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Norman
Hi, I would like to reopen this thread to your questions in regards to Christianity. Norman... Christian Missionary Reynosa Mexico.


Hola, their seems to be a variety of questions or assumptions made by those who want to explain the basics of Christian thought.

I want to open this thread with inviting your questions and I will give you answers.

I realize that for the most part the writers here in this forum write in secrecy of who they really are, with this insecure attitude, and lack of self confidence, it's difficult for one, to truly express one's personal thoughts, and then you have those, who in fact, are not Christian at all! but, who assume to be, they belong to false cults.

Secrecy avails nothing.

Honest thought, along with honest expression, are a pre-requisite for the gaining of true knowledge.

For once I would encourage all to try and express- in this very public forum- questions in regards to Christianity, that you are sincere and want to know about.

As all know, this site has some of the most fowl, filthy, hateful, sexist, bigoted views expressed, by mean people who only want to hurt others with their weapons of words.

Let's try and be honest about this forum, one of it's purposes as stated, is about a discussion about Religion, and I would liked to have one about Christian Religion.

Any question that one has, will begin this thread.

Thanks and Happy 2009 to All. icon_smile.gif icon_smile.gif

Norman Oetker A Christian Missionary now serving in Reynosa Mexico, formerly in South East Asia.
ClearBlueWater
What happens if missionaries go somewhere to help a group of peoples out and to "spread the good word," and the people are in need but ardently decline the spiritual "education?" Do they still get the physical help or do the missionaries just pack up and move out to help some god fearing folk instead?
Norman
QUOTE(ClearBlueWater @ Jan 2 2009, 12:21 PM) [snapback]4070053[/snapback]
What happens if missionaries go somewhere to help a group of peoples out and to "spread the good word," and the people are in need but ardently decline the spiritual "education?" Do they still get the physical help or do the missionaries just pack up and move out to help some god fearing folk instead?


This is a topic that is close to my heart.

I will give you a first hand experience.

In the past I was faced with a decision after I first yielded my life to the Lordship of "Jesus."

I had made some plans to possibly enter into the "International Red Cross."

My thoughts ran along this line that maybe through this organization I could reach and help many people that were in serious need.

Yet, upon further thought it became clear, to bind and patch people up, and then, for them to be lost in eternity, was in my mind, not such a good plan.

........

The Decision I Made Thereafter Was A Surrender Of My Will To God And To be A Missionary For Him.


Then being in the Himalayan mountains, in a small Mong Njua village, where Malaria and Typhoid was quite common, there the villagers believed that their smoking indoor fires would keep the mosquitoes out, and they refused the spraying of the Thai government official.

They declined to go to a border school

I lived for 4 months in a dirt floor hut, wearing Mong tribal cloths.

I was the first white missionary, there was no running water, no electric, no roads and it took me 2 days to treek up into these Burma Thai Mountains to this place.

Through an interpreter, I began to share the Creation story, to Christ and His Salvation.

Finally, at the end of the 4 months, I was able to get one Mong New Testament Primer, a first of it's kind, from another Christian group, and I gave it to the only Mong man that could read.

There was a meeting called and held. The village headman and elders in regards to the message I had been sharing.

I can't tell you how excited I was for this meeting to even take place, as everyone arrived of this three small villages clump together, around the 7 thousand foot level, the elders of this total population of about 260 men, women and children.

Had Only One Thought Expressed By The Headman in His Question.


The question was if they became a Christian how many wifes could they have?

For they had multiples wifes.

All eyes where fastened on this strange, who was 6 foot 4 inch, blue eyed, with blonde hair.

The fella who had left beautiful Rich America to come there, they had a hard time of why any sensible person would do that.

I answered their question without hesitation.

I raised 1 finger and then said one wife.


The meeting ended and nothing was said, later all said they did not want to become a Christian.

As a young missionary I was devastated, I just knew that all would become a Christian.

I had spent 5 years in this area and to date now all of these three villages have converted to Christianity.

