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mkfk1
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no it wouldn't be because where my family is from, they are very anti-whaling, so there are thousands of other Japanese people who agree with us.

I had 3 Japanese great- great uncles in the Japanese army during WWII, all 3 were killed in China.
They relived a weird mix of stuff, like the supported the Emperor and they were willing to do what he said, but they also supported America going to war with Japan with they didn't agree with Pearl Harbor.

but then they got mad at America with Hiroshima and Nagasaki, because Hirohito told the Japanese military not to hurt American civilians, but then America turned around and killed thousands of innocents.

then they loved America again after WWII because they rebuilt their hometown.


Just because your family shared such views, does not mean the majority of japan share smiliar views. To the best of my knowledge, the japanese majority still believe going to war with the US is unavoidable due to the US naval blockade. They also support japanese whaling and currently wishs to renormalize their japanese military and reserve the right to wage war. If you disagree with these views, wouldnt it be normal that the moajority of japan would consider your view as unpatriotic. They would probably considered you as not japanese enough to care for Japan's national interest and that you only care for american interest.

How do you face such dilima? You claim to get the best of both world. I disagree. Japan and the US does not have 100% identical interests. There will be issues now, past and future where japan will be at odds if the US. Who will favour in such division? Th japanese or the american? I do not believe you have the best of both world. You avoid such issues by trying to claim that both the japanese and the american have similar interest. In reality, they dont. And if you have to be force to take a side, I believe you wouldnt be able to due to your mixed ethnics. And that, is a major disadvantage that mixed people will never have the guts to admit.


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Are we forgetting that humans aren't the only species on Earth? Come on, compared to other creatures, we are all one family. Let's all be the human race.


We are not one big family. We are all competitors with eachother. Each claiming to be the superior civilization, or superior religions, or superior race. This conflicts of tryng to dominate the gobal order will always continued.

Look no further then current event of Gaza, russian gas, and the wars in iraq, afgcanistan. We are not civilzed enough to say: you have your values, I have mind, now l will lived the way i want, and you will do the same without interfierring with eachother.


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I would say a responsible individual would not be silent. They would take into account both sides and make a non bias choice based on what really matters: what is right. Not what country I support just because I'm from that country.


Most people support their country over morals.

1)Israeli support bombing Gaza even thought they knew it is morally wrong.
2)Chinese support holding tibets, even thought they knew they deserve more autonomy
3)American support going to war in iraq, afgcanistan, and perhaps even Iran in the future... even thought they knew the civilian form those counties are innocent and are dying for american interests
4)The japanese support invasion of Asia during WW2, even thought they need such an invasion is unmoral and will cause major resistances from the locals.
5)The nazi, the red army, the romans, the persian, the ancient greeks, the Mongolian, the british, the spanish, the French, the ottomen, the ....


See what I mean?
HapaGirl
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 03:25 PM) [snapback]4093527[/snapback]
Just because your family shared such views, does not mean the majority of japan share smiliar views. To the best of my knowledge, the japanese majority still believe going to war with the US is unavoidable due to the US naval blockade. They also support japanese whaling and currently wishs to renormalize their japanese military and reserve the right to wage war. If you disagree with these views, wouldnt it be normal that the moajority of japan would consider your view as unpatriotic. They would probably considered you as not japanese enough to care for Japan's national interest and that you only care for american interest.

