I think there's too much b!tching going on here. "You stole our culture , food etc etc etc" .

Let's actually share cultural similarities and differences in a civilised and collaborative way and decide what's similar and what's not but in a positive fashion that moves us into an era of new found friendship between neighbours .



Let's start with the obvious : LANGUAGE



I'll begin - Burmese is a Sino-Tibetan Language of the Tibeto-Burman branch and more specifically the Lolo-Burmese branch. There are various dialects within Burma and other dialects which are mutually intelligible but considered separate languages like Rakhaing , Intha et al . The other Tibeto-Burman languages within Burma are not of the same family ie Chin ( Mizo ) , Karennic , Kachin ( Jinghpo / Rawang et al ) . Our nearest linguistic cousins are the Yi and Naxi in southern China : the former being part of the former NanZhao kingdom before full sinicisation and annexation ( ironically by the Mongols ) .


There is likely within Burmese an older Tibeto-Burman substrata ( Pyu ) as well as loan words from Mon in particular a people and linguistic group now without a nation who were on the main absorbed into the greater Burmese identity . There are loanwards from Tai who form the majority population in about a third of the country and also from Indo-European languages especially Pali , Hindi and of course English .

LOLO people as in Pee Lor Ko, Ko Lor Pharn Cool...

lol Lolo was a word used by me and my friends during our teenage years as a reference to penis lol

Well the basics are quite obvious

1. Religion
2. We all hate each other
3. War
4. Prostitution
5. Mannerisms
6. Did I mention we all hate each other?
7. We all still hate each other

lol

not sure lolo is a Chinese term now considered derogatory but then so is the newer term Yi . The term Nuoso , Nosu is also used.





ok that's a good starting point - one Burmese word for willy is lee tell me another Thai word for it

lol lee, I'll make that point out to all my friends who are called lee or have lee as their surname

Another Thai word for it is Grajiow or Aijoo

lee-sa means to eat c*@k ha ha - used to have a GF called Lisa


other Burmese words for schlong are la-byut or gway

gway sounds like our work Kuay also means schlong

not bad opinion na. But someone maybe don't think so ah. One friend is from Burmanese( he's mixed thai-burma). Now, he's a hair stylist in salon.He told me that he escapeed from the government when he studied in Burma cause he protested the government. He's in one of black list and he can't come back in Burma. Despite my another friend from Romania wanna live in Burma. I didn't understand his opinion.

Pet-ta-lock!=Close the door!,is it right?
:P

Well the Romanian guy is a westerner who doesn't understand the issue within the country and the government. Your other friend the one thats been blacklisted is a known protester and will probably be killed on return.

Me personally actually want to visit Burma because it is rich in history and I also want to make a trip to Visit the Shan brother and sisters that are being killed for no reason

But by the way things are going at present, I doubt I will make a move soon. The government needs to be changed and the country needs to open up so the people can have a better life.

One of the reasons why I liked the latest Rambo movie is because they showed some of what is going on in there.

probably from same source Mon ( btw i'm just speculating )




pait laik - means "close it "

Dont know why anyone would say we hate each other? I have no Idea. We are connected through our style of Buddhism, which maybe the number one thing that connects us together.

We also have to seperate THAI? it is not a singular thing, The great Majority of "Thais" are our pi-nong, relatives, and most Lao of Laos and those Tai of THailand get along, and consider ourselves family.

Then u have Chinese "Thais" who arnt even Tai in ethnic trying to claim things that our Tai.

Every Burmese I ever met, i thought they are pretty cool. Other then a few spats with Khmer in the forum, we over all like each other.

Trust me, No Lao except a few, i will admit have any bad feeling towards so called Thai ppl.

So i think ur idea of us not getting along is miss guided, when u suggest we dont get along.

As u can see, during the time of the political Conflict, ALL the Lao supported the People of Thailand, the majority of Thais whose vote got thrown out the window because of a minority group who controled the judges and military.

