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GoonerDP
India should offer money (call it an aid package for political reasons), settlement of all water disputes and an economic pact to Pakistan in exchange for all parts of Kashmir - lets say something like $30B-$35B over the next 10 years.

India can afford it now with its strong reserves and economy. It will also save billions of $ in the reduction of armed forces at the Indo-Pak border. Once the issue is resolved, both India and Pakistan can focus on other problems.

True, politics will not allow any immediate acceptance from Pakistan. But eventually economics always wins. It will also allow Pak to reduce troops from Kashmir and focus on their western front.
jiggyiggy
No, it's like offering my neighbor money to buy back my own backyard just because he decided to extend his fence into it.
VAMAN
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No, it's like offering my neighbor money to buy back my own backyard just because he decided to extend his fence into it.

Yes I fully agree with you. No need to buy something which is already ours.
GoonerDP
QUOTE(VAMAN @ Oct 10 2008, 12:57 PM) [snapback]3959401[/snapback]
Yes I fully agree with you. No need to buy something which is already ours.


Lets get pragmatic here. Pakistan is not going to just give up Kashmir whether it is ours or not. We can only get it back through force or diplomacy. Force won't work - even though we may defeat Pakistan it will do much bigger damage to our credibility and our dealings with the world. India has aspirations to be a global power which won't be helped if we attacked a smaller neighbour.

This brings us to diplomacy - which means we have to offer them what they need the most. They need money, access to indian markets and assurances on water supply. What we will gain by way of peace, elimination of chinese access to western indian ocean, indian access to Afghanistan and Central Asia and a Pakistan tied economically to us far outweight any costs we may have to pay.
Jagger
India and Pakistan have fought over Kashmir for a very long time. It's very unlikely Pakistan would hand over their portion of Kashmir no matter how much India offers them. In addition, if India ever made such an offer, it would be like implicitly accepting Pakistan's claim over Kashmir.
GoonerDP
QUOTE(Jagger @ Oct 29 2008, 04:32 AM) [snapback]3987420[/snapback]
India and Pakistan have fought over Kashmir for a very long time. It's very unlikely Pakistan would hand over their portion of Kashmir no matter how much India offers them. In addition, if India ever made such an offer, it would be like implicitly accepting Pakistan's claim over Kashmir.


Fair points. But Pakistan is teetering on the edge of financial and social upheaval. The common man doesn't have much of an appetite for continued enmity with India and continued funding of war and terror efforts in Kashmir.

By offering them money, access to water and preferential access to Indian markets, it frees them to focus on their internal militancy and on Afghanistan.

And for India, getting Kashmir is more important than any acceptance of Pakistani claim etc. India is slowly getting more pragmatic and less ideological in its external dealings. Who knows what can happen?
mizcurious
Kashmir is a very vital location due to its resources(such as the rivers), i highly doubt it can be bought and I don't think Pakistan would take the offer.
GoonerDP
QUOTE(mizcurious @ Oct 30 2008, 08:32 PM) [snapback]3989233[/snapback]
Kashmir is a very vital location due to its resources(such as the rivers), i highly doubt it can be bought and I don't think Pakistan would take the offer.


Valid points. That is why the offer would have be big enough to address monetary, non-monetary and emotional needs. A combination of money, guarantee on water treaties and preferential access to Indian markets should go a long way in addressing this. Will this be enough, I don't know. But at least it will be a start.

And frankly for India, settling the Kashmir issue at any cost is better than let this linger on forever.
Role Model
I don't think money will do anything good. People driven with motivation,hatred,patriotism cannot be driven back with a business deal? even ifthe deal works out the succeeding generations are going to complain about that,and it is not going to be a mere complain
GoonerDP
QUOTE(Role Model @ Oct 31 2008, 02:36 PM) [snapback]3990168[/snapback]
I don't think money will do anything good. People driven with motivation,hatred,patriotism cannot be driven back with a business deal? even ifthe deal works out the succeeding generations are going to complain about that,and it is not going to be a mere complain


At worst it will be the same as now. The chances of things improving are much more. Please ask the common man in either India or Pakistan whether he/she cares about Kashmir or about a job, health, power, water and shelter for him/her and family. It is not as far fetched as you think.
ahmedwazir
QUOTE(mizcurious @ Oct 30 2008, 08:32 PM) [snapback]3989233[/snapback]
Kashmir is a very vital location due to its resources(such as the rivers), i highly doubt it can be bought and I don't think Pakistan would take the offer.

The location of Kashmir is strategically very important. The western part of Kashmir, under Pakistani control, cuts off India from Afghanistan and other central asian countries. On the other hand, this same part of Kashmir has enabled Pakistan to have a direct border with China.

By the way, has any one heard of a news that Pakistan has made a sell offer of Kashmir to any country via UNO?
MagicMo
Take a vote of all the people that have a heritage of Kashmir and whichever side they choose gets it.
Evertonite
Maybe now they will be ready especially since it will allow them to focus on their very own monster creation, Taliban.
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