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swingdoctor
QUOTE(AwangPembela @ Dec 21 2008, 07:21 AM) [snapback]4055411[/snapback]
You know, I'm beginning to think it might be a good idea to write a book.

I might call it "Whining, moaning, groaning n griping your way to no where in particular". I'd get plenty of ideas from AF.

Particularly Malaysia Chat.

Very particularly, this thread.

Yah you should title the book, "I'm a Malay supremecist @$$hole, who thinks I'm better then other people". It would be an autobiography laugh.gif
cyberchina
Malays are NOT the natives of peninsular malaysia.

The real natives are the mon-khmer people ie. senoi and the negritos which have been in the peninsular few thousand years earlier than the malays from Indonesia. These natives are relatives to the other natives of mainland south east asia such as cambodia, thailand.

Most malays are recent immigrants from the Indonesian islands such as sumatra, borneo, java, sulawesi.

The malays are practising racism towards the minorities and telling the people lies that they are the natives when they are not. thumbsdown.gif
yiming2000
QUOTE(cyberchina @ Dec 22 2008, 06:23 PM) [snapback]4056924[/snapback]
Malays are NOT the natives of peninsular malaysia.

The real natives are the mon-khmer people ie. senoi and the negritos which have been in the peninsular few thousand years earlier than the malays from Indonesia. These natives are relatives to the other natives of mainland south east asia such as cambodia, thailand.

Most malays are recent immigrants from the Indonesian islands such as sumatra, borneo, java, sulawesi.

The malays are practising racism towards the minorities and telling the people lies that they are the natives when they are not. thumbsdown.gif


Yes, Malays are not real but a political invention, a make-belief people without ethnic substance. Real people are Ibans, Bidayus, Khmers, Sumatrans, Javanese, Balinese, Chinese, Indians, etc.. beerchug.gif
deadfish
QUOTE(yiming2000 @ Dec 22 2008, 11:24 PM) [snapback]4057357[/snapback]
Yes, Malays are not real but a political invention, a make-belief people without ethnic substance. Real people are Ibans, Bidayus, Khmers, Sumatrans, Javanese, Balinese, Chinese, Indians, etc.. beerchug.gif


lol your words are contradictory in nature. Chinese and Indians do not belong on that list. If they are, then malays should too. Chinese are no doubt originated from China. Indians are mainly from India. Malays, perhaps they are mostly from "indonesia"/ actually the malay archipelago which is not ONLY indonesia.
dreamhunter
Another historically-challenged chingky DIKKHEAD. There r so many of them around.

Apparently you still do NOT understand the unique place of this Semenanjung in SEAn history.

FYI, we hv a dual character. The Semenanjung qualifies as part of mainlandic SEA. But it is also considered an integral part of the SEAn archipelago, even if it's not a true island.

The same for the people. WE r also dual-charactered, dual-ancestored, dual-cultured. We r Austroasiatic-Austronesian.

So if you say we come from the Malay Archipelago, I wont disagree with you. Cos my Semenanjung, where I n my ancestors 5,000 years ago come from, is also a part of it.

Chingky.
yiming2000
QUOTE(deadfish @ Dec 25 2008, 12:47 PM) [snapback]4060669[/snapback]
lol your words are contradictory in nature. Chinese and Indians do not belong on that list. If they are, then malays should too. Chinese are no doubt originated from China. Indians are mainly from India. Malays, perhaps they are mostly from "indonesia"/ actually the malay archipelago which is not ONLY indonesia.


Don't be a smarty pants, Deadfish. I didn't think a Malay (like Pak Esfan or Protoculture) would be sharp enough to spot the flaw. embarassedlaugh.gif
deadfish
QUOTE(yiming2000 @ Dec 26 2008, 08:21 PM) [snapback]4062148[/snapback]
Don't be a smarty pants, Deadfish. I didn't think a Malay (like Pak Esfan or Protoculture) would be sharp enough to spot the flaw. embarassedlaugh.gif


Meh.. I just like to point out mistakes. Its a fetish.(not a sexual one) hahaa... embarassedlaugh.gif
deadfish
QUOTE(dreamhunter @ Dec 26 2008, 12:44 PM) [snapback]4061857[/snapback]
Another historically-challenged chingky DIKKHEAD. There r so many of them around.

