I've recently noticed so much whine, moan, groan n sigh coming from non-Malay/Bumiputera about the NEP, Malay-Bumiputera special rights & privileges etc. They cite its so called counter-productivity, worthlessness, shortsightedness yadda yadda yadda.

Question is, if it's so useless, counter-productive, worthless, makes the Malay-Bumiputera uncompetitive, unproductive etc. how come it's the non-Malay/Bumiputera that's whining the most? To me, if all those things r true, then it should be the Malay-Bumiputera who's whining.

Funny. Am I missing something?

Ha ha ha. Gotcha. There IS a hidden agenda, isnt there? You're leading us all Malay-Bumiputera into a trap, arent you?

The trap of throwing away our sword cum shield cum armour. By calling it a "tongkat".

Oh yes.

But you misjudged us. We're not that dense, dudes.

so u do realized that Malay-Bumiputera are the only one that have provided "sword + shield + armour" in a multi-racial country which all race all eligible to pay tax.
Actually I don't call those "tongkat", it's more like spoon feeding a retard person for life as they are incapable of living on themself.
Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with all these only that some of them (Malay-Bumiputera) are actually proud of all these, LOL

My gripe is that it is unfair and that it breeds arrogance and disunity and is counterprotuctive in the long term to what it was meant to achieve. Besides, this topic has been covered before, why not read up the old topics instead of starting a new one. Unless you have a new point to make, then make it.

There is no new point to make. It is the same point of social injustice that bugs the hell out of every civilized God-loving person everytime he thinks about it. Human cruelty to human is not a new thing. It happens all the time all over the planet. We must keep on griping until God hears our plea and prayer. If the truth is only in Islam, then there is a lot of evil going on in the name of Islam.

Well... how bout being to lame to realize the reality?

Plasticube, what are you saying?

Apparently only Malay-Bumiputera who can whine? (Malay-bumiputera, what an oxymoron word.)
Seems to me that Malay-bumiputera who's whining are people who are less vocal. Those vocal Malay-Bumiputera who are whining such as RPK or Zaid are branded outcasts and thrown in jail or sacked. Are they not Malay-Bumiputera? Or are u obliviously blind to these things happening?

Sidenote: let me share a simple story with you all:
In a language class, the lecturer said: In most language, 2 negative words combines to give a positive meaning. For example: No Malays are not hardworking. The 2 negative words "No" and "Not" cancels the negative effect thus giving the positive meaning of "Malays are hardworking". However, there are no cases whereby 2 positive words will combine to give a negative meaning.
DeadFish shouted from the back of the class,



Yeah, right.

I would like to gv you some advice, if I may. You should forget any dreams of becoming an English teacher. Cos your English is simply hopeless. Just $hittily, stinkingly, crappily hopeless.

What Perisai means by "Malay-Bumiputera" is the combined "Malay + Bumiputera" entity. The "Malay" part of the combo is NOT being used as an adjective. It is being used as a NOUN as much as the "Bumiputera" part is. That is, if you hv the capability to distinguish between an adjective n a noun.

Just like what guys mean when they say "Russia-China", or "France-Germany".

For example, as in, "The main driving force in the evolution of the European Union was France-Germany."

If the word "Malay", or "Chinese", or "Indian", is being used as an adjective, then there is no need for a hyphen. As in, "Dreamhunter is a Malay Malaysian," or "DeadFish is a Chinese Malaysian,", or "Maldini is an Indian Malaysian."

Before you jump n scream, "Hey, look", when you say "Chinese Malaysian", it means a Malaysian of Chinese ethnicity. Compared to a Malaysian of another ethnicity, say Indian, or Malay, ethnicity. You're speaking of him as a Malaysian first, n a Chinese second.

But if you say "Malaysian Chinese", it means a Chinese who happens to hv Malaysian citizenship. As opposed to a Chinese who hv other citizenship, say Indonesian, or Singaporean, citizenship. You're now speaking of him as a Chinese first, n a Malaysian second.

But this is a common mistake often made by many Malaysians. They often call themselves "Malaysian Chinese" or "Malaysian Indian". Whereas it would be more correct, both grammatically n politically, to say "Chinese Malaysian" or "Indian Malaysian".

For example, American citizens of African ancestry r called African Americans, NOT American Africans.

