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CTM2000
What does this mean for Japan? Let's say in the future, China fully modernizes, gets out of being a third world nation and possesses technology on equal par with the US including military tech. There is no doubt in my mind that she will become a monstrous hegemon and who will be her first target? You guessed it Japan. Which begs the question what exactly must the Japanese do to avoid this? Personally I'd much rather have the world end than to ever live under a bossy Chinese hegemon. Considering what Japan has done to China in the past, China has more than just a score to settle with us. I wouldn't surprised if China would ever carry out a systematic policy to exterminate Japan or atleast make us their prized b!tch. If you think we're having it bad now being a US puppet, it's going to be far worse in the future which is why I'd rather have Japan obliterated than to be pushed around by China. What are your thoughts?
fk650
Get used to the panties, cuz you'z gonna be our b!tch.
Jasel
Some of you people on this forum like to make assumptions and jump to conlusions way before things even happen. If they even will.
freefallz
I hav no problem with China getting some revenge icon_twisted.gif

jk

u worry too much...
Chinese DesertFox
Worried now eh? Should of thought of this before invading China. sure.gif
CTM2000
Not surprising that some of the Chinese members here support revenge against Japan. Ah well, for the time being your fantasies are just that fantasies. And to those who claim I worry too much, excuse me but I have every right to be concerned with this issue. The well-being and livelihood of my people and culture are at stake here, it may rather early to be worrying but it's a valid reason nonetheless. It is exactly this reason why I support rearming Japan.
Chinese DesertFox
This is not a question of "if."

China will rise to a true superpower status, it's only a matter of time.
CTM2000
Which means of course that there are gonna be two, US and China and before the latter ever gets a chance to go on imperial adventures and missions of revenge, she will have to duke it out with the other one first risking everything and I don't think it's a risk she is willing to take.
shiva_sirens
China has no intention of taking over Japan if that's what you are implying.
Come to think of it, China has no intention of taking over any country. She is happy with the way she is: keeping itself united and the people safe.

As for your comment about what Japan did to China in the past... China is not going to avenge your wrong doings if you are worried about that...

Simply put, Chinese ppl DO KNOW that it was the crimes of the older generations - why should that be blamed on newer generations of Japanese people? Moreover, there's a lot of relation between the newer generations of Chinese people with the Japanese people...

However, what China would appreciate GREATLY, is for Japan's head to own up its past crimes, and at least, acknowledge that what it did to China & Korea was wrong. Is that too much to ask?

I also want to point out, that regardless of what, at the end of the day, Japan is still China's closest neighbour (by proximity, history, and even blood).
freefallz
Im sure the Chinese government wont be as foolish as to repeat the mistakes and atrocities that the Japanese war criminals had committed half a century ago
Yanya
QUOTE (Chinese DesertFox @ Sep 14 2004, 04:51 AM)
This is not a question of "if."

China will rise to a true superpower status, it's only a matter of time.

some answer for a chinese, of course your gonna say that. you think any non-chinese here belive that chinese is actually going to be a super power? its all about pride these days.
chinowei
WHY WOULD CHINA WANT TO TAKE OVER JAPAN?? ER.. WE ARE MORE HUMANE THAN WHAT U GUYS THOUGHT..
oem
QUOTE (chinowei @ Sep 14 2004, 09:02 AM)
WHY WOULD CHINA WANT TO TAKE OVER JAPAN?? ER.. WE ARE MORE HUMANE THAN WHAT U GUYS THOUGHT..

It's like a human thing, everybody wants to take over something! beerchug.gif
HutFlip
I wouldn't mind having a multipolar world. In fact i would wish there are multiple "superpowers" not just america.(e.i. China, India, Russia, EU...)
fk650
QUOTE (Yanya @ Sep 14 2004, 08:57 AM)
QUOTE (Chinese DesertFox @ Sep 14 2004, 04:51 AM)
This is not a question of "if."

China will rise to a true superpower status, it's only a matter of time.

some answer for a chinese, of course your gonna say that. you think any non-chinese here belive that chinese is actually going to be a super power? its all about pride these days.

