I was watching the 2008 Olympic opening ceremony and a thought about something... Wouldn't be so cool if the Hmong had a country and we were represented in the Olympics! b-thumbup

I was also wondering, are there any Chinese-Hmong competing in the Olympics? Hmmm, gonna have to go research that one. What about Laos/Thailand? Are there any ethnic Hmong competing for those countries? Any other thoughts folks?

ayouduo has the olympic torch...she's a famous, hmoob chinese singer in China...most famous for her madarin music..

i don't know how it got in her hands...but there is a chance of her singing there.

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China tonight was represented by all its 56 ethnic groups, including Miao (Hmongs). There was a Miao child among the 56 proudly singing the Chinese anthem and saluting the Chinese flag for the world to see.

She is one of the most beautiful women to ever represent Hmong culture.

That will never happen. You need to represent a country to participate in the olympics. I never heard of any hmong people participated. you can be hmong here in the United States but even though if you compete you still will have to represent America. remember, hmong is not a country. due to past history and war within southeast asia. the couuntry of Laos will never let you represent Lao, as well as the Thais. You might as well work reall hard to represent the USA for the next olympic which will be in about another four years.

Did you see all the dancing Miaos with all the other Chinese ethnic minorities during the ceremony?

I wonder if there was ever a hmong participant for Guyana...how crazy would that be

Here's a Miao Chinese who won gold in weightlifting.

http://results.beijing2008.cn/WRM/ENG/BIO/.../9/241639.shtml

Who was the Miao child singing?

Speaking about crazy thoughts........

This may be a little off topic but I gotta say it. On this planet, Hmong people will probably never have their own country. But if we Hmong are smart, we will keep our bloodline pure and wait for the day that interstellar travel will be possible. Maybe in a few hundred years, we can move to a different planet and create our own society there.

The only fear is that Hmong people will be absorbed into the American melting pot and no longer exist.

Just my crazy thoughts.....

if isolated in ur own planet wouldn't hmong seperate into other races based on the climate of that planet

just a thought

No because of modernization and techonology.

stem cell and test tube babies???

you can't hold back evolution

unless u believe in organized religion of course

Haha, Hmong New Years On Mars

Yeah, we all know the chances of establishing a Hmong country is near impossible. That wasn't my intention. I only brought up this topic because it was an interesting thought... maybe one day we'll get to see a American Hmong athlete compete in the world arena. I know there have been some popular athletes who have come from Hmong decent. But, I didn't know of any who competed in the Olympics.

Interesting post about the Chinese Miao weight lifter. I didn't know he was Miao. Can you confirm this? Is it because of his name? I saw him on the other day too. That's one strong asian dude. I found and article about him...

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WOW!
Now that's determination. Props to our Hmong brother for working so hard. Can you imagine that? One day you're picking up bottles at the olympics. Another day you're competing and you win a Gold medal.


On the topic of Hmong on Mars, that would be interesting. New Years would come quicker, because Mars circulates around the Sun faster, making the seasons slightly shorter. Plus, if we ever competed in the Olympics on Mars, we'd have different competitions. Like moon jumping and antigravity space swimming.

When you talk about a country... it doesn't belong to anyone. It belongs to the rich and powerful. Don't mistaken that we Hmong don't have a country. We do. Think about it eventhough we do have a country. It is not going to be called "Hmongland" or some sort. The world Hmong is not going to be part of the name. Because it is not smartest idea to do that.

For instance, Thailand. The ruler ethnic in Thailand is the Siamese. The majority of thai population is the lao/thai ethnic. The Siamese are smart so they call their country "Thailand" so the Lao/thai majority ethnic thought it is their own country.

My point is we are all human being. As long as you can get to the top and become the most powerful man of that land, that country is yours.

I hope you all can understand my point.

O cool, so i can claim all the ethnic Lao-Tai ppl of SOuthern China who are with the Chinese olympic team, and also most of the Thai athletes because the majority of their athletes are ethnic Lao-Tai.

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Lao can only claim for Lao or ethnic Lao in China which unfortunately doesnt exist, Zhuang, Li, Bai, etc2 are not ethnic Lao. Do you see german people claiming italy's medal achievement because Lombard are 'Germanic' or India claiming British's medal because they are Indo-European. No such thing as ethnic Tai, Zhuang doesnt want to be with Laos or else there will be mass migration to Laos by Zhuang.

no $hitt dumbarse, lolzzz

im talking about the ethnic ppl who are in relation to my ppl, as those who live Sipsongpanna, the ppl in Northwestern Vietnam, the ones in NOthern Thailand, as well as the ones who live in central thailand and the ones in Northeastern Thailand. Some of us stayed in China while the ones that sought independence migrated South into Laos and Thailand. Thats one of the main purpose of some of us migrating down to SEA. whether u call them the Zhuang, the Li, the Bai, You call them whatever you want to call them. We just call ourselves the Lao who migrated and live in what is today Laos, who were the AiLao, as the ppl who are our "pi-nong" or ethnic family that call themselves the Shan in Burma.