You know. You should be more careful when tossing some of those big words around. Words which r obviously too big for YOU to handle, like OXYMORON, for instance. Cos you just end up making a great, big fool of yourself.

Kid.

dreamhunter. Did i ever say that word is wrong? I just find it rather interesting. It is as good as saying Paris-France since Paris is part of france as Malay is part of bumiputera. But why specify as if only Malay-bumiputera's view that is important? Isn't all bumi of equal status? Or some animals are more equal than other? XD

I didn't even finish reading your crap. Because apparently your mentality is no more than a kid and you manage to miss all the main points and pick on a small detail that you have also interpreted wrongly. How you manage to complete this feat remains a mystery to me. You have tofu for brains? (edit: someone just told me u dont have one. sorry)

I use simple english. But apparently simple english is too bombastic for you to handle. LOL. you are a disgrace to your family. zip your gaping hole and stop talking through your rectum.

m.. did ya mean something from the animal farm, which animal is more equal or superior to another byway?

so u do realized that Malay-Bumiputera are the only one that have provided "sword + shield + armour" in a multi-racial country which all race all eligible to pay tax.
Actually I don't call those "tongkat", it's more like spoon feeding a retard person for life as they are incapable of living on themself.

errmm. Mate soz for the confusion, i was actually replying to "MioKawaii"s statement. What i was saying is, either they're too selfish or too lame to realize the real situation. They're too lame to realize and be thankful that they are being spoon fed at the same time retarded enough to be proudly bragging about it.

Yes, it is a quote from animal farm for the literates.

Ok, I get it. Actually, PerisaiLangkasuka is an idiot and that comes from a diet of nasi lemak. I tell you, Malays like him can't eat their rice without sambal and that stinking poison is frying their lemang brains.

You are right. PerisaiLangkasuka is too much of a lamebrain to realize that he is like a dog who bites the hand that feeds him. That hand is not a non-Malay hand but God's hand. God have given them the opportunity to hold power in government. And they have abused that opportunity by being corrupt. After 50 years of corruption, Malaysia is filled with millions of poverty-strickened Malays like PerisaiLangkasuka. He has a point, though. If what I say is true, then he should be whining. But as you say, his brain is too lame to see the truth about his situation. He wants t hold onto his tongkat.

Wow, i am psychic!

Read here

NEP ..... hell, everybody gripe about 'em, especially Malay Towkays whose contracts & tenders they applied are yanked to UMNO-affliated businessmen.

Surprisingly, NEP also was created on the ideals of equal economic distribution even to non-Bumis, despite its objective to uplift the Bumiputras.

Strangely, UMNO-putras thought those rights are for their selected few only ....

Policy without research and study made with utter flaw in conjunction to doom and failure.

That's exactly how I like it. Policy without research is like blind people playing hide and seek with us who can see. We have to keep very silent when they are near us. One giggle and they will reach out to catch us.

NEP, like Ketuanan Melayu, will stay on forever or for as long as Malays want it. Non-Malays can whine and moan and groan all they want but it won't change a bit.

Of course, post-2008 Elections see the whining, groaning and moaning getting louder and louder with Pakatan Rakyat Malay leaders like Anwar Ibrahim and Abdul Khalid (Selangor MB) joining the fray pretending to be "heroes' fighting on behalf of their non-Malay clients. Having won 82 federal seats at BN's expense and 5 states, it only whets their appetite for more whining, groaning and moaning.

Now they go around saying that even many Malays are now against the NEP as evidenced by lots of Malays voting even for DAP. Well, I was one one of those staunchly anti-UMNO Malays THEN voting for DAP and Pakatan Rakyat. I voted DAP for the first time in my life. I voted DAP because there was no PAS in my area. And I wanted to vote PAS just to VENT my years of pent-up frustrations with UMNO because of its arrogance, corruption and abuse of power and state apparatus; PAS people issued a "fatwa" for me that it was OK to vote DAP with PAS permission!!

I never voted for DAP to have the NEP or the Ketuanan Melayu abolished or the role of Bahasa Melayu or Islam compromised!! They're reading the signals wrong. Now DAP and PAS have lost my trust. Gee! I can't wait for the next Elections! I want to punish both PAS and DAP! Lots and lots of Malays are feeling like me, we're just waiting for the next Elections, we want to pounce on PAS, DAP and PKR and tear them to pieces!! So, Pakatan Rakyat, enjoy your rule in the five states and your control of 82 federal seats in Parliament while it lasts! This may be your last big meal!!


