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Hafiz
QUOTE
Massacre and Slaughter of the Overseas Chinese

By Liang Jieming

A.D. 1603 - Manila, Philippines
24,000 massacred by Spaniards when Ming Mandarins
visited the islands sparking fears of Chinese dominance.

A.D. 1662 - Manila, Philippines
30,000 put to sea and expelled from the Philippines.
Those caught outside the Parian (Manila's Chinese
ghetto) were beheaded immediately.

A.D. 1639-1640 - Manila, Philippines
20,000 die in anti-Chinese violence

A.D. 1686 - Manila, Philippines
Anti-Chinese violence

A.D. 1740 - Batavia, Indonesia (Batavian Fury)
10,000 Chinese slaughtered by Dutch when the Chinese
objected to forced removals to Sri Lanka as slave
labour.

A.D. 1763 - Manila, Philippines
Anti- Chinese violence

A.D. 1792 - Cholon, Vietnam (Ho Chi Minh City)
10,000 Chinese massacred in the Tay Son movement's
retaking of Cholon from Nguyen Anh who in 1780 had
proclaimed himself the new Nguyen ruler. According to
Nguyen records, Nhac of Tay Son lost one of his closest
aides, killed by Nguyen troops who happened to be ethnic
Chinese. In revenge, Nhac ordered the killing of ethnic
Chinese in the city including the women and children. It
has been speculated that this act was also to destroy the
ethnic Chinese commercial monopoly.

A.D. 1823 - South Borneo
10,000-20,000 Chinese massacred when Chinese "kongsi"
resisted the withdrawal and reselling of mining
concession to the Dutch by local Sultans due to
monetary jealousy and rivalry.

ca. A.D. 1824-1851 Reign of Rama III - Thailand
A band of Chinese insurgents capture and loot the city
of Chachengsao, causing the majority of the Siamese
population to flee the city. The government successfully
dispatched troops to put down the affair. After a few
confrontations one of the rebel leaders changed sides
and led his troops to capture the other rebel leaders. The
rest of the rebels soon fled the city and were surrounded
by the government troops. The town folk returned and
initiated a massacre. Some Chinese tried to flee by
becoming monks, but were not spared and many hanged
themselves to avoid the slaughter. Deaths numbered in
the thousands.

A.D. 1857 - Sarawak, North Borneo
2,000-5,000 Chinese massacred by Raja Brooke when a
Hakka gold-mining "kongsi" failed to murder him. Liu
Shanbang led 600-armed miners from Bau Lama to attack
Kuching on the 18th of February 1857. He succeeded in
the attack but James Brooke escaped unhurt. Liu became
the de facto 'Rajah' of Sarawak for 5 days from the 19th
to the 23rd of February after which Liu and his men
retreated to Bau when Tuan Muda Charles Brooke with
his Dayak force from 2nd Division (Sri Aman) retaliated.
Liu Shanbang was killed at Jugan, Siniawan on or about
the 24th of February. His men and their families were
mostly killed or suffocated to death by the Rajah's men at
Mau San and Ghost Cave areas with some managing to
escape to Indonesia.

A.D. 1871 - Los Angeles, California, USA
19 Chinese die when white Los Angeles citizens go bezerk
after the accidental killing of a white man by a Chinese
laborer.

A.D. 1877 - Chico, California, USA
Anti-Chinese violence.

A.D. 1885 - Rock Springs, Wyoming, USA
Anti-Chinese violence.

A.D. 1887 - Snake River, Oregon, USA
31 Chinese miners massacred in a 2-day orgy of violence.

A.D. 1890s - San Francisco & Seattle, USA
Thousands of Chinese were assaulted in "pigtail cutting
parties" by unemployed white vigilantes frightened by
the Yellow Peril frenzy.

A.D. 1942 - Singapore (Operation Sook Ching)
70,699 Chinese tortured and/or killed by Japanese
Kempeitai in Colonel Tsuji Masanobu's "Sook Ching" or
Purification/Ethnic Cleansing in reprisals for overseas
Chinese support of mainland China against the Japanese
invasion.

A.D. 1942 - Malaya (Operation Sook Ching)
40,000 Chinese killed by Japanese Kempetai in the
continuation of the Singapore Sook Ching.

