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CheolSu
Do people on here have an opinion on McCain? I think he could be considered a war criminal, but because he's a Republican candidate and this is America no one will dare to call him that.
SoCal
QUOTE(CheolSu @ Sep 2 2008, 05:15 AM) *
Do people on here have an opinion on McCain? I think he could be considered a war criminal, but because he's a Republican candidate and this is America no one will dare to call him that.



Senator John McCain and Senator John Kerry were the two proponents who advocated the normalization between the United States and Vietnam in 1995. Without Senator John McCain and Senator John Kerry, the normalization would not happen. This policy plays a significant factor in helping Vietnam achieving 8% annual return since 1995.


Please vote for John McCain for the President of the United States of America.
XigonCongchua
yea yea but he's a hard-core Christian and he's supporting the Catholic riot in Vietnam. So no no for him.
orient
Vote Obama-Biden biggthumpup.gif
SoCal
Please vote for McCain/Palin this November. They are for free trades; while Obama/Biden oppose free trades.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080821...erg/aetfa73am7a

No Grudge

Still, he says he bears no grudge against the Vietnamese and led the way, with Senator John Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, to restoring relations 13 years ago, providing cover for President Bill Clinton from conservatives. He has returned to the Southeast Asian nation almost a dozen times.

McCain's efforts were closely watched by some of those who knew him in captivity, including Duyet, 75, the former Hanoi Hilton commander.

The retired colonel likes to pretend he could vote for McCain, turning old envelopes from his prison days into make- believe ballots, writing out his preference for McCain. ``I would vote for John McCain,'' Duyet, speaking with the government's permission, said at his home in Haiphong. He denied any torture took place under his watch.

`Frankenstein'

A McCain victory would lead to closer bilateral ties and possibly a free-trade accord, said the former warden, whose appearance and past job description correspond with a camp commander the American POWs called ```Frankenstein, for his bulging forehead and numerous facial warts,'' according to McCain's book.

While McCain has made free trade a key platform of his campaign, Democrat Barack Obama has been more skeptical, pledging to rework the North American Free Trade Agreement and opposing pending deals with Colombia and South Korea.
Like other Communist Party officials, Duyet sees no tension between the premium he now places on chasing profit in the global economy and the doctrines upon which a united Vietnam was founded.

``Lenin once said that he would spend a huge amount of money to hire a good capitalist'' to help him run the economy, said Duyet, who still considers himself a communist.

The byproducts of capitalism -- and consumerism -- can be seen in Hanoi's traffic knots. Its streets, once the domain of bicycles and motor scooters, are choked with newly purchased sport-utility vehicles.

Fake Armanis

Electronic stock tickers adorn the front of banks. Much of the old Hanoi Hilton, built by the French colonialists, was demolished to make way for an office park. A small museum remains. Inside, across an exhibit depicting a French guard beating a Vietnamese prisoner, a stall sells fake Armani and Hugo Boss ties.

Trade has been embraced by the government as the fastest way to make Vietnam a ``middle-income country,'' said Ayumi Konishi, the Asian Development Bank country director for Vietnam.

Vietnam's exports for the first part of this year have increased more than 30 percent. ``It's not at all a communist country,'' Konishi said.

Still, some older Vietnamese hold grudges against the American pilots, said Phuong, the newspaper editor. They join with another group, where Obama has strong support, he said.

``The young people, especially the ladies, prefer Obama,'' he said.





Cindy McCain, who went to Vietnam and helped Vietnamese people icon_smile.gif







JohnnyWoo
QUOTE
Do people on here have an opinion on McCain? I think he could be considered a war criminal, but because he\'s a Republican candidate and this is America no one will dare to call him that.


A war criminal? What did he do that violated the rules of war?
SoCal
Guess how many times has Senator McCain visited Vietnam, compared to Senator Obama?


Hint, hint, please read below. icon_smile.gif


If Senator McCain has visited Vietnam more than 10 times, then what does it mean?



Still, he says he bears no grudge against the Vietnamese and led the way, with Senator John Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat, to restoring relations 13 years ago, providing cover for President Bill Clinton from conservatives. He has returned to the Southeast Asian nation almost a dozen times.
Englanda
QUOTE(SoCal @ Sep 2 2008, 07:33 AM) *
Senator John McCain and Senator John Kerry were the two proponents who advocated the normalization between the United States and Vietnam in 1995. Without Senator John McCain and Senator John Kerry, the normalization would not happen. This policy plays a significant factor in helping Vietnam achieving 8% annual return since 1995.
Please vote for John McCain for the President of the United States of America.