Is it because of what I said? yes, but, I was just a messenger, there were many other missionaries that have went into these villages.

Now, you can drive on a winding black top road, in one hour's time to this village.

They have pick up trucks, electric, telephones, water to the houses, toilets, and regular little modern Thai city.

The Help that you mentioned about in your reply was facilitated by the Thai government which is Buddhist, and other NGO's (Non Government Agency)

There is much I could share but... I think that covers your questions. Norman





Henry123
QUOTE(ClearBlueWater @ Jan 2 2009, 01:21 PM) [snapback]4070053[/snapback]
What happens if missionaries go somewhere to help a group of peoples out and to "spread the good word," and the people are in need but ardently decline the spiritual "education?" Do they still get the physical help or do the missionaries just pack up and move out to help some god fearing folk instead?
QUOTE(Norman @ Jan 2 2009, 02:52 PM) [snapback]4070103[/snapback]
The Help that you mentioned about in your reply was facilitated by the Thai government which is Buddhist, and other NGO's (Non Government Agency)

There is much I could share but... I think that covers your questions. Norman

You didnt answer the question Norman. It was a very straight forward question.
(I'm a little skeptical of your intentions here.)


ClearBlueWater isnt asking about what the Thai government did. She is asking what happens if missionaries go to a place where their spiritual teachings is decline. Would they still get needed physical help from the missionaries? In other words: Are there conditions? Are there strings attach?
Norman
QUOTE(Henry123 @ Jan 2 2009, 05:14 PM) [snapback]4070288[/snapback]
You didnt answer the question Norman. It was a very straight forward question.
(I'm a little skeptical of your intentions here.)
ClearBlueWater isnt asking about what the Thai government did. She is asking what happens if missionaries go to a place where their spiritual teachings is decline. Would they still get needed physical help from the missionaries? In other words: Are there conditions? Are there strings attach?



Hola, after reading your request I can only assume English is not your first language.

I, as a missionary, answered how I dealt with that question in my missionary life.

If you are unable to realize that, then in all likelihood, you could open another thread and ask your questions until you find what you are looking for.

Have a great year 2009. Norman icon_smile.gif
Henry123
QUOTE(Norman @ Jan 2 2009, 07:27 PM) [snapback]4070358[/snapback]
Hola, after reading your request I can only assume English is not your first language.

I, as a missionary, answered how I dealt with that question in my missionary life.

If you are unable to realize that, then in all likelihood, you could open another thread and ask your questions until you find what you are looking for.

Have a great year 2009. Norman icon_smile.gif

What request?

You continue to evade ClearBlueWater's questions. It was a very straight forward question.
mikekk86
QUOTE(Henry123 @ Jan 2 2009, 07:52 PM) [snapback]4070391[/snapback]
What request?

You continue to evade ClearBlueWater's questions. It was a very straight forward question.


That's why Norman's posts are....
Norman
QUOTE(Henry123 @ Jan 2 2009, 06:52 PM) [snapback]4070391[/snapback]
What request?

You continue to evade ClearBlueWater's questions. It was a very straight forward question.


I'm sure if she has a question SHE is very abled to ask. norman icon_smile.gif
Henry123
QUOTE(Norman @ Jan 2 2009, 08:09 PM) [snapback]4070412[/snapback]
I'm sure if she has a question SHE is very abled to ask. norman icon_smile.gif

She already asked.
I would also like to know what would be the answer be too.

mikekk86
QUOTE(ClearBlueWater @ Jan 2 2009, 01:21 PM) [snapback]4070053[/snapback]
What happens if missionaries go somewhere to help a group of peoples out and to "spread the good word," and the people are in need but ardently decline the spiritual "education?" Do they still get the physical help or do the missionaries just pack up and move out to help some god fearing folk instead?

Here's her question again. It would be a good birthday gift to answer it!
Norman
QUOTE(Henry123 @ Jan 2 2009, 07:10 PM) [snapback]4070414[/snapback]
She already asked.
I would also like to know what would be the answer be too.



