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TooLate2Apologize
These pics are from the Mongolian chat, but over there, there are too few users and its too narrow of a category. The other cultures section is broader and will get more exposure. Truthfully I never even heard of such a people called Kazakhs till I got the net. They are very interesting looking. They dont exist in the U.S. or Canada...not in sizeable numbers anyway. They are obviously a mixed race people (33% caucasoid) but they are predominantly Mongoloid. Its weird, the Kazakhs in Western Mongolia and China look more mixed than their counterparts in Kazakhstan. The Kazakhs in Kazakhstan look more Mongoloid.












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lluk
In China they have mixed with Uygurs.
JakeCutter
I have a question regarding the Kazakhs: Do the Kazakhs living in Kazakhstan speak the same dialect as the ones living in Mongolia and China?
Zaw-Gyi
WTF Kazakhs aren't asian they look like this dude

tujue
^Ignorance at it's best

That guy is an Iranian Jew

Yes the Kazakhs speak the same dialect with minor differences but nothing more than the difference between british and American English even less
islander
The majority of Mongolians and Kazakh were originally traveling nomads. Since they are herding animals they must constantly move around to find green pasture for there animals. So that explains why Kazakh people in Western Mongolia.

Do know when Mongolia and Kazakstan became more democratic that thousands of Kazakh people from Western Mongolia left for Kazakhstan thinking things were economically better there. Turns out they were wrong so many returned back to Mongolia.

Kazakhstan is also close to Mongolia.

See map: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2403/252071..._1454f4fac9.jpg

Better Map. You can see how close Kazakhstan is to Mongolia. Less than 30 miles separate them.
http://www.reisenett.no/map_collection/com.../Kazakhstan.jpg

In 2002 this was the breakup for Kazakhstan:
QUOTE
Kazakh 55.8%, Russian 28.3%, Ukrainian 3.3%, Uzbek 2.6%, German 1.8%, Uyghur 1.5%, other 5.0%


There population was 15.6 million in 2008. They lost 800000 people. Mostly Russian and Ukrainians that left after Soviet Union started breaking up in 1989.

This breakup for Mongolia in 2000:
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Mongol (predominantly Khalkha) 94.9%, Turkic (of which Kazak is the largest group) 5%, other (including Chinese and Russian) 0.1%


This population was 2,996,081 in 2008.
Erdene5th
Speaking to Kazakhs....99.9% says they'll eventually go back home....that is back to Kazakhstan....In Bayan-Olgii, most Govt officials were graduates of Kazakh Universities. Soon we'll have a direct flight between Almaty and UB.....so more will go back I suppose....
Nath
Great pics, thanks!

But let's have picture threads on other Central Asians as well: Kyrgyz, Turkmen, Uzbeks, Uyghurs, Tajiks, Nuristanis, Hazaras etc. icon_smile.gif
Atari400
QUOTE(tujue @ Dec 7 2008, 12:02 PM) [snapback]4037688[/snapback]
^Ignorance at it's best

That guy is an Iranian Jew


Jewish yes, Iranian no.

Oh, and the Kazakhs look like a cross somewhere between a Mongolian and an Iranian, which is not surprising. genius.gif

QUOTE(Nath @ Dec 8 2008, 12:16 AM) [snapback]4038326[/snapback]
Great pics, thanks!

But let's have picture threads on other Central Asians as well: Kyrgyz, Turkmen, Uzbeks, Uyghurs, Tajiks, Nuristanis, Hazaras etc. icon_smile.gif


Sounds like a good idea too me! beerchug.gif
tujue
Sacha Baron Cohen's cousin Simon Baron-Cohen is a leading researcher in the study of autism spectrum disorders (including Asperger syndrome).
omg embarassedlaugh.gif
DoubleChocolateChipCupcake
i dont want to come off as ignorant but what is it with the eagles?
Atari400
QUOTE(DoubleChocolateChipCupcake @ Dec 9 2008, 02:16 AM) [snapback]4039963[/snapback]
i dont want to come off as ignorant but what is it with the eagles?