And people like Anwar Ibrahim and Selangor's MB Abdul Khalid are themselves products of NEP: they wouldn't be where they are now without NEP. What what a bunch of bigmouths they have turned out to be!! And NEP has also created a big Malay middle class with a huge purchasing power that's helping Chinese-owned businesses.

You think NEP spoon feeding? So what!! This is our country and we'll spoonfeed ourselves till eternity if we so much want it, nobody's business! And if you think spoonfeeding's bad for Malays, wouldn't that be good for you? Wouldn't anything that's bad for Malays be good for you??? So, keep on whining...

Wow. fatwa. wow at your intelligence..


And to your tiny brain you assumed NEP = Ketuanan Melayu = Bahasa Melayu = Islam?
Another wow.
Hey, mind showing some evidence for all that you have claimed? One for each - NEP, Ketuanan Melayu, Bahasa Melayu, and Islam. Please show me how these are compromised by Pakatan OR DAP then i shall not vote for Pakatan Rakyat come next election.


So, you are the voice of majority of Malays now? I seriously doubt that there are many stupid-Malays around. I for 1, is not. Here, have a piece of cowdung-cookie.

Wow! Your language is so deficient and your fukking anger is so uncontrollable that you are reduced to some fukking foul language that's only fit for people with tiny brain! But I'm a good match for you!! What a fukking idiot you are, a fukking retard (I'm using your favorite word 'retard' again because you've just reduced yourself to a retard).

Nope! I'm not assuming or equating NEP as Ketuanan Melayu or Bahasa Melayu or Islam! I'm just relating it to these other issues that are important to Malays and Muslims! Fukking stupid Chinese like you are not just questioning NEP but also Ketuanan Melayu and actions by your Pakatan Rakyat goverments in their states have actually threatended the role of Bahasa Melayu and Islam in their states, and Malays are talking about it everywhere, I know it because I am a Malay. But your fukking brain is so tiny you wouldn't notice it and besides you are not a Malay..

And a Chinese like you a voice of the majority Malays? What a screwed up Chinese you are! You are not a Malay, you never will be a Malay and you never will know what Malays feel. So why don't you just shut the fukk up and stop pretending to be a spokesman for US Malays, we don't need fukking Chinese like you to be our spokesman! At least I AM A MALAY and I know what MY PEOPLE feel.... everyday I sit with Malays, eat with them, talk with them, I do everything with them, I have Malay relatives and friends all over Malaysia....I am a Malay..so shut up you fukking Chinese!!


Yeah! Call us Malays stupid if we don't support your Chinese views and agendas. Nope! There are no stupid Malays alright, only stupid Chinese like you and stupid Malays who support you! Stop pretending that we Malays love DAP: we DON'T!!! We only hate UMNO and those are two different things which your stupid teeny weeny little brain can't differentiate!! You just wait the next Elections! We are going to send back your Chinese-chauvinist DAP and its PAS and PKR supporters to where they belong. I am already campaigning among Malays and I am seeing results which you will never know..

I''ll second that.

You are the one who is angry, not Deadfish. And you are giving a display of a mentality that has nothing to do with Islam.
May Allah have mercy on your soul.

Why do you hate UMNO? It has protected you for 50 years or more especially during Mahathir's long rule. I hope more Malays wise up like you. And what is wrong with PAS? They seem honest and uncorruptible. Don't you think that PAS is better alternative Malay leadership to UMNO? The Malaysian Chinese may not like it, but a true Islamic republic could be the answer. After all, there are Chinese and Indians who actually embrace Islam by choice and quite happy with the religion. So, I don't see any fundamental problem there. The bigger problem of an Islamic republic would be to the Malays who will have to abolish Malay royalty, the bulwark of Ketuanan Melayu.

What do you think, Pak Efsan? Give me your best shot.

Consider this situation; how do you explain to ten years old childrens that the other race has better chance on education & business opportunities than the other while they were taught that it is wrong that mother duck treated her ugly duckling differently just because the ugly duckling is yellow in color while others are white.

Aw, come on, Peacekeeper. You are asking for death for the ugly duckling. Pak Efsan would drown the poor baby bird with his bare hands and spit on you.

The yellow duckling is the child of a swan and not some stinking duck with no culture and civilization. It's time you learn to fly like a swan, Peacekeeper.