My china friend, you and I and other Asians are nuthing but goo ks to McCain.

America would have established relations with Vietnam regardless of McCain because American and world opinion were in favour of it
icon_smile.gif (I have no proof, only remember seeing something of that nature on TV)
SoCal
QUOTE(Englanda @ Sep 4 2008, 05:32 PM) *
My china friend, you and I and other Asians are nuthing but goo ks to McCain.

America would have established relations with Vietnam regardless of McCain because American and world opinion were in favour of it
icon_smile.gif (I have no proof, only remember seeing something of that nature on TV)



Please provide facts of how Senator Obama will help Vietnam if he is elected. confused.gif

Englanda
QUOTE(SoCal @ Sep 4 2008, 07:36 PM) *
Please provide facts of how Senator Obama will help Vietnam if he is elected. confused.gif

Please refer to earlier reply by Xigon.

I think it's a question of the "lesser of the two evils". We in the 3rd World want to hear some peace talk from America, not war war war
TrungSon
While I admire John McCain's willingness to stick with Iraq, there are times when willingness becomes stubborness. We should not just abandon the Iraqi people. We need to financially help them rebuild their country.

As far as who I'm voting for. Obama/Biden.

1. Universal Healthcare
2. Keep American Jobs in America (What a novel concept!)
3. Lift the dark cynicism that has plaque America for far too long.
tdo722
QUOTE(TrungSon @ Sep 4 2008, 06:53 PM) *
While I admire John McCain's willingness to stick with Iraq, there are times when willingness becomes stubborness. We should not just abandon the Iraqi people. We need to financially help them rebuild their country.

As far as who I'm voting for. Obama/Biden.

1. Universal Healthcare
2. Keep American Jobs in America (What a novel concept!)
3. Lift the dark cynicism that has plaque America for far too long.



Universal Healthcare? Are you kidding me?

1) Mexican and Blacks will rob your tax dollars just like what they're doing now with welfare, food stamps. We're paying for their hospital bills and they're still illegal residents of this country. Imagine Universal health care is in place. Hell, Mexican will make the country becomes a 3rd world country like Vietnam. Why do you think Canada, USA, Mexico on the same continent but only Canada and USA are 1st class, upper income countries and Mexico is still a 3rd world country? Why??? You ever think about that?
2) Really crappy service at the government health clinics. You'll be waiting in line along with blacks and mexicans. It's not a pretty scene.
Gene
universal health care? alright I'm going with obama bin laden.
tdo722
QUOTE(Gene @ Sep 4 2008, 08:33 PM) *
universal health care? alright I'm going with obama bin laden.



Universal Healthcare? Are you kidding me?

1) Mexican and Blacks will rob your tax dollars just like what they're doing now with welfare, food stamps. We're paying for their hospital bills and they're still illegal residents of this country. Imagine Universal health care is in place. Hell, Mexican will make the country becomes a 3rd world country like Vietnam. Why do you think Canada, USA, Mexico on the same continent but only Canada and USA are 1st class, upper income countries and Mexico is still a 3rd world country? Why??? You ever think about that?
2) Really crappy service at the government health clinics. You'll be waiting in line along with blacks and mexicans. It's not a pretty scene.
Gene
i rarely get sick, it must be good genetic. If I do it will be rarely so I don't mind about the waiting inline part.

BTW Canada has universal health care.
tdo722
I want to vote for Obama but if he's sticking with Universal Health Care, screw him and Joe Biden.

Why?

1. I don't want to go to work 8-5 paying medical bills for the Mexican and the ghetto Blacks abusing the system. Especially the illegal immigrant Mexicans.
2. If I have cancer, I have to wait for millions of Mexican and Blacks in front of me waiting to get treated before it gets to my turn. Yea very smart, voting for Universal Health Care. fu-king morons.
XigonCongchua
the private insurance companies are already robbing a huge amount of money from every single citizen of the US already.

Canada, England, France, Norway and many European countries are having universal health care and their health standards are a lot higher than the one in the US.
Gene
tough luck coz I'm voting for Obama laugh.gif
tdo722
QUOTE(Gene @ Sep 4 2008, 08:37 PM) *
i rarely get sick, it must be good genetic. If I do it will be rarely so I don't mind about the waiting inline part.

BTW Canada has universal health care.



Canada has universal health care because they do not have blacks and mexicans.