im sure the Miao in China want to migrate and join with the Hmong ppl in Laos. lolzzzz,

Well they can, but they dont want to why migrate from 2nd world country to 3rd world country ? what will they eay ? dust and stones ? Same for Zhuang and Li, they will migrate if they want it, changing citizenship is easy in China and people can travel anywhere except tibetans and uighur I guess. By your sense the Germans can claim english, scandinavian, dutch, belgian, flanders, frisian, austrian, northern italy and france as 'their people - ethnic germanic' because they stay in 'Germania' and the other sought independence and migrated elsewhere.

Some individuals have nothing to be proud of themselves so they like claiming things from other countries/cultures Insecurity and inferiority complex.

(BTW I'm not talking about Hmong people )

Why would they want to escape from their own ppl, they merely expanded into other regions. as far as I know, Germania or Germany has German ppl and is dominated by Germanic ppl. If there is someone of Germanic lineage who wants to be proud or be associated with their Germanic roots, so be it dumbarse. just as several US athletes are playing for German teams because their great great grandparents were German immigrants.

Just as when John Kennedy ran for president, All of Ireland celebrated. So when did their Irish family move to America? since many generations. as well If Obama becomes president, All of Nigeria will be celebrating. Not to hard to understand.

speaking of ugly chicks, if u know how to read, Hmong were being proud of certain Miao athletes who were on the Chinese Olympic team,

I pointed out that it would be the same as if Lao ppl would be proud with their ethnic ppl of china also who are on the Chinese Olympic team.

Then again, I understand ur a Retard XigonCongchua kee lae,

Learn How to READ, dont be such a stupidarse maybe next time u can make an informed comment freak.

Why would great britain declare war with the german third reich ? Why would charlemagne declare war with the visigoth ? Why would the Lombard of venezia declare war with the osterreich austrian ? Why England, France, German and scandinavian country + all germanic states do not merge into one great country called Germania or Aigermania whatever

Its not so hard to understand, why shouldnt the chinese and the bamar of myanmar merge together as one country, afterall they
are all sino-tibetan ethnic. The burmese even have the word pauk hpaw (siblings) for tibetan and chinese. Is it hard to understand that they are different ethnic united by 'western classification of language family'. Do you even understand zhuang ?

@Manleow: Hmong is a different case because they are THE SAME ETHNIC as the Miao in China Your Lao ethnic is not the same as the Zhuang ethnic of China. Simple concept. Why is it so hard to understand?

Who claimed Zhuang retard, U better talk to darkblade about that one, he implied that th Zhuang are the same ethnic as the Lao.

Like i said, Learn how to read.

I was claiming whoever in the general sense of the ppl in China who are ethnicly the same as the Lao in Laos.

ur a Freak xigonkingkong. The Lao of Laos and the ppl in SisongPanna are a lot closer then the Hmong in Laos and the Miao in China who live up towards Nothern part of China along the Yellow river, who are more asimulated to Han culture then the ppl of Sipsongpanna. just geographicly, it should be obvious

then again, ur stupid, i understand. lolzzzzz

Manleow read your post again. Apparently you didn't just claim the Lao ethnic but also the Tai ethnic in Northwest Vietnam, the Zhuang, Bai, Li ethnic in Southern China.

Freak, Learn How To READ. If u didnt read, I said, WHoever DarkBlade wants to say.

"You call them whatever you want to call them."

I mention Nothing about No Zhuang or African or Mexican. Darkblade brought up all those groups of ppl., I told him He can call them (Whoever is ethnicly the same as the Lao in Laos) by any name he wants to call them. U understand now

Why do i have to explain everything to you.

Try reading more carefully and learn for urself before u make stupid comments kingkong.

We human all came from the same family. Because of lack of connection each group of people's language and characteristic change over time. But since we are living in a small world with the pace we are moving now, we are again becoming a family again. Ethnicity will soon dissappear. Laos will not be completely Laos. Vietnam will not be completely Vietnam. The name of the country will remain but the people will not.

lolzzz, Ok buddy, until that times comes, GO LAOS!!!
or GO USA!!!

there are Miao(hmong) in china that participated in the ceremony... ^_______________________________^

why do we worry so much? our relatives in China are happy being part of china...

Ok,leave China,then you could have your own country!

