Was Japan an Aggressor Nation?
Tamogami Toshio
(Chief of Staff,JASDF)
Under the terms of the US-Japan Security Treaty, American troops are stationed within
Japan. Nobody calls this an American invasion of Japan. That is because it is based on a treaty
agreed upon between two nations.
Our country is said to have invaded the Chinese mainland and the Korean peninsula in the
prewar period, but surprisingly few people are aware that the Japanese army was also stationed
in these countries on the basis of treaties. The advance of the Japanese army onto the Korean
peninsula and Chinese mainland from the latter half of the 19th century on was not a unilateral
advance without the understanding of those nations. The current Chinese government obstinately
insists that there was a “Japanese invasion,” but Japan obtained its interests in the Chinese
mainland legally under international law through the Sino-Japanese War, the Russo-Japanese
War, and so on, and it placed its troops there based on treaties in order to protect those interests.
There are those who say that Japan applied pressure and forced the Chinese to sign the treaty,
thus invalidating it, but back then – and even now – there were no treaties signed without some
amount of pressure.
The Japanese army was subjected to frequent acts of terrorism by Chiang Kai-shek’s
Kuomintang (KMT). Large-scale attacks on and murders of Japanese citizens occurred many
times. This would be like the Japanese Self-Defense Forces attacking the US troops stationed at
the Yokota or Yokosuka military bases, committing acts of violence and murder against the
American soldiers and their families – it would be unforgivable. Despite that, the Japanese
government patiently tried to bring about peace, but at every turn they were betrayed by Chiang
Kai-shek. In fact, Chiang Kai-shek was being manipulated by Comintern. As a result of the Second
United Front of 1936, large numbers of guerillas from the Communist Party of Comintern puppet
Mao Zedong infiltrated the KMT. The objective of Comintern was to pit the Japanese army and
the KMT against each other to exhaust them both and, in the end, to have Mao Zedong’s
Communist Party control mainland China. Finally, our country could no longer put up with the
repeated provocations of the KMT, and on August 15, 1937, the Konoe Fumimaro Cabinet
declared that “now we must take determined measures to punish the violent and unreasonable
actions of the Chinese army and encourage the Nanking Government to reconsider.” Our country
was a victim, drawn into the Sino-Japanese War by Chiang Kai-shek.
The bombing of Zhang Zuolin’s train in 1928 was for a long time said to have been the work
of the Kwantung Army, but in recent years, Soviet intelligence documents have been discovered
that at the very least cast doubt on the Kwantung Army’s role. According to such books as Mao:
The Mao Zedong Nobody Knew by Jung Chang (Kodansha) 「マオ（誰も知らなかった毛沢
東）（ユン・チアン、講談社）」, Ko Bunyu Looks Positively at the Greater East Asian War
by Ko Bunyu (WAC Co.) 「黄文雄の大東亜戦争肯定論（黄文雄、ワック出版）」, and
Refine Your Historical Power, Japan edited by Sakurai Yoshiko (Bungei Shunju) 「日本よ、
「歴史力」を磨け（櫻井よしこ編、文藝春秋）」, the theory that it was actually the work
of Comintern has gained a great deal of prominence recently.
Similarly, the Marco Polo Bridge Incident on July 7, 1937, immediately prior to the start of
the Sino-Japanese War, had been considered as a kind of proof of Japan’s invasion of China.
However, we now know that during the Tokyo War Trials, Liu Shaoqi of the Chinese
Communist Party told Western reporters at a press conference, “The instigator of the Marco Polo
Bridge Incident was the Chinese Communist Party, and the officer in charge was me.”
If you say that Japan was the aggressor nation, then I would like to ask what country among
the great powers of that time was not an aggressor. That is not to say that because other countries
were doing so it was all right for Japan to do so well, but rather that there is no reason to single
out Japan as an aggressor nation.
Japan tried to develop Manchuria, the Korean Peninsula, and Taiwan in the same way it was
developing the Japanese mainland. Among the major powers at that time, Japan was the only
nation that tried to incorporate its colonies within the nation itself. In comparison to other
countries, Japan’s colonial rule was very moderate. When Imperial Manchuria was established in
January 1932, the population was thirty million. That population increased each year by more
than 1 million people, reaching fifty million by the end of the war in 1945.
Why was there such a population explosion in Manchuria? It was because Manchuria was a
prosperous and safe region. People would not be flocking to a place that was being invaded. The
plains of Manchuria, where there was almost no industry other than agriculture, was reborn as a
vital industrial nation in just fifteen years thanks to the Japanese government. On the Korean
Peninsula as well, during the thirty-five years of Japanese rule the population roughly doubled
from thirteen million to twenty-five million people. That is proof that Korea under Japanese rule
was also prosperous and safe. In postwar Japan, people say that the Japanese army destroyed the
peaceful existence in Manchuria and on the Korean Peninsula. But in fact, through the efforts of
the Japanese government and Japanese army, the people in these areas were released from the
oppression they had been subjected to up until then, and their standard of living markedly
improved.
Our country built many schools in Manchuria, the Korean Peninsula, and Taiwan, and
emphasized education for the native people. We left behind significant improvements to the
infrastructure that affects everyday life – roads, power plants, water supply, etc. And we
established Keijo Imperial University in Korea in 1924 as well as the Taipei Imperial University
in 1928 in Taiwan.
Following the Meiji Restoration, the Japanese government established nine imperial
universities. Keijo Imperial University was the sixth and Taipei Imperial University was the
seventh to be built. The subsequent order was that Osaka Imperial University was eighth (1931)
and Nagoya Imperial University was ninth (1939). The Japanese government actually built
imperial universities in Korea and Taiwan even before Osaka and Nagoya.
The Japanese government also permitted the enrollment of Chinese and Japanese citizens
into the Imperial Japanese Army Academy. At the Manila military tribunal following the war,
there was a lieutenant general in the Japanese army named Hong Sa-ik, a native Korean who was
sentenced to death. Hong graduated in the 26th class at the Army Academy, where he was a
classmate of Lt. General Kuribayashi Tadamichi, who gained fame at Iwo Jima.
Hong was a person who rose to lieutenant general in the Imperial Japanese Army while
retaining his Korean name. One class behind him at the academy was Col. Kim Suk-won, who
served as a major in China at the time of the Sino-Japanese War. Leading a force of roughly
1,000 Japanese troops, he trampled the army from China, the former suzerain state that had been
bullying Korea for hundreds of years. He was decorated by the emperor for his meritorious war
service. Of course, he did not change his name. In China, Chiang Kai-shek also graduated from
the Imperial Japanese Army Academy and received training while attached to a regiment in
Takada, in Niigata.
One year below Kim Suk-won at the academy was the man who would be Chiang’s staff
officer, He Yingqin. The last crown prince of the Yi dynasty, Crown Prince Yi Eun also attended
the Army Academy, graduating in the 29th class. Crown Prince Yi Eun was brought to Japan as
a sort of hostage at the age of ten. However, the Japanese government treated him respectfully as
a member of the royal family, and after receiving his education at Gakushuin, he graduated from
the Imperial Japanese Army Academy. In the army, he was promoted and served as a lieutenant
general. Crown Prince Yi Eun was married to Japan’s Princess Nashimotonomiya Masako. She
was a woman of nobility who previously had been considered as a potential bride for the Showa
Emperor. If the Japanese government had intended to smash the Yi dynasty, they surely would
not have permitted the marriage of a woman of this stature to Crown Prince Yi Eun.
Incidentally, in 1930, the Imperial Household Agency built a new residence for the couple.
It is now the Akasaka Prince Hotel Annex. Also, Prince Pujie, the younger brother of Puyi – the
last emperor of the Qing Dynasty, who was also the emperor of Manchuria – was married to
Lady Saga Hiro of the noble Saga house.
When you compare this with the countries that were considered to be major powers at the
time, you realize that Japan’s posture toward Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan was completely
different from the colonial rule of the major powers. England occupied India, but it did not
provide education for the Indian people. Indians were not permitted to attend the British military
academy. Of course, they would never have considered a marriage between a member of the
British royal family and an Indian. This holds true for Holland, France, America, and other
countries as well.
By contrast, from before the start of World War II, Japan had been calling for harmony
between the five tribes, laying out a vision for the tribes – the Yamato (Japanese), Koreans,
Chinese, Manchurians, and Mongols – to intermix and live peacefully together. At a time when
racial discrimination was considered natural, this was a groundbreaking proposal. At the Paris
Peace Conference at the end of World War I, when Japan urged that the abolition of racial
discrimination be included in the treaty, England and America laughed it off. But if you look at
the world today, it has become the kind of world that Japan was urging at the time.
Going back in time to 1901, in the aftermath of the Boxer Rebellion, the Qing Empire signed
the Boxer Protocol in 1901 with eleven countries including Japan. As a result, our country
gained the right to station troops in Qing China, and began by dispatching 2,600 troops there.
Also, in 1915, following four months of negotiations with the government of Yuan Shikai, and
incorporating China’s points as well, agreement was reached on Japan’s so-called 21 Demands
toward China. Some people say that this was the start of Japan’s invasion of China, but if you
compare these demands to the general international norms of colonial administration by the great
powers at the time, there was nothing terribly unusual about it. China too accepted the demands
at one point and ratified them.
However, four years later, in 1919, when China was allowed to attend the Paris Peace
Conference, it began complaining about the 21 Demands with America’s backing. Even then,
England and France supported Japan’s position. Moreover, Japan never advanced its army
without the agreement of Chiang Kai-shek’s KMT.
