lluk
Sep 5 2008, 02:18 PM
Asian-Americans prefer Hillary and McCain
John F. Copper | 07 Mar 2008
The 2008 US presidential election contest has recently boiled down to three participants. Many Asians wonder how to assess them. One way is to look at what Asian American’s are saying and supporting. Senator Barack Obama, who is the frontrunner in most polls, grew up in Hawaii and probably understands Asian Americans better then the other presidential candidates. He is, also, a racial minority like them.
It seems odd, then, that Asian Americans favour Hillary Clinton and John McCain.
In the California, primary Hillary Clinton got the lion’s share of the Democratic Asian American vote. John McCain won the support of Republican Asian Americans. In New York Clinton got 86 percent of the Asian American Democrats’ vote. Overall McCain got 68 percent. This pattern is seen elsewhere. How does one explain this?
Senator Obama has made some gaffs. A member of Obama’s staff called Hillary “the Democrat from Punjab.” This angered some Asian Americans. Worse, Obama responded very equivocally to a question whether Asians should benefit from affirmative action (which currently hurts Asian Americans more than any other group, including whites).
Shortly after this former Delaware Lt. Governor S.B. Woo (a Chinese American) organised a movement to support Senator Clinton. Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindall (born in India) came out in support of Senator McCain.Asian American parents loath the fact affirmative action excludes many of their children from top American colleges and universities. Opinion surveys among Chinese Americans show that this has long been their most disliked aspect of American society.
Asian Americans generally perceive that Obama thinks affirmative action should help blacks and to a lesser extent other less fortunate (financially) and academically underperforming minority groups. Asians don’t fit this mould.But it is more than this. Asian Americans note that Obama’s support base is largely very rich white liberal Americans and blacks, neither of which they identify with very well.
Another matter that strikes Asians is the fact that Senator Obama is the favourite of the media and Hollywood. Asian Americans see both as biased toward them--in their news coverage and how Asians are depicted on screen.They similarly observe that during his political career Obama has done nothing worth mentioning for Asian Americans. They say that Hillary has. Or at least the Clinton administration did. Bill defended Wen Hou Lee. He improved US ties with Asia.
Though most Asian Americans live in Democratic states and are wooed by the Democratic Party, they are by culture and political philosophy conservative, which is why they also like Senator McCain. In fact, most Asian Americans are Democrats, but in recent years they have voted more often for Republican presidential candidates.
Besides their penchant for low taxes, less government and family values, one reason for this is that Asian Americans view Democrats (certainly more Obama than Hillary) as advocating trade protectionism, which they see as anti-Asia. Senator Obama has spoken out strongly against North American Free Trade Agreement and bilateral free trade treaties, voting against them (one with Peru just recently). He also opposes giving the president the authority to negotiate open trade agreements.
Asian Americans similarly see the critics of job outsourcing (both Obama and Clinton, but more Obama), as hostile toward Asia. They know that Democrats get their voting support from unions that rail against allowing America jobs to flee, but they believe free trade creates more jobs. Senator Obama is best known in the realm of US relations with Asia for his lambasting China for its unfair surplus and his proposed sanctions against Chinese toymakers—which even other protectionist Democrats did not support.
Asian American newspapers observe and report who is attentive to Asia’s success and its issues. One said recently that the presidential candidates had authored articles on their foreign policy views for the prestigious journal, Foreign Affairs. Senator Obama didn’t mention Asia until page 12, and then in the negative context of global warming. He gave little indication he realises Asia is growing in importance to the US. Hillary did better. McCain, who set forth clearly America’s goals and interests in Asia, did the best.
Finally, Asian Americans are aware of the important role the US has played, and still needs to play, in keeping Asia a secure region. Asia has engaged in regional and global commerce and has prospered because the US military has kept the peace in the area. Senator Obama’s hostile view toward America’s use of military power is not a good omen for Asia say a large number of Asians in the US.One has to conclude that Asian Americans are thinking more rationally than most Americans about their choice for president and that is why Senator Obama does not get as much support as the other two candidates.
asean.asia
Sep 5 2008, 02:41 PM
If we want to change from a Western World to an Asian World, we need WWIII. It's an opportunity for Asians to sit on the Westerners.