It's not a matter of whether you want to believe it. It's a matter of what the facts are predicting. China's rise is inevitable, anybody who doesn't agree is short-sighted or just too shallow to comprehend shifts in global realities.

Anyways, this Japanese is being too paranoid. China won't attack Japan, because when China is a superpower, she'd mainly be focused on economic development. It's not worth having millions die just to get "revenge".

It's going to be a multi-polar world anyways. With the US, EU, China, India and Russia as the dominant players in 50 years.
flipcombatmedic
china is already a superpower, it's already a hegemon in the east.
khu91x
Haven't you heard the saying "Laugh now , Cry later". icon_twisted.gif
Jasel
Eh I still dont see China becomming a superpower
HutFlip
QUOTE (Jasel @ Sep 14 2004, 01:17 PM)
Eh I still dont see China becomming a superpower

They are merely a regional power today, but if you haven't been keeping up with news lately, you would surely have doubts about china becoming one.
CJK
it's gonna be an orweilian 1984 world!

three major superpowers:

Oceania: The Americas, Great Britain, Australia
Eurasia: EU, Turkey, Russia
Eastasia: China, Japan, Unified Korea, India




here's a cool map of the borders and approximate areas under particular influence from propaganda.
Samurai
QUOTE (HutFlip @ Sep 14 2004, 11:44 AM)
I wouldn't mind having a multipolar world. In fact i would wish there are multiple "superpowers" not just america.(e.i. China, India, Russia, EU...)

Russia...did we forget they were once a super power, and then look what happend to them?
From where they are now I doubt Russia will be coming back to it's 'state' which it was in during the Cold War.
Nathan Rahl
i think evoultion has come far enough to prevent such stupidity from china when they have the power to do something like that at all. this is after all the 21st century, you cant just walk into another country and play around with it anymore....(unless of course the country invading is USA or the country invaded is a poor stupid-@$$-no-one-cares-about-it-country, which japan is not, so i think they're safe.

At least i hope so, because i wouldnt want to be a terrorist and blow up things in china, because i couldnt tolerate them messing around japan, my second home! (never been there btw)
Ogumo
QUOTE
Which begs the question what exactly must the Japanese do to avoid this?


Remilitarize. Form alliances with whoever is willing and limit china's hand in japan's economy as much as we possibly can.

Though I do agree with fk80. Most likely china will not attack out of revenge. However they will in the long run without doubt bully japan and possibly other smaller nations in the region. Or atleast attempt to do so.
dalawapo
we should bannd together against china!
HutFlip
QUOTE (Samurai @ Sep 14 2004, 01:49 PM)
QUOTE (HutFlip @ Sep 14 2004, 11:44 AM)
I wouldn't mind having a multipolar world. In fact i would wish there are multiple "superpowers" not just america.(e.i. China, India, Russia, EU...)

Russia...did we forget they were once a super power, and then look what happend to them?
From where they are now I doubt Russia will be coming back to it's 'state' which it was in during the Cold War.

I would never count russia as a superpower, they were only a military power, their economy was weak, couldn't even compare it to america at its peak.
Made in China
QUOTE (HutFlip @ Sep 14 2004, 03:41 PM)
QUOTE (Samurai @ Sep 14 2004, 01:49 PM)
QUOTE (HutFlip @ Sep 14 2004, 11:44 AM)
I wouldn't mind having a multipolar world. In fact i would wish there are multiple "superpowers" not just america.(e.i. China, India, Russia, EU...)

Russia...did we forget they were once a super power, and then look what happend to them?
From where they are now I doubt Russia will be coming back to it's 'state' which it was in during the Cold War.

I would never count russia as a superpower, they were only a military power, their economy was weak, couldn't even compare it to america at its peak.