The Japanese army in Beijing, which was stationed there from 1901, still comprised just
5,600 troops at the time of the Marco Polo Bridge Incident thirty-six years later. At that time,
tens of thousands of KMT troops were spread out in the area surrounding Beijing, and even in
terms of appearances it was a far cry from being an invasion. As symbolized by Foreign Minister
Shidehara Kijuro, our country’s basic policy at the time was one of reconciliation with China,
and that has not changed even today.
There are some who say that it was because Japan invaded the Chinese mainland and the
Korean Peninsula that it ended up entering the war with the United States, where it lost three
million people and met with defeat; it committed an irrevocable error. However, it has also been
confirmed now that Japan was ensnared in a trap that was very carefully laid by the United States
in order to draw Japan into a war.
In fact, America was also being manipulated by Comintern. There are official documents
called the Venona Files, which are available on the National Security Agency (NSA) website. It
is a massive set of documents, but in the May 2006 edition of “Monthly Just Arguments” 「月
刊正論」, (then) Assistant Professor Fukui of Aoyama Gakuin University offered a summary
introduction.
The Venona Files are a collection of transmissions between Comintern and agents in the
United States, which the United States was monitoring for eight years, from 1940 to 1948. At the
time, the Soviets were changing their codes after each message, so the United States could not
decipher them. From 1943, right in the middle of the war with Japan, the United States began its
decryption work. Surprisingly, it took thirty-seven years to finish the work; it was completed just
before the start of the Reagan administration in 1980. However, since it was the middle of the
Cold War, the Americans kept these documents classified.
In 1995, following the end of the Cold War, they were declassified and made open to the
public. According to those files, there were three hundred Comintern spies working in the
administration of Franklin D. Roosevelt, who took office in 1933. Among them, one who rose to
the top was the number two official at the Treasury, Assistant Secretary Harry White. Harry
White is said to have been the perpetrator who wrote the Hull note, America’s final notice to
Japan before the war began. Through President Roosevelt’s good friend, Treasury Secretary
Morgenthau, he was able to manipulate President Roosevelt and draw our country into a war
with the United States.
At the time, Roosevelt was not aware of the terrible nature of communism. Through Harry
White, he was on the receiving end of Comintern’s maneuvering, and he was covertly offering
strong support to Chiang Kai-shek, who was battling Japan at the time, sending the Flying Tigers
squadron comprised of one hundred fighter planes. Starting one and a half months prior to the
attack on Pearl Harbor, the United States began covert air attacks against Japan on the Chinese
mainland.
Roosevelt had become president on his public pledge not to go to war, so in order to start a
war between the United States and Japan it had to appear that Japan took the first shot. Japan was
caught in Roosevelt’s trap and carried out the attack on Pearl Harbor.
Could the war have been avoided? If Japan had accepted the conditions lain out by the
United States in the Hull note, perhaps the war could have been temporarily avoided. But even if
the war had been avoided temporarily, when you consider the survival of the fittest mentality that
dominated international relations at the time, you can easily imagine that the United States would
have issued a second and a third set of demands. As a result, those of us living today could very
well have been living in a Japan that was a white nation’s colony.
If you leave people alone, someday someone will create the conveniences of civilization,
such as cars, washing machines, and computers. But in the history of mankind, the relationship
between the rulers and the ruled is only determined by war. It is impossible for those who are
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powerful to grant concessions on their own. Those who do not fight must resign themselves to
being ruled by others.
After the Greater East Asia War, many countries in Asia and Africa were released from the
control of white nations. A world of racial equality arrived and problems between nations were
to be decided through discussion. That was a result of Japan’s strength in fighting the Russo-
Japanese War and Greater East Asia War. If Japan had not fought the Greater East War at that
time, it may have taken another one hundred or two hundred years before we could have
experienced the world of racial equality that we have today. In that sense, we must be grateful to
our ancestors who fought for Japan and to the spirits of those who gave their precious lives for
their country. It is thanks to them that we are able to enjoy the peaceful and plentiful lifestyle we
have today.
On the other hand, there are those who call the Greater East Asia War “that stupid war.”
They probably believe that even without fighting a war we could have achieved today’s peaceful
and plentiful society. It is as if they think that all of our country’s leaders at that time were stupid.
We undertook a needless war and many Japanese citizens lost their lives. They seem to be saying
that all those who perished actually died in vain.
However, when you look back at the history of mankind, you understand that nothing is as
simple as that. Even today, once a decision is made about an international relationship it is
extremely difficult to overturn that. Based on the US-Japan Security Treaty, America possesses
bases even in Japan’s capital region of Tokyo. Even if Japan said they wanted those bases back,
they would not be easily returned. In terms of our relationship with Russia as well, the Northern
Islands remain illegally occupied even after more than sixty years. And Takeshima remains
under the effective control of South Korea.
The Tokyo Trials tried to push all the responsibility for the war onto Japan. And that mind
control is still misleading the Japanese people sixty-three years after the war. The belief is that if
the Japanese army becomes stronger, it will certainly go on a rampage and invade other countries,
so we need to make it as difficult as possible for the Self-Defense Forces (SDF) to act. The SDF
cannot even defend its own territory, it cannot practice collective self-defense, there are many
limitations on its use of weapons, and the possession of offensive weaponry is forbidden.
Compared to the militaries of other countries, the SDF is bound hand and foot and immobilized.
Unless our country is released from this mind control, it will never have a system for
protecting itself through its own power. We have no choice but to be protected by America. If we
are protected by America, then the Americanization of Japan will be accelerated. Japan’s
economy, its finances, its business practices, its employment system, its judicial system will all
converge with the American system. Our country’s traditional culture will be destroyed by the
parade of reforms. Japan is undergoing a cultural revolution, is it not? But are the citizens of
Japan living in greater ease now or twenty years ago? Is Japan becoming a better country?
I am not repudiating the US-Japan alliance. Good relations between Japan and the United
States are essential to the stability of the Asian region. However, what is most desirable in the
US-Japan relationship is something like a good relationship between parent and child, where
they come to each other’s aid when needed, as opposed to the kind of relationship where the
child remains permanently dependant on the parent.
Creating a structure where we can protect our country ourselves allows us to preemptively
prevent an attack on Japan, and at the same time serves to bolster our position in diplomatic
negotiations. This is understood in many countries to be perfectly normal, but that concept has
not gotten through to our citizens.
Even now, there are many people who think that our country’s aggression caused unbearable
suffering to the countries of Asia during the Greater East Asia War. But we need to realize that
many Asian countries take a positive view of the Greater East Asia War. In Thailand, Burma,
India, Singapore, and Indonesia, the Japan that fought the Greater East Asia War is held in high
esteem. We also have to realize that while many of the people who had direct contact with the
Japanese army viewed them positively, it is often those who never directly saw the Japanese
military who are spreading rumors about the army’s acts of brutality. Many foreigners have
testified to the strict military discipline of the Japanese troops as compared to those of other
countries. It is certainly a false accusation to say that our country was an aggressor nation.
Japan is a wonderful country that has a long history and exceptional traditions. We, as
Japanese people, must take pride in our country’s history. Unless they are influenced by some
particular ideology, people will naturally love the hometown and the country where they were
born. But in Japan’s case, if you look assiduously at the historical facts, you will understand that
what this country has done is wonderful. There is absolutely no need for lies and fabrications. If
you look at individual events, there were probably some that would be called misdeeds. That is
the same as saying that there is violence and murder occurring today even in advanced nations.
We must take back the glorious history of Japan. A nation that denies its own history is
destined to pursue a path of decline.
Full Version: Was Japan an aggressor?
After reading it, he makes very valid points.
..No....Japan tried to throw the foreigners from England and the USA out of Asia because they were doing whatever they pleased across Asia, many countries actually thanked Japan.
QUOTE(Oyabun @ Nov 15 2008, 11:59 PM) [snapback]4010411[/snapback]
..No....Japan tried to throw the foreigners from England and the USA out of Asia because they were doing whatever they pleased across Asia, many countries actually thanked Japan.
LOL who thanked japan
QUOTE(ryuji_yamamoto @ Nov 15 2008, 09:24 PM) [snapback]4010353[/snapback]
there was a lieutenant general in the Japanese army named Hong Sa-ik, a native Korean who was sentenced to death. Hong graduated in the 26th class at the Army Academy, where he was a classmate of Lt. General Kuribayashi Tadamichi, who gained fame at Iwo Jima. Hong was a person who rose to lieutenant general in the Imperial Japanese Army while retaining his Korean name. One class behind him at the academy was Col. Kim Suk-won, who served as a major in China at the time of the Sino-Japanese War. Leading a force of roughly 1,000 Japanese troops, he trampled the army from China
Park Jung-Hee, one of the most admired presidents among the Koreans, was also served as a second lieutenant in the Japanese army, and fought against the "Chinese guerillas" during World War II.
QUOTE(Mid-Night_Sun @ Nov 16 2008, 11:10 AM) [snapback]4010420[/snapback]
LOL who thanked japan
Lol. Someone's trying to rewrite history.
Great east asian war is not an eastern asia union. The japanese came in and invade. They did not ask the local if they can stay, they just went in and take everything. With all logical means, noone can justified such an invasion and twist it as benefitial and legal for the asian communities.
What I dont understand, is why certain group of the japanese population constantly dig back into WW2 and try to justified it. Are u people that stubid? Do u not see that you have a giant negiboor that is going to get bigger and bigger everyday? Why are you digging back ww2 agression and pissing off your giant asian negiboor.
If japan can use east asian war as a way to justified WW2, guess what, the Chinese can justified invading japan in the name of liberating japan from US milliatry base collizatation. And I know plenty of Chinese natioanl who would take any excuse to go to war with Japan just for the payback. Given the immense hatred and the small size of japan, why the hell are you still provoking the chinese with ww2 atropies? Do you really want to go to war with China? Cause you know, this time the chinese and the PLA are more then ready for a 4th war with japan.