A.D. 1946 - Malaya
The withdrawal of Japanese troops created a power
vacuum in Malaya. The predominately Chinese MPAJA
representing the victorious Allied forces with the approval
of the British, streamed out of the jungles to assume
control of towns and villages to impose law and order
prior to the British arrival. However, brutal reprisals and
witchhunts of Japanese collaborators and police personnel,
many of which were from the Japanese favoured Malay
population polarised the conflict along racial lines. Malays
retaliated with a fiery brand of Malay mysticism, Islam and
martial arts, forming the Red Band under Kiyai (Tok Guru)
Salleh and the Sabilillah. The Japanese, angered by the
MPAJA guerrilla activities during the occupation, joined the
Malays in the Batu Pahat area of Johor state to clear the
area of Chinese elements. The fighing spread thoughout
Malaya with the worst fighting occuring in Northern Johor
and central Perak states. Thousands died in the fighting
with large areas cleared of Chinese settlers who were
forced to flee to the larger cities.

A.D. 1965-1966 - Indonesia
500,000 killed in anti-communist violence, many were
local Chinese suspected of communist activities, others
were those who joined the PKI (Parti Kommunis Indonesia)
ignorant of the ideology but attracted by it's stance for
defending worker rights, while many others were innocent
victims caught in the frenzied bloodletting of racial
jealousy and animosity.

A.D. 1969 - Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
1500-2000 Chinese dead from racial rioting sparked by
Chinese electoral victories in Selangor and Kuala Lumpur
which prevented the formation of a Malay dominated state
goverment in Selangor and the 2/3 majority in Parliment
required to push through constitutional amendments
without a referendum.

A.D. 1998 - Jakarta, Indonesia
Thousands of Chinese businesses and homes were burnt,
looted and smashed when rampaging youths, chafting
under the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis, blamed the Chinese
for their sufferings and rioted in the streets of Jakarta.
Untold numbers of Chinese were killed, Chinese girls were
gang-raped and houses plundered. The Indonesian police,
unable or unwilling to stop the violence, prompted residents
of housing estates to band together to erect barricades,
arm themselves and to employ armed guards to patrol the
streets.



helloworld
What the fu-k are you doing? Do you want the whole world to hate us? Please think hard before you post something.
Red Fox Ace
Certainly we should not forget. What are you implying? That overseas Chinese should arm themselves with guns?
Hafiz
QUOTE(Red Fox Ace @ Aug 26 2008, 07:59 AM) *
Certainly we should not forget. What are you implying? That overseas Chinese should arm themselves with guns?


When did I say that Chinese people should arm themselves or seek revenge ? I just said we should not forget what happened in the past.

QUOTE(helloworld @ Aug 26 2008, 07:53 AM) *
What the fu-k are you doing? Do you want the whole world to hate us? Please think hard before you post something.


Remembering things that happened in the past is not against any law !!!

Japan always reminded themselves and the world about Hiroshima and Nagasaki and how does that make the world hate them ?

Russia always reminded people about the Mongol Invasion of their country in the past and how does that make people hate Russians ?

Armenia always remind themselves about Turks that massacred countless of their country men and how does that make people hate Armenians ?
BendNeverBreak
I usually go by the rule "forgive and forget". And, no, I haven't forgotten. I haven't forgotten that we descendants of HuaXia were ruled by the Mongols (including the Manchus) for over 400 years. But I also haven't forgotten that we descendants of HuaXia also committed genocide against millions of Homo erectus, whose home was China for at least a million years.
Hafiz
QUOTE(BendNeverBreak @ Aug 26 2008, 08:14 AM) *
I usually go by the rule "forgive and forget". And, no, I haven't forgotten. I haven't forgotten that we descendants of HuaXia were ruled by the Mongols (including the Manchus) for over 400 years. But we also haven't forgotten that we descendants of HuaXia also committed genocide against millions of Homo erectus, whose home was China for at least a million years.


Ok with forget and forgive.
SeanMoran
QUOTE(Hafiz @ Aug 26 2008, 01:07 PM) *
Massacre and Slaughter of the Overseas Chinese

By Liang Jieming

A.D. 1603 - Manila, Philippines
24,000 massacred by Spaniards when Ming Mandarins
visited the islands sparking fears of Chinese dominance.

A.D. 1662 - Manila, Philippines
30,000 put to sea and expelled from the Philippines.
Those caught outside the Parian (Manila's Chinese
ghetto) were beheaded immediately.

