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MrSparta
The truth strength of the Spartan is the man next to him. Show him honour and respect and it shall be returned to you.

Mongol cowards! I had to say it, fight in the shade ahahahahahahahahahahaha!

We take the brunt of your arrows with our shields and then we SMASH those little arrows off with our spear! Then we FIGHT!

THis is where we FIGHT! THis is where YOU!

DIE!!!!!!!!!!
TooLate2Apologize
Go die
tujue
yeah right lets see what a full heavy cavalry charge would do to your silly shields and spears


lluk
I really imagine who would win in full scale war, Genghis Khan or Alexander the Great?
yhellothar
That's a joke right?

Temujin's horses alone would stomp Alexander's army into the dust
Bor chono
Spartians are too ancient compare to 13th century world.
tujue
^true but i think updated versions of the spartans wouldn't stand a chance

and what about the persian nomads they were in xerxes army they could have penatrated the phalanx
DutchEastIndiesMan
Phalanx aren't very mobile thus making it easy target for Mongolian horseman and archers.
yhellothar
Then again, the Spartans can really take penetration.
tujue
^laugh you sly bastard icon_wink.gif
Bulldogg
Dude you are living in a fantasy and a movie is a movie, like science fiction.

Surely you can't believe that 300 strong men can win any battle, let alone against the whole world with thousands and millions of opposeing strong forces can you?

Oh man, i think you should stop playing your XBox 360 for a while.
SpartanHero
QUOTE(Bulldogg @ Aug 10 2008, 08:10 PM) *
Dude you are living in a fantasy and a movie is a movie, like science fiction.

Surely you can't believe that 300 strong men can win any battle, let alone against the whole world with thousands and millions of opposeing strong forces can you?

Oh man, i think you should stop playing your XBox 360 for a while.


I have fought my entire life arcadian and i never found a warrior who can give me, what we spartans call a beautiful death. With all the armies of the world down there, i wonder if there is one down there who is a worthy adversary.


EEEEEEEEEEEE HIHIHIIHIHIHIHIHIHIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SpartanHero
QUOTE(tujue @ Aug 8 2008, 12:30 AM) *
yeah right lets see what a full heavy cavalry charge would do to your silly shields and spears



YEAH! TURK MAN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR HORSE CHARGING INTO A BARRICADE OF SHIELDS WITH SPEARS PROTRUDING OUT OF THEM! AN IMPREGNABLE WALL OF METAL AND SPEAAAAAAAR!~!!!!! ID LIKE TO SEE YOU CHARGE INTO THAT! TURK MAN!

AND EVEN IF XERXES HAD NOMADS IN HIS ARMY ALEXANDER STILL SMASHED HIS STUPID ARMY INTO THE GROUND!!!!!!

SEE TURK MAN! SEE THE POWER OF THE SPARTAN! MONGOLS NEVER PENETRATE OUR PHALANX! THOSE LITTLE MEN ON LITTLE PONIES GET SMASHED!!!!
SpartanHero
QUOTE(Bulldogg @ Aug 10 2008, 08:10 PM) *
Dude you are living in a fantasy and a movie is a movie, like science fiction.

Surely you can't believe that 300 strong men can win any battle, let alone against the whole world with thousands and millions of opposeing strong forces can you?

Oh man, i think you should stop playing your XBox 360 for a while.



THE LEGEND OF KING LEONIDES IS TRUE DOG MAN!

300 SPARTANS VERSUS MILLIONS OF MILLIONS FROM THE HORDES OF ASIA! FUNNELED INTO A TINY FUNNEL CALLED THE HOT GATES! IN CONDITIONS WHERE THE ENEMY CANNOT DO ANYTHING BUT TAKE THE FULL BRUNT OF THE IMPREGNABLE PHALANX!

THAT BATTLE DOG MAN WAS A FINE EXAMPLE OF WELL PLANNED TERRAIN, SUPERIOR TRAINING AND SUPERIOR FIGHTING! 1 on 1 a PERSIAN DOG WAS NO MATCH FOR THE SPARTAN! EVEN THE PERSIAN SPECIAL FORCES CALLED IMMORTALS WHERE VERY MORTAL WHEN THEY TASTED SPARTAN SPEARS!!!!

WE WERE ONLY DEFEATED DUE TO TREACHERY!!!!! XERXES WAS SO INFURIATED WITH HOW MANY WE SPARTANS HAD KILLED HE HAD LEONIDES BODY MANGLED EVEN AFTER HE WAS KILLED THEN HE STUCK HIS HEAD ONA SPEAR POLE BUT THE MIGHTY SPARTAN HAD DONE SO MUCH DAMAMGE TO THE PERSIAN MORAL THAT EVEN HIS SEVERED HEAD WAS FEARED BY THOSE EFFEMINATE PERSIANS AND THEY FEARED THE HEAD OF THE MIGHTY DEAD KING!!!!


