I am not American. I am Canadian.

After reading and learning lots of Miao/Hmong history, I find it is time for Miao/Hmong to take action,

instead of lingering, pondering, arguing, fighting among AF peers.

Many American say, you don't think, just do it. I think they are right.

I start this thread today. I will add more content into it gradually.

Since it is a serious plan, it shall have lots of interesting thoughts involved.

I want to calm down to gather enough courage, to lay out something really meaningful, not only for Miao/Hmong,

but also for any other ethnic group in China, who wants to get more autonomy, to get more respects,

to keep tradition of their cultures, religions and languages.

A republic is a good start for many people to have a sense of belonging, a sense of truly identity.

It may be naïve, or may be too dare to some extent, but after a few rounds of editing, improving, it will be stable enough.

So here are you an introduction, it will come soon.

I don't wanna live in china...

Canadian you go first. Let all Canadian aboriginal people set up their own separate republics.

You should ask canada to give some land to hmongs to form their own land, and forget about miaos, they are chinese.

Hmong in America dont give a crap about Asia no more. The OG's will be the ones wanting a country but they won't be around for long.


Go ask the Miao in China, not us. But like one guy said....they are probably Chinese.

Lol. 91% in china are han. Our mentality is anti-Colonizations and anti-invasion on china. We wont see you as liberator. We see you as seperist. You are not doing these minorities any favour. There is no way in hell for them to declare indepandance. Not enough population and not enough influence. If the CCP were decided to kill all Hmong people in the aftermath of such "indepdance movement", no Han in china will oppose such action.

Foolsih canadian, stop thinking in your so call democracy or freedom. Start thinking in terms of what is actually possible.

Btw, as a fellow canadian, why dont we give back the land to the aboriginals people? Why dont we let quebec declare indepandance?

If the asian communities in vancouver and toronto want to declare indepandance, would you support it?

Strategy #1, sit back and relax, be happy and enjoy your life.

Oooh, yes, it is a strategy.

You should think twice before you make any decision on serious matter as such. When you start a small business like restaurant or dollar store, you want to be successful, you have to devote all of your time, your energy and money.

That is not enough for building a republic, which also requires your life. Yes, that is right. Tibetan Youth Congress clearly declare in their aims and objectives, be ready to sacrifice your life, which may also implies you have to sacrifice lives of your relative and lives of your friends ' when necessary.

Most often, it is dead or life fight with your enemy. And your chance of winning the battle is so dim so that you see no hope, you can find no help, you can get no chance of winning any form of progress in your favourable direction.

Sometimes your closest friend give up; sometimes they betray you and you may end up in jail for life without any fame, any support and any comfort. The cause of your fighting is doomed from beginning.

Before give up or give in in half way, think about why you want to join, does it worth?
Why do you want to fight for a republic in the first place? Why not just sit back, relax and have a beach vacation with your girl friend?

Two assertions:
1, Hmong alone, without team up with Miao, especially Hmong in US, doesn't have any chance to make a republic in any time, anywhere. Not becuase you are able to make some noises, you can build a republic. That is not realistic.
Even if they built it in Mars, some barbarian will come, rape it and destroy it for no good reason.

2, Miao, with or without support from Hmong, does have a chance to make a republic in China. Given that their ethic awareness is so strong that God finally bless them. With Hmong's help, it might be easier, might be not.

Only if there's World War 3 involving China and the country erupts into Chaos and turmoil, then we have a chance. Other than that...no way in hell.

Not to mention that more than half of the population will have to die first too >.>;;

The word scatter, reveals everything in history of Miao/Hmong and their modern communities.
The word centralization, tells why China was the largest country more than two thousand years ago and is a superpower now.

Miao/Hmong are loosely distributed across a number of provinces in China and Vietnam, Laos, Thailand in Indochina.
Such a wild distribution in Miao/Hmong communities results in apparent difference in dialect, cloths, arts, weddings, festival and funeral ceremonies.
Miao/Hmong in separate area can’t communicate freely with each other, which greatly weaken their connections.

1, Why Hmong has no chance?

1.1, Most Hmong in US or Europe will lose their language, their identity in a few generations,. Hmong don’t share a special religion like Tibetan Buddhism to tie them up. In generations, the younger Hmong (American) will ask the same old question again, what is Hmong?
Well, the same legend repeats itself, in English or French or Mandarin, but not Hmong language.