How do you face such dilima? You claim to get the best of both world. I disagree. Japan and the US does not have 100% identical interests. There will be issues now, past and future where japan will be at odds if the US. Who will favour in such division? Th japanese or the american? I do not believe you have the best of both world. You avoid such issues by trying to claim that both the japanese and the american have similar interest. In reality, they dont. And if you have to be force to take a side, I believe you wouldnt be able to due to your mixed ethnics. And that, is a major disadvantage that mixed people will never have the guts to admit.


you don't know what you're talking about.

you can't talk for me, you aren't me.
you aren't mixed race, so you can't talk for any of us.

you can believe what you want, but until you're bi racial, you won't understand.
mikekk86
QUOTE(Adee @ Jan 20 2009, 03:21 PM) [snapback]4093520[/snapback]
So do you guys get the best or the worst of both worlds? genius.gif

I would say, as a mixed individual, you get both. In your decisions, you remain unbiased. You don't just see a country but you see the decision. You choose based on what is right, not because it will promote your country. In this sense, I am glad and proud to be mixed. We are not as easily accepted by either group. Is this bad? I personally don't really mind. I'm mixed. I'm my own thing. I respect both sides to my ethnicity. It's up to them to respect me. I shun down on those who only hang out with their ethnicity and easily accept people as friends just because they are the same ethnicity. It is a shallow meaningless way to make friends or accept people. When I make friends, it is because they are friend-worthy. It has nothing to do with how much culture I can relate to them. This is one reason why my group of friends are all very diverse.

QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 03:25 PM) [snapback]4093527[/snapback]
Most people support their country over morals.

1)Israeli support bombing Gaza even thought they knew it is morally wrong.
2)Chinese support holding tibets, even thought they knew they deserve more autonomy
3)American support going to war in iraq, afgcanistan, and perhaps even Iran in the future... even thought they knew the civilian form those counties are innocent and are dying for american interests
4)The japanese support invasion of Asia during WW2, even thought they need such an invasion is unmoral and will cause major resistances from the locals.
5)The nazi, the red army, the romans, the persian, the ancient greeks, the Mongolian, the british, the spanish, the French, the ottomen, the ....
See what I mean?

Most people do not think as an individual but as a colony. They don't have their own mind or opinion. They just do whatever will promote what their country and their government wants. To me, this is a sad state of mind and being. Who will stand up for what is right if people only agree to whatever the county's government says? During the presidential nominations and such in the states, some were accused as not patriotic for questioning what America was doing in war and such. It's not non patriotic, it being a true individual looking to improve a country, even if the current government is doing something else. That is true patriotism. Not blind mindless colony following.
mkfk1
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you don't know what you're talking about.

you can't talk for me, you aren't me.
you aren't mixed race, so you can't talk for any of us.

you can believe what you want, but until you're bi racial, you won't understand.


And you wouldnt be able to pick a side when the occasion comes along. You try too hard to be the best of both world.
I have no interest of being bi racial. And I am glad that I am pure blood. At the very least, I know where my loyaty lies. Where is yours?

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Most people do not think as an individual but as a colony. They don't have their own mind or opinion. They just do whatever will promote what their country and their government wants. To me, this is a sad state of mind and being. Who will stand up for what is right if people only agree to whatever the county's government says? During the presidential nominations and such in the states, some were accused as not patriotic for questioning what America was doing in war and such. It's not non patriotic, it being a true individual looking to improve a country, even if the current government is doing something else. That is true patriotism. Not blind mindless colony following.


The state of the empire is much more important then an opinion from one individual. From what I know, the Bush administration have an approval rating of less then 30%. This doesnt mean the american people are unpatriotic. It means the government refuse to listen to the people. This is different from the japanese opinion on WW2 which they majority consider to be a great east asian war. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but the majority of the japanese people does support the government at that time.

This is the problem that I find with mixed people. Your kind keep promoting individualism. Well, how are u going to deal with massive individuals who support for a government to do bad things due to national interest? E.G. israeli support the bombing of Gaza. How do u deal with that? I will tell you.... that is call unity via the state. They all believe in the national interest of israel, because they are all israeli. As a mixed, would you understand this concept? Would you understand that if u are a pure blood israeli, most likely you would willingly support israel not because of morals, but because of national interests? If you are pure blood japanese, you would try to sugar coat WW2 to better the image of japan even thou u know this is wrong? You ciritized america war with iraq, but do u question american support to saudi arabi??? Not many people die in saudi arb, but they sure as hell would like to train terroists to be anti-israel and anti-americanl. But wait, american dont care as long as american interest in saudi oil is secure. You see what I mean. National interest is something that mixed blood will have differculty understanding.
HapaGirl
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 03:54 PM) [snapback]4093557[/snapback]
And you wouldnt be able to pick a side when the occasion comes along. You try too hard to be the best of both world.
I have no interest of being bi racial. And I am glad that I am pure blood. At the very least, I know where my loyaty lies. Where is yours?



you're very arrogant, too.
It sounds like you think I'm "inferior" to you.