YOU SEE THE POWER OF THE SPARTAN DOG MAN! YOU SEE!

SPARTANS! PREPARE FOR GLORY!
tujue
all that dik up your @$$ must be cutting of teh air to your brain
dude543
Spartans > Genghis Khan

But I wonder how a Roman infantry division would do if they got into that tortoise formation with their shields to cover up from the Mongols' arrows, then slowly advance on them in an organized, civilized fashion.
VAMAN
@MrSparta also made stupid threads in India Chat as well, he should be kicked out of this forum.
Viceversa
MrSparta must the Greek hating the Turks.

Btw, Alexander the Great and Ghenis Khan era is completely off the time frame.
Spearman would have died by the any 13th century archers.
tujue
QUOTE(dude543 @ Aug 11 2008, 10:14 PM) *
Spartans > Genghis Khan

But I wonder how a Roman infantry division would do if they got into that tortoise formation with their shields to cover up from the Mongols' arrows, then slowly advance on them in an organized, civilized fashion.


the arrows would have much or any impact at all but thats when you use heavy cavalry like teh cataphract to penetrate the formation and spread confusion than the archers come in icon_wink.gif


Urud-Undesten
jeez. come to think about it, I am worried about this fella. I hope this guy is just a clueless young boy. If not that's just bullocks for his life
Titanium
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 8 2008, 12:53 AM) *
I really imagine who would win in full scale war, Genghis Khan or Alexander the Great?

Alex is very lucky to have lived a thousand years before Khan because if he had met him battle, he would have surely gotten his @$$ handed to him. Chinghiz would have annihilated Alexander, Caesar and Hannibal simultaneously.
thistime
all mongolian warriors are HEROES
10 HEROES (with Horse) > 10'000 spartan (with sandals) > 300 spartan (with sandals)
SpartanWarrior
QUOTE(thistime @ Aug 16 2008, 02:52 AM) *
all mongolian warriors are HEROES
10 HEROES (with Horse) > 10'000 spartan (with sandals) > 300 spartan (with sandals)


COME ON THEN MONGOLS COME ON AND FIGHT ME! 1 SPARTAN IS WORTH A MILLION MONGOLS! TAKE AWAY YOUR HORSES AND YOU ARE NOTHING!

PREPARE TO DEFEND YOURSELVES!!!!


ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!!!



AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHH!!!!!!!!


DIE DIE DIE YOU MONGOL SCUM!!!!


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
tujue
het cingaling STFU u troll son of a c_nt
Altaic Supremacist
Why is Alexander considered great again? What exactly did he do? If it was just rape and pillage foreign lands, then Genghis did that and a whole lot better, and he isn't exactly called great by the Europeans. Ah, the implicit Western bias is just too hypocritical.

P.S. Tamerlane's soldiers alone would make the Spartan's their b!tches, let alone G.K.
Titanium
True but keep in mind, Alexander did what he did in the 300's BC. At that time, his achievement in conquests was unheard of.
Altaic Supremacist
QUOTE(Titanium @ Aug 18 2008, 02:59 PM) *
True but keep in mind, Alexander did what he did in the 300's BC. At that time, his achievement in conquests was unheard of.


Still doesn't sound that great to me. Most civilizations were kind of primitive back then. In the 13th century, everyone thought huge empires of the Old World were over. Plus, Genghis had to deal with the advanced Chinese and Islamic empires, Hindustan, as well as the Kievan state and European knights. These people were savages in 300 BC while they were quite advanced civilizations by the 13th century, and G.K. whooped them all with just bows, arrows, and horses. I still don't see why Alexander is great.
ProphetMua
QUOTE(Altaic Supremacist @ Aug 18 2008, 04:19 PM) *
Still doesn't sound that great to me. Most civilizations were kind of primitive back then. In the 13th century, everyone thought huge empires of the Old World were over. Plus, Genghis had to deal with the advanced Chinese and Islamic empires, Hindustan, as well as the Kievan state and European knights. These people were savages in 300 BC while they were quite advanced civilizations by the 13th century, and G.K. whooped them all with just bows, arrows, and horses. I still don't see why Alexander is great.


If anything since everyone was more primitive back in Alexanders days it would have been more easier for Alexander to conquer primitive people so what ghenghis khan did was even greater plus he conquered a lot more land and people so im not sure how titaniums logic justifies the bias in that way. Its like how Richard the Lionheart is a 'Lionheart' for what taking 1 or two cities in arabia? GHenghis Khan took 100s of 1000s.