A.D. 1639-1640 - Manila, Philippines
20,000 die in anti-Chinese violence

A.D. 1686 - Manila, Philippines
Anti-Chinese violence

A.D. 1740 - Batavia, Indonesia (Batavian Fury)
10,000 Chinese slaughtered by Dutch when the Chinese
objected to forced removals to Sri Lanka as slave
labour.

A.D. 1763 - Manila, Philippines
Anti- Chinese violence

A.D. 1792 - Cholon, Vietnam (Ho Chi Minh City)
10,000 Chinese massacred in the Tay Son movement's
retaking of Cholon from Nguyen Anh who in 1780 had
proclaimed himself the new Nguyen ruler. According to
Nguyen records, Nhac of Tay Son lost one of his closest
aides, killed by Nguyen troops who happened to be ethnic
Chinese. In revenge, Nhac ordered the killing of ethnic
Chinese in the city including the women and children. It
has been speculated that this act was also to destroy the
ethnic Chinese commercial monopoly.

A.D. 1823 - South Borneo
10,000-20,000 Chinese massacred when Chinese "kongsi"
resisted the withdrawal and reselling of mining
concession to the Dutch by local Sultans due to
monetary jealousy and rivalry.

ca. A.D. 1824-1851 Reign of Rama III - Thailand
A band of Chinese insurgents capture and loot the city
of Chachengsao, causing the majority of the Siamese
population to flee the city. The government successfully
dispatched troops to put down the affair. After a few
confrontations one of the rebel leaders changed sides
and led his troops to capture the other rebel leaders. The
rest of the rebels soon fled the city and were surrounded
by the government troops. The town folk returned and
initiated a massacre. Some Chinese tried to flee by
becoming monks, but were not spared and many hanged
themselves to avoid the slaughter. Deaths numbered in
the thousands.

A.D. 1857 - Sarawak, North Borneo
2,000-5,000 Chinese massacred by Raja Brooke when a
Hakka gold-mining "kongsi" failed to murder him. Liu
Shanbang led 600-armed miners from Bau Lama to attack
Kuching on the 18th of February 1857. He succeeded in
the attack but James Brooke escaped unhurt. Liu became
the de facto 'Rajah' of Sarawak for 5 days from the 19th
to the 23rd of February after which Liu and his men
retreated to Bau when Tuan Muda Charles Brooke with
his Dayak force from 2nd Division (Sri Aman) retaliated.
Liu Shanbang was killed at Jugan, Siniawan on or about
the 24th of February. His men and their families were
mostly killed or suffocated to death by the Rajah's men at
Mau San and Ghost Cave areas with some managing to
escape to Indonesia.

A.D. 1871 - Los Angeles, California, USA
19 Chinese die when white Los Angeles citizens go bezerk
after the accidental killing of a white man by a Chinese
laborer.

A.D. 1877 - Chico, California, USA
Anti-Chinese violence.

A.D. 1885 - Rock Springs, Wyoming, USA
Anti-Chinese violence.

A.D. 1887 - Snake River, Oregon, USA
31 Chinese miners massacred in a 2-day orgy of violence.

A.D. 1890s - San Francisco & Seattle, USA
Thousands of Chinese were assaulted in "pigtail cutting
parties" by unemployed white vigilantes frightened by
the Yellow Peril frenzy.

A.D. 1942 - Singapore (Operation Sook Ching)
70,699 Chinese tortured and/or killed by Japanese
Kempeitai in Colonel Tsuji Masanobu's "Sook Ching" or
Purification/Ethnic Cleansing in reprisals for overseas
Chinese support of mainland China against the Japanese
invasion.

A.D. 1942 - Malaya (Operation Sook Ching)
40,000 Chinese killed by Japanese Kempetai in the
continuation of the Singapore Sook Ching.

A.D. 1946 - Malaya
The withdrawal of Japanese troops created a power
vacuum in Malaya. The predominately Chinese MPAJA
representing the victorious Allied forces with the approval
of the British, streamed out of the jungles to assume
control of towns and villages to impose law and order
prior to the British arrival. However, brutal reprisals and
witchhunts of Japanese collaborators and police personnel,
many of which were from the Japanese favoured Malay
population polarised the conflict along racial lines. Malays
retaliated with a fiery brand of Malay mysticism, Islam and
martial arts, forming the Red Band under Kiyai (Tok Guru)
Salleh and the Sabilillah. The Japanese, angered by the
MPAJA guerrilla activities during the occupation, joined the
Malays in the Batu Pahat area of Johor state to clear the
area of Chinese elements. The fighing spread thoughout
Malaya with the worst fighting occuring in Northern Johor
and central Perak states. Thousands died in the fighting
with large areas cleared of Chinese settlers who were
forced to flee to the larger cities.