Do you ever go skiing or snowboarding? Do you ever see a single mexican or black on the mountain? There's only two kinds of people on the mountain. Either us Asian or White. Mexican and Blacks do not like extreme cold weather and therefore, Canada is never a place for blacks and mexicans
XigonCongchua
Why are you racist against Black and Mexican citizens? They wouldn't take as much money from you as the big insurance companies.

I rather let the poor people have my money than the super rich owners of insurance companies.
VietPunk
QUOTE(XigonCongchua @ Sep 4 2008, 05:42 PM) *
yea yea but he's a hard-core Christian and he's supporting the Catholic riot in Vietnam. So no no for him.


what catholic riot?
Gene
QUOTE(tdo722 @ Sep 4 2008, 10:41 PM) *
Canada has universal health care because they do not have blacks and mexicans.

Do you ever go skiing or snowboarding? Do you ever see a single mexican or black on the mountain? There's only two kinds of people on the mountain. Either us Asian or White. Mexican and Blacks do not like extreme cold weather and therefore, Canada is never a place for blacks and mexicans



Racisttttt
tdo722
QUOTE(XigonCongchua @ Sep 4 2008, 08:42 PM) *
Why are you racist against Black and Mexican citizens? They wouldn't take as much money from you as the big insurance companies.

I rather let the poor people have my money than the super rich owners of insurance companies.



I'm a racist. Why? Because growing in America, it's in our blood. When was the last time you check your blood.


1. In America, the top dogs are White. Asian, Blacks, Mexicans gamble for the 2nd spot. Muslims, sorry they're not even on the list.
2. Asian being prejudiced in the work place, financial system, health care system, etc. Almost anything that has to do a comparison and we're always 2nd best below the whites. That's okay. I accept that fact that we will never be better than white. But, we have to be better than blacks and Mexicans.
XigonCongchua
some Catholic are trying to take back some building that they claimed belonged to Catholicism 50 years ago. icon_rolleyes.gif That is pretty lame. If they want to talk about "original owners" I'll say it was a Buddhist temple, then the French invaded Vietnam and gave that building to the Catholics. So shouldn't Buddhists be the rightful owners of that building?
tdo722
I bet none of you guys know how the government would fund universal health care system.

Anyone? I don't think so...
Gene
Now I want to vote for Obama even more. laugh.gif
XigonCongchua
from our tax

it wouldn't hurt much if people of the middle and upper class pay a little bit more money knowing that the money will help save life of millions. Instead of paying the insurance company, you're paying higher taxes to the government. What's the big difference?
Gene
People who can afford health care doesn't want everybody else to have it and try to convince you otherwise. Plus they don't want to pay taxes, those money they can use to buy more useless $hit that they don't need.

Taxes are the price we pay for civilization.

@Xigon still want me to make you a sig? I took some time to learn photoshop....
tdo722
There's only 1 way to fund Universal Health System.


--- Raising income tax. In America, we are at 30% tax brackets for most vietnamese (avg vietnamese making $75K yearly)


France, 52.75% income tax for $75K or higher
UK 55% income tax...
Canada 50% income tax...


What the hell does that number all mean? Well if USA has Universal health care, IRS will rob every single penny that you have to pay the hospital bills for Mexicans and Blacks.

Avg family health care cost per year does not even exceed $6K a year. Yet, with Universal Health Care, us Vietnamese parents will need to work harder to make ends meet because that $75K yearly got taxed twice as much now. We all end up losing at least $15K a year.

While the blacks and mexicans gain that $15K a year toward their free hospital bills. Wait, even illegal immigrants are free as well.


THAT'S UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR YOU IN AMERICA. fu-king idiots. You guys are making me embarrass of my Vietnamese genes. We are born to be smart. Well this is not smart at all if you idiots are voting for Universal health care.
XigonCongchua
QUOTE(Gene @ Sep 4 2008, 08:55 PM) *
People who can afford health care doesn't want everybody else to have it and try to convince you otherwise. Plus they don't want to pay taxes, those money they can use to buy more useless $hit that they don't need.

Taxes are the price we pay for civilization.

True. Without taxes you can't have nice roads, high ways, airports, police, teachers...no society will function without people paying taxes.
tdo722
Here's the number in black and white for you to see:


1. Avg Vietnamese family, we are middleclass, if you clowns haven't figured that out yet, we are mostly middleclass, not lower class.
2. $75K * 30% = $52K we bring home a year
3. With Universal Health Care $75K * 50% = $37K we bring home a year
4. $52K - $37K = $15K


We will be losing $15K to Mexicans and Blacks. Hey, I'm Vietnamese, I'm middle class, and I know 80% to 90% of all vietnamese are in middle class, we do not want to pay hospital bills for Mexicans and Blacks. Okay?