1.2, Hmong in Vietnam, Lao and Thailand are much weaker than Miao in China in many ways. They are under suspicious eyes and are treated as foreigner in their homelands. Local governing ethnic group, who were from China too and just before Hmong, push aggressively to assimilate them, because the control ethnic group is less dominate than Han Chinese.

2, Why Miao has the chance?

2.1, Nowhere is homeland of Miao except China. It is widely accepted that Miao ethnic group is one of the oldest residents of China.
Although most Miao still live in poverty, that is why Han Chinese look down on them, Miao living standard is improving,
at the cost of losing their language, custom and culture. Some Miao speak Mandarin only.

2.2 Miao are peaceful people, live in harmony with other ethnic groups. No report of any large scale conflict can be found for centuries.
After CCP took power in 1949, Miao population grows rapidly according to Chinese official statistics.
• 1953: 2,510,000
• 1964: 2,780,000
• 1982: 5,030,000
• 1990: 7,390,000
about half of the entire Miao population, were in Guizhou province of China in 1990. There are 6 Miao autonomous prefectures (shared) and 23 Miao autonomous counties. If one counts Miao-Yao together, its population reaches more than 10 million easily. The number is not very impressive in China, but compare with other ethnic groups in Indochina , it is very impressive. However, some Hmong guys prefer to neglect this fact.

2.3 Mountainous regions in Guizhou, Hunan and Guangxi, are very rich in natural resources. China has been undergoing rapid economic development in recent years. So do these areas. When exploring valuable resources, Miao, along with other ethnic groups, wants to have a bigger share but they realize that patrons who have private connections with local CCP government cut all pie. Nothing is left for them, they are still poor and they don’t benefit from rapid economic development.

Conflict of interest between Miao and local CCP government is growing.
It is very hard to see this kind of report oversea because CCP is good at covering up bad stuff for them.

Strategy #1: Marry your own race and stick with your race. Probably the only one strategy I can come to terms with.

Yea, definitely not in the U.S. is this topic geared towards to. Hmong in the U.S. is no more or less any longer people of a nationality. One would think with all the "freedom" promotion by the U.S., there are still racial issues/conflicts manifesting our communities. For example; Hmong women, at large, have a demeaning view towards Hmong men in the U.S. where they say they'd prefer white men. Hmong men, from the results of that, have little alternatives as far as marrying outside their own inspite of current socioeconomic issues.

If there is already Miao/Hmong culture enrichment in China and growing, more power to them because if all else fails in the U.S., maybe Hmong Americans can come back to appreciate their origins of China in hopes that China would improve their systems and standards.

miao have lived with han for thousands of years. They still have their culture in tact. Don't see how it can't continue

Not only Hmong women, but also Chinese women, Korean women and Vietnam women, etc. It is true Asian women prefer white men. You have to admit that white men in general are better in economic point of view, for example, they are better educated, better job, better pay, better chance to get promotion. US has a social ladder, white men are on top of it. It is natural reaction for Asian women to prefer to have white men as boy friends. If Hmong men were on top of the social ladder, Asian women would prefer Hmong men for sure.

Strategy #1 is all about that. To make Hmong life better is the number one solution for everything. Once Hmong had better life, it would be very natural for Hmong to demand other stuff like freedom.

White men are NOT better educated than East Asian men. Maybe White men are better educated than just Miao/Hmong men, but overall in America Asian men are better educated than White men.

In case you've missed all the studies and surveys in the past decades, Asian men (i.e., Chinese, Korean, Japanese) are the best educated ethnic group in North America. In California, the per capita income of Asian men are even higher than White men's.

Remember now, Hmong did not come to the U.S. healthy and wealthy. Or, you can say with "capital". The make up of other Asian groups tops the numbers of white men in education and income? Meaning, there is a huge number of other Asian groups combined in the U.S.

Your evidence is still unclear, if it is based a state and or national population census or based on Asian Americans who actually have high income jobs and have an education.

Another point, even if there a number of Asian Americans who are well educated and have high paying jobs, what about power? Social power, political power, and the like? There are hardly any Asian Americans with those powers. As with the OT, power is important. Then, it all goes back to what one of the posters said, white men are at the top in terms of power in the U.S.

all i know is that to befriends with our fellow china brothers and enjoy life. i need take a visit canada someday. why? it seems like a good place to visit or live in. it's an interesting thing that everytime one reads about miao/hmong history dating back ancient hmongs before china all the way to vietnam war to present day the first thing they think is to take over china and give it back. usually the OG want to take it back, but to me just leave it alone and befriends with them and enjoy life. To be honest i find it okay to have hmongs/miao to be a part of china and the chinese as well. Even today that's what is happening anyways and same goes with the hmongs in the west. soon we will loose everything, but all we know in the end is we still know who we are and we're still alive. enjoying life...

