Its common knowledge that Dr Dre doesnt write his own raps, but not many of the mainstream music consumers know the little known fact that Dr Dre doesnt put in even half the work in his beats. Many of the people whom were on Death Row such as RBX, Warren G, and Bad Azz, all stated in various interviews that Dre did not even do most of the work on the Chronic album or Doggystyle. Other people do the beats and he takes all of the credit for it.

Ever read or hear of this? Ive read many interviews about this.

I've been hearing this $hit for a long time and it's wrong. He is responsible for the patterns and he is executive producer on most of the work on the Death Row collective. He does have other people composing and writing but he puts in work. Why do you think he is one of the most sought out producers in the industry and can charge a mil a beat? If they knew he was a perp, then I highly doubt they would throw that kind of bread at him. Dre, Timbaland, Neptunes, Cool & Dre, Premier, Pete Rock, Beatminerz are all legendary and can charge you up that @$$

I find that hard to believe

because making hip hop beats is so ridiculously easy when you have the equipment. It's just testing randomness until u get sounds that you like.

^ oh really? I would like to hear you put in some work and come out with a banger in 1 hour since its so easy. Please tell me you're not one of those rocked crazed cats that think unless you got live instruments, everything else is junk or isnt music.

well...

I won't say it's junk or it is not music...

but assigning samples to a button and pressing them over a metronome ain't exactly rocket science. I mean, recording good vocals with meaningful lyrics and a clean production is one thing, but

"making beats" is a piece of fresh-baked chocolate icing cake compared to putting pen on paper and writing riffs.

and by the way... I can do beats. Not so much entire songs, but beats. In far less than an hour too. Really, anybody that knows how to work the gear can.

put some kick, add some snare/clap/snap, some hihat ticks n chicks, pop over a sample, and throw in some whimsy midi sounds on the piano roll...and whammo, you got a viable beat

double post...

You clearly know nothing about production

Really? Care to enlighten me?

Maybe I don't know, but I can pretty much teach anybody to assign samples to buttons on a Roland MV-8800...seems like all the rage. You know, link and loop bits and pieces...ain't that hard. Done it plenty of times, 'cept with real instruments.

Oh damn...what's that thing called....uh...Fruity Loops!!! yeah, it's some pretty lame $hit that millions of people have torrented.

i read an interview on bruce williams. i dont think he's with dr dre anymore, but he was dre's righthand man. he took all the calls for dre and if anybody would want to get to dre he would have to get through him first. He was always with dre since his early days in his career. I dont know but he said all the rumors about dre not making his own stuff is all false. He said dre is a genius and he does compose his own stuff.

and ibanezthep, i think your referring to soulja boy's music. that takes about 10 seconds to make without even thinking.

ibanez - You need to get with the times. They have been using real instruments to sample and then its chopped and sliced. It's more than just assigning keys. Plus you need more than just a MV-8800 to bring out music for the masses. Same with using a keyboard. They compose the bars and have it looped. The only difference between that and a person with live instruments, the person playing the live instrument is repeating those notes over and over while using a workstation does it for you. I've been to plenty of hip hop shows and yes they bring out the MPCs, Tritons, Moogs, Motifs and the Rolands but there have been instances where they completly redid whole songs with instruments like bass guitars, bongos, 7 piece drum sets, keyboardists etc.

By the way fruity loop is a decent learning program. Why does being bootlegged have to undermine its credibility. Many many have tried and used it to make professional beats but have failed. Only one person has taking fruity loops to the next level and garnered lots of success with it and that was 9th Wonder. He's done Jay-Z , Little Brother's entire Minstrel Show, Mary J. Blige, Destiny's Child, De La Soul, Erykah Badu, The Game, Memphis Bleek, both Buckshot's album The Formula and Chemistry. Oh he also completly remixed Nas's God's son album. And that was just using FL. So unless you can seriously back up your claim, why dont you get fruity loops and make us a beat.

- i wouldn't consider samples of other people playing instruments, chopping and slicing, using 'real' instruments.

-no, you don't need more than an MV-8800 to make music for the masses. There have been plenty of artists who do. okay, perhaps a midi keyboard. But you don't need any technical music theory or knowledge. You just need a sample library.

, you can use analog synths...or you could use midi, people wouldn't know the difference. And just because you can input notes on a midi sequence with a piano does not mean you can play piano.