Everyone is so hostile. Relax folks

I don't even know how this turned into a RACE/COUNTRY/CULTURE debate???
All I wanted to know was if there were any Miao competing in the olympics... sheesh Somehow someone went way off track here. Started crying about how we'll never have a country and then went off topic into some random debate about Laotions vs. Chinese? LOL


Something that has surprised me though... China is pretty dominant in the 2008 Olympics. Probably because they have a home-court advantage. They probably worked their butts off in the past 4 years too. USA needs to pick up the pace if we want to catch up with the Gold medals.

If Obama can be the president of the United States of America, then sure we are not too far from it. Not in our life time but for sure it will be some day.

The Hmong would totally dominate in volleyball and tennis. I would like to see that.

That'll never happen unless Hmongs produce kids to be 6'5 and above on a consistent basis as far as volleyball.

true

most Hmongs are just too short & stocky to compete with those tall volley ball team players in the Olympics

theres always weightlifting...

Are you sure about that Mr. Chinese historian? Make sure you know what you're talking about before open your mouth.

Lao Lanxang kingdom extended to all Sipsongpanna in Yunnan Southern China.



The French divided and gave parts of our land to all neighboring countries. Of all the countries, Thailand got most of it. But still, whether my people is in Thailand, China, Cambodia, Vietnam, or Burma, their still my people and I'll be damn if I let anyone tell me otherwise.

then they are more than welcomed to leave xishuangbanna or the laos army can try to invade yunnan and take it back from us. We got yunnan area from ming dynasty its 700 years since invasion of yunnan and southern minorities are more than welcome to migrate to another countries.

Here is the list of ethnic in xishuangbanna:

Dai
Han
Hani
Yi
Lahu
Blang
Jino
Yao
Miao
Bai
Hui
Va
Zhuang

And keep in mind hui, han, dai, yi and bai people are sino-tibetan. Dai recognize themself as dai instead of lao, and they are and eligible to travel outside the country and change citizenship unlike the tibetans or uighurs. Wonder why they still stay there instead of moving to laos ?

Dude, don't try to be a smart @$$. I was responding to your previous post when you said that there are not ethnic Lao in Southern China. Lue are ethnic Lao people and you forgot to mentioned them. This lady is a Lue singing an old Lao classic song. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-6xPFOEx0V4 At 1:10, You still see our old Lao Lanxang kingdom 3 headed Elephant symbol.

The Han Chinese never really capture Southern China until the Mongols conquered all of China....

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well thats true though we do not attack dali during tang or song dynasty, but they still identify themself as 'Dai' not 老挝 (lao wo) people, we did not pick names for them they identify themself as Dai instead of lao wo/lao.

eh Don't blame it to the French. Đại Việt and Siam had been taking Lao land way before the French came along. Actually you should thanks the French for returning to Lao some land that the Thai and Viet took from Lao.

Thank the French for dividing Laos? Are you nuts? The Siamese only started taking parts of Laos in the 1700s when Lao Lanxang broke into 3 warring kingdoms. Before that, the Vietnamese or the Siamese never took any of our lands.

And the French only arrived in late 1800s If they didn't arrive, the country would have been finished up by Siam and Dai Viet.

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I doubt it. Lao people would eventually broken free from Siam or Vietnam. Just like the Chinese broke free from the Japanese occupation during WWII.

Look at South Vietnam. If it wasn't for the support from Communist China and the Soviet Union, you think North Vietnam would have taken control over South Vietnam?

^ LOL South Vietnam got lots of support from the USA and its allies too. The USA and their allies actually sent well-trained troops equipped with superior weapons to South Vietnam to fight the war while North Vietnam only get some weapons from Russia and China which were far inferior than US weapons, yet they still managed to win the war.

But that has nothing to do with what we were talking about. My point was: you guys kept moaning about the French taking your land but in fact that French actually saved you guys from the Thai and the Vietnamese. Yes, some Laotian would have rebelled but the Lao country as a whole would have been smaller than its size today.

You think North Vietnam would have taken over South Vietnam hadn't the U.S. left Indo-China? LOL Stop fooling yourself. If it was direct war between North Vietnam and the U.S., it would have been a different story. How many Vietnamese soldiers died? Over 1 million or something?

Either way you look at it, the French did us wrong by giving more than half our territory to Thailand. If Vietnam or Thailand would have taken over our land, sooner or later our people would break free from it.

Just look at the American colonies who broke free from England(who at the time was a world super power).

chinese havent been occupied 'completely' by japan, not even half of her, different case for that. Did you see uighurs or tibetans breaking free from china right now ? Its almost impossible without 'foreign' interference. BTW there are no such thing as lue zu (ethnic lue) in china and laos are called laowo and laowo ren/laozu for 'lao people', Dai is the 'lue' you mentioned but they consider themself dai instead of laozu or laowo ren (lao people).