have you guys heard about the genocide in the mountains of loas....of the lao governments toward the people in the mountain...because of the vietnam war.....there is still a war in laos...

ANY ONE??

Yes...Just wondering, does any Lao here care about their country, or have forgotten where they've come from? From the same reason as the rest of us south east asians.

I know some Lao people are still out in the jungles resisting the communist, do you share their continual resistance? Or do you not.

I was told that Laos was cheap and easy to be bought that's how they've lost through of infiltrations. GVP try to rescue the royal families but they refused. Care to straighten my little knowledge?

i agree... i wish LAos didn't become communist then maybe may parents wouldn't have to come to the U.S. and miss their homeland. Damn i wish everything just went back to normal with our King back on the throne but we can't change the past only try to fix the future.

Lao use Hmong for target practice.

who are you to be saying that?

have you ever think about democracy?instead of a monarchy,or ...
do you think we have to end this, after 20 years ???
and have u ever read the real idea about communism, karl marx real idea

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are you retarded, or do you have a learning disorder?

A king cant rule the whole country, one mans opinion and ideas and judgements cant rule a country?

Agreed on what you said. Many Royal Lao pilot were afriad to dive bomb on enemy target. After Hmong Pilot such as Ly Lue performed outstanding
dive bomb attack on NVA target, that then Lao Pilot follwed afterward.

second of all, the Pathet Lao were more fercious then that of their counter
part the Royal Lao forces, even at curical time of defending important Lima site position. Lao Forces would waver, and run for their lives, then stand and fight.

Hmong Gurriela forces were then sent in as a battlefront army to recapture loss position, Which Hmong army never really had advantage in front line operation.
Casulatie rate was High, for the Hmong forces, and so was that of the Royal Lao forces.

The true fault of losing the war, was partially the Royal Lao army fault. For an Undisciple army. Secondly both Ethnic Lao, and Hmong had counter parts fighting from the other side, of the enemy line.

Where did get that informaton from? Have you ever been to Lao P.D.R. before? If you did not see for yourself, don't beleive and try to pass on the wrong info to other people. That's the definition of ignorant person. If there was a killing in Lao P.D.R., then Lao P.D.R. wouldn't host the AMM meeting.

Thanks,
Khoun

Soo I'm guessing you support the Genocide in Laos right... I mean
we got evidence to prove that your PDR raped and killed 4 Hmong teenage girl
and slaughterd One Hmong teenage boy.

Mind telling me that's a Lie.... I think not... you my friend are the ignorant one.
If I knew you. You probally be dead now.

There's definitely killing.....but just not on a large scale.....just a few thousand people surrounded in a Jungle area of Laos....

Are you going to believe real people who had experienced it there or a corrupt communist government???

There's definitely killing.....but just not on a large scale.....just a few thousand people surrounded in a Jungle area of Laos....

Are you going to believe real people who had experienced it there or a corrupt communist government???

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yea i know what you mean man

Everything dead here...shows how lao you people are. I'm expecting your views of your own country men's act against humanity or are you guys too AMERICANIZE to care?

when you say there is still a war?
is the war still going on?

The war's over, the fight is still going on in some isolated places. But Laos is not in a state of chaos or anything

the war is over... but the Lao contuines to kill.... so the Hmong Chao fa contuines
to fight on behalf of Vang pao... and the Royal Lao forces


but I doubt they are now... just bascily they are fighting for survival.....

you say they fight on behalf of vang pao and royal lao? I think they fighting lao at the moment?
im not good with history sorry

Umm...you're the most unintelligent, uneducated, ignorant person I've seen on this thing. This is the "Lao Serious Talk" and you come in here with your accusations and threats. First of all, Khoun never said that he supported the genocide. (accusation) He just doesn't believe it exists.

Now me, I don't doubt it's happening. I don't doubt our Laotian government is corrupt and selfish. Their lives are driven by money, and I don't doubt ANY of it. I believe it's happening, and I DON'T agree with it.

But YOU, I don't agree with you! I don't doubt you guys have evidence it's going on but to make your argument stronger, you need to show that evidence in your post. Be more convincing.

And threatening to kill Khoun? Who are you? You disagree with the genocide but you'll kill him? Hyprocrite. Why can't you have a normal argument without bringing up stupid ganster murder crap? If it's what you live for then don't come to this chat.