Hola...you seem determine about something and I'm not sure what you are exactly looking for?
In regards to Her i have answered her inquiry.

Now, in regards to your Christian question please state just exactly what you want to know OK? icon_smile.gificon_smile.gif Norman
Norman
QUOTE(mikekk86 @ Jan 2 2009, 07:14 PM) [snapback]4070418[/snapback]
Here's her question again. It would be a good birthday gift to answer it!



Hola, I have answered her question, you seem to have a question also, please just you state clearly what you want to know ok? icon_smile.gificon_smile.gif Norman
Henry123
QUOTE(Norman @ Jan 2 2009, 08:15 PM) [snapback]4070419[/snapback]
Hola...you seem determine about something and I'm not sure what you are exactly looking for?
In regards to Her i have answered her inquiry.

Now, in regards to your Christian question please state just exactly what you want to know OK? icon_smile.gificon_smile.gif Norman

More evasions.
You have not answered her question. I would be curious in the answer as well.

What happens if missionaries go somewhere to help a group of peoples out and to "spread the good word," and the people are in need but ardently decline the spiritual "education?" Do they still get the physical help (from the missionaries) or do the missionaries just pack up and move out to help some god fearing folk instead?
Norman
QUOTE(Henry123 @ Jan 2 2009, 07:19 PM) [snapback]4070421[/snapback]
More evasions.
You have not answered her question. I would be curious in the answer as well.

What happens if missionaries go somewhere to help a group of peoples out and to "spread the good word," and the people are in need but ardently decline the spiritual "education?" Do they still get the physical help (from the missionaries) or do the missionaries just pack up and move out to help some god fearing folk instead?



To answer your question, the Christian Missionary is not an Aid Worker, that is the implication in my response to her, and that seems to have eluded you.

Thanks for your question. Norman icon_smile.gificon_smile.gif
IbanezThep
I am perfectly at peace and happy with pretty much everything in my life right now, I have have no malicious thoughts or a criminal record and I do well in school...is there any reason for me to convert?

Will I burn in hell because I will always be Buddhist?

Do you think the Hindu religion and practices are stupid?

Do you have many sexual thoughts?

Do you masturbate often?

What job would you have if you weren't working with the Church?

If you could afford any car, what model would you get?

Is it okay for devout Christians listen to music like this even if they don't believe in it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3FXd6mwZXQ

Henry123
QUOTE(Norman @ Jan 2 2009, 08:27 PM) [snapback]4070431[/snapback]
To answer your question, the Christian Missionary is not an Aid Worker,
Thanks for your question. Norman icon_smile.gificon_smile.gif

Translation: Christian missionaries will do crap for the locals for their physical needs..


QUOTE(Norman @ Jan 2 2009, 08:27 PM) [snapback]4070431[/snapback]
that is the implication in my response to her, and that seems to have eluded you.

Nope its was your refusal to answer the straight forward questions.


2009 is going to be a great year. icon_smile.gif
IbanezThep
QUOTE(Henry123 @ Jan 2 2009, 07:19 PM) [snapback]4070421[/snapback]
More evasions.
You have not answered her question. I would be curious in the answer as well.

What happens if missionaries go somewhere to help a group of peoples out and to "spread the good word," and the people are in need but ardently decline the spiritual "education?" Do they still get the physical help (from the missionaries) or do the missionaries just pack up and move out to help some god fearing folk instead?


embarassedlaugh.gif I guess that's a NO then
Henry123
QUOTE(IbanezThep @ Jan 2 2009, 08:35 PM) [snapback]4070436[/snapback]
embarassedlaugh.gif I guess that's a NO then

You got that right. laugh.gif
Norman
Is there any reason for me to convert?

It is impossible for one to convert, you can only have that opportunity, when the Father fist draws you to Himself, then you will have the opportunity to decide after you understand the Salvation message.


Will I burn in hell because I will always be Buddhist?

The Salvation message will be given to all, in the Father's time, you then will accept or reject. Heaven or Hell.