What I dont understand, is why certain group of the japanese population constantly dig back into WW2 and try to justified it. Are u people that stubid? Do u not see that you have a giant negiboor that is going to get bigger and bigger everyday? Why are you digging back ww2 agression and pissing off your giant asian negiboor.
If japan can use east asian war as a way to justified WW2, guess what, the Chinese can justified invading japan in the name of liberating japan from US milliatry base collizatation. And I know plenty of Chinese natioanl who would take any excuse to go to war with Japan just for the payback. Given the immense hatred and the small size of japan, why the hell are you still provoking the chinese with ww2 atropies? Do you really want to go to war with China? Cause you know, this time the chinese and the PLA are more then ready for a 4th war with japan.
China and Japan will never go to war with eachother, 1 reason is that Japan is still an occupied country by the US.
if China were to wage war with Japan they are waging war with the US, which neither country wants.
we rely on each others economic values too much for that.
Japan are a very proud people who do not want to admit they were wrong, remember it is no only Bushido code but a belief that almost all Japanese have.
Death before dishoonor, and to admit defeat would mean that they admit dishoner, and dishonor is worse then death.
My family were very Buddhist and didnt support what was happening by the Japanese in WW2 so they chose to come to America and serve in an internment camp.
my grandfather felt he had let his family down by bringing them here to be put into a prison camp.
and had said many times that if he had the opportunity he would had commited sepuku in the camp to try to save face from the shame he felt from both his family and what his country was doing.
just a tidbit of info, take it how you will.
I hate this argument and think we should all move past it, guaranteed none of us were there.
if China were to wage war with Japan they are waging war with the US, which neither country wants.
we rely on each others economic values too much for that.
Japan are a very proud people who do not want to admit they were wrong, remember it is no only Bushido code but a belief that almost all Japanese have.
Death before dishoonor, and to admit defeat would mean that they admit dishoner, and dishonor is worse then death.
My family were very Buddhist and didnt support what was happening by the Japanese in WW2 so they chose to come to America and serve in an internment camp.
my grandfather felt he had let his family down by bringing them here to be put into a prison camp.
and had said many times that if he had the opportunity he would had commited sepuku in the camp to try to save face from the shame he felt from both his family and what his country was doing.
just a tidbit of info, take it how you will.
I hate this argument and think we should all move past it, guaranteed none of us were there.
I see. His entire argument is based on the fact that there were treaties between Japan and China and Korea. In that case, he would certainly be correct except for the fact that the treaties were...well, forced.
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I hate this argument and think we should all move past it, guaranteed none of us were there.
Just want to point out that most people hate the ww2 issues and should all move past it. None of us were there at ww2 but it did affect us all. You are in the US cause ur granpa want to avoid the war. I am in EU because China no longer have the oppertunity I seek during my Univ years.
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if China were to wage war with Japan they are waging war with the US, which neither country wants.
What makes you think the chinese wont wage war with the US in the future? We are already waging a trade war right now.
There is no question that japan was an aggressor. It is a fact.
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Nov 16 2008, 02:55 AM) [snapback]4010716[/snapback]
What makes you think the chinese wont wage war with the US in the future? We are already waging a trade war right now.
Because if the US pulled its industry out of China it would be an economic down fall for both countries. China relies on US money to keep there factories going (trust me, im a partner in a Chinese factory) and the US cant affored to pay US workers to do the same work.
its an economic relationship that neither country wants to lose. it always comes back to money.
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Because if the US pulled its industry out of China it would be an economic down fall for both countries. China relies on US money to keep there factories going (trust me, im a partner in a Chinese factory) and the US cant affored to pay US workers to do the same work.
its an economic relationship that neither country wants to lose. it always comes back to money.
its an economic relationship that neither country wants to lose. it always comes back to money.
China relies US customer to keep factories going. Also important is EU and east asia customers. Investment money, china has plenty. Customer to keep facoties moving is differcult at the moment, because americans, and european are not browwing enough to buy right now.
Factories wont all close, even if noone buys from china, the Chinese domestic markets are still there for Chinese products. The problem is that the Chinese market are not fully mature yet, which is why the Chinese wish the current crisis to be over so that the US and EU customer can keep buying.
BTW, it is the US that cant afford to pay US workers. Thats why nowadays u see factories in China, India, and southeast asia.
you just said the exact same thing i did in a different way, you did not make a point at all.
and the US companies that have moved to China are what im talking about. China's economy is not yet strong enough to sustain itself on Chinese manufactured goods alone, exporting is what keeps China alive.
as I said, I own a factory in guangzhou, so i know a bit about Chinese and US economic relations.
also with the UN if the US went to war with China, US allies would pull there money out of Chinas economy also.
as i said before its all about money, and if China is at war and spending billions of dollars on war, there will be no one in the world that is buying from Chinese factories during that time.
and the US companies that have moved to China are what im talking about. China's economy is not yet strong enough to sustain itself on Chinese manufactured goods alone, exporting is what keeps China alive.
as I said, I own a factory in guangzhou, so i know a bit about Chinese and US economic relations.
also with the UN if the US went to war with China, US allies would pull there money out of Chinas economy also.
as i said before its all about money, and if China is at war and spending billions of dollars on war, there will be no one in the world that is buying from Chinese factories during that time.
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you just said the exact same thing i did in a different way, you did not make a point at all.
and the US companies that have moved to China are what im talking about. China's economy is not yet strong enough to sustain itself on Chinese manufactured goods alone, exporting is what keeps China alive.
as I said, I own a factory in guangzhou, so i know a bit about Chinese and US economic relations.
also with the UN if the US went to war with China, US allies would pull there money out of Chinas economy also.
as i said before its all about money, and if China is at war and spending billions of dollars on war, there will be no one in the world that is buying from Chinese factories during that time.
and the US companies that have moved to China are what im talking about. China's economy is not yet strong enough to sustain itself on Chinese manufactured goods alone, exporting is what keeps China alive.
as I said, I own a factory in guangzhou, so i know a bit about Chinese and US economic relations.
also with the UN if the US went to war with China, US allies would pull there money out of Chinas economy also.
as i said before its all about money, and if China is at war and spending billions of dollars on war, there will be no one in the world that is buying from Chinese factories during that time.
Which is why I said China is waging a trade war right now.
Later thou, (30-50years) it will be a political and military confrontation.
Which is why I mentioned the current attitude of these right winged neo-imperial japanese should stop provoking China and the rest of Asia regarding WW2, because in any future confrontation (miltary or economics), Japan will losses with or without NATO. I dont see why japan would want to make enermy with China. Shouldnt Japan play smart and stand neutral??? Thats what I would do. Look at swez, and luxermberg, they stand neutral during ww2 and their countires wasnt destroy as a result.
Just to point out how reliable US loyaties to allies are, look at Gerogia, look at TW, look at Iran and Iraq (yes they were actual allies in the 60s-80s), and look at afgcanistan (soviet war).
yes but you have to look at the economic stability of those other countries, we went after Iraq because they were invading Iran, if it werent for there invasion we would had never went there, especially with the Bush family ties to the oil companies within the region. Iraq forced the hand in that situation.
afghanistan during the soviet war, we were only looking out for our interests by not allowing russia to take over afghanistan and take control of there oil fields, so we trained and equiped the taliban with weapons.
Japan is pretty neutral, theyre only interest is economically with China, there are only a few of the right wing imperialists that try to speak up, they dont make any decisions, only alot of noise. pointless.
Junichiro Koizumi has tried multiple times to calm tensions between the countries due to nanking massacres, and made multiple appologies etc...
but yes you are right, in 30-50 years China will be stable enough to stand on its own industry and possibly have a strong military position as well.
but i still think it will be at the help of the US.
which even now is trying to groom China into a democratic society.
afghanistan during the soviet war, we were only looking out for our interests by not allowing russia to take over afghanistan and take control of there oil fields, so we trained and equiped the taliban with weapons.
Japan is pretty neutral, theyre only interest is economically with China, there are only a few of the right wing imperialists that try to speak up, they dont make any decisions, only alot of noise. pointless.
Junichiro Koizumi has tried multiple times to calm tensions between the countries due to nanking massacres, and made multiple appologies etc...
but yes you are right, in 30-50 years China will be stable enough to stand on its own industry and possibly have a strong military position as well.
but i still think it will be at the help of the US.
which even now is trying to groom China into a democratic society.
A democractic Chinese president is still a Chinese president. We will still harbour anti-japanese feeling due to WW2. We will still have anti-EU feeling due to colonization. We still will have anti-US sentiment due to the fact that we seek to replace the US as World number 1. I dont see why forienger have this fantacy that a demcracy China will all of a sudden be US allies. Russia is democractic, so is Iran, they are anti-american. China with decmoracy will be the same. We are still Chinese. Even Japanese democracy still hold issues that are complete disagreement with the americans such as whaleing and nuclear subs.
But just out of cuiousity, why do u japanese unconditionally look up to the americans 60 years after the war? Seriously, even the viets have more balls standing up to the american with less resoures. Is this what happen when a country loss a war?
Btw, afgcan doesnt have oil, they have heroin and drugs. Iraq attack Iran with american support. Iraq attack kurwait which has no american support. You need to start reseaching on history a little and stop your historic fantascy. Americans are not that powerful, and japanese history are brutal not honourable.
But just out of cuiousity, why do u japanese unconditionally look up to the americans 60 years after the war? Seriously, even the viets have more balls standing up to the american with less resoures. Is this what happen when a country loss a war?
Btw, afgcan doesnt have oil, they have heroin and drugs. Iraq attack Iran with american support. Iraq attack kurwait which has no american support. You need to start reseaching on history a little and stop your historic fantascy. Americans are not that powerful, and japanese history are brutal not honourable.