A.D. 1965-1966 - Indonesia
500,000 killed in anti-communist violence, many were
local Chinese suspected of communist activities, others
were those who joined the PKI (Parti Kommunis Indonesia)
ignorant of the ideology but attracted by it's stance for
defending worker rights, while many others were innocent
victims caught in the frenzied bloodletting of racial
jealousy and animosity.

A.D. 1969 - Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
1500-2000 Chinese dead from racial rioting sparked by
Chinese electoral victories in Selangor and Kuala Lumpur
which prevented the formation of a Malay dominated state
goverment in Selangor and the 2/3 majority in Parliment
required to push through constitutional amendments
without a referendum.

A.D. 1998 - Jakarta, Indonesia
Thousands of Chinese businesses and homes were burnt,
looted and smashed when rampaging youths, chafting
under the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis, blamed the Chinese
for their sufferings and rioted in the streets of Jakarta.
Untold numbers of Chinese were killed, Chinese girls were
gang-raped and houses plundered. The Indonesian police,
unable or unwilling to stop the violence, prompted residents
of housing estates to band together to erect barricades,
arm themselves and to employ armed guards to patrol the
streets.




















When did I say that Chinese people should arm themselves or seek revenge ? I just said we should not forget what happened in the past.

What does "we should never forget what happened in the past" mean to you ????

Remembering things that happened in the past is not against any law !!!

Japan always remind themselves and the world about Hiroshima and Nagasaki and how does that make the world hate Japanese ?

Russia always remind people about the Mongol Invasion of their country in the past and how does that make people hate Russians ?

Armenia always remind themselves about Turks that massacred countless of their country men and how does that make people hate Armenians ?

Coincidentally, I'm almost finished reading 1421 right now. beerchug.gif
BendNeverBreak
QUOTE(Hafiz @ Aug 26 2008, 08:15 AM) *
Ok with forget and forgive but do you agree with Japan reminding the whole world about Hiroshima and Nagasaki every year ?
And do you agree with the Jews keeping talking about the Holocaust ?


Yes. Nukes are the reason we can't afford to have wars anymore. Thanks to Einstein.
Hafiz
QUOTE(BendNeverBreak @ Aug 26 2008, 08:16 AM) *
Yes. Nukes are the reason we can't afford to have wars anymore. Thanks to Einstein.


If the Jews and the Japanese have the right to b!tch about the past then so do the Chinese people.
BendNeverBreak
QUOTE(Hafiz @ Aug 26 2008, 08:19 AM) *
If the Jews and the Japanese have the right to b!tch about the past then so do the Chinese people.


What do we b!tch about again? Need a reminder here.
Hafiz
QUOTE(BendNeverBreak @ Aug 26 2008, 08:20 AM) *
What do we b!tch about again? Need a reminder here.


read message #4 in the thread.
SeanMoran
QUOTE(Hafiz @ Aug 26 2008, 01:19 PM) *
If the Jews and the Japanese have the right to b!tch about the past then so do the Chinese people.

All nationalities and races have plenty of bitchers. That's what Mod invented Internet forums for!

So you can whinge to the whole World in public and be famous, just like a movie star, even if you're just a whinger! embarassedlaugh.gif


BendNeverBreak
QUOTE(Hafiz @ Aug 26 2008, 08:21 AM) *
read message #4 in the thread.


I don't get it. Just give me a straight answer, will ya?
SeanMoran
QUOTE(BendNeverBreak @ Aug 26 2008, 01:22 PM) *
I don't get it. Just give me a straight answer, will ya?

Essentially, post #4 meant that China should never forget her own mistakes of the past.
beerchug.gif
BendNeverBreak
QUOTE(SeanMoran @ Aug 26 2008, 08:25 AM) *
Essentially, post #4 meant that China should never forget her own mistakes of the past.
beerchug.gif


Mistakes? Everyone makes mistakes. It's only natural.
SeanMoran
QUOTE(BendNeverBreak @ Aug 26 2008, 01:27 PM) *
Mistakes? Everyone makes mistakes. It's only natural.