Do you think the Hindu religion and practices are stupid?

No there not stupid, they are just another good religious practice.

Is it okay for devout Christians listen to music like this even if they don't believe in it?

The Christian has full control of what he/she desires to listen to, they make the decisions.
ICUQB4UQRU
QUOTE(Norman @ Jan 2 2009, 01:51 PM) [snapback]4070023[/snapback]
Hola, their seems to be a variety of questions or assumptions made by those who want to explain the basics of Christian thought.

I want to open this thread with inviting your questions and I will give you answers.

I realize that for the most part the writers here in this forum write in secrecy of who they really are, with this insecure attitude, and lack of self confidence, it's difficult for one, to truly express one's personal thoughts.

Secrecy avails nothing.

Honest thought, along with honest expression, are a pre-requisite for the gaining of true knowledge.

For once I would encourage all to try and express- in this very public forum- questions in regards to Christianity, that you are sincere and want to know about.

As all know, this site has some of the most fowl, filthy, hateful, sexist, bigoted views expressed, by mean people who only want to hurt others with their weapons of words.

Let's try and be honest about this forum, one of it's purposes as stated, is about a discussion about Religion, and I would liked to have one about Christian Religion.

Any question that one has, will begin this thread.

Thanks and Happy 2009 to All. icon_smile.gificon_smile.gif

Norman Oetker A Christian Missionary now serving in Reynosa Mexico, formerly in South East Asia.


Dude, to be honest, I don't even wanna be here. Due to what happened, I wants to stay but do not want to stay. Due to what did not happened, I can leave anytime but cannot leave. I am very old yet very young. Basically, this suck!

BTW: I guess it depend on who you married, some just don't seem to care (like me, but I am not of that type and it will hurt really bad.) But usually the high ranking one, I don't think you wanna mess with them.
Norman
QUOTE(ICUQB4UQRU @ Jan 2 2009, 07:46 PM) [snapback]4070443[/snapback]
Dude, to be honest, I don't even wanna be here. Due to what happened, I wants to stay but do not want to stay. Due to what did not happened, I can leave anytime but cannot leave. I am very old yet very young. Basically, this suck!

BTW: I guess it depend on who you married, some just don't seem to care (like me, but I am not of that type and it will hurt really bad.) But usually the high ranking one, I don't think you wanna mess with them.



No comment off topic. Norman icon_smile.gif
mikekk86
Question. What if, Norman, Christianity is just another false religion and there actually is no God and this is what you truly found out and believed? What would you do with your life? Would you be different? What would your new job be? How would you live life?
IbanezThep
Can you use yes or no to answer questions?

Okay, legitimate question.....why don't YOU convert?
ICUQB4UQRU
I am a Chirstian and yet not a Chirstian. I believed but not really. I respect Chirst and I do not. Peharps, one day, other will respect me and they do not.
Norman
QUOTE(mikekk86 @ Jan 2 2009, 07:56 PM) [snapback]4070451[/snapback]
Question. What if, Norman, Christianity is just another false religion and there actually is no God and this is what you truly found out and believed? What would you do with your life? Would you be different? What would your new job be? How would you live life?


A false religion!
Yes, I would have agreed with you in the past, in regards to the question "is there really a God?"

This will be difficult to share because strong emotions come into play.

When God draws you unto Himself all of those differing ideals fade away.

You have an inward witness that you are in the presence of the Lord.

You then will have a time to learn and then you will decide. Accept Christ or to reject Christ.

In regards to another type of life, job or whatever, it's not for me.


Norman
QUOTE(IbanezThep @ Jan 2 2009, 07:57 PM) [snapback]4070452[/snapback]
Can you use yes or no to answer questions?

Okay, legitimate question.....why don't YOU convert?



The topic is in regards to the Christian faith. Norman icon_smile.gif
mikekk86
^ Innnnntresting.
ICUQB4UQRU
Dude! If you were to meet me and shake my hand, in all fairness, I am just like you (and not so much like you.)