In regards to the inherent bias, its funny you would mention this anti asian bias whilst you claim the only people to defeat mongols where fellow steppe people like mumluks and bulgarians.
While you say this you claim it was the only others where 'pesky' vietnamese and ridiculous japanese who prayed for miracle to happen like there victory of the mongols is something lesser or stupid compared to the bulgarians or egyptians. Egyptian victory over mongols was over an expedition force or small garrison force, it cant really be considereed a victory. I dont know about this bulgarian vicotory over mongols. Vietnamese victory over mongols was absolutet and total, they did it twice against a full army not a small garrison force yet you deride it for being ridiculous drawing on asian derogatory images of small 'pesky' little g@@ks. And with Japanese praying for a miracle, mongol superstituion played a role in thier wars as well, Ghenghis Khan consulted the shaman before decideing whether to go to war with Persia. The Shaman split a bone and decided on whether to go to war on the way it broke!

It really shows when they try to link themselves with Hungarians, Turkish, Bulgarians, Russians (and no they arnt nomads) and try and distance themselves from these inferior little asian weaklings. Tsk tsk even the Hazara mongolians are treated just like chinaman in Afganistan by the Aryan Pastun and Hazara look less ch1nky than pure mongols, mongols have no fans and are despised just like us asians in western lands in Russia. get real.
I notice this bias against asians most in the mongol forum, you being no exception. Its a typical asian trait, i guess mongols are typical asians after all icon_smile.gif Your a fellow ch1ink, deal with it.
Titanium
QUOTE(Altaic Supremacist @ Aug 18 2008, 04:19 PM) *
Still doesn't sound that great to me. Most civilizations were kind of primitive back then.


Not true, around Alexander's time, the Greek city-states were already writing books on philosophy. Hinduism and Buddhism were starting to rise in India as Confucianism and Taoism in China. Not mention the Persian Empire was at that time the largest and most powerful empire in the world and this was after the rise and fall of numerous empires in the Middle East- Babylonian, Egyptian, Hittite, etc. Maybe Western Europe at the time was roaming around in forests and living in huts but a good number of the rest of the world certainly wasn't.

QUOTE(Altaic Supremacist @ Aug 18 2008, 04:19 PM) *
In the 13th century, everyone thought huge empires of the Old World were over. Plus, Genghis had to deal with the advanced Chinese and Islamic empires, Hindustan, as well as the Kievan state and European knights. These people were savages in 300 BC while they were quite advanced civilizations by the 13th century and G.K. whooped them all with just bows, arrows, and horses. I still don't see why Alexander is great.


Nobody is denying that Khan was a far superior conqueror to Alexander and most people unanimously agree that he would have whooped his @$$ in the battlefield but that's not really the issue here. Alexander's conquest of the Persian Empire was an unmatched feat for his time. He too had to deal with the most powerful empire of his heyday. Not to mention, the Persian Empire was unified unlike most of the territory that the Mongols conquered, just food for thought.

Also:

QUOTE(Altaic Supremacist @ Aug 18 2008, 04:19 PM) *
and G.K. whooped them all with just bows, arrows, and horses. I still don't see why Alexander is great.


That's not true at all, the Mongols learned to adapt the military technology of the conquered territories, mostly done by exploiting defectors. It's was not just bows arrows and horses like most people assume, they also acquired and used siege technology. Hell they even used actual defective combatants.
Altaic Supremacist
QUOTE(ProphetMua @ Aug 18 2008, 07:19 PM) *
If anything since everyone was more primitive back in Alexanders days it would have been more easier for Alexander to conquer primitive people so what ghenghis khan did was even greater plus he conquered a lot more land and people so im not sure how titaniums logic justifies the bias in that way. Its like how Richard the Lionheart is a 'Lionheart' for what taking 1 or two cities in arabia? GHenghis Khan took 100s of 1000s.

In regards to the inherent bias, its funny you would mention this anti asian bias whilst you claim the only people to defeat mongols where fellow steppe people like mumluks and bulgarians.
While you say this you claim it was the only others where 'pesky' vietnamese and ridiculous japanese who prayed for miracle to happen like there victory of the mongols is something lesser or stupid compared to the bulgarians or egyptians. Egyptian victory over mongols was over an expedition force or small garrison force, it cant really be considereed a victory. I dont know about this bulgarian vicotory over mongols. Vietnamese victory over mongols was absolutet and total, they did it twice against a full army not a small garrison force yet you deride it for being ridiculous drawing on asian derogatory images of small 'pesky' little g@@ks. And with Japanese praying for a miracle, mongol superstituion played a role in thier wars as well, Ghenghis Khan consulted the shaman before decideing whether to go to war with Persia. The Shaman split a bone and decided on whether to go to war on the way it broke!