I'm almost finished this Gavin Menzies book, 1421, and from his explanation of the Chinese colonisation of the settled World of the time, I'm filled with admiration, and yet, two hundred years on there's bound to be a few incidents we can pull out of the Spice Islands' history books to cast a dim light on the natives.
Life goes on...
BendNeverBreak
I don't like how the OP just rants about and then leaves, looks like he was deliberately trying to stir trouble?
SeanMoran
QUOTE(BendNeverBreak @ Aug 26 2008, 01:37 PM) *
I don't like how the OP just rants about and then leaves, looks like he was deliberately trying to stir trouble?

I got that feeling about Hafiz at first, and if that was the case, then he'd have had plenty of friends around on the forum to keep him company, (like that HunkyRichDude loser!) but he and I nave had a few good discussions since those first days, and although we differ in some of our opinions, he and I, I reckon he's basically just a ver busy man who takes the time out of his schedule to post a few good stories on AF everyday, and he's as good as a Swiss watch when it comes to clockwork!

We're lucky to have someone like Hafiz here working for us, even if we disagree at times.
We shouldn't shoot the messenger. beerchug.gif
BendNeverBreak
QUOTE(SeanMoran @ Aug 26 2008, 08:41 AM) *
I got that feeling about Hafiz at first, and if that was the case, then he'd have had plenty of friends around on the forum to keep him company, (like that HunkyRichDude loser!) but he and I nave had a few good discussions since those first days, and although we differ in some of our opinions, he and I, I reckon he's basically just a ver busy man who takes the time out of his schedule to post a few good stories on AF everyday, and he's as good as a Swiss watch when it comes to clockwork!

We're lucky to have someone like Hafiz here working for us, even if we disagree at times.
We shouldn't shoot the messenger. beerchug.gif


I am HunkyRichDude, and I am NOT a loser!
SeanMoran
QUOTE(BendNeverBreak @ Aug 26 2008, 01:43 PM) *
I am HunkyRichDude, and I am NOT a loser!

Maybe tomorrow you'll change your mind, eh? embarassedlaugh.gif

(Yes, you'll still be Jeremy though. neartears.gif)

Bulldogg
I also would like to pay homage to the Boxer Rebellion.

Date November 2, 1899 – September 7, 1901

R.I.P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion

kunomchu
QUOTE(Bulldogg @ Aug 26 2008, 09:25 AM) *
I also would like to pay homage to the Boxer Rebellion.

Date November 2, 1899 – September 7, 1901

R.I.P

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion


wow... boxer rebellion was a joke.
TylerDurden
Of all the crimes done against Chinese people, the worst one is the Opium Wars that raged in 1800s that resulted to the Boxer Rebellion, the eventual KMT revolution and the civil war that ended in 1949.

A total of 60 Million Chinese were murdered by the British and their European allies, that by 1901 Chinese population has dropped to only 40 Million.

The large scale massacre is only comparable to the Extermination of the Native Indians and indigenous populations in the Carribean, Australia and the Black Africans during the 1600s-1940. What is significant with this is that the same perpetrators of these violence are still perpetuating their violence up to the present day in a mask of righteousness "ie. Democracy, Human Rights"...
xuanzang
60 million ? where you got that figure from ? how many europeans soldiers were in china, how could they possibly kill 60 million, I don't think they could even kill 600k ...


QUOTE(TylerDurden @ Aug 26 2008, 02:41 PM) *
Of all the crimes done against Chinese people, the worst one is the Opium Wars that raged in 1800s that resulted to the Boxer Rebellion, the eventual KMT revolution and the civil war that ended in 1949.

A total of 60 Million Chinese were murdered by the British and their European allies, that by 1901 Chinese population has dropped to only 40 Million.

The large scale massacre is only comparable to the Extermination of the Native Indians and indigenous populations in the Carribean, Australia and the Black Africans during the 1600s-1940. What is significant with this is that the same perpetrators of these violence are still perpetuating their violence up to the present day in a mask of righteousness "ie. Democracy, Human Rights"...

BendNeverBreak
QUOTE(TylerDurden @ Aug 26 2008, 03:41 PM) *
Of all the crimes done against Chinese people, the worst one is the Opium Wars that raged in 1800s that resulted to the Boxer Rebellion, the eventual KMT revolution and the civil war that ended in 1949.

A total of 60 Million Chinese were murdered by the British and their European allies, that by 1901 Chinese population has dropped to only 40 Million.