The word Miao or Hmong , in Chinese character, doesn’t carry disparaged meaning. But other words accompanying Miao/Hmong, such as backward, uncivilized, barbarous do make Miao/Hmong to be second-class citizens. I believe, even the pronunciation of Miao, sounds like a cat or a sound cat produces, doesn’t have much derogated meaning, the actual killer is poverty. In most places, Miao/Hmong has low living standard, which make them feel marginalized.

Does anyone disparage General Song Zuying, the political icon of Miao, one of the greatest female singers in China ? No. Everyone loves her.
However, if Song Zuying were still in the small, mountainous village (consist of only 3 families) where she was born without fame, she would be called barbarian, although she is a Miao beauty.

Let’s take a million Miao in Guizhou, the province of China most populated by Miao, a million Han Chinese in the same province, a million Chinese in Shanghai, a million Americans. The living standard of each group goes higher respectively, with Miao at bottom, American at top.

Only Hmong in US or French care they have light feature or not, e.g., color of their eyes, their hair; whether they are mixed with other race or not in history. For the few million Miao in China, for the one million Hmong in Indochina, these arguments are too luxuries to imagine, to care about. They must care at first, clean water, food, cloths, health, education and family.

In deep mountains, Miao/Hmong enjoy their freedom, keep their life style untouched. At the same time, in term of modern society, they lack social progress.

Therefore, the priority of Miao/Hmong is to improve their living standard as a whole.

Strategy # 2

Be always at the right side, don’t go to the wrong side.

People laugh, how comes it possible?
It sounds like an excellent nonsense, like what Buffet said to normal investors , don’t lose money.

Is it a mission impossible?

When you throw coin, you get A or B, it is luck;
But if you repeat the action hundreds of times, you get 50% A and 50% B, it is Math.

Strategy #2 is not about luck or Math; it is about life. it is about choice, it is about action.

Is it a mission impossible? The answer is NO.

Let's look at Miao/Hmong in different angle, you will see surprisingly Miao/Hmong did/do very well.

Too many happened recently. I have to care about my money first.

The good news is that I have laid out the plan for 8 or 9 strategies.
The bad news is that I have limited time, it will take longer to complete it.

But I am sure I will do it.

Regards,

lol china will never allow this


most chinese will probably agree with him

We can creat nation in the U .S. and even one in Cananda. After all these lands were stolen and many of our people were tricked to kill for them during the robbery operation in Vietnam. Canada is technically a land belong to the natives. Now that other people were allow to steal it, why not fight for peace that technically now belong to us Hmong around the world. China is already too crowded, we need to creat one right in the U.S. and if not in Canada. We already have Hmong in Canada.

After living here in America for so long, we Hmong prefer to make nation out of Canada or the U.S. I jus wish the Chinese people and it military will be strong enough to fight for our right and national independence in the U.S. The Hawaiin nation had not been able to be free from the U.S. interference sinc 1853, so we Hmong may have to wait a little longer before we can achieve independence in either Canada or the U.S. through democracy.

It's impossible.

Under CCP, the Hmong are able to reunified.

The Miao people are not Chinese. Many do not see themselves as ETHNIC CHINESE, but CHINESE NATIONAL.

I just hope our kins in China do not assimilate because that would be a crush to our ancestors who have opposed assimilation for more than 5000 yrs from the Chinese.

Haha, sorry there can never be a Hmong country.... Only through major devastation and war would there be a chance for one and it would have to be quite tumultuous. One bad enough to ravage and tear a nation apart.

I got two words for all the Hmong people out there trying to build a nation. Wishful thinking. Stop you guys are killing me. That's all it is and all it's ever going to be. Try to be realistic here and stop living in a fantasy world. Being delusional does not help Hmong people. There are other means to help out Hmong people like getting an education, being involved in civics, and being an advocate for economic and social change. Thinking like a separatist and trying to achieve these delusional goals by those means will get you in prison for treason. Think about it if every ethnic group in this world was given a nation to call their own you know how many counties their would be??? On top of that, will there even be enough land? Think logically people.

Are you Anglo Saxon by any chance? You sound like a scary cat to me. Too all those whom are hmong stop the madness-ness. I hope China will make you imperial dogs pay for your exploits and plunders back in the days.