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lluk
Some you probably have heard or read about the Spanish basketball teams (men and women) posing with slanted-eye gestures in China?

I am sure they meant this for all Asians. I know some Pinay/Pinoy like to claim Spaniard ancestry. Good luck. Even Americans and Brits. called out their deep rooted racism.
Suzuka00
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 16 2008, 02:03 AM) [snapback]3873405[/snapback]
Some you probably have heard or read about the Spanish basketball teams (men and women) posing with slanted-eye gestures in China?

I am sure they meant this for all Asians. I know some Pinay/Pinoy like to claim Spaniard ancestry. Good luck. Even Americans and Brits. called out their deep rooted racism.

majority of spanish don't like asians especially se asians who they treat like slaves,eversince they always call them g@@ks,indio,
I think a best way to humiliate them is for many asians esp,SE Asian to migrate to spain and marry spanish women so that they have more asian blood.
lluk
There are Chinese, Chinese-Cubans and Filipino communities in Spain. And, Mexican/Central Americans too. Along with Arabs, all these communities get harassed on and taunted every day in Spain.

I will visit Spain someday and test them out.
redhorse
i've never liked them spanish d!ckheads anyway.
there has been too many "racial incidents" lately in spain especially towards blacks (and now asians) to regard it as mere isolated incidents.
i really don't know what make these people feel they are 'above' other people. confused.gif

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/7225523.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4024167.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/4751876.stm
salamat
QUOTE(redhorse @ Aug 16 2008, 04:47 AM) [snapback]3873499[/snapback]
i've never liked them spanish d!ckheads anyway.
there has been too many "racial incidents" lately in spain especially towards blacks (and now asians) to regard it as mere isolated incidents.
i really don't know what make these people feel they are 'above' other people. confused.gif

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/7225523.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4024167.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/4751876.stm


because their country was pwned and dominated by africans(the moors).
Mexicans r the same way too.
DivadNhoj
Team USA handed their asses to them so I wouldn't fret too much about the picture.
ham_let
The fu-k is "good luck" supposed to mean?

(I am not Spanish BTW LOL)
DivadNhoj
QUOTE(ham_let @ Aug 16 2008, 11:47 AM) [snapback]3873879[/snapback]
The fu-k is "good luck" supposed to mean?


Psssh. Pau Gasol and crew could've used that good luck.
JMAC
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 16 2008, 05:33 AM) [snapback]3873490[/snapback]
There are Chinese, Chinese-Cubans and Filipino communities in Spain. And, Mexican/Central Americans too. Along with Arabs, all these communities get harassed on and taunted every day in Spain.

I will visit Spain someday and test them out.

Bring a bat biggrin.gif
ham_let
JMAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pogpog
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 16 2008, 11:03 AM) [snapback]3873405[/snapback]
Some you probably have heard or read about the Spanish basketball teams (men and women) posing with slanted-eye gestures in China?

I am sure they meant this for all Asians. I know some Pinay/Pinoy like to claim Spaniard ancestry. Good luck. Even Americans and Brits. called out their deep rooted racism.



i'm spanish. now what?
JMAC
QUOTE(ham_let @ Aug 16 2008, 12:56 PM) [snapback]3873892[/snapback]
JMAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hameo, did u post pics from your sex excursion trip?


Pogpog
^^^

yeah hamlet, where are the nekkid pics? biggrin.gif
JakeCutter
QUOTE(salamat @ Aug 16 2008, 03:53 AM) [snapback]3873550[/snapback]
because their country was pwned and dominated by africans(the moors).
Mexicans r the same way too.


Mexicans were never pwned by Africans.
islander
It was rude what they did. They should have know better. Just to let you know this was to have been a publicity photo. Seems one of there olympic sponsors is a messenger delivery company. That company wanted that photo for advertisement it seems. They never gave the name of that messenger delivery company in Spain.