It is naive to believe that if China were a democracy that it'd suddenly embrace Japan. Certainly Korea still has 2nd thoughts about Japan also.
I never said they would, i was just making the comparison wih Japan beiing more westernized.
that China may want to resist western influence but in reality it is embracing and depending on it more and more everyday.
you either get with the times or get out of the way, and China is not stupid, they know what they have to do to become a modern country even if they are hesitant.
im pretty much done with this discussion, it never leads anywhere and I personally dont care if you dislike Japan or not.
its obvious that this site is full of racism and prejudice towards Japan/ese.
that China may want to resist western influence but in reality it is embracing and depending on it more and more everyday.
you either get with the times or get out of the way, and China is not stupid, they know what they have to do to become a modern country even if they are hesitant.
im pretty much done with this discussion, it never leads anywhere and I personally dont care if you dislike Japan or not.
its obvious that this site is full of racism and prejudice towards Japan/ese.
QUOTE(ryuji_yamamoto @ Nov 15 2008, 10:24 PM) [snapback]4010353[/snapback]
Was Japan an Aggressor Nation?
Tamogami Toshio
(Chief of Staff,JASDF)
Under the terms of the US-Japan Security Treaty, American troops are stationed within
Japan. Nobody calls this an American invasion of Japan. That is because it is based on a treaty
agreed upon between two nations.
Tamogami Toshio
(Chief of Staff,JASDF)
Under the terms of the US-Japan Security Treaty, American troops are stationed within
Japan. Nobody calls this an American invasion of Japan. That is because it is based on a treaty
agreed upon between two nations.
I'm sorry abit crazy in the head and heart
. Perhaps there is a reason why some/all? 'American' wanted to mix with the noble and honorable 'Asian' so badly, jusz wanna help out a 'friend'. Thank for the history through. 
BTW: I hate the way my 'American' English101 fake teacher looked at me with her ugly 'American' eye. A fuk-ing b!tch i tell yall.
^ You must be confused.
Hm. Have American soldiers commit tortures, genocides, systematic rapes, mass murders and set up prisoner camps while being stationed in Japan?
Because that's what happened when Japanese soldiers were in China and Korea, with a treaty or not.
Because that's what happened when Japanese soldiers were in China and Korea, with a treaty or not.
South Korea is democratic republic. South Koreans certainly despise Japanese more than Chinese do.
Chinese' hatred towards Japanese is rooted in cultural and historical reasons, not political or ideological one. Changing the Chinese government is not going to change the cultural attitude nor the history of the Chinese people.
The only thing that will change the attitude is... time.
Chinese' hatred towards Japanese is rooted in cultural and historical reasons, not political or ideological one. Changing the Chinese government is not going to change the cultural attitude nor the history of the Chinese people.
The only thing that will change the attitude is... time.
Sun Yat-sen's speech on Pan-Asianism in Kyoto
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Sun_Yat_Sen%...on_Pan-Asianism
at that time most Japnese was the believer of Sun Yat-sen
why was there Japanese troops in China?
it was because of Boxer Rebellion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion
at that time, Beijin citizens welcomed Japanese soldiers to PKO.
however, Japan Japan was involved in their power struggles,KMT and CCP.
Japan protected settlement( Concession (territory)and the right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concession_(territory)
For example, there are many US bases in Japan.
If there is a something plot like that, it is easy to involved the conflict..
Mao said in 1964 " I thank for the Japanese Imperial Army"
QUOTE
Gentlemen: I highly appreciate this cordial reception with which you are honoring me today. The topic of the day is "Pan-Asianism," but before we touch upon the subject, we must first have a clear conception of Asia's place in the world. Asia, in my opinion, is the cradle of the world's oldest civilization. Several thousand years ago, its peoples had already attained an advanced civilization; even the ancient civilizations of the West, of Greece and Rome, had their origins on Asiatic soil. In Ancient Asia we had a philosophic, religious, logical and industrial civilization. The origins of the various civilizations of the modern world can be traced back to Asia's ancient civilization. It is only during the last few centuries that the countries and races of Asia have gradually degenerated and become weak, while the European countries have gradually developed their resources and become powerful. After the latter had fully developed their strength, they turned their attention to, and penetrated into, East Asia, where they either destroyed or pressed hard upon each and every one of the Asiatic nations, so that thirty years ago there existed, so to speak, no independent country in the whole of Asia. With this, we may say, the low water mark had been reached.
When Asia reached this point, the tide started to turn, and the turn meant the regeneration of Asia. It started thirty years ago when Japan abolished all the Unequal Treaties that she had entered into with the foreign countries. The day when the Unequal Treaties were abolished by Japan was a day of regeneration for all Asiatic peoples. After the abolition of the Unequal Treaties, Japan became the first independent country in Asia. The remaining countries, such as China, India, Persia, Afghanistan, Arabia, and Turkey were not independent, that is to say, they were still dominated, and treated as colonies, by Europe. Thirty years ago, Japan was also a colony of the European countries. But the Japanese were far-sighted. They realized that the only way to power was to struggle with the Europeans and to abolish all Unequal Treaties, which they did, thus turning Japan into an independent country. Since Japan has become an independent country in East Asia, the various nations in this part of the world have been buoyed up with a new hope. They realized that since Japan has been able to achieve her independence through the abolition of the Unequal Treaties, they could do the same. So once again they have mustered courage to conduct their various independent activities with the hope of shaking off the yoke of European restriction and domination and regaining their own rightful position in Asia. This has been the prevailing thought in Asia during the past thirty years, which indeed gives ground for optimism.
Thirty years ago the idea was different. Men thought and believed that European civilization was a progressive one-in science, industry, manufacture, and armament-and that Asia had nothing to compare with it. Consequently, they assumed that Asia could never resist Europe, that European oppression could never be shaken off. Such was the idea prevailing thirty years ago. It was a pessimistic idea. Even after Japan abolished the Unequal Treaties and attained the status of an independent country, Asia, with the exception of a few countries situated near Japan, was little influenced. Ten years later, however, the Russo-Japanese war broke out and Russia was defeated by Japan. For the first time in the history of the last several hundred years, an Asiatic country has defeated a European Power. The effect of this victory immediately spread over the whole Asia, and gave a new hope to all Asiatic peoples. In the year of the outbreak of the Russo-Japanese war I was in Europe. One day news came that Admiral Togo had defeated the Russian navy, annihilating in the Japan Sea the fleet newly dispatched from Europe to Vladivostock. The population of the whole continent was taken aback. Britain was Japan's Ally, yet most of the British people were painfully surprised, for in their eyes Japan's victory over Russia was certainly not a blessing for the White peoples. "Blood," after all, "is thicker than water." Later on I sailed for Asia. When the steamer passed the Suez Canal a number of natives came to see me. All of them wore smiling faces, and asked me whether I was a Japanese. I replied that I was a Chinese" and inquired what was in their minds, and why they were so happy. They said they had just heard the news that Japan had completely destroyed the Russian fleet recently dispatched from Europe, and were wondering how true the story was. Some of them, living on both banks of the Canal had witnessed Russian hospital ships, with wounded on boards, passing through the Canal from time to time. That was surely a proof of the Russian defeat, they added.
In former days, the colored races in Asia, suffering from the oppression of the Western peoples, thought that emancipation was impossible. We regarded that Russian defeat by Japan as the defeat of the West by the East. We regarded the Japanese victory as our own victory. It was indeed a happy event. Did not therefore this news of Russia's defeat by Japan affect the peoples of the whole of Asia? Was not its effect tremendous? While it may not have seemed so important and consequently have had only a slight effect on the peoples living in East Asia, it had a great effect on the peoples living in West Asia and in the neighborhood of Europe who were in constant touch with Europeans and subject to their oppression daily. The suffering of these Asiatic peoples was naturally greater than that of those living in the further East, and they were therefore more quick to respond to the news of this great victory.
Since the day of Japan's victory over Russia, the peoples of Asia have cherished the hope of shaking off the yoke of European oppression, a hope which has given rise to a series or independence movements-in Egypt, Persia, Turkey, Afghanistan, and finally in India. Therefore, Japan's defeat of Russia gave rise to a great hope for the independence of Asia. From the inception of this hope to the present day only 20 years have elapsed. The Egyptian, Turkish, Persian, Afghan, and Arabian independence movements have already materialized, and even the independence movement in India has, with the passage of time, been gaining ground. Such facts are concrete proofs of the progress of the nationalist idea in Asia. Until this idea reaches its full maturity, no unification or independence movement of the Asiatic peoples as a whole is possible. In East Asia, China and Japan are the two greatest peoples. China and Japan are the driving force of this nationalist movement. What will be the consequences of this driving force still remains to be seen. The present tide of events seems to indicate that not only China and Japan but all the peoples in East Asia will unite together to restore the former status of Asia.
Such a tendency is clearly evident to the eyes of Europe and America. One American scholar [1] has written a book to discuss the rise of the colored peoples, where he maintains that Japan's defeat of Russia amounts to a victory of the Yellow race over the White race, and that such a tendency, if unchecked, will result in the unification of the entire Yellow race, which will be a calamity for the White peoples, and ways and means should therefore be devised to prevent it. Subsequently, he wrote another book in which he described all emancipation movements as Revolts against Civilization. In his view, emancipation movements in Europe should be regarded as revolts against civilization; even more so should such emancipation movements in Asia be regarded. Such views are common among the privileged classes of -people in both Europe and America. A minority, they oppress the majority in their own continent or country. Now they wish to extend their evil practice to Asia, with a view to suppressing the nine hundred million people of Asia, and treating them as their slaves. This American scholar considers the awakening of the Asiatic peoples as a revolt against civilization. Thus, the Westerners consider themselves as the only ones possessed and worthy of true culture and civilization; other peoples with any culture or independent ideas are considered as Barbarians in revolt against Civilization. When comparing Occidental with Oriental civilization they only consider their own civilization logical and humanitarian.
