With the current grumblings and rhetorics i've heard from all sides now that an agreement has been reached, i'm a little bit wary on where could this lead to on my beloved Mindanao.

Several groups has already slammed the MOA between the GRP and the MILF due to the gov't unwillingness to provide a clear picture on what they have agreed upon.

Just now, i received news that the MILF has already taken over on some areas in Cotabato that will be included in the Plebiscite for the expanded ARMM and that the gov't has told them to leave these areas within 24 hours or else they will enforce the law, accoridng to an offical of Malacañang.

Great! They haven't signed anything yet due to the Supreme Courts TRO but it looks like to me trouble will still continue in Mindanao, agreement or not.

MILF Given 24 Hours to leave forcibly taken areas...

Christian Mindanao Up in Arms

GMA want ARMM to be able to separate. But ARMM is being unreasonable wanting more land, much of it occupied by Christians. They don't want to negotiate, they want to fight.

This is why we really need Federalism. We need to look at how the Irish and British where able to attain peace.

ARMM is a gov't entity and it means Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao.

The MILF and the gov't has already forged an agreement. The problem stems from the fact that the GRP has not consulted the people of the areas that is going to be affected although it has to go through yet on a plebiscite whether they want to be included with the ARMM.

One scenario i'm seeing right now is that both GRP and the MILF were both trying to trick each other.

The GRP-MILF MOA even if signed will still be deemed unenforceable as it goes against the constitution so i'm not sure if this will be a prelude to an eventual federalism and a charter change convention.

Some MILF forces has swamped christian dominant areas now which i think is in preparation for the incoming plebiscite to ensure they have the numbers to win and get those areas.

With the current situation right now, i don't think peace will be attainable as some christians are getting wary already and might take up arms against the muslims and the gov't. who they felt sold them out.

maranao can either join visayans(inc tausug) or join malaysia but bisaya also live in areas maranaons also live.....

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you got it wrong...below is more realistic and what might gonna happen. you forgot Manila was once a muslim enclave ruled by rajah sulayman, rajah matanda and rajah lakandula.

the agreement encompasses all ancestral land by the moro people.



the Tausugs are welcome to join the bisayans as we're of the same stock as lapulapu.

it is manila only and greater manila was animist city(namayan) only manila was islam....

what makes you think they're going to be contented with manila only? heck, it's very small decrepit and full of squatters, so taking the whole of Metro Manila makes sense including Malacañang.

well,other parts of metro manila don't belong to the land of the moros only manila...tagalogs are not bangsamoro,either

another conflict is brewing very exciting i hope this will be more action packed than the previous ones.

duh!

the first two post is legit, but after the drawings...i was wondering if this thread should be in serious talk.

yes, i think it would better to move this on the not so serious talk.

majority of the flips here as i have observed would like to talk more about celebrities, hispanic bloodline, kris aquino and what-not. they don't seem to be worried at all or unaware of the serious situation right now in mindanao.

some people here i think will be rejoicing once philippines disintegrate...i wouldn't mind though if us mindanaon breaks away from the republic. we have majority of the resources anyway.

Russia or China might take adavantage of the disintegration.

yes, china will take luzon after they finish with the viets...your lifelong dream will finally materialize of making northern philippines mongoloid.

my area already has a mongoloid majority,one of my grandpas looks like Chang Kai Shek

napalm the whole area where those damn insurgents are holed up

It sickens me why the Philippine government can't afford to educate the poor but spends alot of money and effort in a war with the MILF that has no end.

it's quite easy to make money during war, could be the reason they don't want it to end.

I would prefer if luzon separate from the rest of the philippines and i want that the official languages being english,ilocano and tagalog.

More troubles...
In my opinion, this matter would have been settled way way back, if only MILF won't be so greedy.

the war drum is starting to roll....i think i'm gonna make money here.

Well I hope they come to an agreement. These fu-kin religious fanatics are nothing but idiots. Muslims and Catholic idiots. Religion has brought nothing but violence and ignorance to one another. Its a fu-kin religious difference. People are so dumb and naive to believe these prehistoric beliefs that they kill one another.

Do you know that indonesians are beheading each other because of religion.

Well its all over the world. Dumb people all over.