Apparently you still do NOT understand the unique place of this Semenanjung in SEAn history.

FYI, we hv a dual character. The Semenanjung qualifies as part of mainlandic SEA. But it is also considered an integral part of the SEAn archipelago, even if it's not a true island.

The same for the people. WE r also dual-charactered, dual-ancestored, dual-cultured. We r Austroasiatic-Austronesian.

So if you say we come from the Malay Archipelago, I wont disagree with you. Cos my Semenanjung, where I n my ancestors 5,000 years ago come from, is also a part of it.

Chingky.


Erm.. your words directed to cyberchina?
yiming2000
QUOTE(deadfish @ Dec 28 2008, 08:37 PM) [snapback]4064397[/snapback]
Meh.. I just like to point out mistakes. Its a fetish.(not a sexual one) hahaa... embarassedlaugh.gif


Ok, buddy. No offense taken.

But these Malays are really slow in the head. And that is why my fetish is sparring with these dummies on Malaysia chat.
In a regular fight club with really sharp guys, I would get badly punched up. Malays are my favorites, next to durians. embarassedlaugh.gif
brogaguy
QUOTE(yiming2000 @ Dec 28 2008, 08:00 PM) [snapback]4064431[/snapback]
Ok, buddy. No offense taken.

But these Malays are really slow in the head. And that is why my fetish is sparring with these dummies on Malaysia chat.
In a regular fight club with really sharp guys, I would get badly punched up. Malays are my favorites, next to durians. embarassedlaugh.gif


I see u use word 'Malay' and it shows how prejudiced you are towards them..and in some of your posts you include word 'Allah'. Please, leave religion behind if its not related.
yiming2000
QUOTE(brogaguy @ Dec 31 2008, 03:16 AM) [snapback]4067578[/snapback]
I see u use word 'Malay' and it shows how prejudiced you are towards them..and in some of your posts you include word 'Allah'. Please, leave religion behind if its not related.


Allah is always related to everything in life. That's how I see it. Who are you to tell me what is related to Allah and what is not?
Malaysia Chat is an international forum and not your private rat-hole where your backward mindset rules the roost. Get it?

If you want to assert authority, that's fine by me. But you can only tell me what to do if you are smarter than me. Ok?

Have you any formal education? Up to what level? Do you have to work for a living? If you do, what is your profession?
If your income is less than MYR 150,000 a year, there is no need to reply.

samheisfl
Yawnn!!!

This debate will be there forever.. Boring lah.. embarassedlaugh.gif
elleX0
QUOTE (PerisaiLangkasuka @ Nov 13 2008, 09:36 AM) *
I've recently noticed so much whine, moan, groan n sigh coming from non-Malay/Bumiputera about the NEP, Malay-Bumiputera special rights & privileges etc. They cite its so called counter-productivity, worthlessness, shortsightedness yadda yadda yadda.

Question is, if it's so useless, counter-productive, worthless, makes the Malay-Bumiputera uncompetitive, unproductive etc. how come it's the non-Malay/Bumiputera that's whining the most? To me, if all those things r true, then it should be the Malay-Bumiputera who's whining.

Funny. Am I missing something?

Ha ha ha. Gotcha. There IS a hidden agenda, isnt there? You're leading us all Malay-Bumiputera into a trap, arent you?

The trap of throwing away our sword cum shield cum armour. By calling it a "tongkat".

Oh yes.

But you misjudged us. We're not that dense, dudes.