As expected from a kampung boy. He cannot seem to understand there are Malays who have better judgement out there (unlike him).

He manage to vent his anger by using the fu-k word excessively while failing to address and take up my challenge to :

Yes. and for your information, the way you post are totally retarded and is very very irresponsible for people who are reading. Yes, you were equating NEP, Ketuanan Melayu, Bahasa Melayu and Islam into 1 whole topic.

Lets change the scenario a little and see what is this argument about and what a stupid Esfan we have here.

Esfan: "OMG! Look at the internet! It has porn! The playboy magazine are pornographic! All media are porn! all communication are porn! don't talk to me! It's PORN!"
Fish: "Yeah, alright, the internet have some porn, the playboy magazine is porn but not available to you and me in malaysia so what is the fuss? All media are porn? Why don't you show me evidence of all those are porn in nature including radio and newspapers."
Esfan: "OMFG YOU DUMB @$$ YOU fu-kING RETARDED fu-k DOG fu-k CHINESE fu-k YOU fu-k ME fu-k BLAH BLAH BLAH. I work in the porn industry so i know more porn than you GODAMN fu-kING fu-kER CHINESE BASTARD BLAH BLAH BLAH. YOU NOT IN PORN IN DUSTRY U WONT KNOW PORN SO DONT SPEAK ABOUT PORN LIKE YOU KNOW IT."
Fish: *shrugs*

Complete idiocy. Your mom would be ashamed of you Esfan-the-BN-dog. (always the same, shouting and crazy squabbling in parliament without concrete plan/proof)

abang Esfandiariiiiii.....


aiyooo


wa banyak rindu you looo...


let's have a muah muah muah....from your nipples....to your bingy.....and next....to your lancau


eh !!!
lu punya lancau belum sunaaaatttt.....

aiyaaa...

never mind never mind

now is school holiday, is the sunat season


last few day I saw a lot of Malay kid jump and cried to enjoy sunat

wow, definitely great loo..

you also must sunat you know ? because you are Malay

why Malay must sunat ? I dont know ?
you just ask your progenitor why must prescribe it


so you have no any chance to say no, let's prepare for your sunat ritual


do you want me to help you find a Tok Mudin ?






.

you also not yet sunat, let's join adik Esfandiari to sunat ritual



jadilah seorang muslim yang beriman, ok ?


nak convert to Islam, must circumcision, kalau tak, tak sah sebagai seorang muslim

that's why your word that you said, sound like Satan fukking


so, let's move on to sunat ritual




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aiyaaaa...
bulan puasa and bulan syawal already over laa...

now is the time for you to turn back evil

come on....
let start your favourite fuking fukking word

remember vote MCA for coming election

if you vote DAP again, I take fire burn your lancau

the word our, must belong to 3 race, not belong to one race, ok ?


because you didn't mention it, so I must make complementarity


so, the right conclusion is : this is our country
also can be say :this is three race country




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Interprete any way you like pacy, your opinion is yours and mine is mine!

But to be fair to you, yes, under the current situation of the existence of a modern Malaysian nation state, Malaysia belongs to all its people irrespective of race and religion. What three races are you alluding to? You are quite wrong! Malaysia has more than just three racess; there are Ibans, Kadazans, Suluks, Illanun, Iranun, Orang Asli who come from various tribes, ETC, none of whom would fit into the classical three-race classification of Malaysians that you are alluding to. This country belongs to all Malaysians, not just Malays, Chinese and Indians.

But to those anti-Malay Chinese forumers here who insist on inflaming Malay sentiments by denying and challenging the historic position and role of Malays in Malaysia, then I have no qualms in stating unequivocally that for us Malays this OUR country, we don't take orders from anybody whether about Ketuanan Melayu or anything else we hold dear. If you are a peace-loving Malaysian Chinese willing to co-exist peacefully with Malaysia's Malays wihthout trying to challenge and take away historic our rights, then I would say that you as a Malaysian Chinese too own Malaysia together with us Malays and all other ethnic groups that make up the citizens of of this country....

But a fair question alright from you..

You and your lancau talk again! You are not a very serious forummer, I'd be wasting my time engaging you.

Hahahaha!!! Vely vely funny la adik pacy!! Muah! I miss you too! But, gee, don't have much time to waste on you. Keep up the "good" work pacy!!

