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Isaiah6
Has the US government and the UN done anything to help the earthquake victims in China? There's a local Chinese restaurant in my area that takes donations that goes towards helping them-I've given donations.
sinraptor
I think US government has given $ 1 miilion dollars not sure
MiCC
4 million from usa government dont know about un
mkfk1
several millions + medic + tants + emergency supplies.

But those are small pocket changes compare to the billions that china loan to the US in the form of US tresauray bonds.
Suijen
^ It's token. The earthquake's China's mess. Of course it's up to China to make the largest effort.
aeneas
The US government gave a bit less than 5 million, it seems. I can't find reliable figures on private donations, but it's clearly a lot more than 5 million. Just the US Red Cross committed 10 million. As a general rule US private donations wind up being quite a bit more than official aid for natural disasters, though this depends on how widely reported the disaster is.

But this is an odd gotcha- how much does China give the US aid when the US has disasters? I don't think it's a bad thing that the US provides aid, but China is not a third world country. China should be able to cover most of the expenses without outside help.
LiZhuoShi
QUOTE(aeneas @ Sep 15 2008, 01:01 PM) [snapback]3923711[/snapback]
But this is an odd gotcha- how much does China give the US aid when the US has disasters? I don't think it's a bad thing that the US provides aid, but China is not a third world country. China should be able to cover most of the expenses without outside help.


Not a gotcha the least. When Katrina hit the US, China offered 5 million as well along with emergency supplies. The US certainly is not poor yet she did let a good number of them die as if New Orleans was indeed a third world country. Of course 5 million means nothing - No, it means a lot, perhaps not as much to an american as it is to a chinese, but that's alot anyway. If it's 10 million the whole better, a donation is a gesture, nobody expects you to save the world, but just to show some solidarity.
aeneas
QUOTE(LiZhuoShi @ Sep 15 2008, 05:18 PM) [snapback]3923845[/snapback]
Not a gotcha the least. When Katrina hit the US, China offered 5 million as well along with emergency supplies. The US certainly is not poor yet she did let a good number of them die as if New Orleans was indeed a third world country. Of course 5 million means nothing - No, it means a lot, perhaps not as much to an american as it is to a chinese, but that's alot anyway. If it's 10 million the whole better, a donation is a gesture, nobody expects you to save the world, but just to show some solidarity.


Well, now you are just bashing the US. I live in the state in the US that gets the most hurricanes, and I can tell you that it is up to local government to deal with hurricanes. I don't expect to see the federal government here in the immediate aftermath- FEMA is just not set up to do that. Katrina was a disaster because Louisiana in general, and New Orleans in particular, dropped the ball entirely.

Anyway, I have nothing but thanks for China for offering 5 million. We don't need it, but it is, as you say, a nice show of solidarity. The US has offered a lot more than 5 or 10 million in relief. I was not able to find figures so I did not post them, but for every dollar you see in official aid there will be many more in private donations. I would be surprised if total US aid to China were not much higher than the 15 million the Red Cross and the government offered. Most aid from the US comes from private donations (the US tends to donate several times as much per capita as the European average toward foreign aid), so looking at the government aid underestimates it by a lot. Of course China didn't need it- we offered it as a gesture of sympathy and of solidarity. Frankly, people in the US aren't very good at noticing disasters in other parts of the world, but when we notice them we tend to donate a lot. You can decide for yourself if that says good or bad things about us.
LiZhuoShi
Im not bashing the US, Im stating the fact, and the fact is that even the americans themselves blamed the administration for the late response, and still are. You deal with New Orleans as it was a complete separated country, well yes, you wish - what a f'ked up system that would be. But the federal government has to duty to deal with relief efforts and take care of their citizens no matter in what state they are.

And dont try to project with how much more the US has donated in comparison to China, that's just low - and your colors are showing by the way. I could say there were dozens of millions in emergency equipments and the fact that China has been keeping the valour of your currency (by not flooding the market with worthless US bonds) as high as possible is saving your whole country from becoming as poor as Congo.