PLS, let me ask you this, "If you, PLS, were born in Australia, or USA, or Britain, and was a loyal citizen of that country, would you not expect the same privileges as any of the other citizens? Of course you would. If you did not receive those same privileges won't you be pretty upset? Of course you would. And that is your answer.

But perhaps, the Malay rulers have a slightly different agenda in their minds. Perhaps the Muslim Government believe that non-Muslims/Bumis should be Dhimmis? But do not want to say so openly? Maybe by declaring this Dhimmi policy, the non-Bumis will understand their position better?

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Dhimma, Dhimmi

Frequently Asked Questions:

What is Dhimma? Who are Dhimmis?
What are the rights and restrictions of Dhimmis in Moslem countries?
Why do some Moslems say that dhimmis were simply 'protected peoples', and were not mistreated?
Are the Hindus dhimmis? How does Islam treat them?
How does this tradition of Dhimma affect modern international relations?
Do the scars of Dhimmitude display themselves in Dhimmis and the children of Dhimmis no longer living in Moslem countries?
What is Dhimma? Who are Dhimmis?

Dhimma is the policy of treatment of Jews and Christians living in Islamic countries. Therefore a dhimmi is a Jew or a Christian living in an Islamic country. This policy does not apply to other peoples or religious groups, such as Hindus, for whom a strict policy of 'conversion or death' exists.


What are the rights and restrictions of Dhimmis in Moslem countries?

"The vile and ignorant dhimmis (non-Muslims in an Islamic country) must be humiliated, belittled and rendered abominable and able to be distinguished by their appearance." For example, "different colored shoes, one white the other black"; for males badges such as an "ape for a Jew and a pig for a Christian: for women yellow veils." The distinctive dress shows the Muslim that the dhimmi is to be treated as an inferior - not to stand up for her or shake his hand, not to give them Muslim charity. He is to expect respect and deference from the dhimmi who shall not join a group of Muslims or raise his voice in their presence. The non-Muslim is to stand aside if the pathway is narrow. It is haram (unlawful) for him to slaughter animals; reserved for him is the cleaning of lavatories and sewers, and carrying away rubbish and refuse. His house should be painted a dull color and be no larger than that of a Muslim neighbor.
- from various medieval Muslim documents, compiled in "The Dhimmi", by Bat Ye'or

What follows details some of the "rights" that were extended to those groups with the status of "Dhimmi": Jews, and Christians - there are still a few remaining Christians unfortunate enough to remain in "Muslim lands".
"No Jews or Christians are allowed to live in Saudi Arabia. Jews may not even set foot in Saudi Arabia, while Christians are allowed temporary residence. No churches are allowed in Saudi Arabia. The American government does not allow its soldiers, who are stationed in Saudi Arabia to prop up the Saudi king against his own people as well as his fellow Muslims, to have an open display of Judaism or Christianity.

Outside of Saudi Arabia, pre-existing synagogues and churches are allowed, but no new ones may be built, and permission must be obtained to repair old ones. Synagogues and churches may never be apparent, no Jewish stars, no crosses, no church bells. They may never be higher than any mosque. There may be no public processions, and funerals must be discreet.

Jews may not enter mosques on penalty of death. In the "good old days", Jews were killed for coming too close to a mosque. Jews were never allowed into the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron, or onto the Temple Mount. Arafat looks forward to the time when this condition can be restored. He used the opening of the tourist tunnel as practice for the Jew-killing he plans to do in the future. It is an amazing example of the dhimmi mentality that still exists, that Arafat was exonerated for killing Jews, and Netanyahu was blamed.

Jewish and Christian religious "leaders" in Muslim lands may only serve with the permission of the Muslim authorities. The Muslims allowed the Babylonian Jews to keep an official "Head of the Community" and "Head of the Yeshivas" for several hundred years, but then abolished it. The Turks continue to choose who may be the Greek orthodox patriarch, and Mubarak chooses the Coptic Pope. Every couple of centuries they would murder one or the other of these guys to remind them who is boss. Needless to say, they do not complain much out loud.

