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vienti
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...ry_expenditures

singapore expenses 7billion dollars of year military defense expenditure exceed.
so huge spend in singapore military expenditures.

if cambodia or vietnam 1/10 size of singapore's country is military reinforces need even.
but, size of singapore's country is so so small.

it is that there is no meaning even that singapore reinforces military strength.
if malaysia shoot 10 minutes for singapore to malaysia MLRS and HP 50 , all singapore get annihilated .
becoz, country is so small and narrow , dont avail entirely even that pay much singapore military defense expenditure.

it is no any meaning and no necessity that singapore spends so much money in singapore military defense expenditure.
i think that was not profitable in singapore to spend so much money by singapore military expenditure.
baybal
Land ^_^
DutchEastIndiesMan
Siege Mentality.
j_diddy
who dares wins.
Kopassus
A country needs a modern up to date armed forces to be able to defend hiself, but indeed, Singapore has bought so much weaponsystems, half of their airfleet is stationed abroad.
pericles
As i've mentioned to you Viente in another thread, deterrence is its defense policy.

With limited manpower and land, Singapore cannot afford a war of attrition. Therefore should diplomacy fails, she'll adopt a first strike policy. Strike first, talk later. To do so requires overwhelming firepower which Singapore has so far gained to achieve a quick gain. It has never used it before and hopefully never will. But it is a good indication of its powers of persuasion to any country thinking of mounting an attack. The money and resources expanded thus far, has proved itself thus far with 40 years of peace.
Betong
You are wrong. 40 years of peace was because Singapore was surround by peaceful neighbors.

Singapore should thanks both Malaysia and Indonesia for being such good neighbors even if both of this country dislike her.
swingdoctor
QUOTE(Betong @ Jan 8 2009, 05:37 AM) [snapback]4076859[/snapback]
You are wrong. 40 years of peace was because Singapore was surround by peaceful neighbors.

Singapore should thanks both Malaysia and Indonesia for being such good neighbors even if both of this country dislike her.

This is such a stupid statement.

Singaporeans could also argue that the best thing Malaysia ever did for her was to ask her to leave the federation. crazy.gif
Betong
QUOTE(swingdoctor @ Jan 8 2009, 06:16 AM) [snapback]4076879[/snapback]
This is such a stupid statement.

Singaporeans could also argue that the best thing Malaysia ever did for her was to ask her to leave the federation. crazy.gif

Most of Singaporeans already think that.

BTW, ridiculed my statement make you officially another version of LKY. Where all your whining about freedom of speech? Are you stop believing democracy?
swingdoctor
QUOTE(Betong @ Jan 8 2009, 08:48 AM) [snapback]4076941[/snapback]
Most of Singaporeans already think that.

BTW, ridiculed my statement make you officially another version of LKY. Where all your whining about freedom of speech? Are you stop believing democracy?

How is what I'm saying denying you your democratic right to speak your mind(though in most countries this also has limitations). As far as I'm concerned you can say whatever you like, but whatever you say is open to criticism. This is freedom of speech, and what you said was rediculous. You are crediting Singapore's peace to Malaysia and Indonesia being "good neighbours". You don't see that this is a stupid statement, you are crediting Malaysia and Indonesia for something they have nothing to do with. Besides, if you ask most Singaporeans, I doubt they would classify Malaysia and Malaysians as being "good neighbours". Singaporeans are often targeted by criminals and corrupted police, simply because they are Singaporeans. I doubt Mahathir is popular in Singapore either, forget the issues regarding sand and water? You still think Malaysia has been such a "good neighbour"?
Betong
QUOTE(swingdoctor @ Jan 8 2009, 04:47 PM) [snapback]4077294[/snapback]
How is what I'm saying denying you your democratic right to speak your mind(though in most countries this also has limitations). As far as I'm concerned you can say whatever you like, but whatever you say is open to criticism. This is freedom of speech, and what you said was rediculous. You are crediting Singapore's peace to Malaysia and Indonesia being "good neighbours". You don't see that this is a stupid statement, you are crediting Malaysia and Indonesia for something they have nothing to do with. Besides, if you ask most Singaporeans, I doubt they would classify Malaysia and Malaysians as being "good neighbours". Singaporeans are often targeted by criminals and corrupted police, simply because they are Singaporeans. I doubt Mahathir is popular in Singapore either, forget the issues regarding sand and water? You still think Malaysia has been such a "good neighbour"?

Yeah I'm open to criticism and I'm will defend your right to say whatever you want to say even if I might didn't agree with that view. But certainly I will never your statement as stupid. C'mon doc, stop being such as whining @$$. You becoming more LKY these day.

BTW could you pls show evidence that Singaporeans was "mishandling" by our police ? Never heard such a thing. All I see, every weekend Singaporeans freely roaming in Malaysia in their car and behaving like drunken driver.