From the aspect of cultural development during the last several hundred years, the material civilization of Europe has reached its height while Oriental civilization has remained stagnant. Outwardly, Europe is superior to Asia. Fundamentally, European civilization during the last several hundred years is one of scientific materialism. Such a civilization, when applied to society, will mean the cult of force, with aeroplanes, bombs, and cannons as its outstanding features. Recently, this cult of force has been repeatedly employed by the Western peoples to oppress Asia, and as a consequence, there is no progress in Asia. To oppress others with the cult of force, in the language of the Ancients, is the rule of Might. Therefore, European civilization is nothing but the rule of Might. The rule of might has always been looked down upon by the Orient. There is another kind of civilization superior to the rule of Might. The fundamental characteristics of this civilization are benevolence, justice and morality: This civilization makes people respect, not fear, it. Such a civilization is, in the language of the Ancients, the rule of Right or the Kingly Way. One may say, therefore, that Oriental civilization is one of the rule of right. Since the development of European materialistic civilization and the cult of Might, the morality of the world has been on the decline. Even in Asia, morality in several countries has degenerated. Of late, a number of European and American scholars have begun to study Oriental civilization and they realize that, while materially the Orient is far behind the Occident, morally the Orient is superior to the Occident.
Which civilization, the rule of Might or the rule of Right, will prove to be beneficial to justice and humanity, to nations and countries? You can give your own answer to this question.
I may cite an example here to illustrate the point. For instance, between 500 and 2000 years ago, there was a period of a thousand years when China was supreme in the world. Her status in the world then was similar to that of Great Britain and America today. What was the situation of the weaker nations toward China then? They respected China as their superior and sent annual tribute to China by their own will, regarding it as an honor to be allowed to do so. They wanted, of their own free will, to be dependencies of China. Those countries which sent tribute to China were not only situated in Asia but in distant Europe as well. But in what way did China maintain her prestige among so many small and weaker nations. Did she send her army or navy, i.e. use Might, to compel them to send their contributions? Not at all. It was not her rule of Might that forced the weaker nations to send tribute to China. It was the influence of her rule of Right. Once they were influenced by the "Kingly Way" of China they continued to send tribute, not merely once or twice, but the practice was carried on from generation to generation. This influence is felt even at the present moment; there are still traces and evidences of it.
There are two small countries situated to the north of India, namely, Bhutan and Nepal. These countries are small in size, but are inhabited by a brave, strong, and warlike people. During the present British rule of India, Britain often went to Nepal in search of soldiers in order to rule the Indians. A great deal of money by way of subsidies had to be spent before Britain was allowed to dispatch a political observer to Nepal. Even a great Power such as Great Britain had to respect her; Nepal was, in fact, a great Power in Asia. But what is the attitude of Nepal toward Great Britain during the past hundred years? Over hundred years ago India was conquered by Great Britain, and during this period Nepal was able to live peacefully on the border of the British colony. . Although hundred years have passed, Nepal has never sent tribute to Great Britain. Great Britain, on the other hand, has to spend a large 'sum by way of subsidies to Nepal. But what is the attitude of Nepal toward China? The status of China has deteriorated to such an extent that it is now inferior even to that of a British colony. Though far away from China Proper and separated from her by Tibet. Nepal considered China as her suzerain State and up to 1911 Nepal sent annual tribute to China via Tibet. In that year, however, when the Nepal commissioners reached Szechuan and found communications interrupted, they returned to their country. The differential attitude of Nepal toward Great Britain and toward China is due to the difference between the Oriental and Occidental civilization. China has degenerated during the last several hundred years, yet Nepal still respects her as a superior State. Great Britain, on the other hand, is a powerful country, but Nepal has been influenced by Chinese civilization, which, in her eyes, is the true civilization, while that of Britain is nothing but the rule of Might.
Now, what is the problem that underlies Pan-Asianism, the Principle of Greater Asia, which we are discussing here to-day?
Briefly, it is a cultural problem, a problem of comparison and conflict between the Oriental and Occidental culture and civilization. Oriental civilization is the rule of Right; Occidental civilization is the rule of Might. The rule of Right respects benevolence and virtue, while the rule of Might only respects force and utilitarianism. The rule of Right always influences people with justice and reason, while the rule of Might always oppresses people with brute force and military measures. People who are influenced by justice and virtue will never forget their superior State, even if that country has become weak. So Nepal even now willingly respects China as a superior State. People who are oppressed by force never submit entirely to the oppressor State. The relations of Great Britain with Egypt and India form a typical example. Although under British rule, Egypt and India have always entertained the thought of independence and separation from Great Britain. If, Great Britain becomes weaker some day, Egypt and India will overthrow British rule and regain their independence within five years. You should now realize which is the superior civilization, the Oriental or the Occidental?
If we want to realize Pan-Asianism in this new world, what should be its foundation if not our ancient civilization and culture? Benevolence and virtue must be the foundations of Pan-Asianism. With this as a sound foundation we must then learn science from Europe for our industrial development and the improvement of our armaments, not, however, with a view to oppressing or destroying other countries and peoples as the Europeans have done, but purely for our self-defense.
Japan is the first nation in Asia to completely master the military civilization of Europe. Japan's military and naval forces are her own creation, independent of European aid or assistance. Therefore, Japan is the only completely independent country in East Asia. There is another country in Asia who joined with Central Powers during the European War and was partitioned after her final defeat. After the war, however, she was not only able to regain her territory, but to expel all Europeans from that territory. Thus she attained her status of complete independence. This is Turkey. At present Asia has only two independent countries, Japan in the East and Turkey in the West. In other words, Japan and Turkey are the Eastern and Western barricades of Asia. Now Persia, Afghanistan, and Arabia are also following the European example in arming themselves, with the result that the Western peoples dare not look down on them. China at present also possesses considerable armaments, and when her unification is accomplished she too will become a great Power. We advocate Pan-Asianism in order to restore the status of Asia. Only by the unification of all the peoples in Asia on the foundation of benevolence and virtue can they become strong and powerful.
But to rely on benevolence alone to influence the Europeans in Asia to relinquish the privileges they have acquired in China would be an impossible dream. If we want to regain our rights we must resort to force. In the matter of armaments, Japan has already accomplished her aims, while Turkey has recently also completely armed herself. The other Asiatic races, such as the peoples of Persia, Afghanistan, and Arabia are all war-like peoples. China has a population of four hundred millions, and although she needs to modernize her armament and other equipment, and her people are a peace-loving people, yet when the destiny of their country is at stake the Chinese people will also fight with courage and determination. Should all Asiatic peoples thus unite together and present a united front against the Occidentals, they will win the final victory. Compare the populations of Europe and Asia: China has a population of four hundred millions, India three hundred and fifty millions, Japan several scores of millions, totaling, together with other peoples, no less than nine hundred millions. The population in Europe is somewhere around four hundred millions. For the four hundred millions to oppress the nine hundred millions is an intolerable injustice, and in the long run the latter will be defeated. What is more, among the four hundred millions some of them have already been influenced by us. Judging from the present tendency of civilization, even in Great Britain and America, there are people who advocate the principles of benevolence and justice. Such an advocacy also exists in some of the barbarian countries. Thus, we realize that the Western civilization of utilitarianism is submitting to the influence of Oriental civilization of benevolence and justice. That is to say the rule of Might gives way to the rule of Right, presaging a bright future for world civilization.
At present there is a new country in Europe which has been looked down upon and expelled from the Family of Nations by the White races of the whole of Europe. Europeans consider it as a poisonous snake or some brutal animal, and dare not approach it. Such a view is also shared by some countries in Asia. This country is Russia. At present, Russia is attempting to separate from the White peoples in Europe. Why? Because she insists on the rule of Right and denounces the rule of Might. She advocates the principle of benevolence and justice and refuses to accept the principles of utilitarianism and force. She maintains Right and opposes the oppression of the majority by the minority. From this point of view, recent Russian civilization is similar to that of our ancient civilization. Therefore, she joins with the Orient and separates from the West. The new principles of Russia were considered as intolerable by Europeans. They are afraid that these principles, when put into effect, would overthrow their rule of Might. Therefore they do not accept the Russian way, which is in accord with the principles of benevolence and justice, but denounce it as contrary to world principles.
What problem does Pan-Asianism attempt to solve? The problem is how to terminate the sufferings of the Asiatic peoples (p. 151) and how to resist the aggression of the powerful European countries. In a word, Pan-Asianism represents the cause of the oppressed Asiatic peoples. Oppressed peoples are found not only in Asia, but in Europe as well. Those countries that practice the rule of Might do not only oppress the weaker people outside their continent, but also those within their own continent. Pan-Asianism is based on the principle of the rule of Right, and justifies the avenging of the wrongs done to others. An American scholar considers all emancipation movements as revolts against civilization. Therefore now we advocate the avenging of the wrong done to those in revolt against the civilization of the rule of Might, with the aim of seeking a civilization of peace and equality and the emancipation of all races. Japan to-day has become acquainted with the Western civilization of the rule of Might, but retains the characteristics of the Oriental civilization of the rule of Right. Now the question remains whether Japan will be the hawk of the Western civilization of the rule of Might, or the tower of strength of the Orient. This is the choice which lies before the people of Japan.
