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Gene
QUOTE(xuanzang @ Aug 10 2008, 03:03 AM) [snapback]3861960[/snapback]
Well chinese base for nuclear submarines is built on island of hainan, not exactly your backyard is it ? besides the base has been there for years, but western meida recently reported it again as if they never knew it before.

If we want a peaceful solution, then both sides must be prepared to compromise, as far as I read from chinese sources, china and vietnam have decided to co-operate and solve the issues one by one, both sides promised not to take steps to escalate the issue meanwhile. But vietnamese government is now acting against this agreement, it is now actively seeking international oil companies to operate in this area, try to get more countries involved in the issue, it has built an airport there, and upgrading infrastructure on the islands. By taking such actions, vietnamese government is walking down a dangerous path.

I find it funny that so many vietnamese members are so sure of their right, what is right, what is wrong, I donno, what vietnam did to champ people, to cambodia people, were those actions right ? How did vietnam got south vietnam area, by asking original people politely ? In fact, vietnam is no different than china, it takes land from weaker neighbours, as all other big nations did, to cry about 'justice' and 'rightfullness' over those dispute islands is funny at least. If you can take it, it's yours, don't tell me it isn't how vietnam did it too. You call me 'fake', 'hollier than thou' attitude, aren't you the same ? stop playing innocent lamb please.

I read somewhere they're also planing to build military bases and or nuclear bases on the smaller chain of islands. I doubt that China only want the oil, but the whole sea itself.

I wouldn't say the Cham and Khmer were weaklings. I read somewhere the Cham sacked the capital modern day Hanoi a few times. Furthermore, most of the war with Vietnam they started it first. Anyways that's irreverent, What Vietnam did to Cambodian and Cham people was during the bloody age of conquest. Stop using a woman tactic of guilt trip on me, it doesn't work. And stop taking things out of context. We live in a new age, an age where international laws is established. China is a member of the U.N correct? If so international laws stated that you can no longer going around conquering new land. However, your government probably have a another version of history about those islands so lets not go there. Although, deep inside you know those claims are b.s and certainly you know your cases is laughable that is why your government refused to settle it in international court.

There is no such thing as good or evil those are just simply label you give them. If something is bad for you or un-beneficial you label it as evil or bad, if something is beneficial you will label it as good. With that being said, China's move is dishonorable, it's against international laws which China is a member of. China is untrustworthy because she won't take it to international court. I think she's a lair, I don't trust a woman that's lie too much.

I already explain to you why you're a fake peace maker who acts like a saint but support China's ambition. I guess in term of the political manipulative language ;peace means war; Ignorance mean strength; nationalism means bigotry; Compromise means submission. So when you say you want peace you actually want war. When you say you want diplomatic solution you actually mean Vietnam must submit to China's will.

Like I've said, try somebody else. I'm not buying it embarassedlaugh.gif
xuanzang
Well you can think that vietnam owns those island but the reality is both countries have claims on that, and our claim is as strong as yours at least, you can be 100% convinced of your own truth, but it has little value to us.

To be hornest, I think we are starting to repeat ourselves. Let me repeat our points and conclude here:
My points are:
1. Both countries have claims, don't expect china to give in a bit, it's won't happen.
2. This problem can be solved peacefully, or not, it's up to vietnam.
3. Consider current power balance, a non-peaceful solution is probably the worst outcome for vietnam.

Your points are , if I am not mistaken:
1. China is a liar
2. China is dishonorable
3. I am fake because I support china and want peace at same time.

Thank you very much, after all we managed to stay civilized.

QUOTE(Gene @ Aug 10 2008, 11:54 AM) [snapback]3862356[/snapback]
I read somewhere they're also planing to build military bases and or nuclear bases on the smaller chain of islands. I doubt that China only want the oil, but the whole sea itself.

I wouldn't say the Cham and Khmer were weaklings. I read somewhere the Cham sacked the capital modern day Hanoi a few times. Furthermore, most of the war with Vietnam they started it first. Anyways that's irreverent, What Vietnam did to Cambodian and Cham people was during the bloody age of conquest. Stop using a woman tactic of guilt trip on me, it doesn't work. And stop taking things out of context. We live in a new age, an age where international laws is established. China is a member of the U.N correct? If so international laws stated that you can no longer going around conquering new land. However, your government probably have a another version of history about those islands so lets not go there. Although, deep inside you know those claims are b.s and certainly you know your cases is laughable that is why your government refused to settle it in international court.

There is no such thing as good or evil those are just simply label you give them. If something is bad for you or un-beneficial you label it as evil or bad, if something is beneficial you will label it as good. With that being said, China's move is dishonorable, it's against international laws which China is a member of. China is untrustworthy because she won't take it to international court. I think she's a lair, I don't trust a woman that's lie too much.

I already explain to you why you're a fake peace maker who acts like a saint but support China's ambition. I guess in term of the political manipulative language ;peace means war; Ignorance mean strength; nationalism means bigotry; Compromise means submission. So when you say you want peace you actually want war. When you say you want diplomatic solution you actually mean Vietnam must submit to China's will.