The man that can give WWIII is McCain (aka McBush)
coldsunlight
Sep 5 2008, 02:41 PM
do you know keating 5?
voting is for a better america, not about an already passed war. In other words, voting is for the future, not the past
tdo722
Sep 5 2008, 03:40 PM
Another nod for McCain from me. Obama is communist. He wants change. Change to what? Socialist?
There's only 1 change. Either Socialism or Capitalism. Who's here voting for Socialism?
Anyway, I think illuminati/luminati or masonic will take care of Obama either before or after he's in the office if he's elected.
lluk
Sep 5 2008, 06:01 PM
A vote for Obama = more taxes = more welfare benefits and affirmative action for black thugs.
tdo722
Sep 5 2008, 07:09 PM
Not only blacks, vote for Obama will benefit the illegal immigrants from Mexico as well. After 8yrs in office, Obama will turn USA into a 3rd world country, like Vietnam, or worst brainless Mexico.
I'd rather have the moron Bush in office for another 8yrs than Obama Bin Laden.
iRivers
Sep 5 2008, 07:17 PM
QUOTE(tdo722 @ Sep 5 2008, 04:40 PM)

Another nod for McCain from me. Obama is communist. He wants change. Change to what? Socialist?
There's only 1 change. Either Socialism or Capitalism. Who's here voting for Socialism?
Anyway, I think illuminati/luminati or masonic will take care of Obama either before or after he's in the office if he's elected.
...How is he a Communist if he's going to change to socialism? Communism=Socialism? Besides, no matter how socialist America get, it's just going to be a watered down version. Nowhere near that of France or the UK.
Ryoda
Sep 5 2008, 07:24 PM
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A vote for Obama = more taxes = more welfare benefits and affirmative action for black thugs.
That pretty much sums up the truth.
film4reel
Sep 5 2008, 07:26 PM
QUOTE(lluk @ Sep 5 2008, 07:01 PM)

A vote for Obama = more taxes = more welfare benefits and affirmative action for black thugs.
troll
QUOTE(tdo722 @ Sep 5 2008, 08:09 PM)

Not only blacks, vote for Obama will benefit the illegal immigrants from Mexico as well. After 8yrs in office, Obama will turn USA into a 3rd world country, like Vietnam, or worst brainless Mexico.
I'd rather have the moron Bush in office for another 8yrs than Obama Bin Laden.
troll
QUOTE(Ryoda @ Sep 5 2008, 08:24 PM)

That pretty much sums up the truth.
troll
iyahcure
Sep 5 2008, 07:28 PM
QUOTE(film4reel @ Sep 5 2008, 07:26 PM)

troll
troll
troll
sho nuff!!,sorry i had to sey it.lol
Ryoda
Sep 5 2008, 07:39 PM
QUOTE
troll
troll
troll
Heh, so troll = not Black friendly?
TINMAN
Sep 5 2008, 10:08 PM
QUOTE(tdo722 @ Sep 5 2008, 06:09 PM)

Not only blacks, vote for Obama will benefit the illegal immigrants from Mexico as well. After 8yrs in office, Obama will turn USA into a 3rd world country, like Vietnam, or worst brainless Mexico.
I'd rather have the moron Bush in office for another 8yrs than Obama Bin Laden.
Pretty harsh perspective.
Tav6
Sep 5 2008, 10:25 PM
to be honest that article is BS ... the reasons that they gave in the article as to why asians prefer McCain over Obama are not the main reason why asian don't like Obama
the real reason is that most asians looks down on black people and they will not going to vote for a black president ...
IMO McCain is worst than obama ... the only issue i have with obama is that i think he is too inexperience in economic issues to lead America ... initially i wanted Hillary clinton to win the democratic nomination for the white house because i think she has better economic plans than obama ... but now if i have to choose between obama or Mccain i would totally vote for obama because a vote for Mccain is like a vote for Bush for the 3rd terms
McCain plans are very similar to Bush and I don't want another "Bush" in the white house
TINMAN
Sep 5 2008, 10:50 PM
QUOTE(Tav6 @ Sep 5 2008, 09:25 PM)

. but now if i have to choose between obama or Mccain i would totally vote for obama because a vote for Mccain is like a vote for Bush for the 3rd terms
I'll take my chance with McCain who has executive leadership skills over Obama who has zero leadership experience. If you think being a community organizer and writing 2 memoirs meet the qualification of a president, then go ahead and vote for Obama.
Tav6
Sep 5 2008, 11:00 PM
QUOTE(TINMAN @ Sep 5 2008, 08:50 PM)