Avg cost of health care a year for my middle class vietnamese family is around $6K. But with Universal Health Care, fu-k, I'm paying $15K a year. That's very smart geniuses....
Gene
There are three kind of taxes:

Ability-to-pay principle;
states that those who can afford to pay more taxes than others should be required to do so.

progressive tax:
a tax that collects a higher percentage of high incomes than of low incomes

proportional tax:
a tax that collects the same percentage of high incomes as low incomes.

It's pretty flexible....yay for universal health care and Obama.

^___^
XigonCongchua
QUOTE(Gene @ Sep 4 2008, 08:55 PM) *
People who can afford health care doesn't want everybody else to have it and try to convince you otherwise. Plus they don't want to pay taxes, those money they can use to buy more useless $hit that they don't need.

Taxes are the price we pay for civilization.

@Xigon still want me to make you a sig? I took some time to learn photoshop....

sure, but I'll talk to you detailedly about it over the weekend biggrin.gif


QUOTE(tdo722 @ Sep 4 2008, 08:58 PM) *
There's only 1 way to fund Universal Health System.
--- Raising income tax. In America, we are at 30% tax brackets for most vietnamese (avg vietnamese making $75K yearly)
France, 52.75% income tax for $75K or higher
UK 55% income tax...
Canada 50% income tax...
What the hell does that number all mean? Well if USA has Universal health care, IRS will rob every single penny that you have to pay the hospital bills for Mexicans and Blacks.

Avg family health care cost per year does not even exceed $6K a year. Yet, with Universal Health Care, us Vietnamese parents will need to work harder to make ends meet because that $75K yearly got taxed twice as much now. We all end up losing at least $15K a year.

While the blacks and mexicans gain that $15K a year toward their free hospital bills. Wait, even illegal immigrants are free as well.
THAT'S UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE FOR YOU IN AMERICA. fu-king idiots. You guys are making me embarrass of my Vietnamese genes. We are born to be smart. Well this is not smart at all if you idiots are voting for Universal health care.

If I'm a doctor and I make $120 K a year, I can still live with $60 K (paying 50% of the taxes to the govt) instead of $84 K (paying 30% of the taxes to the govt).
VietPunk
QUOTE(XigonCongchua @ Sep 4 2008, 10:47 PM) *
some Catholic are trying to take back some building that they claimed belonged to Catholicism 50 years ago. icon_rolleyes.gif That is pretty lame. If they want to talk about "original owners" I'll say it was a Buddhist temple, then the French invaded Vietnam and gave that building to the Catholics. So shouldn't Buddhists be the rightful owners of that building?


how far are you going to go back to say who owns the land? so why not give of vn back to cambodia?

do you know the definition of a riot? are you just stupid or is your english limited? are you red stained enough to roll your eyes and label things you know $hit about "lame"?
tdo722
How old are are you kids anyway? I don't think you guys understand the important complications of a Universal health care system.

It's just like Marxism. It looks really good in theory and on paper but when China, Russia, Vietnam executed, we all can see clearly Capitalism is still the best form.


Tu' Ba?n all the way, baby!
XigonCongchua
oh so now you see my point. The building already has a new owner and no longer belongs to the Catholic.

Sorry I provided a news that offended a Catholic like you.

Definitions of riot on the Web:

* a public act of violence by an unruly mob
* rioting: a state of disorder involving group violence
* belly laugh: a joke that seems extremely funny
* take part in a riot; disturb the public peace by engaging in a riot; "Students were rioting everywhere in 1968"
* carouse: engage in boisterous, drunken merrymaking; "They were out carousing last night"
* orgy: a wild gathering involving excessive drinking and promiscuity
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
Gene
QUOTE(tdo722 @ Sep 4 2008, 11:12 PM) *
How old are are you kids anyway? I don't think you guys understand the important complications of a Universal health care system.

It's just like Marxism. It looks really good in theory and on paper but when China, Russia, Vietnam executed, we all can see clearly Capitalism is still the best form.
Tu' Ba?n all the way, baby!


U.S is a mixed economy of command-and-control and free market(capitalism).

^___^
tdo722
QUOTE(VietPunk @ Sep 4 2008, 09:04 PM) *
how far are you going to go back to say who owns the land? so why not give of vn back to cambodia?

do you know the definition of a riot? are you just stupid or is your english limited? are you red stained enough to roll your eyes and label things you know $hit about "lame"?