Yeah, go ahead, call me a BN dog! Only retards do that. You just love calling names for people whose views you don't tolerate, don't you?; "terrorist", "Islamic extremists", "BN dogs, "small brain". My first post in this thread was not even directed to you, I was just giving my opinions on NEP, relating it to Ketuanan Melayu and Islam, but you cannot tolerate my views, so you came charging like a dog calling me names, exploding in your anger. Sometime I wonder who's really the dog here. Oh yeah, I was relating NEP to Ketuanan Melayu and Islam, not equating, you are just too stupid to figure out, small issue to me, doesn't matter if I equate or don't equate, though unnecessarily big issue to you.

In one Mumbai-related thread, you declare me a "terrorist" just because I am a Muslim and passionately supporting Islam-related themes though nowhere in this forum I ever express support for those Mumbai attackers. You accuse people who read sonofgunungjerai's long and winding posts as "Islamic extremists" and in the process indirectly accusing sonofgunungjerai of promoting your so-called "Islamic extremism". Go check your post there. Sonofgunungjerai is probably the nicest Malay in this forum, he hardly participates in sensitive Malay-Chinese issues, let alone to promote Islamic extremism. But even he is not safe from you.

And now you're accusing (namecalling) me as a BN dog!! Not only are you a retard but you are also an intolerant extremist. You are the real extremist. You cannot accept views of other people that differ from yours. To you all Malays must share your views, must support the Opposition, must oppose BN, must reject NEP, must reject Ketuanan Melayu, must not support Muslim fatwas or pro-Islam themes, blah, blah. Those who don't subscribe to your views are all "small brains", "cowdung pies", "Islamic extremists" "BN dog" and all that craps that come out of your arse. I am not a BN's or anybody's supporter! But even if I were a BN's supporter, is that a problem with you? Does anybody who supports BN and are opposed to the DAP or the Pakatan Rakyat are all DOGS to you? ARE YOU ALL THAT INTOLERANT?? Why is that you can support BA and I cannot support BN if I want to? Do you have to call people names just because you don't like thier views. I TOO CALL YOU NAMES but in response to you first calling me names, got it!

So get real! This is a free forum. People have differing views. If these views are going to throw you into uncontrollable fits of anger, then don't respond, don't even read. I am not going to give in to you. I am hard-hitting, I am blunt in writing, I am fiery, I write my views without fear and favor. If you kurang ajar with me, then I will kurang ajar with you.

I am initially tempted to respond to you in the sleaziest way. But no, I am civilized, I don't want to turn myself into another PACY!! He's/she's mentally bankrupt with no intelligence to offer, and all he/she can offer us is "lancau", "puki" and all the vulgarisms. In one post here in this thread, he even imagines himself/herself doing oral sex on me, licking my body from my t!t$ all the way to my d!ckkk, only to discover that my d!ckk is not "sunat", according to his/her wet dreams, sort of sexual harassment here!! I don't even know if he/she is gal or gay, though I am very tolerant of both, except the kinky ones like him/her..

And as for your ESFAN-FISH porn scenario, bunch of stupid gibberish, I don't even bother to read, you can take it and shove it up ...

How can you argue that Malaysia belongs to all Malaysians yet defend the special prevelidges that Malays enjoy insisting that they are forever yours.

Firstly if Malaysia truly belongs to all Malaysians then shouldn't every Malaysian have an equal right of say as to who deserves what? Secondly, what historic rights are you talking about? Sure Malays inhabited Malaysia before the Chinese and Indians, but not before the Orang Asli, we both agree on that. But, where does it say that Malays deserve the prevelidges afforded to them under Ketuan Melayu? If its written in the constitution show me where. If it was agreed by our forefathers, show me how. Many people claim that these special prevelidges are guarenteed in the constitution and in the "social contract" but none of these people, including you have shown where and how. Why do you keep insisting that "peace-loving" Chinese will accept the status quo, can't you conversely say that only "peace-loving" Malays will accept the equal treatment of non Malay Malaysians? And if you say that Chinese who challenge Malays are anti Malay and are inflaming Malay sentiment, can't it also be said that Malays who challenge the rights of non Malays are anti non Malays and inflame the sentiment of non Malays? Or does it not work both ways? How do you demonstrate that Malaysia belongs to all Malaysians? Or is it simply Malaysia belongs to all Malaysians as long as it pleases the Malays? You don't see the paradox?

