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dalawapo
#10 is Wrong
FIRST OF ALL, Filipino is merely a Nationality. it is not a race, it is not an ethnicity.

SECONDLY, the philippines is prodominately inhabited by ETHNIC MALAYS. but there is also a large percentage of ETHNIC CHINESE. and like an even smaller percentage of other ETHNICS... All these people can be considered “Filipino” if that is their chosen CITIZENSHIP.

THIRDLY, WE ARE NOT ALL MESTIZOS!!!

Again, Filipinos are prodominately Ethnic MALAY like 95% are Ethnic malay. only like 2% actually are mestizos. Today a Mestizo is a person can be defined as a person who is ethnic malay mixed with somethine else, like Malay mixed with Chinese; or Malay mixed with Spanish; or Malay mixed with American...

The spaniards introduced this word MESTIZO to our islands in order to create a racial caste system, that means he wanted to descriminate the inhabitants of his island territory. he called the native malays “Indios” and labeled us the bottom of the racial caste, in the middle he created the “MESTIZO” class, which at that time was “Indio” mixed with SPanish... they were historically treated better in colonial days which made many “indios” look up to mestizos and wish they can be one. and so many claimed they are mestizo in order to try to ascend in rank. Many Filipinos still try to claim they are half spanish to this day or mixed with spanish to this day based on ignorance that their last name is spanish. well if u actually study filipino history u will learn that we native Malays or “Indios” of the philippines had no traditional custom of surnames or last names, and when the spaniards came, they needed all the conquered Malays to have a last name so they can record who paid taxes and who didnt.... so the spaniard issued spanish last names to the conquered indios. and that is why many have spanish surnames.

Anyways, at the top is the racial caste system was of course the, Spaniard colonizer. He was the Original Filipino. You see we, Indios, were not even “privieliged” enough to be called Filipinos. Filipino was reserve only for people of SPaniard Descent born on the Philippine islands. The name Philippines is named in honor of Spain at the time, King Philip II. ANyways, our “Indio” and “Mestizo” forefathers had to fight to even “earn” that name “Filipino” to call ourselves that.

FOURTH, ETHNIC MALAYS are members of the Mongoliod Race. and Mongoliods are people of the Asian continent. therefore we are Asian. Asian is a geographical term only. Asia is a big azz continent. there are many people on the Asian continent. Mongoliods, Indo-Aryans (indians) Semetics etc. and there are many religions practiced on the Asian continent. LIke Hinduism, BUddhism, Islam, CHristianity. there is no such thing as being "Asian Enough"

FIFTH POINT, THE NATION OF THE PHILIPPINES IS A MULTI-CULTURAL, RELIGIOUS NATION.

this is the reason:

in the beginning like 40,000 years ago. there were negritos, they are small statured black skin people, who settled the region so long ago, that the land was different. They settled when the philippines was relatively one large landmass, as sealevels were much lower and you can transerve from pre-existing land bridges that used to conect to the asian continent but today are underwater as sea levels rose after the last ice age. ANyway, the negrito got stranded on various islands.

next, the ethnic malay invaded the islands around like 5,000 years ago. they entered the region as islands, which is how we know them to this day. so that means Malays were seafarers.... they came from the north. that means they sailed from Southern CHina, into taiwan, and into the philippines. some malay settled and some malay sailed through the philippines and settled other islands, some sailed as far west as madagascar and as far east as easter island.

Anyway the ethnic malay’s native language and culture is known as Austronesian. and that is why from Madagascar to Easter island, all islanders speak a language classified under the Austronesian language family.

eventually foreigners come. The first foreigners to come to the philippines were probably chinese.

the next foreigners to come to the philippines was hindu practiners and came as late as 900AD as recorded by the Laguna copper plate, the earliest manuscript of the philippines written in Kavi script. they introduced a indian writing script which we all adopted and we call Kavi and Baybayin. they also introduced a martial art and hindu religion based on the hindu goddess Kali.

anyways, around the 1300’s islam was introduced to the philippines, but was mainly concentrated in the sulu archipelago, our sourthern most islands, and a small portion of mindanao island.

and in the 1500’s the spanish came and introduced catholism and other things.

then in the 1900’s americans came and introduced protestant sect of christanity and other things like, the English language, for widespread use, democracy and education etc. Spaniards did not educate the indios of the philippines to spanish language, because he wanted to CONQUER us by using DIVIDE AND CONQUER Tactics. he allowed us to retain our indigenous Austronesian languages, although related, not mutually understandable. the spaniard also put the indio under villlage arrest, and forbid the indio from practicing their martial arts and self defense. and instructed the indio to wear a speical dress code, with see through fabric so not to be able to conseal weapons....

anyways, there were some unconquerable tribes of the philippines, each representing the different religions and cultures of the philippines.

there are the indigeous truly native practioners the Igorots of Luzon and the Lumads of Mindanao

there are the Muslim practioners known as the Moro of Sulu archipelago and part of Mindanao island.

together with these indigneous malay and muslim malay practioners, along with the conquered christanized malay, we form today the Philippine Nation.