In fact, it is forbidden to complain out loud. Anything taken as a criticism of Islam or Muhammad is punished by death. A non-Muslim proselytizing a Muslim is killed. A Muslim who converts is killed. A non-Muslim who becomes a Muslim and then reverts is killed.

... A Jew who struck a Muslim was killed. There is no such thing as a Muslim murdering a Jew; at most it is manslaughter and the killer pays a fine. There is no such thing as the rape of a Jewish woman by a Muslim. (The idea that Sephardic Jews are "pure Jews identical to the ones who originally lived in Judea" is idiotic.) Jews may not testify in a court of law against a Muslim, and have no legal recourse to anything done to them by a Muslim.

- Samuel Fistel



Why do some Moslems say that dhimmis were simply 'protected peoples', and were not mistreated?

To fool the West into thinking that it can 'appease' Islam.


Are the Hindus dhimmis? How does Islam treat them?

See India


How does this tradition of Dhimma affect modern international relations?

Israelis are accused of "arrogance" when they say that Jews may in some instances have rights equal to those of Muslims. It is a religious obligation of Muslims to humiliate and degrade non-Muslims. When Jews used to live in Muslim lands, they could not own property. If they lived in villages they were tenant farmers or serfs. If they lived in cities, they had to pay a special tax to demonstrate their subservience, which involved their being hit at the time they paid it. They could not serve in the army, they could not carry weapons, they had to step into the gutter when a Muslim passed, they could not ride a horse, they had to wear special clothes that identified them to Muslims so that Muslims would not be "contaminated". Marrying a Muslim woman was death. They could not vote (as if "voting" for Saddam Hussein or Hosni Mubarak is a real privilege). The idea of Jews being able to control an Arab election, the way Israeli Arabs control Israeli elections is so laughable that I lack an appropriate metaphor.
... This is the reality of Islam. We see it every day in Algeria, Egypt, Sudan, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Lebanon, and Palestine. The idea of a "moderate Arab" is as insane as that of a "moderate Nazi". Every inch of Israel that Netanyahu hands over to Arafat reverts to these conditions.

We all know that. So why are we doing it? Unfortunately for Israel, the non-Muslim world has made a devil's bargain with the Islamic world, and has agreed that the Muslims may have their "Dar-al Islam" (Holy Muslim lands in which Islamic law holds), as long as they sell us oil cheaply, buy things from us, and minimize terrorism. The price for that deal means the "sell-out" of the minority peoples who are "trapped behind the lines", which includes Christians in Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Armenia, and Cyprus, and of course, most of all, the "arrogant Israelis".

The Israelis are now negotiating the terms of their surrender to the "Dar-al Islam", just as the Lebanese Christians were forced to. Like losers everywhere, they try to sugar-coat it with terms like "pikuakh nefesh" and "recognizing the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people", but deep down inside, we all know what's really going on.
(Most of the above is based on Bat Yeor's book "The Dhimmi".)

- Samuel Fistel



Do the scars of Dhimmitude display themselves in Dhimmis and the children of Dhimmis no longer living in Moslem countries?

[Arafat] used the opening of the tourist tunnel as practice for the Jew-killing he plans to do in the future. It is an amazing example of the dhimmi mentality that still exists, that Arafat was exonerated [by Israelis - free Jews] for killing Jews, and Netanyahu was blamed.
...The recent poster in Israel by a disturbed Jewish girl proclaiming "Muhammad is a pig" was grounds for killing Jews. A further example of the continuing dhimmi mentality is that Muslims are allowed [by Israel] a never-ending stream of hatred towards Judaism and Christianity, while a Jew who says something about Islam that is not flattering "should know better", and is therefore guilty of "incitement".