If Malaysia truly belongs the all Malaysians then every citizen should have the same rights irrespective of race, religion, sex, sexual orientation etc. The only caveat being what is guaranteed in the constitution.

And I hope Allah has mercy on you too for your racist hatred against Malays, and all the racism, ridicules, insults, slanders and fitnah that you pour against them in almost every post of yours, all borne out of your racism-based hatred against Malays. Of course, munafiqs like you will come back to deny all these. And no amounts of glorifying that you give Allah, Islam and PAS will salvage you from the sins that you have committed yiming. You are not even a Muslim, you have no intention of converting to Islam, and yet you keep glorifying it. That itself is a mockery of Islam because there's no sincerity at all in your heart.

As for me hating UMNO (although deadfish calls ne a BN dog! How conflicting you guys are!), there is no need for me to further explain. I've already explained this in many posts in many threads in this forum. If my views on UMNO mean so much to you, go check these posts and threads yourself! Hating UMNO means to "wise up" to you? Weird! Not to mention balony!! Wow! I need Allah's mercy for being angry with deadfish, according to you, yet I'm a "wise up" person if I hate UMNO, according to you too!! How screwed up your mentality is and how confused you are, hope Allah forgive your soul! I have no permanent loyalty to UMNO, PAS and PKR though they are all Malay-led. I am only loyal to Islam, the Malays and Malaysia. I dump or support them any time I feel depending on how they take care of the three.

Wow! It's interesting to see non-Muslims like you turning into PAS buffs!! I hope Allah grants your wish to have an Islamic state under PAS. keep pining for it, although DAP has already announced that anybody wishy washy to set up an Islamic state must cross its dead body!! You certainly need to convince DAP more than you do me! And I hope PAS delivers their promises to non-Muslims like you once they get to set up this Islamic state because if they don't, they'll go to neraka jahannam!!! Hahaha! But...and this is a big but...as you say, PAS does SEEM to be honest and incorruptible. You know what SEEM means in English rigth? Like a mirage, looks real but may not be real.

And in case you haven't noticed, PAS today is turning into UMNO of old; it's talking less about Islam these days, in fact it's not talking at all, lest it lose non-Muslim votes in future Elections. And UMNO today is turning into PAS of old; it's talking more about Islam, and is seen doing more for Islam, take the yoga and the pengkid fatwas, for instance, haven't you noticed? UMNO, after all, must win back the Malay/Muslim hearts in Kedah, Kelantan, Perak, Selangor and Kuala Lumpur, musn't it? To many Malays, both UMNO and PAS are not capable of satisfactorily taking care of Malay interests, with PAS worse than UMNO in the eyes of an increasing number of Malays. PKR is certainly worst, all three doing too much appeasing of non-Malays at the expense of Malays.

The Ketuanan Melayu will remain, so will NEP, the Malay Monarchy will not be abolished, and there will never be a republic, Islamic or otherwise. Malays will defend these to the last stand, so you can keep dreaming yiming.

And no, it was deadfish who burst into anger in response to my post, I merely responded in kind, but I understand you must defend your fellow Chinese right? May Allah forgive you for misleading!

And lastly, non-Malays who think they'll get into bouts of anger if they read this post, please stay away from it for your own good...

Didn't we argue this before over and over and over again with no agreement in sight? As usual, if I make a statement that Malaysia belongs only to Malays, you are going to come charging at me telling that Malaysia belongs to ALL Malaysians! And now when I actually make a statement that Malaysia belongs to ALL Malaysians, you come charging again telling that Malaysia now belongs to Malays only. As usual, you like to twist things around.

I'm not going to make this long-winding. But suffice for me to say that as long as Malays don't treat Chinese lin Malaysia like Jewish Israelis treat Arabs in Israel and in the illegally-occupied territories, consider everything OK in Malaysia, OKKKK????

We don't practice Malay version of Aliyah in Malaysia the way ZIONIST Jews (not all Jews are Zionists) do in Israel. We don't stop the Chinese from being the richest in Malaysia the way Zionist Jews prevent Arabs from being so in Israel. We just want to keep what is historically ours irrespective whether they are in the Constituion or not. Many things the Chinese are enjoying today in Malaysia are also not mentioned in the Constituition but they are allowed these privileges as part of the spirit of the Social Contract.