And yeah, the government is killing your people, because you don't belong in our land. This wouldn't be a problem if you weren't in our mountains in the first place. I've met a lot of your people in my life, and half of you don't claim you or your parents are from Laos. You don't want to claim Laos, and Laos doen't want to claim you. It's their land, and they hold power over you. They'll do whatever they want, right or wrong. Our people are fighting each other because we dispise each other.

I don't agree with the genocide, but think twice before you complain. You guys are awesome at migrating to a new area when someone's government treats you bad. The American governent doesn't seem to give pity, so there's your solution right there.

It's the Lao land. Take an archaelogist there, and they'll dig up LAOTIAN history. Hmongs want the Laotian land, and the Laotians don't to give it to them. The way they handle it is by all means wrong, but are any communist governments just?

My point is, the next time you complain, think about it. You're somewhere where the owners of the land don't feel you belong. Basically...you're fishing for it.

^JB_Xyooj no longer post here. So, not much to say about him since he mostly got banned for trying to stir a riot in the Lao chat.

A couple points I'd like to make...

I guess it's matter of your experience with Hmong people. Some do claim Laos, some do not. The link below is a thread to this topic.
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=11970

- Us Lao wouldn't truly understand the Hmong side unless we experience what they're going through 24/7 and understand their history/culture of why it's such a big deal. Thier reactions to the genocide is justifed, but blind hatred toward other innocent Lao folks is not - such as the case of JB_ Xyooj.

- The rumor of the Lao govt. exterminating the Hmong in the jungle is a result of them fighting on the US side during the Vietnam war, to stop the communist takeover of Laos. The extermination of the Hmong has little to do with them not belonging in Laos but of political agenda by the Lao govt. The govt. might be perhaps thinking, Hmong only tried to stop communism for their Hmong way of life only, and almost prevented the Lao govt. commuist plan. Who knows? In addition, as Laos is very diverse (having 68+ ethnic groups), many of those tribes including the Hmongs came when the past King in Laos were tolerant of allowing different tribes to settle in Laos, particularly in the moutains.

is it that hmong rebels attack tourist and innocent laos people?
vice versa in a way if its all true

I've always viewed both Hmongs and Laotians as gentle and polite people, at least the ones I've encountered in life. I never knew there was such animosity between the two.

hmm I'm Lao myself but I don't have anything against Hmong people...besides, my Hmong friends are also cool with me. We get along just fine. There's no hatred or anything. But I do realize that there are Lao and Hmong people who don't like one another, which is definitely a shame...I think people just need to be more open-minded especially if you're living in the U.S. Don't judge someone based on his or her ethnicity.

And oh, I forgot to mention that Hmong people (the ones born in Laos) can also be considered Laotian since Laotian is just a nationality.

the laos and hmong people that hate one another are just idiots, they think they have pride in there people or something by hating others, lol

I've heard about this last year, the Laotian army is often on the pursuit of Hmong tribes in the jungles. In the 1970s, after Vietnam and Laos signed a friendship treaty, the Vietnamese government even send special forces and air force to help the Laotians bombed the Hmongs.

I'm really glad that the two countries are close friend, but it saddens me that our country help Laos to kill the Hmongs.

Happy Asian, also hmong rebels attack innocent laos people but I cant confirm it with hard evidence, its vice versa both sides dont know what the hell is going on

I wrote a paper that was related to this for my english class. It sucks, so I'm not going to share it.

Anyway, what's going on as of right now? It's the same really. On Wednesday the 12th, 43 Hmong families surrendered to the Lao government because they didn't have any food and they needed medical care.

That didn't really explain anything.

YES I MEAN LAO IS SO MISTUP NOW MAN...I NEVER IMAGINE WHY THEY WERE THINKING WHEN THEY KILLED THEIR OWN ROYAL FAMILIES..WAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING? ITS SUCH AN HONOR FOR A NATION TO HAVE KINGS AND QUEENS AND THE HELL THEY DO? THEY KILL THEM DURING THE VIET NAM WAR

did we mention that guy who was part of the royal lao family was not full lao he was half vietnamese on his fathers side(vc's) that is how we fell apart cause of him that is why we have a civil war cause he was more influence by his father who was vietnamese i forgot his name but that man should be looked as a traitor i have nothing against normal vietnamese people but i do hate vc's cause they caused alot of issue into our homes those who support lao dang should not consider them self lao because they are the benderd!ck arnold of all lao people we lao people over seas are more lao than the government of lao because we still adore lanxang no matter how far we are away from home we will always love our kingdom u guys ever seen lao government they dont even look like khonlao thats is why i am so fustrated we have aliens controlling our country and people i think for now on if we ever get our kingdom back the king has to be full blooded lao descent just like our prince that is heir to the throne he is real lao just like me

that is so true and even now i bet there is still vietnamese control loas and monitoring every moves of the government...