As for foreigners in Spain I think some might not have a chance. Sometimes you have to go back and see a nations history to see why many of its people are a certain way. In Spains case there has always been alot of infighting between themselves. Left against left. Right against right. Left and right against each other. Then we must include monarchy and anarchy against each other and the others. Castillian nationalists, Basque nationalists, Catalonian nationalist, Asturian nationalist and Galecian nationalist against each other in one way or another. Then in 1936 the Spanish Civil War in which 500000 got eliminated. Foreign nations like Russia, Germany and Italy were involved but the Iberians are the ones who got there nation totally destroyed.

Going back even further the Visigoths in Spain use to also be infighting among themselves. The Iberians usually got together when they were fighting a common enemy like the Moors or during the fight against Napeleon after he conquered much of Spain. When they had no enemy knocking they fought themselves in one way or another. Even the Moors later on in Spain were fighting themselves.

Being invaded over the centuries does not help. Also, Spain has been mainly a nation of emigres not immigrants. Things have always been tough there. All of this could explain hostility by some against foreigners. I think culture could play into this. Southern Europeans are said to be more, "tell it to your face" while Northern Europeans are more laid back and will tell it to your back.
Could a european person here verify that.

But that is really no excuse for being rude to people in these modern times.

Side note: Once on a chat a Catalonian got mad because I made a comment about how the Spaniards were always whining about Franco and his dicatorship that ran from 1939 to 1975. He felt offended. Saying it was the worse thing that happened to them and so on. The way he was saying it was like they were the number one most suffered people of the world. I did not argue with him but what about Spains over 400 years of colonialism. Spain only suffered 36 years while the natives and Creoles under Spains colonialism had to endure it under much much worse conditions for over 400 years. At least the Spaniards had tv and supermarkets.

And no I am not Spanish. laugh.gif
DivadNhoj
JakeCutter
That's why Lapu Lapu was such a badáss. I like these pictures too:



Najjiah
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 16 2008, 12:03 AM) [snapback]3873405[/snapback]
Some you probably have heard or read about the Spanish basketball teams (men and women) posing with slanted-eye gestures in China?

I am sure they meant this for all Asians. I know some Pinay/Pinoy like to claim Spaniard ancestry. Good luck. Even Americans and Brits. called out their deep rooted racism.

who really gives a $hit. even the peeps over @ S00mp33 are loling this whole thing. and they r all asian in there & they dont give a flying fu-k. only on here af they do. the spanish can do anything they want as long as they dont mess wit me, im ok wit it.
DivadNhoj
QUOTE(Najjiah @ Aug 16 2008, 03:45 PM) [snapback]3874202[/snapback]
who really gives a $hit. even the peeps over @ S00mp33 are loling this whole thing. and they r all asian in there & they dont give a flying fu-k. only on here af they do. the spanish can do anything they want as long as they dont mess wit me, im ok wit it.


You need to read the poem, "First They Came." It's obvious you're so in love with being ignorant.
MandingJinZhanShi
QUOTE(DivadNhoj @ Aug 16 2008, 05:05 PM) [snapback]3874220[/snapback]
You need to read the poem, "First They Came." It's obvious you're so in love with being ignorant.


if you base your decisions on a poem some made then you are the one with issues
Najjiah
QUOTE(MandingJinZhanShi @ Aug 16 2008, 02:09 PM) [snapback]3874225[/snapback]
if you base your decisions on a poem some made then you are the one with issues

LMAO! true. dude is an @$$ clown. lololz!
salamat
QUOTE(JakeCutter @ Aug 16 2008, 01:50 PM) [snapback]3874051[/snapback]
Mexicans were never pwned by Africans.