Burmese, Khmer, Lao and Most Thai get along very very well. its just a few Chinese who arent even Tai that live in Thailand who think they represent all Thailand. when i argue, Im not arguing with my pi-nong Tai ppl of Thailand, im arguing with chinese ppl.

I have to make that point clear. Chinese ppl who live in thailand who arent even Tai are the ones not getting along with everyone else. The Actual Tai of Thailand are our Pi-Nong.

Since Thai are not pure "Tai" same as many "Laos" so we all are related.

What do you consider as Thai? Siamese, Lanna Lao, Lao Isan, or Mon? Please brake it down for us who doesn't know what is consider as Thai..

Thai are the people of Thailand.The Kingdom which made up of many great kingdoms from the past. Majority of Thai people especially in the metroplex and capital city are the hybrid of Tai/Mon/Khmer/Malay/Chinese (in variety of mixing ratio) blended together as "one".

In that case only Siamese should be consider as Thai, Lanna, Esan, and Mon are consider different breed of their own. The reason I said such thing is because not everyone is HYBRID like you Peaceman/Khunshraw......... . I am Lao Esan and I'm only Thai was because I am being forced into believing that I am Thai when the fact is I AM of Lao ethnicity.

Please feel free to show us the result of the Hybrid people, name the exact location of where such people that you have considered as the new breed of human being of Hybrid live.

I know I'm a dumb @$$ and full of curiosity, so please teach me!

Lee is one of the most popular Jek surname.

So people who live around metroplex and capital city are consider as Thai/Hybrid, so what about Lanna, Esan, and them Jihad people from the south are they still consider as Thai?

In the mean time I'll be back, have to pick up customers they needed a taxi, see you then.....bye bye

Wowww, there are still Tai people in South, who are not Malay but embracing Islam like my grandpa, their language resemble you people in North only the slang is slightly different. Our greatfathers were located in South since Sukhothai, we have temple records here for sure, just check it with certain village temples here in Malaysia. I am half Malay and Thai. There is No Jihad people in SOuth, only Stupid people who bomb others and creating chaos, those bunch of mafias and ninny. I think they are ghost and without balls, bombing and disappear.

Wowww, there are still Tai people in South, who are not Malay but embracing Islam like my grandpa, their language resemble you people in North only the slang is slightly different. Our greatfathers were located in South since Sukhothai, we have temple records here for sure, just check it with certain village temples here in Malaysia. I am half Malay or maybe Mon and Tai. There is No Jihad people in SOuth, only Stupid people who bomb others and creating chaos, those bunch of mafias and ninny. I think they are ghost and without balls, bombing and disappear.

thai people more like chop suey than hybrid .

What about personal names?

An overwhelming majority of Burmese have no surnames or family names. In fact, I think to most Burmese the concept of a family name being passed down from generation to generation would be quite alien and strange. Whereas AFAIK Thai, Lao and Khmers have family names.

Kuay in Malay = Desert or Cake?

That the same stuffs the girl like

Khmer has a weird system for family names. The surname of children is usually the first name of the father and the mother seems to keep their surname.

is that pretty standard ? in Burma there's no tradition of family names as such but some people pass on part of their name to the next gneration and often is a part of both the father and mother's name . Mostly though your name is determined by the day on which you were born plus the quality of the poets or lyricists in your family

you mean the woman keeps her name when she marries?

I think that's kind of similar to how some Arabs and Arabicised muslims such as the Malays name their children.

For example, with the name Anwar Ibrahim, Ibrahim is actually the first name of his father, but Anwar Ibrahim's children take on the surname Anwar. So basically, the surname in the family will usually change every generation, provided of course the sons do not get named after their fathers or grandfathers. The females also keep their surname after they marry.

As i Said, THai is not an Ethnicity, just a mix of other ethnic ppl.

Tai=Lao ppl, there is a Lao/Tai country beside thailand. Khmer = there is Cambodia, Malay = there is a Malaysia, Chinese = There is a China. Mon is the only ethnic group in ur mix that doesnt have their own country, even though the royal family of Thailand are Mon descendants.