Militarily, Laos depend on Vietnam for support but it doesn't mean Vietnam control them.

Here's something interesting for those of you who does not believe a thing is going on up in the mountains. For more information feel free to go here,

http://www.factfinding.org/Past_News_Releases/page95.html

Why isn't the Vietnamese government persecuting the Hmongs in Vietnam? Are the Vietnamese soldiers mercenaries for the Laotian military?


Do you think the Hmongs deserves for what they did in the Vietnam War?

Is it okay to declare that war is over than you secretly butcher people in vengeance? The Vietnamese are not mercinaries, it was more of a joint operation. Vietnam is denying these allegations in their involvement. Vietnam has no problem with the hmong people who are in Vietnam, those hmong has no connection to the hmong in Laos. But anyone having anything to do with christianity are prosecuted and are torchured.

Well the Hmongs in Vietnam sided with the US in the Vietnam War, so you would naturally anticipate retaliation from the government. However, it has not been the case. I believe the persecuted Christians are those who demand certain rights from the government, the rights of which not even ethnic Vietnamese enjoys at the moment.

As for vengeance, governments do it all the time. Just look at a democratic country like the US and the various operations carried out by the CIA.

Where have you been? There is no hmong in vietnam who works for the CIA. They supported the NVA. So that gives them the right to commit atrocities?

What Vietnamese military is doing in Laos is wrong and I think the government should stop completely.

They are denying it, how are they going to stop something that they lied to the world. Vietnam should face sanction along with Laos.

What do you have against Vietnam and Laos?

Yeah right, why would innocent hmongs attack tourists and laos folks? Never heard of that before. It's sad what's going on. Fvckin' bastards doing all that $hit to the hmongs.

^Thats why the governments should stop.

hmong rebels, if your folks are hmong they probly dont consider it as killing innocent laos people but as taking revenge, but im not taking sides just providing further information

Their crimes and big lies to the world... Lying is the biggest offense that a feeble nation like Vietnam and Laos could have done.


Reagan,

Every unrest with the lao population is blame on the hmong rebels as terrorist. I don't recall hmong rebels take on the offense do you nor is the terrorist use of bombs? Illiterate people has no means of such technicality to wage terrorism war. I can only hope for the change in directions and responsibilities of this inhumane campaign against the descendants of CIA recruited veterans. If not, someone's just going to have to pay soon or later...

THATS RIGHT LAOS WITH VIETNAM SHOULD BE MONITOR BY THE "UN" BECAUSE THERE IS RELIGIOUS PROSECUTION AND HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION......AFTER THE WAR AND THE GENEVA TREATY THEY DON'T KEEP THEIR WRITTEN WORDS

IM 110 percent MIEN,AND IGOT NOTHING BUT LOVE FO LAO PEOPLE.IF THEY LOOK DOWN ON MOUNTAIN PEOPLE AND FEEL LIKE WE DONT BELONG.I DONT CARE THATS that INDIVISUALS PERSoNAL PROBLEM. I KNOW THAT NOT EVERY 1 FEEL THAT WAY. GOD FIRST PEACE1LAOS HIGHLANDER FO LIFE

you dont hear hmong being on the offensive side, but you probly heard of hmong "rebels",

Laos attacks expose brewing economic unrest
By Satya Sivaraman

VIENTIANE - A series of mysterious bomb explosions in the Lao capital Vientiane and a botched attempt by rebel gunmen to attack government offices along the Thai-Lao border have brought sudden attention to dissident activity in this otherwise slow and sleepy communist-ruled country.

While most political analysts rule out dissidence spinning out of control and posing a real threat to the Lao government, there are signs that public discontent due to the economy's poor state, rampant corruption and rising material expectations could grow rapidly if the authorities do not take heed.