The large scale massacre is only comparable to the Extermination of the Native Indians and indigenous populations in the Carribean, Australia and the Black Africans during the 1600s-1940. What is significant with this is that the same perpetrators of these violence are still perpetuating their violence up to the present day in a mask of righteousness "ie. Democracy, Human Rights"...


60 million? 40 million? I don't think the Chinese population ever dipped below 400 million in the 20th century.
Chan-Ho
Don't forget the millions of Chinese slaughtered ruthlessly like animals by the Japanese in WW2 including the Nanjing massacre and unit 731.
islander
Population of China was 300 million in 1840. At the start of the Opium war there were 12 million addicts. Thats alot of addicts. Got it from this on the Opium war: http://www.usp.nus.edu.sg/victorian/histor...iumwars1.htmlso

As for the 60 million some one was talking about read this:
QUOTE
While the Chinese entered into conflict with Europe and European culture during the Opium War and after, it was also convulsed by a number of rebellions in mid-century. With rebellion in Nien (1853-1868), several Muslim rebellions in the southwest (1855-1873) and northwest (1862-1877), and, especially, the Taiping rebellion, the consequences for China during this period were devestating. In the Taiping rebellion alone, which lasted for twenty years, almost twenty to thirty million died as a direct result of the conflict. In fact, the period from 1850 to 1873 saw, as a result of rebellion, drought, and famine, the population of China drop by over sixty million people.


Got it from this: http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/CHING/TAIPING.HTM
Titanium
According to John King Fairbank, China's Population in 1840 was as high as 432 million. China's censuses throughout history were always higher than revealed he claims.
Eastern_Knight
QUOTE(TylerDurden @ Aug 27 2008, 04:41 AM) *
Of all the crimes done against Chinese people, the worst one is the Opium Wars that raged in 1800s that resulted to the Boxer Rebellion, the eventual KMT revolution and the civil war that ended in 1949.

A total of 60 Million Chinese were murdered by the British and their European allies, that by 1901 Chinese population has dropped to only 40 Million.

The large scale massacre is only comparable to the Extermination of the Native Indians and indigenous populations in the Carribean, Australia and the Black Africans during the 1600s-1940. What is significant with this is that the same perpetrators of these violence are still perpetuating their violence up to the present day in a mask of righteousness "ie. Democracy, Human Rights"...



Like everyone else before me, I call Bull$hit.
To be fair, Chinese merchants were the ones who sold Opium to its own people. You can't dump EVERYTHING on the British, though what they did was despicable.



~OP, Thats terrible, I had never head of half of these massacres, could I get some links for the earlier ones?
kunomchu
QUOTE(Eastern_Knight @ Aug 26 2008, 07:06 PM) *
Like everyone else before me, I call Bull$hit.
To be fair, Chinese merchants were the ones who sold Opium to its own people. You can't dump EVERYTHING on the British, though what they did was despicable.
~OP, Thats terrible, I had never head of half of these massacres, could I get some links for the earlier ones?


Lets not blame the columbian drug cartels but the drug dealers. Logic doesn't work.

Wiki opium wars
Eastern_Knight
The British wouldn't have been able to do what they did without the help of Chinese merchants distributing it further inland.
kunomchu
QUOTE(Eastern_Knight @ Aug 26 2008, 07:24 PM) *
The British wouldn't have been able to do what they did without the help of Chinese merchants distributing it further inland.


The British had access into inland china. They could sail their cargo right in. Thats what the unfair treaties did. The Qing made opium illegal, dumped and destroyed tons of opium. The British retaliated with war.

If you want to talk about the past, at least do some research and stop making random accusations.
LiZhuoShi
QUOTE(Eastern_Knight @ Aug 26 2008, 06:24 PM) *
The British wouldn't have been able to do what they did without the help of Chinese merchants distributing it further inland.


It was hardly a natural economy as you're claiming. While it is true that with the element of demand is enough to create a market (offer comes after with speed of light) you should know the chinese merchants were forced at gun point to take opium as part of the trade off.

Mid-Night_Sun
QUOTE(Trigati @ Aug 26 2008, 09:12 PM) *
You understand that I am an atheist. So, your point being??? Whiteness is a concept of the soul. If your soul is strong, you are a white.


i thought i should let you know jeremy. im going to kill you. laugh.gif
furball
The Chinese will not forget or forgive.