, there have been instances where there are live recordings with real instruments with real musicians. but is that common? No. And is there anything special about a seasoned musician playing a melody? No

-There is no denying that you can make impressive stuff on Fruity Loops, but it is still essentially assigning notes until you get something you like, then adding effects and sounds. It may not be particularly easy for a beginner on Fruity Loops from an operational standpoint (I've been using Microsoft Word all my life and still don't know how to use some features) but once you know how everything works and how to use it properly, 'creativity' isn't so hard to come by on that program.

- and i'm not argueing that they are a bunch of talentless hacks, that's not the case AT ALL. It takes alot of good work to make a great song. I'm just saying, making beats is childs play.

Compare and contrast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rZHFxb4ox0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGttxDgo6jc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFQRep_wd80
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzpikFiCH3o

Same program, much different outcomes. Right away the differences are obvious. Some people will make $hit out of a great program, while others will create works of art.

JAKE!!!

Vader and Malevolent don't use Fruity Loops!

Thep Thep Thep How's the song writing coming along?

was on hold for a while transferring to a new school...

but found a new guitarist that is freaking amazing, so much easier and funner when you have somebody that is on the same page with you.

It'll be brutal fo' sho' Got some strongs solos written and some heavy riffage. Too bad u stuck with the old school stuff, jk

ibanez - fair enough. You can have your opinions and I will have mine. But before criticizing the productions, are you well aware that maybe these people do have music theory that pound on the keys? Timbaland sure does. Same with Neptunes who rarely samples and has been making heaters and won awards for their efforts. But what about the people that are lending a hand? I wouldn't doubt some of them either. And isn't making music about being creative? Not what instruments or machines being used? Using an MV-8800 gives you the blueprint of the beat but it's far from done. You have to have it layered, adjust compression, mixed down, recorded all which they usually have a sound engineer do. Same with live bands. So basically it comes down to man vs. machine. Please don't think I'm stating that bands are talentless people that want to waste their energy on having to play the whole song on individual instruments because alot of it is appreciated in my regard. I just happen to like the rap sound and the productions of many of these artists. It's the creativity that keeps me wanting more.

What are you talking about? New school rules.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW81bm66ISk

Watch carefully @ :45-:53.

i agree with ya dude...i'm just saying...making the ACTUAL loops...the general process and level of skill it takes to do it isn't astounding. I'm learning first hand that a fine, clean production is a hard job, and props to Timbaland, Dre, Rubin, whoever that can do it.

But if you wanna open up another can of worms, entire Hip hop/ rap production is still easier than a solid rock production :P

err....well....i don't know if you were being sarcastic or not...but if it weren't for the funny visuals, it's not bad. Give em a break, we Asians are new to this game. I like the drummer

I blame TXDM band Devourment.

wow, you know them???

they're in my neck of the woods

and yeah they suck

ibanez - I wont refute that. I never doubted the work that of a live band over a rap team is on same terms of work but they are also structured differently. For example, the works of Zepplin and the Stones will always far exceed craftwork of any rap production. Same with Metallica or any other bands that are true to the art. The point is, I don't think people should discredit a rap teams work because if they are dedicated, they put in their mind, soul, effort and most important the love for it into every track they lay down.

i understand rock music may take more work than hip hop music but hip hop music still takes a lot of work

some producers put a lot of work into sound design to try to make different sounds

i dont have much experience with analog equipment so i work pretty much digitally. I dont know but sometimes i spend hours just getting drum sounds. ill get like 5 kicks and 5 snares and mess with'em individually. and on top of that i'll add different drum kits from this program and another program and try to come up with something. i dont know but nowadays everybody uses the same 808's. like nobody seems to try to use different sounds. Everybody wants to use what everybody else is using

You think that that is all hip hop producers do and that is all that is involved in the music making process ?Stop watching videos of amateurs on youtube and comparing them to world class producers. I can tell by the way you talk you know next to nothing about music production or the process.

Creativity is sometimes random so obviously producers will at times experiment and just build on what they come up with idea wise but most producers, expecially those working on a professional level, usually have an idea and a concept before they even go anywhere near a computer or a mixing desk.They have ideas or a vision musically which they then transform into a musical reality.



Fl studio is a professional music app..Lots of commercial producers and artist use it to make music = Good music..

I've had conversations like this with guys who have the same mentality as you..They see a few people input some drum samples on a grid in an app like Fl studio and randomly tap out melodies until they think it sounds good and then label the program as crap because the end result is usually just that ..Simply because alot of fools think that being able to do that makes them a producer and they feel the need to broadcast it all over the internet.

The program isn't lame - The people using it are.


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hahahah that $hits funny!

lol you heard of this now?