When Asia reached this point, the tide started to turn, and the turn meant the regeneration of Asia. It started thirty years ago when Japan abolished all the Unequal Treaties that she had entered into with the foreign countries. The day when the Unequal Treaties were abolished by Japan was a day of regeneration for all Asiatic peoples. After the abolition of the Unequal Treaties, Japan became the first independent country in Asia. The remaining countries, such as China, India, Persia, Afghanistan, Arabia, and Turkey were not independent, that is to say, they were still dominated, and treated as colonies, by Europe. Thirty years ago, Japan was also a colony of the European countries. But the Japanese were far-sighted. They realized that the only way to power was to struggle with the Europeans and to abolish all Unequal Treaties, which they did, thus turning Japan into an independent country. Since Japan has become an independent country in East Asia, the various nations in this part of the world have been buoyed up with a new hope. They realized that since Japan has been able to achieve her independence through the abolition of the Unequal Treaties, they could do the same. So once again they have mustered courage to conduct their various independent activities with the hope of shaking off the yoke of European restriction and domination and regaining their own rightful position in Asia. This has been the prevailing thought in Asia during the past thirty years, which indeed gives ground for optimism.
Thirty years ago the idea was different. Men thought and believed that European civilization was a progressive one-in science, industry, manufacture, and armament-and that Asia had nothing to compare with it. Consequently, they assumed that Asia could never resist Europe, that European oppression could never be shaken off. Such was the idea prevailing thirty years ago. It was a pessimistic idea. Even after Japan abolished the Unequal Treaties and attained the status of an independent country, Asia, with the exception of a few countries situated near Japan, was little influenced. Ten years later, however, the Russo-Japanese war broke out and Russia was defeated by Japan. For the first time in the history of the last several hundred years, an Asiatic country has defeated a European Power. The effect of this victory immediately spread over the whole Asia, and gave a new hope to all Asiatic peoples. In the year of the outbreak of the Russo-Japanese war I was in Europe. One day news came that Admiral Togo had defeated the Russian navy, annihilating in the Japan Sea the fleet newly dispatched from Europe to Vladivostock. The population of the whole continent was taken aback. Britain was Japan's Ally, yet most of the British people were painfully surprised, for in their eyes Japan's victory over Russia was certainly not a blessing for the White peoples. "Blood," after all, "is thicker than water." Later on I sailed for Asia. When the steamer passed the Suez Canal a number of natives came to see me. All of them wore smiling faces, and asked me whether I was a Japanese. I replied that I was a Chinese" and inquired what was in their minds, and why they were so happy. They said they had just heard the news that Japan had completely destroyed the Russian fleet recently dispatched from Europe, and were wondering how true the story was. Some of them, living on both banks of the Canal had witnessed Russian hospital ships, with wounded on boards, passing through the Canal from time to time. That was surely a proof of the Russian defeat, they added.
In former days, the colored races in Asia, suffering from the oppression of the Western peoples, thought that emancipation was impossible. We regarded that Russian defeat by Japan as the defeat of the West by the East. We regarded the Japanese victory as our own victory. It was indeed a happy event. Did not therefore this news of Russia's defeat by Japan affect the peoples of the whole of Asia? Was not its effect tremendous? While it may not have seemed so important and consequently have had only a slight effect on the peoples living in East Asia, it had a great effect on the peoples living in West Asia and in the neighborhood of Europe who were in constant touch with Europeans and subject to their oppression daily. The suffering of these Asiatic peoples was naturally greater than that of those living in the further East, and they were therefore more quick to respond to the news of this great victory.
Since the day of Japan's victory over Russia, the peoples of Asia have cherished the hope of shaking off the yoke of European oppression, a hope which has given rise to a series or independence movements-in Egypt, Persia, Turkey, Afghanistan, and finally in India. Therefore, Japan's defeat of Russia gave rise to a great hope for the independence of Asia. From the inception of this hope to the present day only 20 years have elapsed. The Egyptian, Turkish, Persian, Afghan, and Arabian independence movements have already materialized, and even the independence movement in India has, with the passage of time, been gaining ground. Such facts are concrete proofs of the progress of the nationalist idea in Asia. Until this idea reaches its full maturity, no unification or independence movement of the Asiatic peoples as a whole is possible. In East Asia, China and Japan are the two greatest peoples. China and Japan are the driving force of this nationalist movement. What will be the consequences of this driving force still remains to be seen. The present tide of events seems to indicate that not only China and Japan but all the peoples in East Asia will unite together to restore the former status of Asia.
Such a tendency is clearly evident to the eyes of Europe and America. One American scholar [1] has written a book to discuss the rise of the colored peoples, where he maintains that Japan's defeat of Russia amounts to a victory of the Yellow race over the White race, and that such a tendency, if unchecked, will result in the unification of the entire Yellow race, which will be a calamity for the White peoples, and ways and means should therefore be devised to prevent it. Subsequently, he wrote another book in which he described all emancipation movements as Revolts against Civilization. In his view, emancipation movements in Europe should be regarded as revolts against civilization; even more so should such emancipation movements in Asia be regarded. Such views are common among the privileged classes of -people in both Europe and America. A minority, they oppress the majority in their own continent or country. Now they wish to extend their evil practice to Asia, with a view to suppressing the nine hundred million people of Asia, and treating them as their slaves. This American scholar considers the awakening of the Asiatic peoples as a revolt against civilization. Thus, the Westerners consider themselves as the only ones possessed and worthy of true culture and civilization; other peoples with any culture or independent ideas are considered as Barbarians in revolt against Civilization. When comparing Occidental with Oriental civilization they only consider their own civilization logical and humanitarian.
From the aspect of cultural development during the last several hundred years, the material civilization of Europe has reached its height while Oriental civilization has remained stagnant. Outwardly, Europe is superior to Asia. Fundamentally, European civilization during the last several hundred years is one of scientific materialism. Such a civilization, when applied to society, will mean the cult of force, with aeroplanes, bombs, and cannons as its outstanding features. Recently, this cult of force has been repeatedly employed by the Western peoples to oppress Asia, and as a consequence, there is no progress in Asia. To oppress others with the cult of force, in the language of the Ancients, is the rule of Might. Therefore, European civilization is nothing but the rule of Might. The rule of might has always been looked down upon by the Orient. There is another kind of civilization superior to the rule of Might. The fundamental characteristics of this civilization are benevolence, justice and morality: This civilization makes people respect, not fear, it. Such a civilization is, in the language of the Ancients, the rule of Right or the Kingly Way. One may say, therefore, that Oriental civilization is one of the rule of right. Since the development of European materialistic civilization and the cult of Might, the morality of the world has been on the decline. Even in Asia, morality in several countries has degenerated. Of late, a number of European and American scholars have begun to study Oriental civilization and they realize that, while materially the Orient is far behind the Occident, morally the Orient is superior to the Occident.
Which civilization, the rule of Might or the rule of Right, will prove to be beneficial to justice and humanity, to nations and countries? You can give your own answer to this question.
I may cite an example here to illustrate the point. For instance, between 500 and 2000 years ago, there was a period of a thousand years when China was supreme in the world. Her status in the world then was similar to that of Great Britain and America today. What was the situation of the weaker nations toward China then? They respected China as their superior and sent annual tribute to China by their own will, regarding it as an honor to be allowed to do so. They wanted, of their own free will, to be dependencies of China. Those countries which sent tribute to China were not only situated in Asia but in distant Europe as well. But in what way did China maintain her prestige among so many small and weaker nations. Did she send her army or navy, i.e. use Might, to compel them to send their contributions? Not at all. It was not her rule of Might that forced the weaker nations to send tribute to China. It was the influence of her rule of Right. Once they were influenced by the "Kingly Way" of China they continued to send tribute, not merely once or twice, but the practice was carried on from generation to generation. This influence is felt even at the present moment; there are still traces and evidences of it.
There are two small countries situated to the north of India, namely, Bhutan and Nepal. These countries are small in size, but are inhabited by a brave, strong, and warlike people. During the present British rule of India, Britain often went to Nepal in search of soldiers in order to rule the Indians. A great deal of money by way of subsidies had to be spent before Britain was allowed to dispatch a political observer to Nepal. Even a great Power such as Great Britain had to respect her; Nepal was, in fact, a great Power in Asia. But what is the attitude of Nepal toward Great Britain during the past hundred years? Over hundred years ago India was conquered by Great Britain, and during this period Nepal was able to live peacefully on the border of the British colony. . Although hundred years have passed, Nepal has never sent tribute to Great Britain. Great Britain, on the other hand, has to spend a large 'sum by way of subsidies to Nepal. But what is the attitude of Nepal toward China? The status of China has deteriorated to such an extent that it is now inferior even to that of a British colony. Though far away from China Proper and separated from her by Tibet. Nepal considered China as her suzerain State and up to 1911 Nepal sent annual tribute to China via Tibet. In that year, however, when the Nepal commissioners reached Szechuan and found communications interrupted, they returned to their country. The differential attitude of Nepal toward Great Britain and toward China is due to the difference between the Oriental and Occidental civilization. China has degenerated during the last several hundred years, yet Nepal still respects her as a superior State. Great Britain, on the other hand, is a powerful country, but Nepal has been influenced by Chinese civilization, which, in her eyes, is the true civilization, while that of Britain is nothing but the rule of Might.
Now, what is the problem that underlies Pan-Asianism, the Principle of Greater Asia, which we are discussing here to-day?
Briefly, it is a cultural problem, a problem of comparison and conflict between the Oriental and Occidental culture and civilization. Oriental civilization is the rule of Right; Occidental civilization is the rule of Might. The rule of Right respects benevolence and virtue, while the rule of Might only respects force and utilitarianism. The rule of Right always influences people with justice and reason, while the rule of Might always oppresses people with brute force and military measures. People who are influenced by justice and virtue will never forget their superior State, even if that country has become weak. So Nepal even now willingly respects China as a superior State. People who are oppressed by force never submit entirely to the oppressor State. The relations of Great Britain with Egypt and India form a typical example. Although under British rule, Egypt and India have always entertained the thought of independence and separation from Great Britain. If, Great Britain becomes weaker some day, Egypt and India will overthrow British rule and regain their independence within five years. You should now realize which is the superior civilization, the Oriental or the Occidental?