The present days Europeans are paying for the crimes against humanity committed by their forefathers. In 100 years, white man will be in the minority throughout most of modern day Europe.

As to the Japanese, there wont be anymore Japanese left in 100 years time.

Justice will always be served.
chymali
QUOTE(Eastern_Knight @ Aug 26 2008, 04:24 PM) *
The British wouldn't have been able to do what they did without the help of Chinese merchants distributing it further inland.


Well, the merchants wouldn't have been able to distribute it if the British hadn't given it to them.
islander
Immigrants have always had it hard throughout history. Many like to step on them or blame them when things go bad in there nations.

@Eastern Knight - You wanted to know more about:
QUOTE
A.D. 1603 - Manila, Philippines
24,000 massacred by Spaniards when Ming Mandarins
visited the islands sparking fears of Chinese dominance.


Spaniards were exploiters which could explain why there were problems. But I could not find info. on Ming Mandarins visiting the island which was the cause for the massacre of 1603.

But did find this. An account from someone who was there in 1603: http://www.filipiniana.net/read_content.js...amp;submit.y=12

As for the expelling in 1662 of Chinese this will answer why they probably did it:
QUOTE
In 1662 a powerful loyalist from the Ming rulers named Cheng Cheng Kung who was also known as Koxinga threatened to invade the Philippines. Koxinga had driven out the Dutch from Formosa and made it his base after the Mings were defeated in the Chinese mainland by the Manchus. The threat from Koxinga was so real that Spanish forces then fighting in the Moluccas had to be recalled to Manila. Zamboanga and other forts in Mindanao had to be evacuated.

This and still remembering what happened in 1570 and 1603 drove them to expell the Chinese.
In 1574 Chinese Pirate Limahong tried to establish a kingdom in the Phillippines. Seems he was wanted in China so he went to the Philippines. He burned most of Manila.
Read this on him: http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/east_a..._history/115902

AsianRevenge
QUOTE(furball @ Aug 26 2008, 06:34 PM) *
The Chinese will not forget or forgive.

The present days Europeans are paying for the crimes against humanity committed by their forefathers. In 100 years, white man will be in the minority throughout most of modern day Europe.

As to the Japanese, there wont be anymore Japanese left in 100 years time.

Justice will always be served.


And to add to that, there is a Santa Claus. What planet to do you live on?
Chinese DesertFox
History is a good guide, but let's not dwell on it.
BrooklynCarter
of course we should ^^ past is the history, tomorrow is a mystery
InitialDJay
the national ghost day should be attribute to these victims.

i agree, we should remember it but not seeking for revenge.

lets it go, even if we kill the whole world, those people can't be brought back.
Hafiz
QUOTE(Eastern_Knight @ Aug 26 2008, 07:06 PM) *
To be fair, Chinese merchants were the ones who sold Opium to its own people.


You might as well say that the Dutch East Indie company was actually a Chinese company and the people in India who planted those Opium plants were actually Chinese people from China.

QUOTE(BendNeverBreak @ Aug 26 2008, 08:37 AM) *
I don't like how the OP just rants about and then leaves, looks like he was deliberately trying to stir trouble?


You guys have already KILLED the thread as soon as I finished the posting of the message...so what is left to talk about ?

QUOTE(SeanMoran @ Aug 26 2008, 08:41 AM) *
We're lucky to have someone like Hafiz here working for us, even if we disagree at times.
We shouldn't shoot the messenger. beerchug.gif


The reason I posted the message was because not many of us [Chinese] know about what happened in the past. I didn't compose the message but got it from another message board and I thought it would be nice to share it will all of us here as a history lesson since not many of us are aware of what happened in the past to many Chinese people who lived Overseas in the old days.
JohnnyReb
Hafiz, I was not aware of many of these incidents. I appreciate your efforts in providing this information. Keep it up!
GentleWind
QUOTE(InitialDJay @ Aug 27 2008, 12:25 AM) *
the national ghost day should be attribute to these victims.

i agree, we should remember it but not seeking for revenge.

lets it go, even if we kill the whole world, those people can't be brought back.



does this mean the gate of hell is open on that day
TylerDurden
My view point is to be aware of history, learn from it and vow to never repeat the same mistakes again. After 1949, the CCP vowed that China will never be split up and will always be united. I say they are doing a good job, a united nationalistic populace always results to an eventually strong powerful nation. Together we stand, divided we fall.