The Olmecs of Mexico were really africans who migrated to Mexico
but anyway im just saying they have the same racist attitude as their daddy spain
they hate black people, especially the hard working ones who make something of themselves
they have the same view towards asians as well
MandingJinZhanShi
QUOTE(salamat @ Aug 16 2008, 05:50 PM) [snapback]3874255[/snapback]
The Olmecs of Mexico were really africans who migrated to Mexico
but anyway im just saying they have the same racist attitude as their daddy spain
they hate black people, especially the hard working ones who make something of themselves
they have the same view towards asians as well


some say the mexican indians were black egyptians
islander
^Do not tell that to a Mexican. laugh.gif

In Mexico they have always tended to dislike all foreigners. Just read there constitution. Could be due to the French and US invasions after independence.

QUOTE
Mexico's constitution contains many provisions to protect the country from foreigners, including foreigners legally resident in the country and even foreign-born people who have become naturalized Mexican citizens.


QUOTE
Immigrants and foreign visitors are banned from public political discourse.

- Immigrants and foreigners are denied certain basic property rights.

- Immigrants are denied equal employment rights.

- Immigrants and naturalized citizens will never be treated as real Mexican citizens.

- Immigrants and naturalized citizens are not to be trusted in public service.

- Immigrants and naturalized citizens may never become members of the clergy.

- Private citizens may make citizens arrests of lawbreakers (i.e., illegal immigrants) and hand them to the authorities.

- Immigrants may be expelled from Mexico for any reason and without due process.


This will give you more detail: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1608703/posts

JakeCutter
QUOTE(salamat @ Aug 16 2008, 02:50 PM) [snapback]3874255[/snapback]
The Olmecs of Mexico were really africans who migrated to Mexico
but anyway im just saying they have the same racist attitude as their daddy spain
they hate black people, especially the hard working ones who make something of themselves
they have the same view towards asians as well



QUOTE(MandingJinZhanShi @ Aug 16 2008, 03:11 PM) [snapback]3874270[/snapback]
some say the mexican indians were black egyptians


gtfo afrocentrists
salamat
QUOTE(islander @ Aug 16 2008, 05:23 PM) [snapback]3874288[/snapback]
^Do not tell that to a Mexican. laugh.gif

In Mexico they have always tended to dislike all foreigners. Just read there constitution. Could be due to the French and US invasions after independence.
This will give you more detail: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1608703/posts


QUOTE
Private citizens may make citizens arrests of lawbreakers (i.e., illegal immigrants) and hand them to the authorities.


oh the irony embarassedlaugh.gif

hey Jake Cutter...who r u the spokesperson for Aztlan/ Mecha embarassedlaugh.gif
JakeCutter
More like the spokesperson for reason and common sense.
salamat
QUOTE(JakeCutter @ Aug 16 2008, 05:48 PM) [snapback]3874320[/snapback]
More like the spokesperson for reason and common sense.


According to studies and research conducted by Clyde Winters, the Olmecs were Africans from the Mandinka region of West Africa. They used the Mende script to write and they spoke the Mende language, the same language spoken by Cinque in the movie 'Amistad'.

The Mende script found on monuments at Monte Alban in Mexico, has been deciphered and it was found to be identical to the Mende script used in West Africa. Afterwards, the language was found to be the very same language spoken by the Mende of West Africa.

http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/04022002.htm
JakeCutter
QUOTE(salamat @ Aug 16 2008, 03:51 PM) [snapback]3874332[/snapback]
According to studies and research conducted by Clyde Winters, the Olmecs were Africans from the Mandinka region of West Africa. They used the Mende script to write and they spoke the Mende language, the same language spoken by Cinque in the movie 'Amistad'.