THANK YOU! love2.gif
Samurai
QUOTE (HutFlip @ Sep 14 2004, 02:41 PM)
QUOTE (Samurai @ Sep 14 2004, 01:49 PM)
QUOTE (HutFlip @ Sep 14 2004, 11:44 AM)
I wouldn't mind having a multipolar world. In fact i would wish there are multiple "superpowers" not just america.(e.i. China, India, Russia, EU...)

Russia...did we forget they were once a super power, and then look what happend to them?
From where they are now I doubt Russia will be coming back to it's 'state' which it was in during the Cold War.

I would never count russia as a superpower, they were only a military power, their economy was weak, couldn't even compare it to america at its peak.

Yes 'you' wouldn't.
But, they were able to support other 'communist' countries(aka N.Korea, China, and even with Cuba)
Yes, their economy was garbage and that's what lead to their end, but during their time they were considered a super power which was in a race with the USA military wise and even science wise. Did you forget they did beat us into space?
HutFlip
Yeah that's just probably my opinion. But powerful stable economy is the key to superpower stardom. Not like russia who had a powerful military arsenal, but struggled to feed its people.
Made in China
haha, They just used their ICBM missiles and converted them into Space shuttles to launch a man into orbit. They are only a MEga militar power with no economy to support them. They spend much of their $$ on military that they.... collasped .... in 1989.... icon_redface.gif
Samurai
I think they cared more in being better than us than feeding their people.x.x
It's still like that over there now.
Yanya
QUOTE (fk650 @ Sep 14 2004, 12:03 PM)
QUOTE (Yanya @ Sep 14 2004, 08:57 AM)
QUOTE (Chinese DesertFox @ Sep 14 2004, 04:51 AM)
This is not a question of "if."

China will rise to a true superpower status, it's only a matter of time.

some answer for a chinese, of course your gonna say that. you think any non-chinese here belive that chinese is actually going to be a super power? its all about pride these days.

It's not a matter of whether you want to believe it. It's a matter of what the facts are predicting. China's rise is inevitable, anybody who doesn't agree is short-sighted or just too shallow to comprehend shifts in global realities.

Anyways, this Japanese is being too paranoid. China won't attack Japan, because when China is a superpower, she'd mainly be focused on economic development. It's not worth having millions die just to get "revenge".

It's going to be a multi-polar world anyways. With the US, EU, China, India and Russia as the dominant players in 50 years.

How can people be too shallow just because they dont agree whith some ones prediction? wtf. no one knows the future dude. when you say china is going to be a superpower its like saying the US will crumble. there can only be one superpower. maybe saying superpower is to much, maybe improve.
freefallz
maybe the qsn will be which country WONT be a superpower cool30.gif
EmSkittles19
Oh no.. if China becomes a super power.. this would spell *disaster* for japan with a capital Y-E-A-H R-I-G-H-T
Nam Quoc Son Ha
I'm sure the Asian countries are more than enthusiastic to form a pact to curb Chinese military and political hegemony.
Chinese DesertFox
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 15 2004, 12:54 AM)
I'm sure the Asian countries are more than enthusiastic to form a pact to curb Chinese military and political hegemony.

Don't be too sure about that.
EmSkittles19
QUOTE (Chinese DesertFox @ Sep 15 2004, 12:56 AM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 15 2004, 12:54 AM)
I'm sure the Asian countries are more than enthusiastic to form a pact to curb Chinese military and political hegemony.

Don't be too sure about that.

Hello, I'm Vietnam. I just spoke with Japan and the Korea Twins and they said they were up for formin a pact so watch out biggthumpup.gif biggthumpup.gif crazy.gif biggrin.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
freefallz
By the time China reaches to superpower status it'll prolly be the next generation of people making all the decisions neway... and we cant gurrantee that the same trend of 'nationalistic' thinking will be prevailing icon_neutral.gif
zstar
what do u mean "if" the word you looking for is "will".

Nothing can be done to stop it for even if America and China went to war the economic health of each others nation depends on the state which they are in.

I've seen what's happening and if history is anything to go by then China's rise is inevitable.

China shall give oppurtunity to the yellow people and represent the developing world.
MING-LOYALIST
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 15 2004, 12:54 AM)
I'm sure the Asian countries are more than enthusiastic to form a pact to curb Chinese military and political hegemony.