There big on falconry...Helps 'em hunt.
Nath
QUOTE(Atari400 @ Dec 9 2008, 02:08 PM) [snapback]4039735[/snapback]
Oh, and the Kazakhs look like a cross somewhere between a Mongolian and an Iranian, which is not surprising. genius.gif


I think one can say with certainty that if an Iranian person falls in love with a Japanese person, their children will end up looking like Central Asian Turks. icon_wink.gif
punjabtrini
QUOTE(Erdene5th @ Dec 7 2008, 05:19 PM) [snapback]4037840[/snapback]
Speaking to Kazakhs....99.9% says they'll eventually go back home....that is back to Kazakhstan....In Bayan-Olgii, most Govt officials were graduates of Kazakh Universities. Soon we'll have a direct flight between Almaty and UB.....so more will go back I suppose....


This is untrue. Kazakstan is a Soviet creation. Many of the Central Asians tribes had certain areas that they inhabited and as a result, they carved out their space without what we call borders. This was unacceptable based on a Western European model and as a result the Central Asia nation states came into being with their geographic entities as we say today.
baybal
Yeah, borders in CA is very ill situated. 100% truth.
TooLate2Apologize
Kazakhs from Western China. Interesting looking people, thats all. There are over 1 million Kazakhs in Western China.











newties21
I watched a National Geographic program on the Kazakhs living in Mongolia. Those eagles are used for swooping down on rabbits and other small animals during hunting.

After some time the eagles will be released again to the wilderness.
TooLate2Apologize
Kazakhs are interesting looking people.







Kazakhs from China:

daxian
The Kazaq of china always looks more yellow than white.
Some Kazaq from China





Atari400
QUOTE(daxian @ Feb 15 2009, 09:07 PM) [snapback]4131322[/snapback]
The Kazaq of china always looks more yellow than white.


Cool pics.

Still think they looked "mixed". biggthumpup.gif
baybal
>http://www.gmw.cn/images/2006-07/21/xin_2007032103004843205124.jpg

those are kırgızes, not kazakhs
wowow
QUOTE(Atari400 @ Feb 17 2009, 04:32 AM) [snapback]4132475[/snapback]
Cool pics.

Still think they looked "mixed". biggthumpup.gif

1 a bit mixed
2/4 just like mongol
3 like chinese
They are always proud of their mixed blood. They always say thanks for mixed blood, they have more choice now, they can marry a yellow or a white. laugh.gif
Sarana
That is because the Kazakhs from Western Mongolia are mostly Kereits or Kerei. However, the Kazakhs from Kazakhstan are mostly Jalaiir, Duklat, Kongirat, Kuralas, and etc, just like the Khalkha and Jerim League Mongols. There are also Telengit (Oirat) Mongols in Kazakhstan. Kipchaks and Wusin make the other part. Also some Kazakhs are mixed with Uyghurs, Tatars, and at some extent, with the Bashkirs. There are some Jews, Russians, Germans, and Koreans in Kazakhstan too. But a good way to research is to look at the ethnic Kazakhs Uran and Tamga, because the smaller tribes were absorbed within the larger tribes.
ralfi
QUOTE(Atari400 @ Dec 8 2008, 11:08 PM) [snapback]4039735[/snapback]
Jewish yes, Iranian no.

his mother is Israeli but comes from Iran..... but he's a british subject.... embarassedlaugh.gif
kaylashi
did anyone else see that hat on the falcon? that is just to cute.
Atari400
QUOTE(wowow @ Feb 17 2009, 06:55 AM) [snapback]4133409[/snapback]
1 a bit mixed
2/4 just like mongol
3 like chinese
They are always proud of their mixed blood. They always say thanks for mixed blood, they have more choice now, they can marry a yellow or a white. laugh.gif


Their clothing is all very "Turk", if nothing else.