I'll take my chance with McCain who has executive leadership skills over Obama who has zero leadership experience. If you think being a community organizer and writing 2 memoirs meet the qualification of a president, then go ahead and vote for Obama.
okay if you want to pay $4 + gas then that's you but i don't want to pay more than $2 for my gas
tdo722
Sep 5 2008, 11:00 PM
McCain is not Bush. McCain has a brain. Bush, nada.
If you compare McCain to Bush is like comparing USA education level vs Mexico education level. Bush is brainless and so is Mexicans. We all know it. You just don't want to be the one that is speaking out.
Obama is smart. I have to admit and that is the truth. But, he's a communist.
"CHANGE", what kind of change? He will turn the capitalism of this country into a socialism system like Red China, Russia, or VN.
TINMAN
Sep 5 2008, 11:04 PM
If I tripped on the sidewalk, banged my head, developed amnesia, and thought I was gay...then yeah I'll vote for Obama.
tdo722
Sep 5 2008, 11:07 PM
QUOTE(iRivers @ Sep 5 2008, 05:17 PM)

...How is he a Communist if he's going to change to socialism? Communism=Socialism? Besides, no matter how socialist America get, it's just going to be a watered down version. Nowhere near that of France or the UK.
Communism, Democracy -> govt type
Socialism, Capitalism -> economic type
Communism goes with Socialism and Democracy goes with Capitalism.
tdo722
Sep 5 2008, 11:11 PM
But you guys don't have to worry. There's no way in hell Obama is going to win. Trust me on this. America is not ready for a Black President, Asian President, and of course not Mexican President.
2050 - 50% of the USA population are mostly hispanic. We will have our first Mexican president then. Only if these idiots know how to vote and fill out the ballot correctly.
TINMAN
Sep 5 2008, 11:16 PM
QUOTE(Tav6 @ Sep 5 2008, 10:00 PM)

okay if you want to pay $4 + gas then that's you but i don't want to pay more than $2 for my gas

Don't worry about gas prices, I'm still waiting for the first drop of Iraqi oil although we've been there for 5 yrs.
Tav6
Sep 5 2008, 11:18 PM
if you people are gullible enough to vote for a president that call asian "G@@k' then vote for McCain but i want a president that is not a racist
so GO OBAMA
TINMAN
Sep 5 2008, 11:25 PM
QUOTE(Tav6 @ Sep 5 2008, 10:18 PM)

if you people are gullible enough to vote for a president that call asian "G@@k' then vote for McCain but i want a president that is not a racist
so GO OBAMA

McCain referred to his VC captors as "g@@ks" which was customary slurs back then among US troops when referencing the enemy.
As for Obama sitting in a black church for 30 yrs listening to the racist bigot Reverend Jeremiah Wright and not speaking up....well, you decide.
Tav6
Sep 5 2008, 11:34 PM
QUOTE(TINMAN @ Sep 5 2008, 09:25 PM)

McCain referred to his VC captors as "g@@ks" which was customary slurs back then among US troops when referencing the enemy.
As for Obama sitting in a black church for 30 yrs listening to the racist bigot Reverend Jeremiah Wright and not speaking up....well, you decide.
excuses lol so what if the word 'g@@k was the norm among US soldiers back then??? if something is wrong and racists are you still going to follow the trend and do what others do??? i want a president that can be a good leader not a follower!!!
as for Obama and Jeremiah wright ... lol it is a different situation from McCain because Jeremy wright was only mad at the the way America is going that's why he said what he said but he is not a racist person like McCain
TINMAN
Sep 5 2008, 11:51 PM
QUOTE(Tav6 @ Sep 5 2008, 10:34 PM)

excuses lol so what if the word 'g@@k was the norm among US soldiers back then??? if something is wrong and racists are you still going to follow the trend and do what others do??? i want a president that can be a good leader not a follower!!!
If you want to pin McCain for something he said more than 30 yrs ago then go ahead but his actions toward normalizing relations with Asian countries like Vietnam proved otherwise.
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as for Obama and Jeremiah wright ... lol it is a different situation from McCain because Jeremy wright was only mad at the the way America is going that's why he said what he said but he is not a racist person like McCain

By that logic, then the same could be said about McCain lashing out at his captors for torturing him. Of course, you expect McCain to refrain racist thoughts against his enemies.
Spreading lies about the CIA creating the HIV virus and disseminating the disease among Black communities is acceptable in your point of view then? Go Obama!
Gene
Sep 5 2008, 11:52 PM
Go Obama!

Gotta stop free trade and letting all the cash flow to China. It's time for new Foreign Policy.
TINMAN
Sep 5 2008, 11:57 PM
QUOTE(Gene @ Sep 5 2008, 10:52 PM)

Go Obama!