The Mende script found on monuments at Monte Alban in Mexico, has been deciphered and it was found to be identical to the Mende script used in West Africa. Afterwards, the language was found to be the very same language spoken by the Mende of West Africa.

http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/04022002.htm


Sorry, I've heard the same story hundreds of times before, and it won't fly this time. Where did these mysterious Olmecs go when the Spanish invaded? Did they just disappear? I think other tribes/Spaniards would have mentioned them at least once, but I haven't heard of such discoveries. You're starting to sound like a real afrocentrist. So you must know of how Africans invented mathematics, writing,martial arts, and the first hover cars (which they used to travel across the continents, before the white man destroyed their idea and invented airplanes)? Of course you know, you've been reading up on your history using only the most accurate sources on the net.
salamat
QUOTE(JakeCutter @ Aug 16 2008, 06:00 PM) [snapback]3874351[/snapback]
Sorry, I've heard the same story hundreds of times before, and it won't fly this time. Where did these mysterious Olmecs go when the Spanish invaded? Did they just disappear? I think other tribes/Spaniards would have mentioned them at least once, but I haven't heard of such discoveries. You're starting to sound like a real afrocentrist. So you must know of how Africans invented mathematics, writing,martial arts, and the first hover cars (which they used to travel across the continents, before the white man destroyed their idea and invented airplanes)? Of course you know, you've been reading up on your history using only the most accurate sources on the net.


Mexico likes to deny that black people live within their country.
JakeCutter
QUOTE(salamat @ Aug 16 2008, 04:22 PM) [snapback]3874397[/snapback]
Mexico likes to deny that black people live within their country.


Black people DO live in Mexico. They're descendants of the slaves brought to the new world.

Since you believe "egyptians" lived in Mexico, you must also believe this theory on Asians too:

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...=157385&hl=
salamat
QUOTE(JakeCutter @ Aug 16 2008, 06:26 PM) [snapback]3874403[/snapback]
Black people DO live in Mexico. They're descendants of the slaves brought to the new world.


no...the olmecs


salamat
QUOTE(JakeCutter @ Aug 16 2008, 06:26 PM) [snapback]3874403[/snapback]
Black people DO live in Mexico. They're descendants of the slaves brought to the new world.

Since you believe "egyptians" lived in Mexico, you must also believe this theory on Asians too:

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...=157385&hl=


not the egyptians but west africans lived in mexico.
as for asia...i think not
JakeCutter
Why not? It's the same thing, essentially. And for the millionth time, the Olmec theory hasn't been proven yet. That means it's not a fact. Only foolish afrocentrists keep on trying to convince the world it is, and everyone who doesn't accept it is either 1) a eurocentrist or 2) brainwashed. My question is: Why would a Filipino argue so passionately over something so small? It has nothing to do with you guys.
salamat
QUOTE(JakeCutter @ Aug 16 2008, 06:41 PM) [snapback]3874430[/snapback]
Why not? It's the same thing, essentially. And for the millionth time, the Olmec theory hasn't been proven yet. That means it's not a fact. Only foolish afrocentrists keep on trying to convince the world it is, and everyone who doesn't accept it is either a 1) eurocentrist or 2) brainwashed. My question is: why would a Filipino argue so passionately over something so small?


Im not I just like to use it on racist mexicans to piss them off embarassedlaugh.gif
JakeCutter
In other words a troll. Come back with valid proof if you want me to take you seriously.
Suzuka00
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 16 2008, 02:03 AM) [snapback]3873405[/snapback]
Some you probably have heard or read about the Spanish basketball teams (men and women) posing with slanted-eye gestures in China?

I am sure they meant this for all Asians. I know some Pinay/Pinoy like to claim Spaniard ancestry. Good luck. Even Americans and Brits. called out their deep rooted racism.

that is why tagalogs and ilocanos living on the mountains and igorots don't like spanish,so they make fun of them,tagalogs living on the plains made fun of spanish as well,most Filipina women don't like supot foreigners,that is why they prefer south koreans and americans who are circumcised.
martin_nuke
QUOTE(JakeCutter @ Aug 16 2008, 06:00 PM) [snapback]3874351[/snapback]
Sorry, I've heard the same story hundreds of times before, and it won't fly this time. Where did these mysterious Olmecs go when the Spanish invaded? Did they just disappear? I think other tribes/Spaniards would have mentioned them at least once, but I haven't heard of such discoveries. You're starting to sound like a real afrocentrist. So you must know of how Africans invented mathematics, writing,martial arts, and the first hover cars (which they used to travel across the continents, before the white man destroyed their idea and invented airplanes)? Of course you know, you've been reading up on your history using only the most accurate sources on the net.