If you still don't know what I mean by the historical position and role of the Malays in Malaysia, then that's your damn ptroblem, and I am not interested in expalining to you again. Me, dreamhunter, etc have explained expalined that.

What does the special rights stated in the Constitution really mean here? Originally what our founding fathers agreed upon is that the special rights is conformed to the Malay monarchy, and all discrimination among races is outlawed. Seemingly the original idea was thwarted and the special rights involved the affirmative policies of NEP. IMO, affirmative equates to discrimination. Malaysia was supposed to evolve into Turkey or even Switzerland, the most peaceful country in the world - but instead is riddled with corruption, crime and racial polarisation.

Somehow, yes - I agree that only one system of education should be there, but there should be no quota into public universities either.

First of all, who are you to say that I am not a muslim? Are you that pure? Is your heart and mind untouched by Saitan?



So, you hate UMNO. Therefore, by your own admission, you are not a muslim because hatred is the mark of evil that destroy life and kill innocent people in the name of Islam. Only the devil would give Islam a bad name. Pak Esfan, your heart is soaked in hatred because your mind has found a resting place in Saitan's evil heart.



I know what "seems" mean. You seem to be a muslim, a mirage that is no different from a corrupt Malaysian traffic cop who seems to uphold the law. And what uniform do you wear in the name of Allah to hide the demon lurking in your heart?



The Malays are not important. Only muslims are important and we must strive to make Malaysia a land of the golden age for all human beings regardless of race or creed. Politics is the game devils play and it has no place in muslim society. Give up your Malay identity, Pak Esfan, and give it back to Saitan. It is not too late to return to Allah who is all merciful and forgiving.



Your arrogance in the face of Allah will not stand. No race - no matter how powerful can defend themselves against Allah who can turn this world upside down and shake it free of evil. Allah created this world for all his creatures. But Saitan has implanted different racial identities in man's mind in order to sow conflict through jealousy, fear and hatred. A muslim feels no connectedness to any race and feels kinship only with Allah. Pak Esfan, if you feel like a Malay, you are doomed.



Is Deadfish a fish? Just because my pen name looks Chinese, that doesn't mean I am Chinese. I have given up race and nationality and find kinship only with Allah. Don't be stubborn, Pak Efsan, be my brother in Islam and give up Malayhood.



If anger does not reside in your heart, you will arouse no anger. May Allah have mercy on your soul.

I quite enjoy these intelligent discussions in Malaysia Chat. It's like carrying water to the sea.

No. I tolerate other view points. I just can't stand retards who make flip flop posts and also do not have a solid reasoning to back their viewpoints. Such people(you as an example) likes to 'give viewpoints' without good reasoning/ with flawed or hypocritical reasoning. Which is why i am irritated enough to resort to name-calling. This is internet, everyone can do whatever they like. I like poking at stupid people, it's a fetish.

for a small lesson on equating and relating:
facts:
Suresh is an Indian student.
Ah Meng is a Chinese student.
equating:
Suresh and Ah Meng are Indian students.
relating:
Suresh is an Indian student. Ah Meng is also a student.

Obviously the equating statement is wrong while the relating one is not.
Relating these to your statement:

You are equating NEP and Ketuanan Melayu and role of BM and Islam being compromised by DAP. However since you DO NOT have the facts to support these compromise other than NEP, you are talking nonsense.


It was a personal attack on you. Bite me.

Sorry, sonofgunungjerai earned my respect with a single reply to my post. He have his viewpoints and he stick it thru with good solid evidence. He doesn't say things like all Malaysians are equal, but Malay Supremacy must be upheld.
I didn't say he is extremist nor do i say he promote extremist. what i said was:


which i do understand is slightly rude. But i think the sentiments were shared by others as well.
for example:

and he replied with substance

which satisfy my question and doubts, and at the same time earning my respect, and also made me interested in going thru all the long posts.

Again you tried to equate this situation of me and sonofgunungjerai to that of me and you. Get this right, i respect sonofgunungjerai for his vast knowledge and patience. I personally condemn you. A big FAIL to you to try to equate yourself to the likes of sonofgunungjerai.