Pre-cap: stop bugging me! Or stop them from bugging me.
Norman
QUOTE(ICUQB4UQRU @ Jan 2 2009, 08:16 PM) [snapback]4070479[/snapback]
Dude! If you were to meet me and shake my hand, in all fairness, I am just like you (and not so much like you.)



Yes, I'm just like you but only different.
Now the topic question is about the Christian Faith. Norman icon_smile.gif
mikekk86
^ So is there a job that you would try out if you had no faith in the Christian religion? If you were to describe what kind of person you are without any Biblical context, how would you?
Norman
QUOTE(mikekk86 @ Jan 2 2009, 08:25 PM) [snapback]4070495[/snapback]
^ So is there a job that you would try out if you had no faith in the Christian religion? If you were to describe what kind of person you are without any Biblical context, how would you?



Those are interesting questions, for another time.

The topic is about the Christian faith. Norman icon_smile.gif
Henry123
Evasion?
IbanezThep
How does god feel about gays?
mikekk86
QUOTE(Norman @ Jan 2 2009, 09:32 PM) [snapback]4070521[/snapback]
Those are interesting questions, for another time.

The topic is about the Christian faith. Norman icon_smile.gif

My question IS about the topic of Christian faith. What if you had none starting today? Job? Self description? Any life changes? Etc.
Norman
QUOTE(mikekk86 @ Jan 2 2009, 08:40 PM) [snapback]4070533[/snapback]
My question IS about the topic of Christian faith. What if you had none starting today? Job? Self description? Any life changes? Etc.



This topic is about the Christian faith, you will need to open another thread, on your other topic that you are interested in. Norman icon_smile.gif
mikekk86
^Would u answer the question if I made a new topic on it?
Norman
QUOTE(mikekk86 @ Jan 2 2009, 09:00 PM) [snapback]4070572[/snapback]
^Would u answer the question if I made a new topic on it?



Ok... I will keep this short and to the point, I don't want another life, I have no desire for another life, I have no wish to speculate On some thing I don't want punto! Ok amigo?

The Topic is about the Christian faith. Norman icon_smile.gif
mikekk86
^Interesting.
avisitor
QUOTE(mikekk86 @ Jan 3 2009, 12:00 AM) [snapback]4070627[/snapback]
^Interesting.


You're trying to test his faith and Norman doesn't see it.
So, it is on topic.

It is funny how people who have such faith want to press others into it.
Much like misery likes company.

So, Norman, my question is ...
How different would your answer be about Christ rising from the dead if you actually saw it
instead of having to put faith into his resurrection?
And, what about the second coming of Christ?
ICUQB4UQRU
QUOTE(avisitor @ Jan 3 2009, 01:16 AM) [snapback]4070674[/snapback]
You're trying to test his faith and Norman doesn't see it.
So, it is on topic.

It is funny how people who have such faith want to press others into it.
Much like misery likes company.

So, Norman, my question is ...
How different would your answer be about Christ rising from the dead if you actually saw it
instead of having to put faith into his resurrection?
And, what about the second coming of Christ?


I cannot believe that I voluntee for this but whatever man. Let make up a senerio shall we.

(1)If you were Jesus, would you show up?
(2)If you show up, WHAT would you do? (based on what type of "person" you are protray as in the Bible)
(3)Why did that Nihon "woman" sue some comic and not just sent it herself?
(3.5)Why am I here, why you here, what the hell is going on?
(3.5<x<3.50)Are we killer?
ClearBlueWater
BTW guys, he did kind of answer it, he just talked around it. He basically said he wasn't the one doing the work but after they said no he stuck around for a while and kept right on trying to convert people anyway and eventually they caved.

Chillin
What if CBW was God?
Norman
QUOTE(IbanezThep @ Jan 2 2009, 08:39 PM) [snapback]4070532[/snapback]
How does god feel about gays?



God speaks for Himself in the Bible. Norman
Norman
QUOTE(avisitor @ Jan 2 2009, 11:16 PM) [snapback]4070674[/snapback]
You're trying to test his faith and Norman doesn't see it.
So, it is on topic.

