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Cambodia mulls allowing foreigners to buy property

PHNOM PENH (AFP) — The Cambodian government is considering allowing foreign ownership of property such as apartments and office buildings to boost the country's economic growth, an official said Wednesday.

Under the current rules, foreign property investments can only be made through the name of a Cambodian national, and many are unwilling to risk losing their assets to unscrupulous local partners.

Information Minister Khieu Kanharith said the government is evaluating the policy to ensure that foreigners will be allowed to own buildings and apartments but not land.

"The important thing is that foreigners cannot own land... They can buy things above the ground only," Khieu Kanharith told AFP.

He said that the plan would attract more foreign investment and more skilled foreign workers to the impoverished nation.

"This policy will boost our economic growth," Khieu Kanharith added.

The move comes after the private sector last year urged the government to allow foreign ownership of certain properties like apartments or factories, saying a liberalised real estate market would spur the economy.

Cambodia's investment law was amended in 2005 to allow foreign ownership of buildings, but the legislation has yet to be implemented and the initiative has floundered.

Despite current restrictions, billion-dollar skyscraper projects and sprawling satellite cities promising to radically alter Phnom Penh have bloomed over the past few years.

They are mainly backed by South Korean companies working through local partners.

After decades of turmoil, Cambodia has emerged as a rising economy in the region -- posting average 11 percent growth over the past three years on the back of strong tourism and garment sectors.

But officials warn that the country, which still relies on international aid for half of its annual budget, must diversify by seeking more varied foreign investments.

AFP
SidewayZ
good idea i reckon _b
Guyer
I think it's good. Cambodia needs as much foreign capital as possible to help rebuild herself and this is one way of doing it.

SeanMoran
QUOTE(Guyer @ Aug 30 2008, 01:00 AM) *
I think it's good. Cambodia needs as much foreign capital as possible to help rebuild herself and this is one way of doing it.

Limit foreign ownership to apartments only above the third storey of blocks, but allow 49% foreign ownership of proprietory limited companies which may own freehold property. beerchug.gif
Super Khmer
The new laws will allow foreigners to buy properties (houses) not sections (land).

http://www.rfa.org/khmer/indepth/foreigner...2008035250.html

I think it's good if they handle this properly.
superlottoplaya
i have no comment on this. at least they won't own the land. at that point its just like mobile homes. u own the home, but u pay land rent to the owner of the land. might be a way so that cambodians in the countryside can develop faster get money pooring into their region by letting investors invest in their land which they own but they collect profits from it too because we rent it out. cambodia is such a natural rich region that people want to invest there. also, its not overly populated, thus, every cambodian person has a big chunk of land which they can become their own entrepeneur by having outside people develop their land for them. while they collect rent to give them money to spend in a developing country. i think it might be better then leasing the land but then again leasing is temporary while give ownership means the only way to get the investor out is to buy it back. imagine all of the countryside khmers living in the coastal regions that own the land there that would be great for tourist attractions.

they don't have the means of investing their land because they have no money. but, if an overseas investor goes there and ask whose land is this. its gonna be a khmer person and he says well if u want to develop a hotel, u can, but u have to pay this much rent to me. not too bad.
SeanMoran
QUOTE(Super Khmer @ Aug 30 2008, 01:08 AM) *
The new laws will allow foreigners to buy properties (houses) not sections (land).

http://www.rfa.org/khmer/indepth/foreigner...2008035250.html

I think it's good if they handle this properly.


Does that include free-standing houses situated on a single lot of land? That might be where the problems start to develop. Maybe just limit it to first floor apartments and above, then there's never any confusion as to what they're actually buying. beerchug.gif
khunshaw
QUOTE(SeanMoran @ Aug 29 2008, 05:16 PM) *
Does that include free-standing houses situated on a single lot of land? That might be where the problems start to develop. Maybe just limit it to first floor apartments and above, then there's never any confusion as to what they're actually buying. beerchug.gif

I can imagine that on scenic Cambodian countryside, elegant foreign private club house on the beautiful golf course with 99 years land lease posted the sign on the entrance gate read as follow,
NO DOGS AND CAMBODIAN MAY ENTER.

This happened in Hong Kong during the British colonization there.
KhmerLove
of cousre, they can't buy first floor. If it's the house, they can't own the land, only the house belong to them.

Yah, it's some kind of good, but the property price will be very hight. Thus, it seem to hard for local people to buy one.
SeanMoran
QUOTE(khunshaw @ Aug 30 2008, 01:25 AM) *
I can imagine that on scenic Cambodian countryside, elegant foreign private club house on the beautiful golf course with 99 years land lease posted the sign on the entrance gate read as follow,
NO DOGS AND CAMBODIAN MAY ENTER.

This happened in Hong Kong during the British colonization there.

Cambodia is not a British colony.

Australia had a foreign ownership policy in place a few years back, and I don't know whether they still do, but foreigners were allowed to buy new houses, but not existing houses.

This was partly implemented to heal a flailing construction industry, but it also allowed for an injection of foreign capital ONLY into the subsectors of the real estate industry where it would create work. Selling real estate doesn't lay a single brick apart from the ones they use to knock the signs into the verge with.
superlottoplaya
QUOTE(khunshaw @ Aug 29 2008, 07:25 PM) *
I can imagine that on scenic Cambodian countryside, elegant foreign private club house on the beautiful golf course with 99 years land lease posted the sign on the entrance gate read as follow,
NO DOGS AND CAMBODIAN MAY ENTER.