The most dramatic evidence of dissidence came on July 3, when a group of 60 anti-government rebels clashed with Lao troops while trying to capture state offices at a village inside Laos close to the southern section of the Thai-Lao border. The anti-Vientiane insurgents lost six of their members before fleeing into Thailand, where they are currently now in custody. Thai police seized a letter from the rebels signed by a US-based commander of the rebel Lao United Army, which calls for a ''struggle of Lao freedom fighters to liberate the country from the communists''. One rebel was quoted by the Thai media as saying that the movement wanted the revival of ''the Lao monarchy, democracy and independence''.

The rebel action comes on the heels of nearly a dozen random bomb explosions in Vientiane during the past two months, which the Lao government has blamed on remnants of an ethnic Hmong army that fought the communists during the Vietnam war. At least one person was killed and many, including foreign tourists, were injured in the blasts which were usually caused by low-intensity grenade type devices.

''The frequency with which the blasts have occurred clearly show that they are not due to individual cases of business rivalry or personal enmity but clearly aimed at the Lao government,'' says an Asian diplomat based in Vientiane. According to the diplomat, however, it is unlikely that the Hmong, many of whom are refugees in Thailand, are involved.

Observers in Vientiane say that anti-government forces might be trying to exploit a perceptible rise in public discontent since the onset of the Asian economic crisis in mid-1997, which derailed an otherwise steady pace of growth in the country.

Between 1992 and 1997, Laos' annual GDP growth averaged 7 percent. Laos had managed to attract foreign investment and aid from multilateral agencies in the nineties due to liberalization of its economy. This led to rising incomes in urban centers like Vientiane and growing expectations in the countryside, where a bulk of the population still lives. But in 1998-99 the inflation rate jumped to more than 143 percent and the value of the kip, the Lao currency, dipped from 930 kip to the US dollar in early 1997 to nearly 9,500 kip by August 1999 before steadying somewhat at 7,500 kip currently.

A number of businesses, both foreign and locally owned, have ceased operations. Foreign direct investment commitments to Laos fell by 91 percent in 1997, and actual flows declined by 41 percent.

According to an International Monetary Fund report last year, the crisis has resulted in reduced real incomes and purchasing power, changes in consumption and saving patterns. While more affluent farmers have benefited from higher agricultural prices in Thai markets and a favorable foreign exchange rate, poorer farmers have suffered significant real income erosion and declining living conditions. There has also been a growing pressure on the labor market due to the return of many Lao migrant workers from neighboring Thailand.

The downturn in the economy has led to greater public focus on the functioning of the state machinery, where abysmally low salaries make officials prone to corruption.

The recent incidents against the Lao government have also heightened tensions with neighboring Thailand, which Vientiane accuses of harboring and even aiding anti-government rebels. The fact that 15 of the 60 rebels participating in the border raid carried Thai identification cards has also aroused suspicions regarding the role of the Thai authorities.

The Lao government has asked Thailand to hand over all the insurgents involved in the border raid incident and currently now in custody of the Thai police, but Bangkok says the attackers have to be charged in Thailand.

During the Vietnam War, Thailand was a staging point for both US and pro-royalist Lao troops to fight the communist guerillas. Relations between the two countries remained hostile until the end of the Cold War in the late eighties.

With the opening up of the Lao economy in the early nineties, Thailand has become its single largest investor, a major source of imports as well as a gateway for exports from the landlocked country. ''Laos has become more and more economically dependent on Thailand in recent years and this has led to factionalism within the Lao government between pro- and anti-Thai lobbies,'' says a foreign businessman based in Vientiane. While some members of the ruling party have favoured greater economic ties with Thailand, others worried about losing the country's economic independence have sought closer ties with Vietnam and China.

According to the businessman, the possibility that the current spurt in terrorist activity could be encouraged by elements within the Lao establishment cannot be ruled out.

Whether that is true or not, there is little doubt that the Lao government will unwittingly play into the hands of external forces trying to destabilize it if it fails to stamp out corruption and pay more attention to its citizens' needs.

(Inter Press Service)

Yeah, like hmong are terrorists...

Good! And may my government remain loyal to our hmong brothers and sisters, whom we've protected and supported time and time again for their cause. As well, there are over 100,000 hmong people livign in northern thailand. At least the hmong live in peace there, as compared to laos.

You hmongs have my well deserved sympathy.

huh? THERE IS STILL A WAR IN LAOS?

I don't think there is one.. i don't remember seeing one 3 months ago.. hehehee..