The Omlecs is an old race they are Black Egyptians from Africa and have a similar writing to the Egyptian Hieroglyphs and was adopted by the Mayans. If you watch the Apocapypto the writings on the walls of the Aztec Pyramids is like Egyptian Hieroglyphs. The Omlecs already got diluted because of interracial breeding.

The first president of Mexico Guerrero is half Black half Indian.
NeoVxR
I think this thread is going overboard. What has anything to do with Mexico and Africa?

If you allow me a European answer to the initial message,
First, I regret that silly gesture, they thought they were just dorky but had no clue what it means, that the whole world was watching. To European athletes, sport is not quite the political thing as to other world regions, though to the sponsors it may be. Many sportsmen do it just for money, egotism and fun. Especially in central Europe, the nationalism in sports is not taken that serious, it is just a ritual thing but losing a game does not create hatred. In fact, some emotional acting out during games does help to mitigate or relief tensions. Just on regional level there are a few ultra-rightist morons, probably like everywhere.
Spain as a country does not have much power in Europe. It is a holiday tourist country riddled with internal problems. They also take a certain active part in the agricultural supply of Europe.
Their current relation to Black Africans has nothing to do with their relation to Asians.
AND they had been colonized by Arab(!) caliphs, from ~700 AD on, who held kind of an empire in those times, which has nothing to do with Black Africans again.

The issue with Spain is, they are making more noise than they have influence. There would be only one level to consider, that could affect Asians. It is the still surviving (officially merely constitutional) Monarchy. The international connections of the monarchists and nobility are a total different story from everyday life and modern democracy. It is not openly clear where they are helpful and where they are destructive. (off topic, to me the strong British-American connection and the dysfunctional War On Terror have much to do with the blue-blooded connections and agendas in this world)

In the last years, there was one significant event about Spain: the falling-out between the Spanish King and Mr. Chavez of Venezuela. The King being successor of bloody colonialist empires, and Chavez being indigenous, they are natural enemies. What a folly, letting such old history inflict our future. The monarch shouldn't at all have attended the negotiation in the first place, having no official political say in international matters. The only ones who have a right to criticise Chavez personally, are the people of Venezuela, and the indigenous majority is constantly electing him, same with Mr. Morales in the close neighbourship. (Though his aggressive speeches might be detrimental to the long-time success of his party, but that's another story)

Back to the Philippines, what is an "indio" and why is this a bad word at all?
Isn't this a counter-productive racist world-view?
Europe has learnt that the word Indio (in the meantime replaced by more correct expressions) means respectable native inhabitants of South America, who in the recent decades have been developing fast, and have shown a totally powerful collectivist culture that makes remarkably more progress than many of the African nations. They know what emancipation from the colonial empires actually means. They know what it means to give priority to the own heritage, look(!) and culture while studying diligently about every advantage of Western knowledge, judicial systems, and technology. Furthermore, anthropology suggests that they have a definite Asian heritage, though reaching into the past ~10.000 years.

And there could not be any greater difference in all aspects, as is the emancipation of the indigenous peoples from white colonization, versus the emancipation of the white, Europe-based Northern-American colonialists from their European kings who basically had sent them out in the first place, and wanted to control their religion and money like a feudal system wants total control of their own people.

Regarding Mexico, I hear no bad words about the short Austrian era of colonial monarchy. Could it be they have done slightly better? At least, the character of the Austrian Empress is e.g. playing a quite popular and sympathetic role in the Brazil Carneval.