This happened in Hong Kong during the British colonization there.


but thats leasing. leasing is good in that u know eventually u will take over and own whatever they develop, but in the meantime, u get nothing but the jobs that are creating. but u will get land development. renting, gives the locals a means of going into investment with foreigners within themselves by saying hey, u want to develop something here. i own the land. develop it, but u pay rent to me. or better yet, u go into business with them also. it also gives confidence to the investor because he knows he owns it legitimately. he doesn't have to trust the person won't break out on them.
SeanMoran
QUOTE(superlottoplaya @ Aug 30 2008, 01:41 AM) *
but thats leasing. leasing is good in that u know eventually u will take over and own whatever they develop, but in the meantime, u get nothing but the jobs that are creating. but u will get land development. renting, gives the locals a means of going into investment with foreigners within themselves by saying hey, u want to develop something here. i own the land. develop it, but u pay rent to me.

Sounds like you picture this set of rules rather unilaterally to me. nono.gif
superlottoplaya
QUOTE(SeanMoran @ Aug 29 2008, 07:43 PM) *
Sounds like you picture this set of rules rather unilaterally to me. nono.gif


well, ofcourse i don't think that way, it benefits everyone. here's how it benefits a countryside that has very little money flowing into it. say for instance, the road from phnom penh to siem reap is a very busy highway. and along the way is a rural countryside with old style homes. imagine investors thinking this route would be good to open up hotels and restaurants. well, in order to invest, they would need approval of the owner of the land. he in return can approve it or not. at that point its like him going into investment with the other person. and most of those clients will be either tourists or locals who have money themselves already. which means it doesn't really take from the impoverish khmers, but only gives them a means of doing something with their land.
SeanMoran
QUOTE(superlottoplaya @ Aug 30 2008, 01:48 AM) *
well, ofcourse i don't think that way, it benefits everyone.

The leasing idea is rather less marketable than what they would appear to be about to do. Basically amounts to getting money for nothing, the leasing idea.

khunshaw
QUOTE(superlottoplaya @ Aug 29 2008, 05:41 PM) *
but thats leasing. leasing is good in that u know eventually u will take over and own whatever they develop, but in the meantime, u get nothing but the jobs that are creating. but u will get land development. renting, gives the locals a means of going into investment with foreigners within themselves by saying hey, u want to develop something here. i own the land. develop it, but u pay rent to me. or better yet, u go into business with them also. it also gives confidence to the investor because he knows he owns it legitimately. he doesn't have to trust the person won't break out on them.

If they are allowed to 99 years land lease on fertile agricultural land, their food products will be sold and distributed to other nations.
Who will benefit most? In 10 years, the food products will be scare and very expensive like petroleum. Big multinational corporations can easily afford to buy corrupted politicians.
Guyer
QUOTE(khunshaw @ Aug 29 2008, 06:57 PM) *
If they are allowed to 99 years land lease on fertile agricultural land, their food products will be sold and distributed to other nations.
Who will benefit most? In 10 years, the food products will be scare and very expensive like petroleum. Big multinational corporations can easily afford to buy corrupted politicians.



And corrupted politicians can easily kick out big multinational corporations, so I don't see your point.
SeanMoran
QUOTE(khunshaw @ Aug 30 2008, 01:57 AM) *
If they are allowed to 99 years land lease on fertile agricultural land, their food products will be sold and distributed to other nations.
Who will benefit most? In 10 years, the food products will be scare and very expensive like petroleum. Big multinational corporations can easily afford to buy corrupted politicians.

It really should be restricted to urban city apartments, for that reason among others. beerchug.gif
khunshaw
QUOTE(Guyer @ Aug 29 2008, 05:59 PM) *
And corrupted politicians can easily kick out big multinational corporations, so I don't see your point.

Big multinational corporations can lobby the corrupted politicians to gradually amend the land lease law to their benefits.
They will kick the honest politicians out first.
superlottoplaya
QUOTE(Guyer @ Aug 29 2008, 07:59 PM) *
And corrupted politicians can easily kick out big multinational corporations, so I don't see your point.


i think this idea might be better for overall development because of the fact that it might increase foreign confidence in investment. the benefit for foreign investors is that they can open something now an sell it later for a higher price when the country develops even more. possibly to a local cambodian person who has made his way to the top. in the end, it benefits everyone.
khunshaw
QUOTE(SeanMoran @ Aug 29 2008, 06:01 PM) *
It really should be restricted to urban city apartments, for that reason among others. beerchug.gif

The restrictions can eventually be eased with the lobbyists. biggthumpup.gif
khunshaw
QUOTE(superlottoplaya @ Aug 29 2008, 06:03 PM) *
i think this idea might be better for overall development because of the fact that it might increase foreign confidence in investment. the benefit for foreign investors is that they can open something now an sell it later for a higher price when the country develops even more. possibly to a local cambodian person who has made his way to the top. in the end, it benefits everyone.

I hope so. I just offer the second opinion that may be an indication of the disadvantage to the country.
Guyer
QUOTE(khunshaw @ Aug 29 2008, 07:03 PM) *
Big multinational corporations can lobby the corrupted politicians to gradually amend the land lease law to their benefits.
They will kick the honest politicians out first.


True, I guess it all depends on how the Cambodian government handle the situation.
topmodelhi5
QUOTE(khunshaw @ Aug 29 2008, 08:05 PM) *
The restrictions can eventually be eased with the lobbyists. biggthumpup.gif


It's a great idea to boost FDI. You can see examples from other Asian countries like Thailand and the Philiphines!
P05T312
in terms of investment, it sounds like a good idea for foreigners to own the things on top of the land but not the land
tonyyayo
sounds like i can invest there.
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