Hey stop calling people names and be so mean. Never mind. I'm the same. We're Vietnamese. icon_smile.gif
XigonCongchua
tdo722 nếu thật là người Việt thì viết tiếng Việt trả lời cho xem thử đi.
tdo722
Em muon anh noi gi day.
tdo722
Dung co Vote "universal health care system".


It's not good for us vietnamese as a whole. Believe me!
VietPunk
QUOTE(XigonCongchua @ Sep 4 2008, 11:13 PM) *
oh so now you see my point. The building already has a new owner and no longer belongs to the Catholic.

Sorry I provided a news that offended a Catholic like you.

Definitions of riot on the Web:

* a public act of violence by an unruly mob
* rioting: a state of disorder involving group violence
* belly laugh: a joke that seems extremely funny
* take part in a riot; disturb the public peace by engaging in a riot; "Students were rioting everywhere in 1968"
* carouse: engage in boisterous, drunken merrymaking; "They were out carousing last night"
* orgy: a wild gathering involving excessive drinking and promiscuity
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn


because ma'y tha`ng viet cong con cha'u tha`ng cho' de~ ho chi minh likes oppression and hate freedom of religion
tdo722
This is how I see it:


1. Middle class preventing Universal Health Care. We can barely afford to pump gas to go to work when it's $4.25 a gal.
2. Upper class of course preventing Universal Health Care
3. Lower class mostly Mexicans and Blacks and very few percentage of Vietnamese wants Universal Health Care
landsknechts
QUOTE(VietPunk @ Sep 4 2008, 09:20 PM) *
because ma'y tha`ng viet cong con cha'u tha`ng cho' de~ ho chi minh likes oppression and hate freedom of religion

lol, freedom of religion in Vietnam is reserved only for the Buddhists. Don't believe me, just search for how many Buddhist temples are granted permission to build vs churches LOL
tdo722
Only the poor wants Universal Health Care.

Why does the poor wants Universal Health Care?

1. They don't want to go to work. Get welfare, food stamps and have us Vietnamese pay the hospital bills.
2. They are lazy and will continue to be lazy forever. Cam on Thuong De ban cho tat ca bon lam bieng, thanh Obese. icon_smile.gif
XigonCongchua
tại sao thế? hàng ngàn hàng vạn mạng người sẽ được cứu sống nếu có universial health care. sao bạn không nghĩ đến những trẻ em không may mắc những căn bệnh hiểm nghèo phải nằm nhà chờ chết từng ngày vì họ không có insurance?
tdo722
Because perhaps those kids will one day grow up to be rapists, gangsters, thieves. Growing up in the ghetto will shape the way you live forever.


Blacks and Mexicans need to take responsibility. Get their lazy butt up and go to work like us Vietnamese. We come to this country. We work hard as hell.

Remember, all Viet Kieus cay met nghi. Now do you see the Blacks and Mexicans like that? I don't think so.
XigonCongchua
QUOTE(tdo722 @ Sep 4 2008, 09:23 PM) *
Only the poor wants Universal Health Care.

Why does the poor wants Universal Health Care?

1. They don't want to go to work. Get welfare, food stamps and have us Vietnamese pay the hospital bills.
2. They are lazy and will continue to be lazy forever. Cam on Thuong De ban cho tat ca bon lam bieng, thanh Obese. icon_smile.gif

ironically enough you're mocking what the previous generation of Vietnamese in US did.

Vietnamese community was able to rise partly because of social welfare and help the US govt. Why don't you other ethnics to get the same kind of "help" that our people did when the first came to the US in the 1970s and 1980s?
tdo722
XigonCongChua oi. icon_smile.gif


Why vietnamese stay in middle class today and Blacks and Mexicans are still lower class citizens? You ever thought about that?

Vietnamese work harder. Who agreed with me here? If us Vietnamese are still lazy and abusing the welfare and food stamps system, then hey, I will be supporting Obama Universal Health Care system today.
XigonCongchua
QUOTE(tdo722 @ Sep 4 2008, 09:25 PM) *
Because perhaps those kids will one day grow up to be rapists, gangsters, thieves. Growing up in the ghetto will shape the way you live forever.
Blacks and Mexicans need to take responsibility. Get their lazy butt up and go to work like us Vietnamese. We come to this country. We work hard as hell.

Remember, all Viet Kieus cay met nghi. Now do you see the Blacks and Mexicans like that? I don't think so.

every kid has potential to be a doctor or engineer also ~ why don't think that those kids would grow up and become brilliant doctors and engineers who would contribute a lot to the society?

gangs exist in every ethnic, including Viet.
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