We just need to find a way to co-exist with each other. And i think the best way to express our Multi-cultural/religious nation is through dance, like the Philippine’s National Bayanihan Dance company, which does the dances of all the cultures of the philippines from Indigenous to Muslim to Christian.

The Word Bayanihan itself is a very appropriate word, which means loosely means Community, Brotherhood, Family, Unity. It is a native concept, and it is good because we were all once native people before some were converted to islam, before some were converted to christanity. we were all indigenous. and indigenous aspect of our culture is very important because it is our bed rock and foundation.

anyways, if u would like to learn more, please visit my website where i wrote this info for anyone to better understand the true heritage of the philippines!

http://maharlika.proboards26.com/index.cgi
Ek-ek
What is the point of this article?
Fil-Am
Another one of his austronesian pride threads again.
Ek-ek
2% mestizo ? I do not believe this kind of theory.

According to most historians , Mestizo people may constitute to almost 10% of the population.
Shinigami
someone needs to get a life outside of AF, this guy puts too much time into this
HutFlip
Hey dalawapo man, have you ever been in the Pi?
dalawapo
yes, i spend my early childhood there i been to guam too! are u trying to passively discredit or say im less filipino, if i wasnt step fut in filipno soil? you fliping idiot?

can u disproove the research i have presented to you? i think u want to hear that filipinos are spanish and chinese. and wear sombraos... u wannabe spanish huh?
HutFlip
That answers everything, you haven't been there recently, hence some of your perception about the philippines is a little bit out dated! biggrin.gif

Oh please, cut your sell out crap. Too bad i will be more filipino that you will ever be you arrogant twit!
dalawapo
please, this topic is not even about contemporary philippine history, it is about the roots of philippine history! icon_rolleyes.gif

anyway, i also have cousin and relatives in the philippines & also some who come to live with me you flip flop.
HutFlip
Whatever, i have no time for arrogant fools.
dalawapo
bye flip. if ever you learn about your culture and heritage feel free to contribute to the topic! until then, you can go back to put your sombrearo over your head now and take your spanish siesta!
HutFlip
Yeah you know a lot, i mean everything, and please cut the spanish wannabe crap. I just try to appreciate every little thing that influenced my modern day culture and heritage. Because to you, a light skinned filipino is not a filipino! A chinese/spanish/whatever looking filipino is just as much a filipino than any other if he/she wishes to be.
Fil-Am
QUOTE (HutFlip @ Sep 23 2004, 08:35 PM)
Yeah you know a lot, i mean everything, and please cut the spanish wannabe crap. I just try to appreciate every little thing that influenced my modern day culture and heritage. Because to you, a light skinned filipino is not a filipino! A chinese/spanish/whatever looking filipino is just as much a filipino than any other if he/she wishes to be.

An light skinned or tanned skinned filipino doesn't fit into his description of an indigenous filipino. So he's basically saying if your not indigenous or muslim then your not filipino. sure.gif
dalawapo
how can u love the spaniard for introducing discriminatory tool in the philippines.

mestizo vs indio
christian vs muslim

how can u love the spaniard for enslaving the philippines for 300 plus years?

how can u love the spaniard for raping, not only the women and little boys, but also the land and look at the land owner ship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ojmg
HutFlip
What else could you do? Invent a time travel machine and save the "philippines"?
Disdain/Hate the spaniards forever? Be an extremist and fly a passenger plane towards their skyscrapers? Who wants to remember our sufferings? The mass murders/rapes? Only sick bigots like you would probably do! Or we get over it, move on and only look at the bright side of it all.
dalawapo
first off all, u dont have to practice and feel pride in everything the spaniards did!!!!!!

the legacey the spaniards left was a family split and fighting each other!

because we still chooose to cherish this word mestizo and bs!

if spaniards 300 years ago, made it a custom to wear pink, then that will be the national outfit and national color today, wouldnt it?????? shrug.gif
HutFlip
sigh I said just look at the bright side! You are living in the past!
dalawapo
hey hutflip.... im going to look u in the eye and ask you. do u honestly believe everything the spanish introduced to the philippines is great and worthy of being venerated? confused.gif
HutFlip
WTF.gif You didn't get the "just look at the bright side" didn't you? I do not believe everything the spanish introduced to us is worthy of respect. Only an !diot would say so.