Do you see alot of nations forming alliances nto curb united states??
Nam Quoc Son Ha
QUOTE (MING-LOYALIST @ Sep 15 2004, 02:44 AM)
QUOTE (Nam Quoc Son Ha @ Sep 15 2004, 12:54 AM)
I'm sure the Asian countries are more than enthusiastic to form a pact to curb Chinese military and political hegemony.

Do you see alot of nations forming alliances nto curb united states??

Do you think the Americans are as hated as the Chinese? Do you see the USA having enemy neighbours on all sides? DO YOU?

Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Russia, India, Philippines to name just a few. And most of those countries with the exception of Philippines are immediate neighbours of China.
lamyun
china will never be a superpower.. just dont see it..
their 3000 characters are on big reason.
i mean how do they text messege on a 15 key pad cell phone?
they cant type fast enough on computer even in simplified chinese
they're still using hyrogliphics for god sakes..
which was used in anciet egypt.
they probably should adapt and use korean or japanese.
technology is the way of the future.. it will be fvking difficult
or nearly impossible to use chinese.
they are also too poor. they will never be rich because of
their population.
there's more.. i just cant think of any rite now
zstar
QUOTE (lamyun @ Sep 15 2004, 03:22 AM)
china will never be a superpower.. just dont see it..
their 3000 characters are on big reason.
i mean how do they text messege on a 15 key pad cell phone?
they cant type fast enough on computer even in simplified chinese
they're still using hyrogliphics for god sakes..
which was used in anciet egypt.
they probably should adapt and use korean or japanese.
technology is the way of the future.. it will be fvking difficult
or nearly impossible to use chinese.
they are also too poor. they will never be rich because of
their population.
there's more.. i just cant think of any rite now

You're an idiot
username
i hate seeing all this friction between the chinese and japanese, particularly since i'm half of both myself...
Titanium
Lamyun, a country does not need to be a first world nation to achieve superpower status, as far as your language argument that's so asinine it's not even worth addressing. The argument that most doubters will bring up is that China is an impoverished, overpopulated third world nation. While no one can deny that, it doesn't preclude China from achieving superpower status. You have a pretty poor misconception of power if you honestly think power and first world status are one in the same. Power is defined as the ability to exert mass influence and shape the world at will and if you honestly think China doesn't have that kinda power then you are incredibly wrong. It will take generations before China will ever achieve an average standard of living comparable to the west, most Chinese even realize that but that certainly doesn't count China out. Even if China is able to reach half her potential she can claim superpower status. Of course I don't really care about that superpower crap to begin with, I'm much more interested in improving the lives of the average people but you get my point.
chinowei
why u call china as third world nation???? i know third world nation that word only fitted with North Korea....
Cold_As_Ice
I just don't see China becoming a Superpower.
chinowei
QUOTE (Cold_As_Ice @ Sep 15 2004, 09:15 AM)
I just don't see China becoming a Superpower.

because u are blinded.
Cold_As_Ice
QUOTE (chinowei @ Sep 15 2004, 09:21 AM)
QUOTE (Cold_As_Ice @ Sep 15 2004, 09:15 AM)
I just don't see China becoming a Superpower.

because u are blinded.

Don't let your national pride get in the way of your judgement. I seriously can't see China advancing more than the U.S.
chinowei
QUOTE (Cold_As_Ice @ Sep 15 2004, 09:27 AM)
QUOTE (chinowei @ Sep 15 2004, 09:21 AM)
QUOTE (Cold_As_Ice @ Sep 15 2004, 09:15 AM)
I just don't see China becoming a Superpower.

because u are blinded.

Don't let your national pride get in the way of your judgement. I seriously can't see China advancing more than the U.S.

world top 3 super power...
US, Russia, China that's fact.. u can go find it out at www.encarta.com
Cold_As_Ice
There's only one Superpower and that's the U.S., China is simply just a Regional Power/World Power.
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