- Samuel Fistel

http://www.peacefaq.com/dhimma.html

fullout
QUOTE (PerisaiLangkasuka @ Nov 13 2008, 03:36 AM) *
I've recently noticed so much whine, moan, groan n sigh coming from non-Malay/Bumiputera about the NEP, Malay-Bumiputera special rights & privileges etc. They cite its so called counter-productivity, worthlessness, shortsightedness yadda yadda yadda.

Question is, if it's so useless, counter-productive, worthless, makes the Malay-Bumiputera uncompetitive, unproductive etc. how come it's the non-Malay/Bumiputera that's whining the most? To me, if all those things r true, then it should be the Malay-Bumiputera who's whining.

Funny. Am I missing something?

Ha ha ha. Gotcha. There IS a hidden agenda, isnt there? You're leading us all Malay-Bumiputera into a trap, arent you?

The trap of throwing away our sword cum shield cum armour. By calling it a "tongkat".

Oh yes.

But you misjudged us. We're not that dense, dudes.

Non-bumis making so much noise because bumis are using their position and power to turn everyone else into 2nd class citizens. Yes the bumis are backward, u are right, but they are trying to push the non-bumis to become more backward than bumis, that is why we are making so much noise. Nice to see how the UMNO suffered such a humiliating defeat in the election, losing so many states. Everyone was closing their eyes, voting any other party other than Barisan biggrin.gif

Before the election, Barisan said "if non-bumis do not like the NEP, you can go back to your own country". But after their defeat at the election, Barisan says "we're always trying to look after non-bumis" and all that bull$hit. Lies, lies and more political lies from Barisan!




dinez74
QUOTE (PerisaiLangkasuka @ Nov 13 2008, 04:36 PM) *
I've recently noticed so much whine, moan, groan n sigh coming from non-Malay/Bumiputera about the NEP, Malay-Bumiputera special rights & privileges etc. They cite its so called counter-productivity, worthlessness, shortsightedness yadda yadda yadda.

Question is, if it's so useless, counter-productive, worthless, makes the Malay-Bumiputera uncompetitive, unproductive etc. how come it's the non-Malay/Bumiputera that's whining the most? To me, if all those things r true, then it should be the Malay-Bumiputera who's whining.

Funny. Am I missing something?

Ha ha ha. Gotcha. There IS a hidden agenda, isnt there? You're leading us all Malay-Bumiputera into a trap, arent you?

The trap of throwing away our sword cum shield cum armour. By calling it a "tongkat".

Oh yes.

But you misjudged us. We're not that dense, dudes.


PerisaiLangkasuka would probably still be fishing and planting some paddies with his father to make errands to support his dilapidated family living in a hut if the other races were not brought in to Malaysia. He would probably know about the internet or computer from the daily newspaper, that's all.

The British had to bring in the other races not only because the Malays are just plain lazy but they don't have the ability to learn new things. The non malays were running the show.

The British eventually been pressured by the royals when they saw the non Malays even had to fill in the administrative jobs to run the country; thus the Malays were given a secondary job to learn and help the non Malays. (You can see this evidence when you notice the organization chart for all the depts in Malaysia, the list of directors will be either Whites, Chinese or Indians during the 40s, 50s and 60s. Its the same scenario on all the headmasters list of the schools too). The non Malays were running the show.

UMNO was formed; to fight for their race, what they said. Can't be achieved because the Malays still don't have the ability to learn. Dato Onn Jaafar, the founder of UMNO sensed there's no way out so he propose to open up UMNO to all races. He was ousted immediately. The non Malays were running the show.

British left. Revolutionary period. Its now Tunku's turn to feel the pressure. Not only from the royals, but from his own people from every corner. Instead of letting the country doom, he gave most of the businesses to the Chinese. The nation sees development but he too was ousted by UMNO. The non Malays were running the show.

