The logic is simple

1. It will eliminate a big haven for Pakistani terrorists who are attacking Afghanistan and Kashmir.

2. It will eliminate boundaries between Kashmiri people.

3. It will stop Pakistani infiltration into Sinkiang (a growing problem for China)

4. All said and done, Kashmiris will have a better future with a growing, democratic power like India rather than struggling alone or becoming a part of a failing Pakistan.

Politics does not follow logic, it follows interests.

If politics follow logics, then the world should be using electirc car, and nuclear reactor.

Pakistan is still a sovenit nation. BUt not for too long thou, it looks like paki will be the next battle ground for the "war on terror".

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Agreed. But this would serve Western and Indian interests. It would also help the west from letting China get access to the Arabian Sea.

well not really, is a half and half if u think about it.

This "next war on terror" will prolly elminate pakistan and turn it into another afgcanistan, But the result can also push islamic extremeist eastward into india and china. This movement of islamic extremist has already start to move east ward since the war on terror began in 2001. The rate of these movement will only increase. As i am typing this, the news just reported bombing in India.

The US will not care about destablizing the region as it is not US backyard. Heck, the US may even plan a long term plan to eventually use this movement to sent US troops into INdian or chinese terriotory in the name of ANTI-terror. But thats just my guess.

Wow! What happened to my posts? Damned, talking about freedom of speech!

There is no freedom of speech for haters and fanatics.

How would you know what he even said?

You haven't seen the threads he had made before. They were so offensive that mods had to delete those threads.

The logics given above are totally flawed. Reasons are given below:

1) Kashmir itself is not a haven for terrorists, it is only a haven for Kashmiri patriots who want to break Indian control over their territory. To press them into submission, India has placed 700,000 troops there, however, without any tangible results.
2) To eliminate boundary between the same Kashmiris, India should surrender this land to Pakistan. They join their brethren in Azad Kashmir and live in freedom.
3) Since when Indians have become so worried about Chinese problems? First, solve your Arunachal problem with the Chinese, then come weep for the Chinese.
4) You give an impression that Indians are eating milk, honey and butter, so the Azad kashimiris should join you and keep on eating those things forever. Pakistan will not fail, it has some problems right now, which will go away with a determined action as can be seen recently.

But, better you take your hands off in the internal matters of that country. Your RAW is providing money to the illiterate and ignorant Talebans in order to destabilize that country. Your covert actions in Pakistan will just burn you in the long run. Taleban was created by Pakistan to burn Afghanistan and then Kashmir. Now, Pakistan itself is being burned. In the same way, the Talebans will hunt India. I think, you are already seeing some of these symptoms in India. India should rethink about its policy.

Your comments are very funny. Gave me a nice laugh. Totally meaningless and baseless but funny nonetheless. Thank you.

Of all the sentences, can you tell me, which ones are really laughable? If I know, then I can also share your laugh. Waiting for an answer.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, any Muslim who isn't happy living in India should move to Pakistan proper.

Exactly my thoughts.

I disagree. ahmedwazir's comment makes sense.

In that case China should give freedom to Uyghurs in Xinjiang.

....
I'm sorry it's divided already into 3 pieces, I'm pretty ignorant on this Kashmir problem.

It's not like your propositions were any better.


True, but how is that going to solve the Kashmir problem?

If India did ask all Muslims to leave India then Kashmir could also ask all Hindus to leave Kashmir.....double edge sword.

Kashmir is a part of India. Therefore, if India were to ask all mulsims to leave, it would include Kashmiri Muslims as well.

Besides, most Hindus are already gone from Kashmir, majority of the Hindus now live in Jammu or Ladakh.

Kashmir is not a part of India. This land is under Indian occupation, but the minds of kashmiri people are not. By every definition of the word, Kashmir is an occupied territory. Since the Hindu majority of India supports the ill adventures of the politicians, they have become victims of unwanted terrorism.

Unless India gets rid of its old mind-set, it wll open a Pandora's box, seccessionist movements may not be limited to Kashmir, it will also spread to other regions, as well. These movements may not be religion-based, but may be regional.

Kashmir is a part of India and will always remain a part of India. Recent assembly elections have shown that most Kashmiris have voted in favor of democracy. They have rejected the separatists' call to boycott elections. For your kind information India is a secular country - It has a multi-religious and multi-ethnic society. But it seems that you have issues with religions other than your own.


India is very open and modern. But you seem to have an old mindset.

Kashmir is as Indian as every other state within the Union.