Eventually, wouldn't everyday-spaniards be just normal people, some good some bad, and wouldn't native populations of South America be natural friends in the struggle against the disadvantageous heritage of the colonial eras?
JakeCutter
QUOTE(martin_nuke @ Aug 16 2008, 06:30 PM) [snapback]3874613[/snapback]
The Omlecs is an old race they are Black Egyptians from Africa and have a similar writing to the Egyptian Hieroglyphs and was adopted by the Mayans. If you watch the Apocapypto the writings on the walls of the Aztec Pyramids is like Egyptian Hieroglyphs. The Omlecs already got diluted because of interracial breeding.

The first president of Mexico Guerrero is half Black half Indian.


You believe everything you read.
lluk
Spanish racism certainly has its roots in the Islamic Moor era.

When the Roman empire fell, the Arab sword spread into Spain wiping out the Germanic kings there. Among the Moors were Arabs, Berbers, some black Africans (Senegal troops) and Jewish merchants. They spread different genetics into the white Spanish population. Some of the Spanish women were forced to mix and some voluntarily mixed with the Islamic Moor invaders because they were more endowed. For over 700 years, a new race was born in Iberia and Portugal.

When the white Spaniards were able to drive out the black and Semitic Moors, they went on to conquer the Americas. They learned the Moor/Arab behavior and realize to eliminate an enemy, you must conquer their women too. That is how a lot of Meztizo came to be today in Latin America. This forceful mixing still has its own racial implications in many Latin American societies today (ie favoring of more Caucasian looking partners).

In Phillipines, the Spaniards could not mix as much because the islands back then probably were already very highly populated. The mixing was minimal (based on current genetic research).

With this kind of violent history, it is easy to understand the racism and inferiority complex of Spaniards.
Pogpog
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 17 2008, 11:49 AM) [snapback]3875274[/snapback]
Spanish racism certainly has its roots in the Islamic Moor era.

When the Roman empire fell, the Arab sword spread into Spain wiping out the Germanic kings there. Among the Moors were Arabs, Berbers, some black Africans (Senegal troops) and Jewish merchants. They spread different genetics into the white Spanish population. Some of the Spanish women were forced to mix and some voluntarily mixed with the Islamic Moor invaders because they were more endowed. For over 700 years, a new race was born in Iberia and Portugal.

When the white Spaniards were able to drive out the black and Semitic Moors, they went on to conquer the Americas. They learned the Moor/Arab behavior and realize to eliminate an enemy, you must conquer their women too. That is how a lot of Meztizo came to be today in Latin America. This forceful mixing still has its own racial implications in many Latin American societies today (ie favoring of more Caucasian looking partners).

In Phillipines, the Spaniards could not mix as much because the islands back then probably were already very highly populated. The mixing was minimal (based on current genetic research).

With this kind of violent history, it is easy to understand the racism and inferiority complex of Spaniards.


so what's that got to do with us with this 'slit-eye' incident and saying 'good luck' to us? what are you implying here?

JeanYus
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 17 2008, 02:49 AM) [snapback]3875274[/snapback]
Spanish racism certainly has its roots in the Islamic Moor era.

When the Roman empire fell, the Arab sword spread into Spain wiping out the Germanic kings there. Among the Moors were Arabs, Berbers, some black Africans (Senegal troops) and Jewish merchants. They spread different genetics into the white Spanish population. Some of the Spanish women were forced to mix and some voluntarily mixed with the Islamic Moor invaders because they were more endowed. For over 700 years, a new race was born in Iberia and Portugal.

When the white Spaniards were able to drive out the black and Semitic Moors, they went on to conquer the Americas. They learned the Moor/Arab behavior and realize to eliminate an enemy, you must conquer their women too. That is how a lot of Meztizo came to be today in Latin America. This forceful mixing still has its own racial implications in many Latin American societies today (ie favoring of more Caucasian looking partners).

In Phillipines, the Spaniards could not mix as much because the islands back then probably were already very highly populated. The mixing was minimal (based on current genetic research).

With this kind of violent history, it is easy to understand the racism and inferiority complex of Spaniards.