If we want to realize Pan-Asianism in this new world, what should be its foundation if not our ancient civilization and culture? Benevolence and virtue must be the foundations of Pan-Asianism. With this as a sound foundation we must then learn science from Europe for our industrial development and the improvement of our armaments, not, however, with a view to oppressing or destroying other countries and peoples as the Europeans have done, but purely for our self-defense.
Japan is the first nation in Asia to completely master the military civilization of Europe. Japan's military and naval forces are her own creation, independent of European aid or assistance. Therefore, Japan is the only completely independent country in East Asia. There is another country in Asia who joined with Central Powers during the European War and was partitioned after her final defeat. After the war, however, she was not only able to regain her territory, but to expel all Europeans from that territory. Thus she attained her status of complete independence. This is Turkey. At present Asia has only two independent countries, Japan in the East and Turkey in the West. In other words, Japan and Turkey are the Eastern and Western barricades of Asia. Now Persia, Afghanistan, and Arabia are also following the European example in arming themselves, with the result that the Western peoples dare not look down on them. China at present also possesses considerable armaments, and when her unification is accomplished she too will become a great Power. We advocate Pan-Asianism in order to restore the status of Asia. Only by the unification of all the peoples in Asia on the foundation of benevolence and virtue can they become strong and powerful.
But to rely on benevolence alone to influence the Europeans in Asia to relinquish the privileges they have acquired in China would be an impossible dream. If we want to regain our rights we must resort to force. In the matter of armaments, Japan has already accomplished her aims, while Turkey has recently also completely armed herself. The other Asiatic races, such as the peoples of Persia, Afghanistan, and Arabia are all war-like peoples. China has a population of four hundred millions, and although she needs to modernize her armament and other equipment, and her people are a peace-loving people, yet when the destiny of their country is at stake the Chinese people will also fight with courage and determination. Should all Asiatic peoples thus unite together and present a united front against the Occidentals, they will win the final victory. Compare the populations of Europe and Asia: China has a population of four hundred millions, India three hundred and fifty millions, Japan several scores of millions, totaling, together with other peoples, no less than nine hundred millions. The population in Europe is somewhere around four hundred millions. For the four hundred millions to oppress the nine hundred millions is an intolerable injustice, and in the long run the latter will be defeated. What is more, among the four hundred millions some of them have already been influenced by us. Judging from the present tendency of civilization, even in Great Britain and America, there are people who advocate the principles of benevolence and justice. Such an advocacy also exists in some of the barbarian countries. Thus, we realize that the Western civilization of utilitarianism is submitting to the influence of Oriental civilization of benevolence and justice. That is to say the rule of Might gives way to the rule of Right, presaging a bright future for world civilization.
At present there is a new country in Europe which has been looked down upon and expelled from the Family of Nations by the White races of the whole of Europe. Europeans consider it as a poisonous snake or some brutal animal, and dare not approach it. Such a view is also shared by some countries in Asia. This country is Russia. At present, Russia is attempting to separate from the White peoples in Europe. Why? Because she insists on the rule of Right and denounces the rule of Might. She advocates the principle of benevolence and justice and refuses to accept the principles of utilitarianism and force. She maintains Right and opposes the oppression of the majority by the minority. From this point of view, recent Russian civilization is similar to that of our ancient civilization. Therefore, she joins with the Orient and separates from the West. The new principles of Russia were considered as intolerable by Europeans. They are afraid that these principles, when put into effect, would overthrow their rule of Might. Therefore they do not accept the Russian way, which is in accord with the principles of benevolence and justice, but denounce it as contrary to world principles.
What problem does Pan-Asianism attempt to solve? The problem is how to terminate the sufferings of the Asiatic peoples (p. 151) and how to resist the aggression of the powerful European countries. In a word, Pan-Asianism represents the cause of the oppressed Asiatic peoples. Oppressed peoples are found not only in Asia, but in Europe as well. Those countries that practice the rule of Might do not only oppress the weaker people outside their continent, but also those within their own continent. Pan-Asianism is based on the principle of the rule of Right, and justifies the avenging of the wrongs done to others. An American scholar considers all emancipation movements as revolts against civilization. Therefore now we advocate the avenging of the wrong done to those in revolt against the civilization of the rule of Might, with the aim of seeking a civilization of peace and equality and the emancipation of all races. Japan to-day has become acquainted with the Western civilization of the rule of Might, but retains the characteristics of the Oriental civilization of the rule of Right. Now the question remains whether Japan will be the hawk of the Western civilization of the rule of Might, or the tower of strength of the Orient. This is the choice which lies before the people of Japan.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Sun_Yat_Sen%...on_Pan-Asianism
at that time most Japnese was the believer of Sun Yat-sen
why was there Japanese troops in China?
it was because of Boxer Rebellion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion
at that time, Beijin citizens welcomed Japanese soldiers to PKO.
however, Japan Japan was involved in their power struggles,KMT and CCP.
Japan protected settlement( Concession (territory)and the right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concession_(territory)
For example, there are many US bases in Japan.
If there is a something plot like that, it is easy to involved the conflict..
Mao said in 1964 " I thank for the Japanese Imperial Army"
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I never said they would, i was just making the comparison wih Japan beiing more westernized.
that China may want to resist western influence but in reality it is embracing and depending on it more and more everyday.
you either get with the times or get out of the way, and China is not stupid, they know what they have to do to become a modern country even if they are hesitant.
im pretty much done with this discussion, it never leads anywhere and I personally dont care if you dislike Japan or not.
its obvious that this site is full of racism and prejudice towards Japan/ese.
that China may want to resist western influence but in reality it is embracing and depending on it more and more everyday.
you either get with the times or get out of the way, and China is not stupid, they know what they have to do to become a modern country even if they are hesitant.
im pretty much done with this discussion, it never leads anywhere and I personally dont care if you dislike Japan or not.
its obvious that this site is full of racism and prejudice towards Japan/ese.
Your arguement is flawed.
I never said China dont want western influences. China wants: sciences, industrial revolutions, western culture mix with Chinese twist, western fasion, even western ecnomical system.
But in no way would China be sink so low as to bow down to the western world like dogs. Sad that I cant say the same for the Japanese.
Who are the west, or anyone else to dare tell China what to do? Who are you? You are nothing. US is nothing. All of the world is NOTHING to tell China what to do. ONLY CHinese have the birth right to tell China what to do. Therefore: whenever retards from the west think they should lecture China, all those chinese nationalist will come AND BASH YOU.
It is obvious that you TAKA, is nothing more then a japanese nationalist who is idnorant. You refuse to see this world from a 3rd party perspective. You refuse to think in the shoes of other nation. And for that, you miscalculate, and misjudge this whole world. And if more and more people are like you, then WW3 is unavoidable.
^ What's with the low-shadow-kick on Taka?
I hate right wing neo-imperial japanese. Part of me what to forgive and forget ww2 and consider the greater stability and benefit of China. By from time to time u wil have japanese dumbasses trying to stri up ww2 justifications.
What do u do then??? No choice but to bash them back. And all this is dangerous because it proves that such hatred can eventually lead to future confrontaion because there are people who wont summit to their own history.
What do u do then??? No choice but to bash them back. And all this is dangerous because it proves that such hatred can eventually lead to future confrontaion because there are people who wont summit to their own history.
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Nov 16 2008, 08:19 PM) [snapback]4011617[/snapback]
Your arguement is flawed.
I never said China dont want western influences. China wants: sciences, industrial revolutions, western culture mix with Chinese twist, western fasion, even western ecnomical system.
But in no way would China be sink so low as to bow down to the western world like dogs. Sad that I cant say the same for the Japanese.
Who are the west, or anyone else to dare tell China what to do? Who are you? You are nothing. US is nothing. All of the world is NOTHING to tell China what to do. ONLY CHinese have the birth right to tell China what to do. Therefore: whenever retards from the west think they should lecture China, all those chinese nationalist will come AND BASH YOU.
It is obvious that you TAKA, is nothing more then a japanese nationalist who is idnorant. You refuse to see this world from a 3rd party perspective. You refuse to think in the shoes of other nation. And for that, you miscalculate, and misjudge this whole world. And if more and more people are like you, then WW3 is unavoidable.
I never said China dont want western influences. China wants: sciences, industrial revolutions, western culture mix with Chinese twist, western fasion, even western ecnomical system.
But in no way would China be sink so low as to bow down to the western world like dogs. Sad that I cant say the same for the Japanese.
Who are the west, or anyone else to dare tell China what to do? Who are you? You are nothing. US is nothing. All of the world is NOTHING to tell China what to do. ONLY CHinese have the birth right to tell China what to do. Therefore: whenever retards from the west think they should lecture China, all those chinese nationalist will come AND BASH YOU.
It is obvious that you TAKA, is nothing more then a japanese nationalist who is idnorant. You refuse to see this world from a 3rd party perspective. You refuse to think in the shoes of other nation. And for that, you miscalculate, and misjudge this whole world. And if more and more people are like you, then WW3 is unavoidable.
The only ignorant Nationalist is yourself and the more of you around, the more likely WW3 is to come.
But in no way would China be sink so low as to bow down to the western world like dogs
diplomacy of Meiji
http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36449
diplomacy of Meiji
http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36449
lol, the militant nationalist Japan. Good times, good times.