Gotta stop free trade and letting all the cash flow to China. It's time for new Foreign Policy.
A new foreign policy from Obama? The guy has zero experience in foreign affairs.
Ryoda
Sep 6 2008, 12:00 AM
This is why I will not vote for Obama. The moron cant even fake a photoshoot with an American flag without holding the phone correctly.
http://rense.com/general81/obbm01.jpg
Tav6
Sep 6 2008, 12:03 AM
QUOTE(TINMAN @ Sep 5 2008, 09:51 PM)

If you want to pin McCain for something he said more than 30 yrs ago then go ahead but his actions toward normalizing relations with Asian countries like Vietnam proved otherwise.
By that logic, then the same could be said about McCain lashing out at his captors for torturing him. Of course, you expect McCain to refrain racist thoughts against his enemies.
Spreading lies about the CIA creating the HIV virus and disseminating the disease among Black communities is acceptable in your point of view then? Go Obama!
like i said .. the situation between Mccain and obama are different ... Mccain actually said racist remarks and Obama had NEVER made any racist remarks it was his PASTOR that said those things NOT HIM .... so who is the racist here???? hmmm yeah
OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT
Gene
Sep 6 2008, 12:04 AM
QUOTE(TINMAN @ Sep 5 2008, 11:57 PM)

A new foreign policy from Obama? The guy has zero experience in foreign affairs.
The president job's is to make decision. All he has to do is wake up early and sign this and that...He has zero experience in many things but there are advisers that will do all the hard work for him and all he has to do is make decision and sign.
TINMAN
Sep 6 2008, 12:05 AM
QUOTE(Ryoda @ Sep 5 2008, 11:00 PM)

This is why I will not vote for Obama. The moron cant even fake a photoshoot with an American flag without holding the phone correctly.
Is that for real? I doubt it.
Kaosq
Sep 6 2008, 12:07 AM
Obama's supporters annoy me but I guess he's the lesser of the two evils...
TINMAN
Sep 6 2008, 12:09 AM
QUOTE(Gene @ Sep 5 2008, 11:04 PM)

The president job's is to make decision. All he has to do is wake up early and sign this and that...He has zero experience in many things but there are advisers that will do all the hard work for him and all he has to do is make decision and sign.
Having experience is a main factor in making good decision versus bad decision.
Gene
Sep 6 2008, 12:11 AM
I know I know...Obama is too good to be true. A smart black man is odd enough, add good intentions to it and you have something out of science-fiction. He has to have a secret agenda, some kind of hidden malicious objective, without that none of this makes sense. Something has to be wrong, somebody, probably with lighter skin, is somewhere pulling the strings because there is just no way.
There is no Asian president but a Black president?! Jealous much? You got used to seeing white skin and you closet racist fu-ks feel insecure to see a black president because all those times you've been looking down on black people and now your though has betrayed you.
Kaosq
Sep 6 2008, 12:11 AM
Palin is a MILF...
But she pisses me off.
Ryoda
Sep 6 2008, 12:12 AM
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Having experience is a main factor in making good decision versus bad decision.
True, otherwise we could just get a chimpanzee from a zoo and make it President. He could make a decision and we give it a banana. It would save us the expense of an election.
Gene
Sep 6 2008, 12:13 AM
QUOTE(TINMAN @ Sep 6 2008, 12:09 AM)

Having experience is a main factor in making good decision versus bad decision.
Then you wouldn't mind the VCP old men and the likes of Fidel Castro staying in power forever. They're very experienced and I'm sure make good decisions.
TINMAN
Sep 6 2008, 12:13 AM
QUOTE(Tav6 @ Sep 5 2008, 11:03 PM)

like i said .. the situation between Mccain and obama are different ... Mccain actually said racist remarks and Obama had NEVER made any racist remarks it was his PASTOR that said those things NOT HIM .... so who is the racist here???? hmmm yeah
OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT

If McCain attended a KKK meeting for 30 yrs and never made any racist remarks, then I guess he's not a racist by your definition.
Go Obama!
BTW, when was the last time McCain made any racist remarks?
Kaosq
Sep 6 2008, 12:20 AM
See what happens when you have more than one party... these types of dangerous debates and discussions ensue.
Tav6
Sep 6 2008, 12:22 AM
QUOTE(TINMAN @ Sep 5 2008, 10:13 PM)