Do you take trade ins on used cars?
islander
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 17 2008, 03:49 AM) [snapback]3875274[/snapback]
In Phillipines, the Spaniards could not mix as much because the islands back then probably were already very highly populated. The mixing was minimal (based on current genetic research).


I found this article on "Race Mixing and Westernization in Latin America and the Philippines" It explains why the Spaniards did not do as well in the Philippines compared to Latin America.

http://www.analitica.com/Bitblio/emily_mon...race_mixing.asp

@NeoVxR - You said: "Regarding Mexico, I hear no bad words about the short Austrian era of colonial monarchy. Could it be they have done slightly better?"

You got to be kidding! You do know they overthrew a democratically elected gov't.. And then later on tried to reintroduce slavery. This slavery had to do with getting closer to US confederates. And it was the French. The French Emperor Napeoleon the III that placed the Austrian Maximilian of Habsburg has Emperor of Mexico. But he was a puppet. A puppet of the French. Found out Austrian and Belgian volunteers were fighting for the French in Mexico.

QUOTE
Napoleon III, Emperor of the Second French Empire had grandiose
plans to impose a monarchical government upon the nations of Central and South
America. This was to provide raw materials and trade for the European nations as well as
check the growing power of the US Republic following the annexation of California,
Arizona and New Mexico.

maersk
QUOTE(salamat @ Aug 16 2008, 06:51 PM) [snapback]3874332[/snapback]
According to studies and research conducted by Clyde Winters, the Olmecs were Africans from the Mandinka region of West Africa. They used the Mende script to write and they spoke the Mende language, the same language spoken by Cinque in the movie 'Amistad'.

The Mende script found on monuments at Monte Alban in Mexico, has been deciphered and it was found to be identical to the Mende script used in West Africa. Afterwards, the language was found to be the very same language spoken by the Mende of West Africa.

http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/04022002.htm




this is pretty LOLworthy.

even if alleged "mande" (not mende) script had been found there, it could easily be explained by the fact of the spanish importing mandingo/mandinka slaves to mexico from west africa starting in the mid 1500's. slaves are perhaps marched past the olmec monuments, scratch some "script" on it before their lead away.......
Najjiah
QUOTE(lluk @ Aug 16 2008, 12:03 AM) [snapback]3873405[/snapback]
WHITE BOIZ RULE!!!!! biggthumpup.gif biggthumpup.gif biggthumpup.gif

i know right? lolz!

Michael Phelps is my lover <3

Ben Wildman-Tobriner


Brendan Hansen


Ian Thorpe






Markus Rogan and Aaron Peirso


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Ryan Lochte


Sascha Klein


Part man. part fish Phelps


i heart white boiz!!!!
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i see small d!cks...
NeoVxR
QUOTE(islander @ Aug 17 2008, 07:40 PM) [snapback]3875899[/snapback]
I found this article on "Race Mixing and Westernization in Latin America and the Philippines" It explains why the Spaniards did not do as well in the Philippines compared to Latin America.

http://www.analitica.com/Bitblio/emily_mon...race_mixing.asp

@NeoVxR - You said: "Regarding Mexico, I hear no bad words about the short Austrian era of colonial monarchy. Could it be they have done slightly better?"

You got to be kidding! You do know they overthrew a democratically elected gov't.. And then later on tried to reintroduce slavery. This slavery had to do with getting closer to US confederates. And it was the French. The French Emperor Napeoleon the III that placed the Austrian Maximilian of Habsburg has Emperor of Mexico. But he was a puppet. A puppet of the French. Found out Austrian and Belgian volunteers were fighting for the French in Mexico.

thanks for the article.
Though it seems a partisan view, influenced by the current struggle of Venezuela in finding its genuine identity and political according system.
I would not rely on demographic statistics about the Philippines from that souce. Also I think that it is downplaying the sociopolitic role of the upper class families with Spanish heritage. (I am not judging this role here)

QUOTE
At the end of the day, the Americas are a cultural extension of Europe, whereas Africa is not.