Thailand is a mix of all the Ethnic ppl around them. Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia, China. So they are a mix of different ethnic groups that exist in the land they live. It is not any Ethnicity of their own.

Your logic would only be true, if Thai doesn't have our own identity and country.

In the law of evolution this is how Siamese/Thai exist. Actually that's how Burmese exist, too.

Siamese were/are hybrid just like any other races, that keep evolving for more than a thousand of years with our own distinct language,cultures and life style.Majority of us and the King were/are hybrid which can't be classify as pure Tai/Mon/Khmer/Malay or Chinese. We are different people than those of thousands of years ago.All these elements created a Thai race.

There are so many ethnicity in my vein same as my wife(her dad is a Southerner with Indian look) so our childern will be more mixed, but we carry on our Thai language,culture and life style, so we can't be Lao/Khmer/Malay/Chinese or whatever ethnic else but Siamese/Thai, just like our Kings.

But ofcourse we are related to all of our neighbors.

I think now the Sino-Khmer has influenced the name system and I think in the next generation, that (your mentioned) system would only exist in the rural area.

Honestly, I plan to adopt the new system because I love my surname.

Let say if we were able to travel back in time and removed the Lao side from your king's bloodline, will your king exist today?

Lolzzz, like someone said, what is Thai, someone who is 24% Tai/Lao, 26% Khmer, 22% Mon, 15% Chinese, 13% Malay? lolzzz, Or is Thai 50% Chinese, 25% Mon, 25% Tai/Lao. waite, Thai is 75% Mon, 10% Chinese, 15% Tai/Lao?

So what makes someone Thai? Mon, Khmer, and Malay ppl live in the Land before Lao/Tai moved down South. Mon, Khmer, and Malay ppl still live in Land, Thousand years after Lao/Tai + chinese moved Down. as someone said, There are many many many Mon, Khmer, Malay, Lao/Tai, Indian, Chinese communites still live in Thailand who not mixed. They are Fake thai because they are not Mixed?
lolzzzz,

So u have to be Mixed Mutt to be considered Thai? O i c, i never thought of it that way. Kon Muang are not real thai because they are basicly Kon Muang unless they marry a Khmer person and have babies, and their babies marry farang and Chinese ppl, so their children will be mixed enough to be considered Thai.
Good Logic dude

Ha ha ha you're funny.

Just some FACT! Manleaw love to twist....

What is so funny? the fact is without your great great grand parent you wouldn't be here to call yourselves a hybrid. At first I though you have lots of brain until now. Maybe its kind of Hybrid syndromes.

I'm sure respect all of my and my wife ancestors. That's why we see all of our neighbors as relatives, but to said we have no identity of our own and this and that lolzzz that's funny.

This is what Thai people hear when some one speak Khmer

Is it contain any meaning?

บอง สลัน เนียง
เนียง สลัน บอง เต้

Bong salun Neang

Neang Salun bong tae -lol

Why u talking to urself?

^ male - "I love you" to a woman (I think salun sounds pretty close enough to sralanh)
woman to man "I love you (too), but..."

nikkie - I hope that Cambodia can enforce this new system of surnames of the sino-khmer because I really don't like how surname changes by the first name of the father. It doesn't make any sense that way because its so hard to trace back family ties and history.

i agree, its hard to trace ur lineage if the surnames keep changing.

its pretty easy for Lao to trace our lineage because of the surname, that sometimes describes where they are from. And many surnames that actual tells us our lineage. such as the suffix, Vong, which means lineage of a certain bloodline.

yeah, i've heard about that. but my dad's family kept his father's surname. same w/ my mom's. when my parents came to the states, they changed their surnames to my mom's aunt's surname. weird.

Burmese King Bayinnaung (Burengnong in Thai) is known as "The conqueror in ten directions" in Thailand.
How Myanmarese think about him?