Then comes Abdul Razak, Hussien Onn and Mahathir. The Malays started to think; 'we definitely can't beat the other races on what they are already good at so lets open up plan B. That plan B were bumiputera status, NEP, quota system, privilege, ISA bla bla bla.. they don'twant to learn any more from the other races, instead they want to learn from 'different races'. Shell was called to set up Petronas, Mitshubishi was brought in for Proton, Almost all the mega development projects were given to Japanese or Korean contractors then. UMNO thought this will be the self destruction plan for the non Malays. But it wasn't working because the unity among the Malays divided. Cronyism and nepotism runs high among them. UMNO leaders soon turns out to be greedy.The non Malays were running the show.

Malaysia globalized. The Umno led Barisan Nasional government had started to suck hard to help the Malays. Pak Lah had sensed its going to backfire him and he had indicated that the NEP will be reviewed. But it was too late. Pak Lah was ousted too by his own people. The ever loyal non Malays gave them a lesson in the last election.

Najib arrives. He knows if he is going to follow his predecessors tactics, its doomsday for him. He had been seen in the Chinese Chow Kit, Hindus Batu Caves, officiate Makkal Sakthi (since he knows he can't rely on MIC), loosen up the education quota, releasing the ISA detainess and more. Oh yes, the 1Malaysia campaign.

Who knows what next? Maybe PerisaiLangkasuka should wake up and starts to learn how to work.


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It is true, I always find that non-bumi Malaysians are not proud of their country and citizenship. When you live overseas, you will notice the Japanese, Korean, Chinese citizens, Taiwan all are very proud of their country and citizenship. (ok, maybe not Singaporeans, they hate their own government for being a dictator :P) If you say something against their country they will get mad at you and start defending.

But non-bumis from Malaysia and Indonesia are a bit different. They have citizenship, but they are DISCRIMINATED against by their own government, in their own country. THey do not receive the same rights as other citizens. When the NEP came out, they even have to give % of their company to bumis - companies they used their sweat and blood and many generations to build. Now they have to appoint a sleeping director, give him shares, a house and car, so just to be able to use his Malay name. In fact we are quite ashamed of this, that we have to go thru this. ANd we know all the universities built by our own tax money can only be entered by the Malays, so we go overseas to study. It's not that we cannot enter our own universities, but eventhough we get higher scores than the malays, the Malays still get special rights over us. That is why we always think Malays are misusing their special rights. Firstly, the Orang Asli are the real bumis. Secondly, when Malaysia gets independence, there were 3 races that went to the queen to ask for independence. Little did we know the Malay is using the chinese and Indians to get independence. At first the chinese were consoled with economic power in order for the malays to get political power. But now, they are trying to swallow the chinese's economic power as well. The Malays have reached a point of greed, went overboard, wanting it all, swallowing it all, without leaving any for the non-malays. Imagine telling others to build their company and business empire, then say "give me 50% because this is what the NEP says so". No wonder Barisan lost so many states. People just close their eyes, vote any other party. The motto was "Just don't tick barisan". There was no surprise that Barisan lost. Even if you put a Green Peace party fighting for the environment as Opposition, they would have gotten a seat over Barisan.


brogaguy
QUOTE (yiming2000 @ Dec 31 2008, 09:46 PM) *
Allah is always related to everything in life. That's how I see it. Who are you to tell me what is related to Allah and what is not?
Malaysia Chat is an international forum and not your private rat-hole where your backward mindset rules the roost. Get it?

If you want to assert authority, that's fine by me. But you can only tell me what to do if you are smarter than me. Ok?

Have you any formal education? Up to what level? Do you have to work for a living? If you do, what is your profession?
If your income is less than MYR 150,000 a year, there is no need to reply.


"your private rat-hole where your backward mindset rules the roost." <--- See what i mean? its not my mindset. Its your proud-white-wannabe mindset we're talking about here. I dont give a damn about your education level.

Now why dont you start your own fu-king street demonstration so people can see eh? Come here face to face in Bangsar so we can speak properly. Your mouth writes check I wonder your @$$ can even cash it or not.

Pffh. Immigrant
Airlangga
why you malaysian always talk about race race and race? confused.gif
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