I'm still not forgetting about sand and water. Is it wrong in our behalf that we want to protect our environment from greedy sand contractor whose working for Singapore govt. We all know that at least 2-3 island in Indonesia is inhabited because most of the sand was shipped to Singapore. And I don't want to talk about water since that is not Singapore concern what we want to do with our resources. All I know that Singapore govt committed in their program to convert urine to "New Water" so they didn't have to buy water from Malaysia anymore.

So, I still thinking that Malaysia and Indonesia was VERY good neighbors in dealing with little red dot country name Singapore. madcool.gif



mrdata0101
QUOTE(vienti @ Jan 5 2009, 07:01 AM) [snapback]4073102[/snapback]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...ry_expenditures

singapore expenses 7billion dollars of year military defense expenditure exceed.
so huge spend in singapore military expenditures.

if cambodia or vietnam 1/10 size of singapore's country is military reinforces need even.
but, size of singapore's country is so so small.

it is that there is no meaning even that singapore reinforces military strength.
if malaysia shoot 10 minutes for singapore to malaysia MLRS and HP 50 , all singapore get annihilated .
becoz, country is so small and narrow , dont avail entirely even that pay much singapore military defense expenditure.

it is no any meaning and no necessity that singapore spends so much money in singapore military defense expenditure.
i think that was not profitable in singapore to spend so much money by singapore military expenditure.


When you surrounded by bigger nations you must beef up the defense, it's common sense.
swingdoctor
QUOTE(Betong @ Jan 8 2009, 06:25 PM) [snapback]4077438[/snapback]
Yeah I'm open to criticism and I'm will defend your right to say whatever you want to say even if I might didn't agree with that view. But certainly I will never your statement as stupid. C'mon doc, stop being such as whining @$$. You becoming more LKY these day.

BTW could you pls show evidence that Singaporeans was "mishandling" by our police ? Never heard such a thing. All I see, every weekend Singaporeans freely roaming in Malaysia in their car and behaving like drunken driver.

I'm still not forgetting about sand and water. Is it wrong in our behalf that we want to protect our environment from greedy sand contractor whose working for Singapore govt. We all know that at least 2-3 island in Indonesia is inhabited because most of the sand was shipped to Singapore. And I don't want to talk about water since that is not Singapore concern what we want to do with our resources. All I know that Singapore govt committed in their program to convert urine to "New Water" so they didn't have to buy water from Malaysia anymore.

So, I still thinking that Malaysia and Indonesia was VERY good neighbors in dealing with little red dot country name Singapore. madcool.gif

Would you say that peace and prosperity in Malaysia is due to Singapore being a good neighbour? You wouldn't would you. Your sense of patriotism has blinded you to Malaysia's actual contribution to Singapore's peace and prosperity.

Ask any Singaporean what they think of Malaysian police.

I'll give you an example, my Singaporean aunt was in a traffic jam in JB, in her Singapore car. She was directed down a one way street by a police officer, at the end of the one way street was another police officer waiting to saman her for driving in the wrong direction. Obviously since his daughter was getting married that weekend, when she gave him a "donation" for her wedding, she was let off with a warning.

Whenever my uncle drives in Malaysia in his Singapore car, he is more likely to get saman for whatever reason then when he drives his brothers Malaysian car. Furthermore, driving his Singapore car, he has to pay his "donation" in Sing dollars, while in the Malaysian car in the rare event he is pulled over, he pays in Malaysian ringgit.

Also what has exporting sand got to do with enviromental factors in Malaysia. Was an enviromental impact statement done before the decision was made to stop the export of sand. If the mining of sand destroys the environment, shouldn't the govnt regulate the mining of it irrespective of where it is going? Are you trying to say that the irresponsible mining of sand for local use is less damaging to the environment then if the mining was for export?


WRT water, yes, Malaysia has the right to do whatever it wants with its natural resources but if Malaysia were to stop the export of water, when they clearly have enough for both Malaysia and Singapore, then its not realy a neighbourly thing to do is it?
patchrag
QUOTE(Betong @ Jan 8 2009, 05:37 AM) [snapback]4076859[/snapback]
You are wrong. 40 years of peace was because Singapore was surround by peaceful neighbors.

Singapore should thanks both Malaysia and Indonesia for being such good neighbors even if both of this country dislike her.


hahaha, peaceful neighbors?? you guys are truly masters of self-delusion laugh.gif plus rediculously backward. Sadly, brute power is the surest way that makes you behave.
Betong
QUOTE(patchrag @ Jan 9 2009, 11:57 AM) [snapback]4078469[/snapback]
hahaha, peaceful neighbors?? you guys are truly masters of self-delusion laugh.gif plus rediculously backward. Sadly, brute power is the surest way that makes you behave.

Are you Singaporean btw? Or just some dude in front of computer comment about something he not so sure about. Pls travel to both Singapore neighbors country before make any stupid comment.

Both Malaysia and Indonesia was very good neighbors, patchboy.
Majapahitans
Singapore adopt this dude defense systems:



"Don't eat me or you'll be sorry, I'm small but not completely helpless, I'm poisonous."
Stockin up military power to "advertise" its "poison": its power of destruction.