It really shows when they try to link themselves with Hungarians, Turkish, Bulgarians, Russians (and no they arnt nomads) and try and distance themselves from these inferior little asian weaklings. Tsk tsk even the Hazara mongolians are treated just like chinaman in Afganistan by the Aryan Pastun and Hazara look less ch1nky than pure mongols, mongols have no fans and are despised just like us asians in western lands in Russia. get real.
I notice this bias against asians most in the mongol forum, you being no exception. Its a typical asian trait, i guess mongols are typical asians after all icon_smile.gif Your a fellow ch1ink, deal with it.


Alright, you little East Asian runt, I never claimed brotherhood with those Slavic beasts of the Russians or Hungarians. And definitely no brotherhood with the smelly Arabish Turks either. I always felt brotherhood among Mongolic peoples like the Oirats and the Buryats, etc. Also I feel compassion for the Altaic Siberians of the Russian Far East like the Yakuts, Chuckis, and Tuvans. And to a lesser extent with the Central ASIATIC people of Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, with many of those people looking exactly like Mongolians. See, people who really have brotherhood can tell each others ethnicity being that its Kazaks, Mongol, Yakut, whatever. Unlike an East Asian runt like you, they don't automatically assume every Mongol is a Chinese or looks like one. Plus, the East Asian culture is too subservient, too docile, too weak to be compatible with Mongolians or other Central Asians. Our culture is a warrior culture, not a long fingernailed, scroll toting Confucian one.

And plus tell me how it is anti-Asian bias when I credit the Bulgarians and Mamelukes but not the Japanese or Vietnamese. Those people were Asian too and were originally Asiatic since they left the step. Just because they changed doesn't eliminate the fact that their ancestors were indeed the same Central Asian people from our steppes as well. So error on your part for insinuating anti-Asian bias. Maybe non-Central Asian bias, but not anti-Asian.
tujue
Those smelly "Arabic" Turks had more empires than any Central Asians Combined and for a far longer periode
Dervish
QUOTE(Altaic Supremacist @ Aug 19 2008, 11:01 PM) *
Alright, you little East Asian runt, I never claimed brotherhood with those Slavic beasts of the Russians or Hungarians. And definitely no brotherhood with the smelly Arabish Turks either. I always felt brotherhood among Mongolic peoples like the Oirats and the Buryats, etc. Also I feel compassion for the Altaic Siberians of the Russian Far East like the Yakuts, Chuckis, and Tuvans. And to a lesser extent with the Central ASIATIC people of Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, with many of those people looking exactly like Mongolians. See, people who really have brotherhood can tell each others ethnicity being that its Kazaks, Mongol, Yakut, whatever. Unlike an East Asian runt like you, they don't automatically assume every Mongol is a Chinese or looks like one. Plus, the East Asian culture is too subservient, too docile, too weak to be compatible with Mongolians or other Central Asians. Our culture is a warrior culture, not a long fingernailed, scroll toting Confucian one.
And plus tell me how it is anti-Asian bias when I credit the Bulgarians and Mamelukes but not the Japanese or Vietnamese. Those people were Asian too and were originally Asiatic since they left the step. Just because they changed doesn't eliminate the fact that their ancestors were indeed the same Central Asian people from our steppes as well. So error on your part for insinuating anti-Asian bias. Maybe non-Central Asian bias, but not anti-Asian.



What a tool embarassedlaugh.gif
dude543
alexander was great because he spread hellenstic western culture and thinking.

genghis khan just killed a bunch of ppl
yhellothar
QUOTE
These people were savages in 300 BC


Nope, China has been civilized since 3,000 BC.

QUOTE
Mongolians or other Central Asians


Should I crush your dreams with some geography lessons or maybe a few genetic studies?
JohnnyReb
QUOTE(Dervish @ Aug 20 2008, 09:26 PM) *
What a tool embarassedlaugh.gif


I love how this guy complains about a Western-bias while he consistently craps on other Asian people and refuses to be considered Asian. A tool indeed! embarassedlaugh.gif
Eastern_Knight
QUOTE(dude543 @ Aug 21 2008, 01:05 PM) *
alexander was great because he spread hellenstic western culture and thinking.

genghis khan just killed a bunch of ppl


The Mongols established the first true West-Far East contacts, stimulated the Silk road trade, allowed the West to gain Asian technology (which was obviously bad for us) the Mongol empire made Moscow the center of Russia as opposed to Kiev in modern-day Ukraine among other things. Alexander the great wasn't a man who was interested in spreading western thinking he was interested in conquest, spreading Greek culture wasn't is intention, in fact he became rather comfortable with Persian way of living
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Edit: the Mongols also introduced Asian culture and technology to The West and started the renaissance, ideas such as political immunity, freedom of religion etc all came from the Mongol Empire. It ended European isolation and reintroduced mainstream civlization which the west had lost since the fall of Rome.
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