It is funny how people who have such faith want to press others into it.
Much like misery likes company.

So, Norman, my question is ...
How different would your answer be about Christ rising from the dead if you actually saw it
instead of having to put faith into his resurrection?
And, what about the second coming of Christ?



The Christian faith is the Topic, it is difficult for those who do not have their trust in Christ to understand, that there is an inward witness that one experiences as God supernatural gives the new believer a new life. An even though things have happened centuries ago they are as real now as if one was there. Norman
Norman
QUOTE(ICUQB4UQRU @ Jan 3 2009, 06:19 AM) [snapback]4070909[/snapback]
I cannot believe that I voluntee for this but whatever man. Let make up a senerio shall we.

(1)If you were Jesus, would you show up?
(2)If you show up, WHAT would you do? (based on what type of "person" you are protray as in the Bible)
(3)Why did that Nihon "woman" sue some comic and not just sent it herself?
(3.5)Why am I here, why you here, what the hell is going on?
(3.5<x<3.50)Are we killer?



Just legitimate questions, if you want to create stories you need to start a new thread on your topic. Norman
ICUQB4UQRU
QUOTE(Norman @ Jan 3 2009, 07:52 PM) [snapback]4071367[/snapback]
Just legitimate questions, if you want to create stories you need to start a new thread on your topic. Norman


Is Jesus a Captain?
Norman
QUOTE(ICUQB4UQRU @ Jan 3 2009, 06:02 PM) [snapback]4071374[/snapback]
Is Jesus a Captain?



Si.. there are interpretations that He, "Jesus' is referred to as the "Captain Of The Heavenly Host," however, there have have been differing theologians that have in part tried to imply that Jesus was only an angel. An Error. Norman
ICUQB4UQRU
QUOTE(Norman @ Jan 3 2009, 08:49 PM) [snapback]4071404[/snapback]
Si.. there are interpretations that He, "Jesus' is referred to as the "Captain Of The Heavenly Host," however, there have have been differing theologians that have in part tried to imply that Jesus was only an angel. An Error. Norman


I do not know what he is. But he wanted to be king of the Jew and are very kind to them. Base on logico: history mod: (time 0 B.C., location centralize)<---->(time 2000 A.D., location centralized) I say he was at least a Vice Captain by rank. The Jewist people have all the right to exist and live in happiness btw.
Norman
QUOTE(ICUQB4UQRU @ Jan 3 2009, 07:11 PM) [snapback]4071417[/snapback]
I do not know what he is. But he wanted to be king of the Jew and are very kind to them. Base on logico: history mod: (time 0 B.C., location centralize)<---->(time 2000 A.D., location centralized) I say he was at least a Vice Captain by rank. The Jewist people have all the right to exist and live in happiness btw.



No comment !@#$%???? Norman icon_smile.gif
avisitor
QUOTE(Norman @ Jan 3 2009, 07:26 PM) [snapback]4071345[/snapback]
The Christian faith is the Topic, it is difficult for those who do not have their trust in Christ to understand, that there is an inward witness that one experiences as God supernatural gives the new believer a new life. An even though things have happened centuries ago they are as real now as if one was there. Norman



If Christain faith is the topic then your faith is most important to the topic since you are the OP.
It is difficult for those who have their trust in Christ to understand or believe that there is
other things which explain the tenants of the Christain faith.
"God supernatural"? Ha, ha, ha, ... make up your mind. Is it God or the supernatural?
God wouldn't be supernatural if it were really God.
Hmmm, it seems that you are very much twisted in your own ideas about the Christain faith.
When stories are written in the pages of a book, do you always take them for true stories?
When something happens to you and you see with your very own eyes, doesn't it mean it is more real?
Faith, ... or blind faith is a double edge sword, ... it cuts in both directions.
Believe what you want but the truth will come out. Then, you will have tons of the faithful
fighting for their truths whether real or not ... cuz they have been believing for so long icon_twisted.gif
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