QUOTE(ralfi @ May 8 2009, 09:41 AM) [snapback]4224094[/snapback]
his mother is Israeli but comes from Iran..... but he's a british subject.... embarassedlaugh.gif


That is actually a false rumor. He has no Iranian ancestry.

Wikipedia Article

He certainly does not look Iranian... genius.gif
baybal
QUOTE (Erdene5th @ Dec 8 2008, 06:19 AM) *
Speaking to Kazakhs....99.9% says they'll eventually go back home....that is back to Kazakhstan....In Bayan-Olgii, most Govt officials were graduates of Kazakh Universities. Soon we'll have a direct flight between Almaty and UB.....so more will go back I suppose....

First you need to punch a russin or a chinese border =D
thehorsemen
I like you, I like sex, is nice. [/borat]
TooLate2Apologize
Im so intrigued by the Eurasian features of Kazakhs and Mongolians in Western Mongolia. Blue eyes in an East Asian face. Their eye color is not from their climate, but from their Eurasian admixture from the ancient days of course. This type of admixture is only found in Central Asia, Mongolia and Western China..and Russian Siberia to a certain extent.

SoonToBeDaddy
QUOTE (TooLate2Apologize @ Jun 17 2009, 09:08 AM) *
Im so intrigued by the Eurasian features of Kazakhs and Mongolians in Western Mongolia. Blue eyes in an East Asian face. Their eye color is not from their climate, but from their Eurasian admixture from the ancient days of course. This type of admixture is only found in Central Asia, Mongolia and Western China..and Russian Siberia to a certain extent.



I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Genetic research into European-looking Kazakhs and Mongols have shown no consistent ancestral evidence either then light-hair/eyes resulting from genetic drifting (which btw - light-colored eyes itself originated from) due to varying climates and evolution. There is no European ancestry, but minor traces of Iranic has been found amongst Central Asians. Iranics were not European in appearance, unless you support the Aryan theory which has evolved to become renamed as Indo-European.
TooLate2Apologize
You must be reading the wrong test.

DNA test show Kazakhs on average are 30% Eurasian, and Mongolians(Xinjiang Mongolians) to be 14% Eurasian.

The DNA study from the prestigous Oxford University is pretty grounded and legitimate to me.

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/...ract/21/12/2265

"western Eurasian-specific haplogroup frequency was observed, with the highest frequency present in Uygur (42.6%) and Uzbek (41.4%) samples, followed by Kazak (30.2%), Mongolian (14.3%), and Hui (6.7%). No western Eurasian type was found in Han Chinese samples from the same place."
SoonToBeDaddy
I'm not denying that some Mongolians are legitimately mixed, myself included. Mongols are a far-ranging people from Mongolia all the way to Iran and Eastern Europe. So further westward we go the more mixed we tend to be. We don't hide our ancestry, we identify as Mongols but doesn't mean we will deny our mixed heritage when asked.

Mongol genes are very strong, you can even see a 1/8 Mongol carrying Mongol features despite the majority of his blood. But even halfies do not look like these people you have presented. I know my dad who is a halfie Mongol himself, and ask bigmonkey/thehorseman as well if you like. Both me and him are mixed, but we don't represent all of our people.

There are also MANY who have no caucasian ancestry yet possess light hair/eyes despite it - and not just juvenile light hair either (A common trait amongst pure Mongols) - it carries into adulthood. Unable to accept the fact of genetic drifting occuring amongst Mongols European racialists say "Cause we mixed with Scythians" yet they were an Iranic people who did not portray Western Europid features. So to me the intermixing theory no longer makes any sense.
LyingPigFromNowhere
Look at his eyes.This guy seriously got angry ! icon_twisted.gif

TooLate2Apologize
I just love the Eurasian features of Kazakhs in Western Mongolia. Central Asians have their own unique look. I also love their hats, I want a hat like that.



















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