The horrible incidents in the past are a reminder to rulers what mistakes are to be avoided. China 1800s to 1949 is basically like Middle east of present.

Like the fall of any empire, the last emperors/rulers are the once who got complacent playing the rigged card games. This is what is happening on the White western rulers at the moment, they are so used to playing rigged card games that they assume the real games will also end similarly as a rigged game. We are witnessing the end of Pax Britania and Pax Americana at the moment. In 20-30 years (if there is no war) I can see the miraculous rise of China will be fulfilled. Any war between this point in time can only hasten the demise of western civilization. With the white folks on the verge of duking it all out (because of Georgia), I can see China scooping up the world eventually just like the US did after the end of the war as long as it came unscathed.

As for the future of western europeans and America, I see the fall of their empires is a rejoyful celebration among human civilization in general. They have been the worst rulers the world has ever known, over the years they have slaughtered so many people creating the disaster that is the world today. I think with China heading a uni polar world, things will be much more at peace, as chinese are concerned we are more concerned on making money, hopefully the future rulers make sure not to get complacent, maintain the military up to date as military power goes hand in hand with economic power. You need your military to maintain your economic rules.
Hafiz
QUOTE(JohnnyReb @ Aug 27 2008, 11:12 AM) *
Hafiz, I was not aware of many of these incidents. I appreciate your efforts in providing this information. Keep it up!


Thanks embarassedlaugh.gif

QUOTE(TylerDurden @ Aug 27 2008, 12:29 PM) *
My view point is to be aware of history, learn from it and vow to never repeat the same mistakes again. After 1949, the CCP vowed that China will never be split up and will always be united. I say they are doing a good job, a united nationalistic populace always results to an eventually strong powerful nation. Together we stand, divided we fall.

The horrible incidents in the past are a reminder to rulers what mistakes are to be avoided. China 1800s to 1949 is basically like Middle east of present.

Like the fall of any empire, the last emperors/rulers are the once who got complacent playing the rigged card games. This is what is happening on the White western rulers at the moment, they are so used to playing rigged card games that they assume the real games will also end similarly as a rigged game. We are witnessing the end of Pax Britania and Pax Americana at the moment. In 20-30 years (if there is no war) I can see the miraculous rise of China will be fulfilled. Any war between this point in time can only hasten the demise of western civilization. With the white folks on the verge of duking it all out (because of Georgia), I can see China scooping up the world eventually just like the US did after the end of the war as long as it came unscathed.

As for the future of western europeans and America, I see the fall of their empires is a rejoyful celebration among human civilization in general. They have been the worst rulers the world has ever known, over the years they have slaughtered so many people creating the disaster that is the world today. I think with China heading a uni polar world, things will be much more at peace, as chinese are concerned we are more concerned on making money, hopefully the future rulers make sure not to get complacent, maintain the military up to date as military power goes hand in hand with economic power. You need your military to maintain your economic rules.


Yup we should always look back and learn from history. Or else there would be another Nanking Massacre or another Opium War.
LeRoi
QUOTE(Hafiz @ Aug 28 2008, 07:51 AM) *
Thanks embarassedlaugh.gif
Yup we should always look back and learn from history. Or else there would be another Nanking Massacre or another Opium War.


Are you scared? Is it true that you depend on China to protect you when you live abroad? You are worried about your personal safety, yes? I'm very good at psychology and what people think.
Hafiz
QUOTE(LeRoi @ Aug 28 2008, 08:23 AM) *
Are you scared? Is it true that you depend on China to protect you when you live abroad? You are worried about your personal safety, yes? I'm very good at psychology and what people think.


Oh we have a troll who have just signed up with a new account.
LeRoi
QUOTE(Hafiz @ Aug 28 2008, 08:58 AM) *
Oh we have a troll who have just signed up with a new account.


I just don't get why you are so "concerned" about some of China's nasty past. China is alive and well.... I just do not understand your intention. confused.gif What is your role in this topic? Are you worried about something, or merely wanna us to think about something?
Hafiz
QUOTE(LeRoi @ Aug 28 2008, 08:59 AM) *
I just don't get why you are so "concerned" about some of China's nasty past. China is alive and well.... I just do not understand your intention. confused.gif


Why are you so concerned about people knowing about what happened in the past ? Did your ancestors took part in the killing of innocents Chinese living abroad ?
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