Problem in the long run there is a religious obligation to grow. Peace was made with MNLF but for some that was not good enough so MILF grew into the opposition. Even if an accomendation with MILF is finally reached I wonder in the far future what will be the name of the new group which demands Manila as their prize in a new cease fire.

They should have never added the Palawan, it doesn't belong to them. The shouldn't take any of Lanao del Norte and Zambuanga.

Why did it even occur with this government to negotiate with MILF? MILF? Come on.

please don't equate to religion every conflict that happens in mindanao. it's about domain and control of the resources.
people in mindanao has been fighting not because of who's got the stronger God or whose belief should be followed, they're one and the same.



i don't know anything abot indonesia but if you were talking about timor, again it's about domain.



religion is just being used by some to justify their actions but is not the real cause and don't worry about manila, it's farthest from their mind.

haven't you ever wondered why it has always been like this?

The government seemed to be being bullied by the MILF and they're sending a hypocritical message?! lol P10 Million bounty on the leaders head but the want to make peace? Passive aggressive is not the way to go.

They should hold a referendum if the majority of the population really wants to separate.

Of course it is, why else would they want the following?

Hence the emphasis on "Muslim" this and that. It's only a religion, either way they're Filipinos like me and you.

If only everyone knew that its the same friggin' Judeo-Christian rubbish they're worshiping.

have you ever been to mindanao? have you stayed even for just a month in muslim dominated place there?

majority of the muslim people in mindanao doesn't even understand what is a muslim. most of them thought it is a race or ethnicity which sadly i have observed also on some ignorant filipino christians.

My aunt w/ her family is from there and currently living in Cagayan De Oro and my gf is there as well and currently visiting Zamboanga and they have told me all their experiences.

Its true, they think their religion is a race or an ethnicity. Just like how the Hutus and Tutsi of Rwanda were fooled by the artificial classification by the Belgians.

Growing up in a strict Roman Catholic family, I thought being Catholic was something very special or that we should put emphasis to our differences to all other religions. Wow, I was a naive fool back then. Judeo-Christian religions has brought nothing but blood shed and more ignorance.

It's true. The reason why there are so many Rebels is because these people don't know anything. They were raised from poor street kids with no direction in life, taken in by the MILF, and indoctrinated in the lies that the Philippines is Evil, oppressing them, attacking them, destroying their culture, and how Osama Bin Laden is a hero and all that $hit.

MILF is only one of the Muslim secessionist groups, but it never occurred to them that instead of training and killing people, that they could up lift their own community and enrich their province by working the land and creating businesses, or asking investments from Muslim countries.

They do get help, btw from Arab countries, and that's how these Rebels are funded. There is no way they could fund themselves without external help. They could have used that funding to build schools and businesses instead of arms and training camps.

These people man, are sick and despicable. They want places that are mostly Christian, which is ridiculous, claiming Ancestral domain sh!t. The tribal peoples of Palawan and Zamboanga don't want to be included in their government.

If they want independence, FINE. But remain in your territory, don't invade North Cotabato, and Lanao Del Norte.

They piss me off so much because the provinces they want ALREADY said they don't want to be part of ARMM and they should respect that.

MILF should have been irradicated. ARMM is poor partly because of MILF who saps all their foreign funding, nobody wants to go to a place that has lots of violent rebels around. Nobody would put a hotel where you could get kidnapped.

I say just cut the existing ARMM off the Philippines.

why don't you secceed bisayans as well,a bisaya republic in visayas and mindanao
btw,i think the best capital for luzon republic is subic.

^ lol you are crazy

Ignorance is a tool they used with their own population.

I don't care if they're Muslims, they should connect with the other non-muslim communities, who cares if it's Christians or Catholics or Buddhist. It's just a religion, they are all Filipinos either way. Mother fu-kers should live in harmony together! I agree that they should invest their effort into building better communities, they want to govern their own territory with what? They lack the skills to do such thing, their people would just fall into deeper poverty and unstable communities.

Any religious extremist should be dismantled. They cause nothing but deaths and violence.

A referendum should be taken if that's what the population wants.

Wait. So you're in favor of granting them lands? Independence? Independence from what?

Let's be clear...

Just because a rebel group wants a piece of land doesn't mean that the government will agree to that. They are rebels. They killed lots of people. They are criminals. We should treat them as that, why give them land? And, are we sure that those living there want to be governed by that group? MILF wants to head their little government. Do the people want them to be their leaders?