Like I've said, try somebody else. I'm not buying it embarassedlaugh.gif

Gene
QUOTE(xuanzang @ Aug 10 2008, 01:25 PM) [snapback]3862457[/snapback]
Well you can think that vietnam owns those island but the reality is both countries have claims on that, and our claim is as strong as yours at least, you can be 100% convinced of your own truth, but it has little value to us.

To be hornest, I think we are starting to repeat ourselves. Let me repeat our points and conclude here:
My points are:
1. Both countries have claims, don't expect china to give in a bit, it's won't happen. (take it to courttttttttttttt)
2. This problem can be solved peacefully, or not, it's up to vietnam. (B.S)
3. Consider current power balance, a non-peaceful solution is probably the worst outcome for vietnam. (sounds like a threat)

Your points are , if I am not mistaken:
1. China is a liar
2. China is dishonorable
3. I am fake because I support china and want peace at same time.

Thank you very much, after all we managed to stay civilized.


I've already explain what I've said. Don't try to downplay it by taking it out of context. embarassedlaugh.gif

It's not up to Vietnam to solve it peacefully. China is the one refusing to settle in court ,instead , she uses intimidation (example: shooting our fishermen), also, military and economic threat. Cut the B.S please. If you believe your government's claim is strong then why not settle it in international court? What are you afraid of?

You're a lousy lair. icon_smile.gif Tricks are for kids, xuanzang, I am an old man.
XigonCongchua
QUOTE(kiengiang @ Aug 10 2008, 01:04 AM) [snapback]3861962[/snapback]
Bé này chắc tưởng ai lên mạng cũng phải viết bài chứng minh cái đúng của ḿnh cái sai của người rồi mới được phát biểu ư kiến chắc ? Những lời khiêu khích như thế cũng chả có si nhê ǵ với tui cả, bé tin cũng được, không tin cũng mặc, ngay cả trên đây có khối ǵ thành viên phát biểu vớ vẫn, tui có mấy khi mà chằm hăm sửa lưng họ hết để chứng minh bản thân ḿnh đúng

nếu bác không có thời gian th́ thôi đừng có đi chửi người ta khỉ khô này khỉ khô nọ ~ tôi thấy những lời phát biểu của Nakata rất make sense mặc dù tôi không đồng ư với cái nh́n bi quan của anh ta, ít ra anh ta đă bỏ ít th́ giờ để đóng góp ư kiến của anh ấy vào vấn đề này. nếu bác không đồng ư th́ nên phân tích nêu ra những cái sai của anh ấy, c̣n nếu bác không có th́ giờ th́ thôi chớ có mà đi chửi người ta.
JazzyQueen


" just copy the chinese people thinking now ....

Some debating from chinese.. for vietnamese. that is funny from chinese forum. The condition for vientamese to get paracel island and 6 islets in spratly.

1] Vietnam will stop signing with US oild company
2] Vietnamese explore oild and sell to Chinese only.
3] Never let US or Russia come back Camranh base.
4] If Chinese and US fighting over taiwan. Don't let US navy using any port to take rest.
5] Do not alliance with Korea, Japan, Phillipine, Thailand, Indonesia to attack China.

If viet can do it than they still our brother. if not we teach them a second lesson.

what a heck................





minhln
QUOTE(JazzyQueen @ Aug 12 2008, 02:17 PM) [snapback]3866322[/snapback]
" just copy the chinese people thinking now ....

Some debating from chinese.. for vietnamese. that is funny from chinese forum. The condition for vientamese to get paracel island and 6 islets in spratly.

1] Vietnam will stop signing with US oild company
2] Vietnamese explore oild and sell to Chinese only.
3] Never let US or Russia come back Camranh base.
4] If Chinese and US fighting over taiwan. Don't let US navy using any port to take rest.
5] Do not alliance with Korea, Japan, Phillipine, Thailand, Indonesia to attack China.

If viet can do it than they still our brother. if not we teach them a second lesson.

what a heck................


It's fine, as long as they pay us the fair price. Just sit and enjoy China fighting with Russia, USA, Korea, Japan, Philippine, Thailand, Indonesia .... But we should keep on building a strong army so we could stab our little brother in the back when we dont need him anymore
FinestAsian
I just heard that Russia is considering coming back to CamRanh bay. Last time they paid about 300 million dollars/year to rent it. Nowaday, they are planning on upgrading all the submarine and warships ports. If China keeps pressing, well, I think we should let somebody keep things in order. Now, let's hear it from the Chinese members here of how they are going to face Russian warships. Now, you can see they start talking about "peace", about "non-violence", especially to someone who have stronger power than they are. They only dare to brag to other smaller countries.
And if I remember it correctly, this is not the first time the Chinese said they want to teach Vietnam a lesson and it was always the other way around.

P.S: I feel crappy reading and writing things like this. Why don't we all talk about something more enlightening.
education
I don't know why everybody here is getting so worked up. For starters no chinese newspaper said that this was obviously false news that was drummed up by a bored little child who wanted to create a rift between us. None of this is actually true for god sakes.
asean.asia
^ Yeah people. Stop believing whatever gets printed or rumored. kiss.gif
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