Bring it on. If you can come out with concrete and solid reasoning to prove me wrong then i will say i am wrong, hands-down. But so far, you have only proved that you are not even up to my standard. Your logic is flawed, and you cannot defend your stand on Malay Supremacy because you KNOW it is an unjust policy. You cannot argue effectively because there is no basis nor example of such unjust practice anywhere else on earth that do not invite criticism on multiple fronts.



Save your life story for your grandchildren if you ever have any. Pacy is pacy, you is you, me is me. Want to complain bout pacy, send him a pm. I personally dislike the way he joke about islamic practices.


Its ok. I understand. People avoid in denial most of the time. It takes only the ballsiest to live up to the challenge and make a stand. And also the brave to accept their mistakes. You are just a low-life in denial.

Oi Esfan. .. losing your cool it seems.. by the way if ya spoon feed yourself, i believe nobody would gives a $hit bout it. But thing is different when somebody had to be the one spoon feeding you. Get the a steer, mate.


QUOTE(Esfandiari @ Nov 29 2008, 08:24 AM)-You think NEP spoon feeding? So what!!

QUOTE(plastiCube @ Nov 18 2008, 10:04 AM) *

There is no point in making a statement if it is a hollow one. What is the point in saying to your wife "I love you" when you sleep around with other women. Malaysia should belong to all Malaysians in words and in deeds.So, as long as the non Malays are not treated the worst they can be treated or not as badly as the worst of what is going on in the world, they should be greatful? Is this your idea of Malaysia for all Malaysians? Since the British treated Malays reasonably well during the colonial times, why weren't the Malays greatful or consider everything OK in Malaya, OKKKKK????? Or is now that the shoe is on the other foot, your values of what is the acceptable treatment of others change? How soon we forget.

What has Israel got to do with Malaysia, besides I'm unaware of any laws in Israel that discriminate against Arabs in either an economical or educational way based simply on race.

Tell me what that is not in the Constitution that is enjoyed simply by the Chinese at the "generosity" of the Malaysian govnt? What is historically yours that is either in or not in the constitution that you claim is your historical right. Show me where in Malaysia's history have Malays enjoyed "special" prevelidges, like those proclaimed in the NEP. Show me where in Malaysia's history has there ever been a civil law prohibiting Malays from changing religions, or where religious laws take precedence over state laws. Also, even if you are correct, and that Malays did enjoy these "historical" prevelidges, where does it say you are still entitled to it. No matter what you say, weather you are indigenous or not, Malays were still not the earliest settlers in Malaya, if you use "historical" rights in defending your specail prevelidges then again by your own definitions, your rights lose out to those of the Orang Asli. Or is it in your view that the rights of historical prevelidges stop when they don't benefit you?

Nobody has yet given ANY defence of the Social Contract and as such the special prevelidges enjoyed by Malays, suffice to say that proponents of it claim it was agreed to by our forefathers, well if this is true which of our forefathers agreed to this and what were the terms of the contract? Come on Estfan, you or anyone else tell me. Don't mistake us for being so stupid that we will believe any bull$hit UMNO rhetoric you spout at us. You can't use the ISA here to shut people up.

You have a great statement, I stood behind your back. Still, this is an open discussion- it's better to have a rational dialogue without resorting to intimidations or the like.

I agree. Open discussion. However, a rational dialogue may be hard to get.

How do you get someone to start chewing solid food when he has been sucking on his mother's breasts for 50 years? Pak Esfan simply refuse to give up his special privileges. He wants the Social Contract for life. He has a full set of teeth but refuses to chew.

Incorrect Pak Lah in a speech about a year ago stated that the NEP needed a specific time frame and that it needed to end and the end should be sooner rather then later, but it was not reported on by the mainstream media.

For making that speech, Pak Lah is being sent out to pasture. I tell you truly, these guys just won't chew solid food. They just want to suck.

You know, I'm beginning to think it might be a good idea to write a book.

I might call it "Whining, moaning, groaning n griping your way to no where in particular". I'd get plenty of ideas from AF.

Particularly Malaysia Chat.

Very particularly, this thread.

Hey, Awang. We are not whining and we are getting somewhere - up your craw.

What you call whining, we call speaking up against bad and un-Islamic behavior. You are no muslim. Not a single one of you are. As long as there is Allah, our whining will get to his ears. And we are already beginning to see his hand at work to destroy the oppressiveness of corruption and abusive use of C4 on women. This is a battle between good muslims and bad muslims. And you are bad, Awang.

(You can use this for your book.)