What i respect about them is how they've discplined the indegenous people, taught them many, gave us education/religion, which were important to the foundation of the development of our country. The Philippines wouldn't be what it is today without the influence of the outside world.

We have so much potential, the only things that hinders us to great achievements are terrorism/graph and corruption! Whatever we accomplish, it will go back to the people who help us be what we are today e.i. spanish,american,chinese,malay,etc...
dalawapo
spaniards didnt give us education,t hey keep us under village arrest and made us weak by prohibiting our pre-colonial martial arts and limiting enteraction and hire various brother to attack the unwilling converts

the reason we have disintergration is because the spaniards, imposed racial caste systems by introducing words like mestizo. and made the christianized think of their muslim brother as enemies, the spaniards give land to a select elite disproportionate.

that is why we are in the state we are today
HutFlip
I don't know where you get your informations, but they did gave us education! And i don't see muslims as my enemy, so case close.
ham_let
QUOTE (dalawapo @ Sep 23 2004, 08:16 PM)
are u trying to passively discredit or say im less filipino, if i wasnt step fut in filipno soil? you fliping idiot?

HAHAHA... was that on purpose?

neways, icon_rolleyes.gif @ this article... *yawn* we've seen this before... and no one's views are going to change... believe me...
Shinigami
History is something that happened in the past, you can't do sh!t to change it, just got to accept it, so stop b!tching about wut the spaniards did to the philippines. Nation of power has always f*ck'd over weaker countries throughout history its always been like that and it will prolly be like that forever.

Just a pointer for dalawapo, if you want to earn other people's repect, stop trying to impose your views into others and making assumptions about them
dalawapo
Shinigami has a b!tched mentality who accepts whatever happened in the past and worships it in the present.... because it is today's "rulez" icon_rolleyes.gif
Shinigami
seriously stop puttin words in other people's mouth...its gettin annoying
or do things gots to be spelled out for you? Do you alway bash people who disagree with your views? you're like a black person who b!tches at white people about slavery. always b!tching and whining, the spaniards did this, the christians this that, blah blah blah is a traitor, blah blah blah unity, blah blah blah... the b!tching never stops w/ you
dalawapo
blacks have a right to talk about slavery... it is theyir hisroty

if the spaniards had called our islands $hit-lands.... you would be called $hitnese and u would love it, and fight to retain it as your name!

yes u would..... the same with the word filipino.

dont act like the spaniards did not bring alot of problems to the philippine islands and try to fake like everything is ok, there needs to be some revisions.

mestizo is outdated, it served its purpose in the past to segregate, today it does nothing but segregate...
Shinigami
there you go again w/ the sh!t-land crap, look here sh!t head, the spaniards didn't call the the country sh!t-land, and if they did i'm sure it would have been changed a long time ago. i and i never said the spaniards didn't f*ck the philippines over, and i could care less about the f*cking fools who claim to be mestizo or wut not, in fact i don't even care about anyones ethnicity, i'm not goin to be nice or mean to anyone just b/c of their ethnicit, i hate everyone equally, be it filipino, indian, chinese, korean, black, japanese, spaniards or wutever. and the philippines is not in the state its in right now b/c of wut happened hundreds of years ago, its like that b/c of the corruption and all the other b.s. that's goin on in the country. and don't say the philippines is the only place in S.E. asia that its in the sh!t hole, indonesia, vietnam, well f*ck it most of s.e. asia is in a $hit hole in terms of economy

blah...i'm just wasting my time you're prolly goin to read this and reply w/ one of you're generic sh!t that you tell everyone that gets into an arguement w/ you

oh and since you like referring to the philippines as $hit-land, i'll be referring to your mutt @ss as $hitenese
dalawapo
everytime someone addresses the problems in the philippines, filipnos always say, well there are problems in other parts of the world as well....

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that is not going to ever solve the problem. you have to address it and talk about ways to assess the problems...

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are you guys COWARDS? you want to pretend that everything is perfect?! you guys are stagnate!!!!! what a coward you guys are to always want to sweep things under the rug. if there was dog $hit on the floor, you would just use air fresher but eventually the can will be empty, why not just take the $hit from the floor and throw it away? are you scared to touch $hit icon_rolleyes.gif
HutFlip
WTF.gif I thought you two were special friends? Or are you two having a lovers quarrel? embarassedlaugh.gif
Shinigami
hey just b/c i agreed w/ the $hitenese in one of the tread doesn't mean i like the fool
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