QUOTE(ryuji_yamamoto @ Nov 15 2008, 09:24 PM) [snapback]4010353[/snapback]
Even now, there are many people who think that our country’s aggression caused unbearable
suffering to the countries of Asia during the Greater East Asia War. But we need to realize that
many Asian countries take a positive view of the Greater East Asia War. In Thailand, Burma,
India, Singapore, and Indonesia, the Japan that fought the Greater East Asia War is held in high
esteem. We also have to realize that while many of the people who had direct contact with the
Japanese army viewed them positively, it is often those who never directly saw the Japanese
military who are spreading rumors about the army’s acts of brutality. Many foreigners have
testified to the strict military discipline of the Japanese troops as compared to those of other
countries. It is certainly a false accusation to say that our country was an aggressor nation.
Japan is a wonderful country that has a long history and exceptional traditions. We, as
Japanese people, must take pride in our country’s history. Unless they are influenced by some
particular ideology, people will naturally love the hometown and the country where they were
born. But in Japan’s case, if you look assiduously at the historical facts, you will understand that
what this country has done is wonderful. There is absolutely no need for lies and fabrications. If
you look at individual events, there were probably some that would be called misdeeds. That is
the same as saying that there is violence and murder occurring today even in advanced nations.
We must take back the glorious history of Japan. A nation that denies its own history is
destined to pursue a path of decline.
suffering to the countries of Asia during the Greater East Asia War. But we need to realize that
many Asian countries take a positive view of the Greater East Asia War. In Thailand, Burma,
India, Singapore, and Indonesia, the Japan that fought the Greater East Asia War is held in high
esteem. We also have to realize that while many of the people who had direct contact with the
Japanese army viewed them positively, it is often those who never directly saw the Japanese
military who are spreading rumors about the army’s acts of brutality. Many foreigners have
testified to the strict military discipline of the Japanese troops as compared to those of other
countries. It is certainly a false accusation to say that our country was an aggressor nation.
Japan is a wonderful country that has a long history and exceptional traditions. We, as
Japanese people, must take pride in our country’s history. Unless they are influenced by some
particular ideology, people will naturally love the hometown and the country where they were
born. But in Japan’s case, if you look assiduously at the historical facts, you will understand that
what this country has done is wonderful. There is absolutely no need for lies and fabrications. If
you look at individual events, there were probably some that would be called misdeeds. That is
the same as saying that there is violence and murder occurring today even in advanced nations.
We must take back the glorious history of Japan. A nation that denies its own history is
destined to pursue a path of decline.
What a happy, happy ignorant bunny feeding on happy, happy ignorant lies and spreading happy, happy, ignorant bullsh!t to the rest of the angry, angry, unforgiving rest of the world. People REMEMBER, bunnyface. And they will GET YOU.
*maniacal laughter*
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Nov 16 2008, 08:52 PM) [snapback]4011698[/snapback]
I hate right wing neo-imperial japanese. Part of me what to forgive and forget ww2 and consider the greater stability and benefit of China. By from time to time u wil have japanese dumbasses trying to stri up ww2 justifications.
What do u do then??? No choice but to bash them back. And all this is dangerous because it proves that such hatred can eventually lead to future confrontaion because there are people who wont summit to their own history.
What do u do then??? No choice but to bash them back. And all this is dangerous because it proves that such hatred can eventually lead to future confrontaion because there are people who wont summit to their own history.
YOU started it and directed it towards me, so i kept replying, im not drudging up ww2 anything. im the one that said we need to work past it.
I couldnt care less, I have no tension with China, I own a factory in Guangzhou with a Chinese partner.
am i proud of my nationality? yes, do i have to be proud of everything they've done? no imperialist? PLEASE....
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YOU started it and directed it towards me, so i kept replying, im not drudging up ww2 anything. im the one that said we need to work past it.
I couldnt care less, I have no tension with China, I own a factory in Guangzhou with a Chinese partner.
am i proud of my nationality? yes, do i have to be proud of everything they've done? no imperialist? PLEASE....
I couldnt care less, I have no tension with China, I own a factory in Guangzhou with a Chinese partner.
am i proud of my nationality? yes, do i have to be proud of everything they've done? no imperialist? PLEASE....
I am targeting all japanese right wing neo-con. Mainly the thread starter.
I also target you becuase ur comment on China and asia is distroted and bias. I am sure noone want to be influence or dictacted by anybody. Modern China isnt influence or dictated by the west. China willingly learn from the west the same way the west and japan learn from us 1000 years ago. There is nothing wrong with studying other people's sucess. But make no mistake, China will not be lecture by others. The west can talk about human right and democracy all they want, it is the chinese people who decided what needs to be done. Japan can talk about chinese military all they want, if chinese people want a strong military, we will spend money to get a strong military. Like-wise when japan right wing neo con start spreading message of how WW2 invasion are justifed, then Chinese netzien will lash back and say how japans are idnorant war moger with no remorse. Of coure at present time, most japanese civilian dont even give a damn about ww2 any more. But the same can not be said for the rest of asia.
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^ Not mature like you eh FidoTastesGood?
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Maybe that's why posters like the ones on this thread have such jealous-fueled rage at any white person who seems to have good things to say about Japan (or Korea) but thinks China is a 3rd world dump of unhygienic, unsanitary, loud-mouthed boorish braggarts. It's funny...white people who like Japan seem to piss off the Chinese/Korean trolls even more than does Japan itself. Such an inferiority complex!
It's also funny how 30 year old Chinese or Koreans seem to have the same maturity level as that of 8 year old American children. LOL.
It's also funny how 30 year old Chinese or Koreans seem to have the same maturity level as that of 8 year old American children. LOL.
your own post just prove ur own immturity.
Instead of gunning why China is still behind, u are revert to name calling.
At least I have the guts to point out japans foriegn policy cloesly control by the US and extreme superior complex toward whole of aisa.
You on the other hand dismiss all critisum of Japan as troll. You dont even have the gut to face real problems, and would rather dismiss them just to satisfly your believe the japan is perfect.
Do you really expect that there is nothing wrong with US troops 24/7 deploy on japanese soil pay for by japanese governement??? Do you really think that japan can justified WW2 aggresion, when noone in germany or itatly justified Nazi or fansium. Do you really think it is in japanese interest to lend 100b to the IMF even when other creditor nations refuse to contribute? You fools cant even see your own gov being munipulated.
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doesnt matter, I am calling u a retard who cant reason with your prievious post,
I can give a damn if u are yellow or white.
I can give a damn if u are yellow or white.
QUOTE(TAKA @ Nov 16 2008, 01:56 PM) [snapback]4011152[/snapback]
I never said they would, i was just making the comparison wih Japan beiing more westernized.
that China may want to resist western influence but in reality it is embracing and depending on it more and more everyday.
you either get with the times or get out of the way, and China is not stupid, they know what they have to do to become a modern country even if they are hesitant.
im pretty much done with this discussion, it never leads anywhere and I personally dont care if you dislike Japan or not.
its obvious that this site is full of racism and prejudice towards Japan/ese.
that China may want to resist western influence but in reality it is embracing and depending on it more and more everyday.
you either get with the times or get out of the way, and China is not stupid, they know what they have to do to become a modern country even if they are hesitant.
im pretty much done with this discussion, it never leads anywhere and I personally dont care if you dislike Japan or not.
its obvious that this site is full of racism and prejudice towards Japan/ese.
For Vietnam, Japan is friend of Vietnam since 1640. In WW2, Vietnam have got freedom, because Japanese kick French's as* out of Vietnam. Japan has caused some damages in Vietnam, but those were small and they just fix for that after ww2. Now they gave us a lot of money to rebuild our country. When Japan controlled Vietnam, they treats Vietnamese as well as Japanese . Anyway, I think only three strong countries in the future Asia are Japan, Vietnam and Korea, so we are better to coperate and set up more business and colonies in South East Asia and mainland China as well as Africa and Middle East
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QUOTE(wonda51 @ Nov 16 2008, 09:01 PM) [snapback]4011715[/snapback]
But in no way would China be sink so low as to bow down to the western world like dogs
diplomacy of Meiji
http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36449
diplomacy of Meiji
http://www.jref.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36449
Great page Wonda, you got any more about meiji years and after?
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Even now, there are many people who think that our country’s aggression caused unbearable
suffering to the countries of Asia during the Greater East Asia War. But we need to realize that
many Asian countries take a positive view of the Greater East Asia War. In Thailand, Burma,
India, Singapore, and Indonesia
suffering to the countries of Asia during the Greater East Asia War. But we need to realize that
many Asian countries take a positive view of the Greater East Asia War. In Thailand, Burma,
India, Singapore, and Indonesia
to be honest we (indonesian) think Japanese were agressor in the past.
but we dont deny japanese contribution of our Independence and revolution progress.
also some japanese stayed to fight back allies agression after war.
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Maybe that's why posters like the ones on this thread have such jealous-fueled rage at any white person who seems to have good things to say about Japan (or Korea) but thinks China is a 3rd world dump of unhygienic, unsanitary, loud-mouthed boorish braggarts. It's funny...white people who like Japan seem to piss off the Chinese/Korean trolls even more than does Japan itself. Such an inferiority complex!
It's also funny how 30 year old Chinese or Koreans seem to have the same maturity level as that of 8 year old American children. LOL.
It's also funny how 30 year old Chinese or Koreans seem to have the same maturity level as that of 8 year old American children. LOL.
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QUOTE(iriver @ Nov 18 2008, 01:17 PM) [snapback]4013608[/snapback]
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ignore him.
he is just a white multi-account loser esl teacher.
QUOTE(vachina @ Nov 15 2008, 07:23 PM) [snapback]4010429[/snapback]
Park Jung-Hee, one of the most admired presidents among the Koreans, was also served as a second lieutenant in the Japanese army, and fought against the "Chinese guerillas" during World War II.
He was also shot in the head.
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