If McCain attended a KKK meeting for 30 yrs and never made any racist remarks, then I guess he's not a racist by your definition.
Go Obama!
BTW, when was the last time McCain made any racist remarks?
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On his campaign bus recently, Sen. John McCain told reporters, "I hated the g@@ks. I will hate them as long as I live." Although McCain said he was referring only to his prison guards, there are many reasons why his use of the word "g@@k" is offensive and alarming.
i suggest you read the whole article at this site>>>>
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtmlGO OBAMA
Ryoda
Sep 6 2008, 12:23 AM
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I know I know...Obama is too good to be true. A smart black man is odd enough, add good intentions to it and you have something out of science-fiction. He has to have a secret agenda, some kind of hidden malicious objective, without that none of this makes sense. Something has to be wrong, somebody, probably with lighter skin, is somewhere pulling the strings because there is just no way.
There is no Asian president but a Black president?! Jealous much? You got used to seeing white skin and you closet racist fu-ks feel insecure to see a black president because all those times you\'ve been looking down on black people and now your though has betrayed you.
Right, because there couldn\'t be any legitimate non-racist motive for not voting for Obama. See, unlike Blacks who will vote for him because he is Black, we aren\'t going to vote for him simply because he isnt White.
Ryoda
Sep 6 2008, 12:24 AM
QUOTE
i suggest you read the whole article at this site>>>>
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/hongop.shtmlGO OBAMA

You are quoting the one time that he did. The question was when was the last time, besides when he said the \"g@@k\" thing, and then later apologized. Post that too.
Tav6
Sep 6 2008, 12:28 AM
^^^ when did McCain ever apologize for his racists remarks??? and his g@@k comment was made recently
TINMAN
Sep 6 2008, 12:28 AM
QUOTE(Gene @ Sep 5 2008, 11:13 PM)

Then you wouldn't mind the VCP old men and the likes of Fidel Castro staying in power forever. They're very experienced and I'm sure make good decisions.
A leader's decision making skills affect public policies which directly affect people living standards. If the people are not happy, then the leaders should step down. Of course, you cited an authoritarian regime which ruled with an iron fist and will not step down easily, no matter how badly these policies ruined people's lives.
Would you have a no experience college graduate become the CEO of Boeing, Intel, or Microsoft versus a better qualified candidate with years of experience? Of course not.
Ryoda
Sep 6 2008, 12:30 AM
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^^^ when did McCain ever apologize for his racists remarks??? and his g@@k comment was made recently

It was 8 years ago, and here is the apology.
http://asianweek.com/2000_02_24/feature_mccainapology.html
Gene
Sep 6 2008, 12:31 AM
QUOTE(TINMAN @ Sep 6 2008, 12:28 AM)

A leader's decision making skills affect public policies which directly affect people living standards. If the people are not happy, then the leaders should step down. Of course, you cited an authoritarian regime which ruled with an iron fist and will not step down easily, no matter how badly these policies ruined people's lives.
Would you have a no experience college graduate become the CEO of Boeing, Intel, or Microsoft versus a better qualified candidate with years of experience? Of course not.
Hold up...
Are you implying Obama has no experience in politic and decision making? How would you know?
You haven't giving him a chance yet.
TINMAN
Sep 6 2008, 12:33 AM
QUOTE(Tav6 @ Sep 5 2008, 11:28 PM)

^^^ when did McCain ever apologize for his racists remarks??? and his g@@k comment was made recently

This issue was brought up during the 2000 campaign and McCain already apologized and clarified his statement.
Gene
Sep 6 2008, 12:37 AM
QUOTE(Ryoda @ Sep 6 2008, 12:23 AM)

Right, because there couldn\'t be any legitimate non-racist motive for not voting for Obama. See, unlike Blacks who will vote for him because he is Black, we aren\'t going to vote for him simply because he isnt White.
There always will be those that will vote based on race. And I think you're one of them.
TINMAN
Sep 6 2008, 12:38 AM
QUOTE(Gene @ Sep 5 2008, 11:31 PM)

Hold up...
Are you implying Obama has no experience in politic and decision making? How would you know?
You haven't giving him a chance yet.
Obama wrote 2 personal memoirs but never wrote or took part in major laws or legislatures while he was a Senator, which means he doesn't have much to show for on his Congressional resume.
Ryoda
Sep 6 2008, 12:38 AM
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Hold up...
Are you implying Obama has no experience in politic and decision making? How would you know?
You haven\'t giving him a chance yet.
Agreed, he should have a chance to prove himself. Maybe if he finished more than one term as US Senator before running for President, he\'d get the experience needed.
Kaosq
Sep 6 2008, 12:39 AM
What makes you think the man with experience is always better? Sometimes a fresh face is just what the country needs, just look at JFK back in 1960. Wasn't his administration called "Camelot"?
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