I don't have to pick, no one does.
I'm American, I was born here, I was raised here, and most likely I'll die here.
But just because I'm American doesn't mean I have to agree with everything
And just because I'm Japanese doesn't mean I have to believe everything they believe, too.


Takashi
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 07:47 PM) [snapback]4093481[/snapback]
I agree and disagree. Parenting is important, but the environment also play an extreme role in mixed family. If the mixed parents want their family to be americanized, but they lived in Japan...then their mixed kids will be heavily influenced by japanese culture just due to the fact that there are not many american products or american to influenced the mixed child. Vise versa, a mixed family living in brazail will be heavly influence by the spanish latino community no matter how asian tradiction your parents are.

I don't disagree with that, I just think it's exactly the same for the non-mixed kids. The only difference is your parents are more likely to consider asian culture important if you're full than if you're not.
mikekk86
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 03:54 PM) [snapback]4093557[/snapback]
I am not saying it is right or wrong, but the majority of the japanese people does support the government at that time.

I heard the majority of the Japanese public didn't really know what was going on during the war. Propaganda, keeping certain details out of communication with the public, ect.




QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 03:54 PM) [snapback]4093557[/snapback]
This is the problem that I find with mixed people.

Lol, mixed people are not inherently born with a problem. You generalize too much.



QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 03:54 PM) [snapback]4093557[/snapback]
Well, how are u going to deal with massive individuals who support for a government to do bad things due to national interest?

Protest.


QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 03:54 PM) [snapback]4093557[/snapback]
Would you understand that if u are a pure blood israeli, most likely you would willingly support israel not because of morals, but because of national interests? If you are pure blood japanese, you would try to sugar coat WW2 to better the image of japan even thou u know this is wrong? You ciritized america war with iraq, but do u question american support to saudi arabi??? Not many people die in saudi arb, but they sure as hell would like to train terroists to be anti-israel and anti-americanl. But wait, american dont care as long as american interest in saudi oil is secure. You see what I mean. National interest is something that mixed blood will have differculty understanding.

You make mixed people sound like a political group or something. Anyone with a mind of their own should support what is right---BECAUSE it is right. You seem to promote doing whatever a country wants, because that is where your loyalty should go. Loyalty should go to ideas, not people or countries.


QUOTE(HapaGirl @ Jan 20 2009, 03:59 PM) [snapback]4093563[/snapback]
you're very arrogant, too.
It sounds like you think I'm "inferior" to you.

I don't have to pick, no one does.
I'm American, I was born here, I was raised here, and most likely I'll die here.
But just because I'm American doesn't mean I have to agree with everything
And just because I'm Japanese doesn't mean I have to believe everything they believe, too.

He does seem to have a "Pure blood is better than mixed blood" mentality. This is also the same mentality for racism.
HapaGirl
QUOTE(mikekk86 @ Jan 20 2009, 04:19 PM) [snapback]4093607[/snapback]
I heard the majority of the Japanese public didn't really know what was going on during the war. Propaganda, keeping certain details out of communication with the public, ect.


that's exactly it!
My uncles thought they were fighting to protect their families, that's why they were okay with invading China.
all they heard was propaganda.
mkfk1
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you're very arrogant, too.
It sounds like you think I'm "inferior" to you.