Asking a Kashmiri to leave Kashmir would be like asking a Punjabi to leave Punjab, a Bengali to leave West Bengal, a Tamil to leave Tamil Nadu, a Northeast Indian to leave Northeast India, etc. If you're asking them to leave their native land, then they will most likely reject the proposal.

If you are so sure about this status, then you can arrange a plebiscite in Kashmir and see the results. By not arranging a plebiscite you have broken your promise to the UNO. A resolution was adopted in the UN in probably 1948 requiring India to do this. India was a signatory of this resolution.

A plebiscite in a Muslim dominated area? I wonder what the results would be.

All those show piece secularism and multilateralism finally come down to a single point of Hinduism infested with caste system. When Hindus disrespect their own kinds, how it is possible for them not to hate others who are against the JAT PAT system. Secularism remains limited to India's Constitution only, it has yet to spread to Hindu minds.

Please keep your jingoistic bull to yourself. India had a muslim president till recently , a sikh PM and the head of our largest party is a christian italian-indian. Our secularism is not showpiece. Else the country would have disintegrated decades back. and the caste system is a social problem and not a problem of secularism. I don't expect you or anyone from any islamic country to understand this since you guys don't know secularism.

The moon is more likely to escape Earth's gravity than Kashmir is to escape Indian control. Pakistan should stop pissing into the wind.

To call off your bluff all communities in Indian subcontinent Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Sikh...have caste system to an extent. Regarding secularism, first declare your country as secular and then lecture us.

Actually Pakistan's J&K dream has lead to its self-destruction. Majority of Indians have same view about J&K and yes that includes Indian muslims.

Already happened.......take a look at partition. A large portion of Pakistan is made up of Muslims who came from other Indian states & territories (Gujarat, Delhi, U.P., etc.). If those Muslims were willing to leave their lands to become part of a Muslim nation (Pakistan), I don't see why gung-ho Kashmiri Muslims couldn't do the same (not that I don't understand the opposing argument). Similarily, plenty of Hindus left their homelands in Sindh and West Punjab to become a part of India.



The plebiscite will happen when Pakistan agrees to remove all of its troops from Pak-Held Kashmir in addition to India removing its troops.

Absolutely right. Also India has held elections in J&K regularly, the hallmark of a proper democracy. Does Pak have the guts to do something in POK. No, I doubt it. We should just get the whole POK back where it belongs (to India).

I think you have a little twisted knowledge about the Partition in 1947. Muslims of India at that time demanded a separate homeland in the northeast and northwest regions, where Muslims would form a MAJORITY. It is not that all the Muslims from other parts of India were supposed to go and settle in Pakistan, and all the Hindus from Pakistan would go and settle in Hindu India.

Kashmir and many other Princely States had a different status in the British India. Before partition, it was decided that the Rulers, with the approval of their subjects, would choose which of the countries to join.

Muslim rulers of Hydrabad and Junagadh opted for Pakistan, but India sent troops to annex these Princely States. The Hindu Dogra king of Kashmir, with a majority Muslim population, on the other hand, was hijacked by Indian agents to Delhi, where he declared his intention of joining India. The Pathans of Pakistan's North West Frontier Province came in thousands and took over the part of Kashmir now under Pakistani control. India occupied and annexed the major part of Kashmir against the wishes of the population.

I think, everybody should see things in its proper perspective and should not start saying jargons that only complicates matter. Instead of respecting the wishes of Kashmiri people some CHAMPIONS of SECULARISM are here proposing Kashmiri people to go to Pakistan. It is ridiculus.

Of course the nicey nicey muslims were undone by scheming hindus. That is the moral of your story. India is secular. Period. If you can't get that, please go bug another post.

No Muslims, no problems. It's really that simple.

might as well say "No humans, no problems. It's that simple."

merge india and pakistan back! that's the only solution..

Unfortunately, Kashmiri Muslims are a lot more stubborn than other Indian Muslims, so that still won't solve the problem.


The creation of Pakistan was a big mistake in my opinion, but now that it's already happened, there's no way they'll want to join back with India.

Thank the british for counquoring India as a whole, and then dividing it into two.

To this day I still wonder why there is a pakistan.

Are you a Desi?

He is a Videshi.

It's amazing how much AF has exposed me to China's regional issues one bit at a time. The member discussions are broader and more informative than anything else there is. so thanks!

I think it is a brilliant idea especially in light of what's happening in Pakistan currently. It is failing and is going down. Kashmiris best bet forward is with India.