In Thai novel

Thai old movie

recent Thai cartoon

I think there's been way too much effort to venerate him by our military government that the youth in "Myanmar" treat him like you guys treat Naresuan . He was the man tho'

Naresuan and his father were traitors to both Ayutthya Kingdom then to his adopted Burmese Kingdom. Naresuans father betrayed Ayutthya buy helping the Burmese Destroy and capture Ayutthya, then Naresuan betrayed the Burmese who raised him as a kid by attacking them. Then He and his bloodline got wiped out by the Burmese. Karma

King Bayinnaung conquered ALL Kings except for 1. when that 1 King Died, his only son was taken to Burma, Chao MoungNoi. when he became of age to rule, the King of Burma returned Chao MoungNoi to rule over Lanxang as a vassel to Burma, as soon as Chao MOungNoi became King, He declared independence from Burma. natural process.

When Siames detroyed Viengchan, they took the heir of Viengchan to bangkok, when the eldest became of age to rule, was returned to rule Viengchan as vassel to Siam, the last King declared independence. natural process.

If Naresuan and his father did not plan the murder of the King of Ayutthya by corperating with the Burmese to take the thrown from the Souwannapoum Dynasty, Then the Burmese King would of eventually surplanted a noble or heir of the Souwannapoum Dynasty to eventually take the thrown of Ayutthya. un-natural process because Naresuans father surplanted himself as King instead of letting a noble or heir of Souwannapoum to take the thrown, Naresuan was an unworthy ruler and apart of an unworthy dynasty.

It is common pratice. But Naresuans father wanted to be King and give the thrown of Ayutthya to his son, so he planed to wipe out the Souwannapoum Dynasty and Kill the decendants of Suriyothai.

So he can been seen as both a Traitor and a Hero.

Fah ngum plan the murder of the King( his ucle) by corperating with the Angkorian. And betrayed the Angkorian who raised him as a teenager by not helping them when they needed him most, but rather took the bribe. At the end he gone mad. KARMA....

Thank you for sharing, yeah, Naresuans father betrayed Ayutthya buy helping the Burmese Destroy and capture Ayutthya, then Naresuan betrayed the Burmese who raised him as a kid by attacking them. Then He and his bloodline got wiped out by the Burmese. Karma

How did he coprerate with the Angkorians? I am sure it was his plan to take the thrown from his relative who banished him and his father to Angkor when he was a Kid.

He did betray Angkor by not helping them against Ayutthya, but instead took the bribe or bride of some nice arse. cant blame the guy, his princess died and he as any Man did what he had to do.

Besides, Ayutthya showed submission to Lanxang, Once a King shows submission U cant attack them.
U cant ask FaNgum to fight his relative who already showed obediance to him.

Fa Ngum at an old age went into priesthood in the kingdom of Nan where he died, while his son became a peaceful ruler of lanxang, unlike his father who was war like.

Hahaha same thing isn't it? He help Angkor killed his uncle and relative, then after he became king he betrayed Angkor by took the bribe.After his wife died he gone mad ain't he not? Till he have to step down for his son to rule over.

So he can been seen as both a Traitor and a Hero.

one of the great kings of burmese history

Fa Ngum was a noble and was one of the heirs to Loungprabang, So he is apart of the Royal family of Loungprabang. He is not an outsider who killed the royal family and took the thrown, he was apart of the royal family. He united most of the "Tai" states into One Kingdom. Hero, if he didnt do so, The Tai states are weak seperated, and would of not lasted as they did.

maybe he was seen as a traitor to the Khmers? im pretty sure he was, but that is the Khmers thoughts.

His Khmer princess died, he still had the princess from Ayutthya, I dont know where it is written he gone mad becuase the Khmer princess died. Fa Ngum had almost absolute power, every "Tai" King and Kingdom in Southeast Asia submitted to him. Ppl with absolute power can be a bit ecentric. But he stepped down and went to a monistary in Nan where he died of old age. I see nothing wrong with that.

General Rama 1 stage a coup against his boss King Taksin of Thonboulie, and proclaimed himself King of Siam. That how Chakri dynasty started, by a coup. Wondering why Siam has a lot.