The point is that you asked (rethorically) whether did China gave aid to the US and your head was cut off and handled to you in a plate. biggrin.gif
aeneas
QUOTE(LiZhuoShi @ Sep 15 2008, 06:52 PM) [snapback]3923910[/snapback]
Im not bashing the US, Im stating the fact, and the fact is that even the americans themselves blamed the administration for the late response, and still are. You deal with New Orleans as it was a complete separated country, well yes, you wish - what a f'ked up system that would be. But the federal government has to duty to deal with relief efforts and take care of their citizens no matter in what state they are.


You simply don't understand our system of government. The federal government is not responsible for immediate efforts. I know this because I live in an area that is very prone to hurricanes. You do not hear about us on the news because our local and state government does its job. Have you ever lived in a hurricane-prone state in the US? If you haven't, why do you presume to know how this works?

QUOTE(LiZhuoShi @ Sep 15 2008, 06:52 PM) [snapback]3923910[/snapback]
And dont try to project with how much more the US has donated in comparison to China, that's just low - and your colors are showing by the way. I could say there were dozens of millions in emergency equipments and the fact that China has been keeping the valour of your currency (by not flooding the market with worthless US bonds) as high as possible is saving your whole country from becoming as poor as Congo.

The point is that you asked (rethorically) whether did China gave aid to the US and your head was cut off and handled to you in a plate. biggrin.gif


I didn't do anything of the sort. I responded to a query with a reasoned and accurate response. If China were like you it would declare war on the US, drop a bomb on Xi'an, and declare victory. The US would scratch its head and go back to what it was doing. It's a good thing you are not representative of most Chinese.
InitialDJay
QUOTE(sinraptor @ Sep 11 2008, 09:13 PM) [snapback]3918140[/snapback]
I think US government has given $ 1 miilion dollars not sure

remember to divide that by 2.
sinraptor
how much people give isn't very important. at least they gave what they could spare
LiZhuoShi
QUOTE(aeneas @ Sep 15 2008, 11:39 PM) [snapback]3924337[/snapback]
You simply don't understand our system of government. The federal government is not responsible for immediate efforts. I know this because I live in an area that is very prone to hurricanes. You do not hear about us on the news because our local and state government does its job. Have you ever lived in a hurricane-prone state in the US? If you haven't, why do you presume to know how this works?
I didn't do anything of the sort. I responded to a query with a reasoned and accurate response. If China were like you it would declare war on the US, drop a bomb on Xi'an, and declare victory. The US would scratch its head and go back to what it was doing. It's a good thing you are not representative of most Chinese.


First, I understand how a state works and how far is the reach of the federal government and how it works - it doesnt.

Second, your response is not accurate the least, there is simply no proof for your numbers, they are your mere estimations, and I further proved that China indeed donated to the US.

China is not run by me, by I have reasons to believe the US is run by people like you, you know - a bunch of ungrateful clowns.
aeneas
QUOTE(LiZhuoShi @ Sep 16 2008, 06:05 PM) [snapback]3925272[/snapback]
I have reasons to believe the US is run by people like you, you know


Well, I have good reason to believe that China is not run by people like you, as things seem to have gotten better in China over the last decade or so. I hope it stays that way, because if your ilk ever get near power it will be a fast slide downhill.
LiZhuoShi
Fiddling while Rome burns, that's how it is with your beautiful America right now - indeed, she is run by people like you. Irresponsible expansion of credit. Irresponsible tax cuts for the rich. Irresponsible foreign adventures. Irresponsible piling up of national debt. Tough luck American workers and taxpayers, at first we thought the debt will be felt on the shoulders of your children, but the weight is already wrecking your toes.

If your best leaders cant even eat a pretzel without chocking on it, go wonder the conditions of an average joe.
mkfk1
the collaspe of the american empire; to most american it will so sudden that they will keep asking themself how did this happen?

unpairable debt, property price collapse, dollar decline in value, energy price going up, food price going up, 2 unwinable wars, further conflicts in the middle east and eurasia....

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