MILF is just a bunch of Muslim terrorists. Just wipe them out and there'll be peace in Mindanao.

HAH! no one still guessed what the real score is...




another hint...many moro leaders are very open on having an american presence in mindanao.

Well, I would be fine with letting ARMM be it's own country, as long as we have freedom of the seas in the Moro sea. Just as Singapore and Brunei ceded from Malaysia, and East Timor ceded from Indonesia, I'm cool with ARMM forming it's own country in Mindanao, if that's what the people of ARMM want. However, they cannot expand their territory, because those territories already belong to provinces that do not want to be part of ARMM for example Palawan, Zamboanga, North Cotabato, Lanao del Norte.

The problem arises when MILF crosses the border to claim more territory and endanger our people. Then it's an act of aggression, thus WAR.

I've heard about the MILF since I was young, what IS the MILF?

In California and most of the English speaking world it is "Mothers I'd Like to F*ck". Older generation women still seen as sexy. In the Philippines it is a Muslim group which is attempting to break away from the rest of the nation which rose to power and surplanted the MNLF because they wanted even more then the ability to divorce under sharia or have polygamous marriages after the last go around with MNLF 25 years ago.

Should MILF win in the end there will be another group with a new name call it MALF or IMLF or "we don't stop until the entire world is under submission". But there will be another group. Their faith requires them to sieze political power if they have the strength to do so.

I would have Bikol independent instead! hahaha

BJE-like treaties won't work within the present charter. We need federalism right from the start because we're multi-ethnic.
I really wonder why those guys back in the 1930's didn't think of that.

The problem with that (actually, it's not a problem. Centralists might just steadfastly opposed to it) is that in order to have authentic federalism, we should make our nations independent first before federating.

Do our "federalists" agree to that?

If you need citations, that's not a problem. I have lots of them. What I don't have is a lot of time.
Check out dila.ph and David c. Martinez's book "A Country of Our Own: Partitioning the Philippines"

If people in gov't think the way most people do, then maybe we don't really deserve to fit into one country. In case those Muslims (actually they have very little in common aside from religion. They're actually Tausugs, Maranaos, Maguindanaos, etc.) secede, then I would also like my nation, Bikol, to secede too. If Ilocos and others try to follow our example, then Adios! Patria adorada that never was. So d'ya think it would "Goodbye Philippines"?

nations are temporary,do you know that tagalogs have a high birth rate compared to other ethnic groups in luzon and are increasing and getting a high population,which might destroy other "nations" in luzon,tagalogs are 60+% of the people in luzon area lesser languages are on the losing ground,this thing happened on korea,gradually happening on vietnam and japan,i admit this is a bad thing but this is a part of history,because we live in the same area so it's bound to happen,i think we should teach basic vocubalary and grammar of our languages in school.

i am from mindanao and the province i grew up is very much affected by this conflict. if u ask me, im for all-out-war against MILF. this has been going on since i could remember. they want control of the land that THEY sold to the Christians in the area. they want absolute power in the government. I wouldnt like Muslims to be the head of my local govt. Its like giving all your resources to one family. They drive land cruisers, have big houses in the big cities while their constituents suffer and gets poorer. And only a handful of individuals gets elected. They are all related. Have you visited Maguindanao? i dont want North Cotabato or any other predominantly Christian area to turn out like that. I dont think its about faith. It is about POWER and nothing more.

ironically i bet most people here would be vehemently against chinese rule over tibet but have a whole different set of standards when it comes to mindanao & sabah. for me, i dont care about tibet so all i have to say is: "fu-k em! its our land now!"

we should not allow any dismembership of the philippines. The creation of ARRM is for the moros to be able to have some form of autonomy and not independence. too late now. Mindanao has very rich fertile grounds, rich in natural resources and even possibly oil. it can be the food basket of the country especially it is not in the typhoon path. The conflict in that region is wasting many opportunities and wealth. If reconciliation and peace is finally brokered then that part of the country can bring prosperity to the nation. the government should apply the carot and stick, develop areas that are cooperating and wants peace and destroy the moro rebels who refuse to surrender and continue fighting.

My gf is a refugee from Zamboanga and in year the 2000 her house there was hit by MILF artillery and destroyed it until now she still has war shock.