However I want to share my POV about the neighbour. In this case, Indonesian position on this issue.
Singapore's neighbours isn't aggressive warmongering invader like just say.., Iraq under Saddam that invade petite Kuwait back in Gulf War.
However, Singapore also understand that their size is totally unfavourable for national survival, Singapore is in risk of complete annihilation if the fullscale war ever happened upon them. To avoid this Singapore have interest in Malaysian or Indonesian politics, economic development, and peace.

The more peaceful the neigbours, the more they can maintain their political stability, having good and fruitful relationship with Singapore..., the less likely the neighbours want to risk it all just to invade Singapore. Soo the domestic peace and economic development of Malaysia and Indonesia play some kind of "contribution" to minimalizing the risk of being invade by them.

Lets play the "what if" scenario, If Indonesia being ruled by a militaristic warmongering dictator, people being suffer under economic hardship and supression, freedom of speech and liberty is at stake. In politic strategy, the frustation and anger of the massive people can be chanelled outward, to create a "foreign" enemy. That's why after the hardship of French revolution, France under Napoleon can be very aggressive and warlike towards other European countries. The same case also happened to Germany after their defeat and humiliation in WWI, in WWII Germany strikes back and Hitler rise to power. That's what I meant of soo called Malaysian and Indonesian "contribution" for Singapore peace and security. By tidying their own backyard, getting prosperous and established a democratic and politics stability themself..., the less likely the neighbour eyed and desired what their small but wealthy neighbour have.
Betong
^ Nice picture BTW...
swingdoctor
QUOTE(Majapahitans @ Jan 10 2009, 09:47 AM) [snapback]4079651[/snapback]
Singapore adopt this dude defense systems:



"Don't eat me or you'll be sorry, I'm small but not completely helpless, I'm poisonous."
Stockin up military power to "advertise" its "poison": its power of destruction.
However I want to share my POV about the neighbour. In this case, Indonesian position on this issue.
Singapore's neighbours isn't aggressive warmongering invader like just say.., Iraq under Saddam that invade petite Kuwait back in Gulf War.
However, Singapore also understand that their size is totally unfavourable for national survival, Singapore is in risk of complete annihilation if the fullscale war ever happened upon them. To avoid this Singapore have interest in Malaysian or Indonesian politics, economic development, and peace.

The more peaceful the neigbours, the more they can maintain their political stability, having good and fruitful relationship with Singapore..., the less likely the neighbours want to risk it all just to invade Singapore. Soo the domestic peace and economic development of Malaysia and Indonesia play some kind of "contribution" to minimalizing the risk of being invade by them.

Lets play the "what if" scenario, If Indonesia being ruled by a militaristic warmongering dictator, people being suffer under economic hardship and supression, freedom of speech and liberty is at stake. In politic strategy, the frustation and anger of the massive people can be chanelled outward, to create a "foreign" enemy. That's why after the hardship of French revolution, France under Napoleon can be very aggressive and warlike towards other European countries. The same case also happened to Germany after their defeat and humiliation in WWI, in WWII Germany strikes back and Hitler rise to power. That's what I meant of soo called Malaysian and Indonesian "contribution" for Singapore peace and security. By tidying their own backyard, getting prosperous and established a democratic and politics stability themself..., the less likely the neighbour eyed and desired what their small but wealthy neighbour have.

This I agree with.

If Indonesia was "being ruled by a militaristic warmongering dictator", it would destabalise the the entire region including Malaysia, Australia, East Timor and Singapore. But the peace and stability in Singapore today has less to do with Malaysia and Indonesia being "peaceful" towards it and more to do with the work Singaporeans have done and the policies adopted by the Singapore govnt.
Protoculture
QUOTE
hahaha, peaceful neighbors?? you guys are truly masters of self-delusion laugh.gif plus rediculously backward. Sadly, brute power is the surest way that makes you behave.


Do your stupid research, boy.

Malaysia kicked Singapore outta the Federation years back, before you're born, twerp. We sure as hell ain't gonna retake SG by force, what for? We kicked you out in the 1st place.
jrockerz
because they know Kastari escaped. beerchug.gif
AEROFORCE1
Kajek
QUOTE(vienti @ Jan 5 2009, 04:01 AM) [snapback]4073102[/snapback]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count...ry_expenditures

singapore expenses 7billion dollars of year military defense expenditure exceed.
so huge spend in singapore military expenditures.

if cambodia or vietnam 1/10 size of singapore's country is military reinforces need even.
but, size of singapore's country is so so small.

it is that there is no meaning even that singapore reinforces military strength.
if malaysia shoot 10 minutes for singapore to malaysia MLRS and HP 50 , all singapore get annihilated .
becoz, country is so small and narrow , dont avail entirely even that pay much singapore military defense expenditure.

it is no any meaning and no necessity that singapore spends so much money in singapore military defense expenditure.
i think that was not profitable in singapore to spend so much money by singapore military expenditure.



^^^^ONE WORD: CITY STATE!
mkfk1
who would even bother with invading singapore...

A waste of money in my opinion. Is not like You are surrounded by japanese, or Nazi germany, or Russia.
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