Well, here in Europe, the Americas are seen both as very foreign and culturally different from nowadays Europeans, but Africa is still much more foreign. I perceive the Latin American countries as an emerging third cultural force, not Western nor Eastern. (Why think that bipolar at all?)
The big melting pot has its own advantage and power. Expect bigger things to come.

Adopting the Spanish language does not make Latin Americans more European (and there is a revival of qechua also), than adopting the English language would make Filipinos American. Also there are vast differences between Latin American countries. The point to make is, that so much of genuine culture and ethnic substance has been destroyed and lost (much more than in Asia). But the outcome does not have a European self-view at all.
There is much more than language, that defines mindset, culture, and political goals, just that language helps in worldwide compatibility which is an advantage for commerce and tourism.

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why did the region not end up like the Philippines, whose people were conquered by Spain but nonetheless kept their own languages and cultural traditions?

Because the pre-spanish Filipinos already had a stronger and technically more advanced culture than the native South Americans. They were already masters of seafare and commerce. As trading peoples, they had great inter-cultural human skills and experience in the encounter of foreign cultures. They would never had mistaken white visitors as "gods".

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The main reason for the dearth of Spanish-Filipino mestizos was that few Spaniards ventured to the Philippines. The voyage from Spain to the islands was considerably long.



I think we should just focus on useful ideas that are spreading throughout the world, while having their origins in various particular western and eastern cultures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_mestizo
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There are no reliable sources for the proportion of mestizos in the Philippines at present, this is due in part to the lack of government statistical study regarding the racial makeup of the Philippines. The Philippine Statistics Department does not account for the racial background or ancestry of an indivdual. The number of Filipino mestizos that reside outside the Philippines is also unknown.

Some sources say that European mestizos make ~10% of Filipino population.



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I was asking because I don't know enough about this part of history.
Still to me it seems that the Latin Americans are putting the bigger blame on the French and Spanish than on Austrans, and your remark is contributing to some explanation.

So..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Habs...peror_of_Mexico
I checked the who is who and there are in fact two relevant persons:
* Marie Leopoldina, Archduchess of Austria (1797-1826), first wife of Peter I, Emperor of Brazil
* Maximilian I of Mexico (1832; 1864-1867)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_I_of_Mexico
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Maximilian, an adventurous younger son, was invited as part of Napoleon III's manipulations to take the throne of Mexico, becoming Emperor Maximilian I of Mexico. The conservative Mexicans, as well as the clergy, supported this Second Mexican Empire. His consort, Empress Carlota of Mexico, born a Belgian princess of the House of Saxe-Coburg Gotha, encouraged her husband's acceptance of the Mexican crown and accompanied him to Mexico. The adventure did not end well. Maximilian was shot in "Cerro de las Campanas" in 1867 by the republican forces of Benito Juárez.
Many foreign governments refused to recognize his government, especially the United States;
so he was part of the system, but not much active on his own, and did not prevail unpunished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Leopold...hess_of_Austria :
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Princess Leopoldina thus became Brazil's first Empress consort. She also played an important role on the Declaration of Independence process. The princess found out that Portugal was preparing an action against Brasil and, having no time to wait for D. Pedro's return, Leopoldina, advised by José Bonifácio, and using its interim power, met on September 2, 1822 with the State of Council, signed the Independence decree, declaring Brasil separated from Portugal.


My point is, though I am against dynastic ruling houses today, we should make a difference, because that difference can explain quite a lot and helps to judge for the future, when some black-and-white thinking is fostered by the players in a current political struggle.
Suzuka00
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Because the pre-spanish Filipinos already had a stronger and technically more advanced culture than the native South Americans. They were already masters of seafare and commerce. As trading peoples, they had great inter-cultural human skills and experience in the encounter of foreign cultures. They would never had mistaken white visitors as "gods".

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SE Asians are immuned to european diseases as well.
NeoVxR
good remark i true, but they are having their own bird flu icon_wink.gif
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