Just type in RFE or Russian Far East with Chinese in google.com and you get a hella lot of articles about Chinese expansions in the RFE region, what do you think, Russians overly nervous and overhyping about the situation or are the CHinese really trying to slowly and quietly invade this area?

Many have built businesses in this area, they number about 20,000 to 35,000 accroding to Chinese statistics, Russians estimate it from a conservative and perhaps accruate 200,000 to a whopping and perhaps largely exagerrated 500,000 to 1 million.

The way I see it, the Chinese are better off just stripping the RFE of their timber, natural resources for cheap of next to nothing (usually poor quality sometimes toxic Chinese vodka is exhcnage for the resources), whilst they dont have to deal or pay the environmental damage they cause. Having official claim to the land will create this problem.

The Chinese have been robbed by the Russians, sure they got Inner Mongolia thansk to the Russians but lost teh slab of Outer Manchuria (which is way better than Inner Mongolia)...it has sea access..vital for any big economy.

Both China and Russia have claims to the Russian Far East, neither more legitimate than the other

HOWEVER, Russia is rapidly declining, acquiring the territory wouldn't be too difficult

BTW, this belongs in the Chinese Serious Chat section. Mods, please move it

Really? If anything, the Outer Manchurian part should really belong to China, as this was the original lands of the Qing dynasty prior to 1860 treaty. What can Russia really claim? Russians only migrated to this part in the late 1800s, when Stalin started to move people into this region to have an iron grip control over it.

Pretty much what China is trying to do with Hans in Xinjiang (50:50 split), Tibet (Hans fast becoming majority) and Inner Mongolia (now Hans are the majority).

Your IQ seems to drop by 20 points or something.

Anyway, it is a legitimate fear since Russians are moving out of RFE while Chinese ethnics are moving in and gradually exerting their economic influence in the region. They're also illegally chopping down Russian forests to fuel China's appetite for wood.

Neither China nor Russia have legitimate claim to this region so you cannot say that Russia robbed the RFE from China. If you go further back in history, you can say that the China of today is built on robbed territories of other ethnic groups, of which some were subsequently wiped out by the Hans and gone extinct.

I don't think the Russians will let RFE go, at whatever the cost. Look at Chechnya, they've lost 10,000 soldiers over a tiny wasteland yet still wants it. RFE is just too valuable (timber, oil, minerals, access to Sea Of Japan and Pacific Ocean... and Vladivostok is the only Russian warm harbour I think). If China wants it back, she'll have to be prepared for a major war with the Russians.

well,i thought you meant the majority of the Russian Far East

its inevitability that China will re-acquire the RFE

btw, the word "Manchuria"NOW refers to the ethnic group, the land once known as Manchuria is Dongbei

What do you mean it's inevitable? With what? How?

Anything "pro Chinese" SEEMS to be -20 points on the IQ scale according to Quoc..anything anti CHinese is +20.




Its kinda already too late when the Chinese are building hotels and resturants around Khaborvsk and Vladivostok to the remote Irstusk, damn Russian cities are hard to spell. Anyway...you get the drift.



What the hell? The Treaty of Norbosvisk and this other treaty was signed in 1850s and 1860s by the then Qing conqueres, similar to the HK land ceding. Only that the powerful Russians then completely TOOK OVER the RFE part. Note that Outer Manchuria was "loaned" to the Russians, not sold off, none of the Chinese lands were "sold off" rather they allowed "foreign quaters". Vladivostok was once known as Haishenwei and Kharbovsk as Bohai.



This is arguable, they wouldnt WANT to let got the Outer Manchurian part...but this once heavily armed area (around the borders) is now a lot less strict. The Russian governemnt doesnt really control this area anymore, its more the Russian Maffias who control it. Yes, Vladivostok is the only ice free Russian port on the Pacific Rim....If the Russian government wanted to keep this land so much, they would have invested more into this region (RFE gets nearly $hit all from the Russian budget each year), not withdraw troops from the borders. They complain but do nothing about it.

Ahahaha ok


I think what the Chinese are doing is just fine, as long as they have no other intentions and the Russians are keeping a firm eye on the region.


As you said, it was signed by the Qing conquerors. It didn't even belong to the Hans in the first place so China has no claim to it whatsoever. I know what you're gonna say, like Manchu are part of China, thus Dongbei belongs to China. That's a load of $hit since Chinese considers the Manchus to be foreigners and conquerors.



Well let the dumb Russians lose it, I couldn't care less.

Good, it's singular.