I don't have to pick, no one does.
I'm American, I was born here, I was raised here, and most likely I'll die here.
But just because I'm American doesn't mean I have to agree with everything
And just because I'm Japanese doesn't mean I have to believe everything they believe, too.


You are not inferior. You have to make decisions to choose side. Interests vs moral. I and other pure blood have a much more easier time choosing side because I do not have 2 heritages which may conflict one another. Read my earlier post.

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Lol, mixed people are not inherently born with a problem. You generalize too much.


They are not born with medical problems. They are born with 2 different heritage that may conflict with eachother during his or her life time.

Can you image how hard it must have been for a chinese-japanese mixed living during WW2?

Can you imagine how hard it must have been for a German-french mixed at the same period?

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Protest.


A minority protest vs a majority government support is unaffective.

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You make mixed people sound like a political group or something. Anyone with a mind of their own should support what is right---BECAUSE it is right. You seem to promote doing whatever a country wants, because that is where your loyalty should go. Loyalty should go to ideas, not people or countries.


You are wrong. As I have said repeatedly, people does not have to do whats right. This is not kindergarden where you are taught to be nice and all. This is real life. As human beings, we do whats benefitials for ourself, and our states. I can do bad things for my country if it benefit my state. I can support my state do bad things if it benefit national interest. I am not the only one. My point in this whole rant is that mixed people will have diffculty choosing sides. Therefore, you claim that people should do what is right. Well here is a reality check, people dont do what is right. People do what is benefitical. And pure blood have no problems siding with their states even when its doing bad things to another country. Would a white-japanese mixed have no problems with america nuking japan in WW2? Would a white-japanese mixed have no problems with japan attacking peral habour? You see the dilma?


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that's exactly it!
My uncles thought they were fighting to protect their families, that's why they were okay with invading China.
all they heard was propaganda.


If your uncle believe that attacking China = protecting his family, then your uncle must be very retarded. But then again, some american believes that attacking iraq to protect their own families... What do you know...history does repeat itself.
HapaGirl
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 04:52 PM) [snapback]4093652[/snapback]
If your uncle believe that attacking China = protecting his family, then your uncle must be very retarded. But then again, some american believes that attacking iraq to protect their own families... What do you know...history does repeat itself.


how dare you say that about my uncle!! he was a very brave man!! You obviously have no respect for the dead!!

its called propaganda, brainwashing!!
the generals told them that china had done something to the Japanese first.
they didn't have tv, internet, etc. back then, remember?!!

WhiteandBlue
Why can't we live in peace as the white ethnicities of the USA do?
mikekk86
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 04:52 PM) [snapback]4093652[/snapback]
My point in this whole rant is that mixed people will have diffculty choosing sides. Therefore, you claim that people should do what is right. Well here is a reality check, people dont do what is right. People do what is benefitical. And pure blood have no problems siding with their states even when its doing bad things to another country.

It comes down to you choosing to do what is beneficial to you even if you know it's wrong and me doing what is right because it is right.


QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 04:52 PM) [snapback]4093652[/snapback]
Would a white-japanese mixed have no problems with america nuking japan in WW2? Would a white-japanese mixed have no problems with japan attacking peral habour? You see the dilma?

Yes, there is a problem with nuking a city, no matter what color you are. Especially when you nuke two cities with two different bombs on a country that has already lost. And yes, it was wrong to attack Pearl Harbor as it did little and only put Japan into a losing war.

The people of Germany, for example, were not stupid for believing in Hitler. They were feed lies, propaganda and lived in fear and hope. It was the INDIVIDUALS who stood up and tried to get Hitler out of power. In your logic, they ALL should have just went along with Hitler because the reality is they are all stupid who should have their loyalty to the country.

mkfk1
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how dare you say that about my uncle!! he was a very brave man!! You obviously have no respect for the dead!!

its called propaganda, brainwashing!!
the generals told them that china had done something to the Japanese first.
they didn't have tv, internet, etc. back then, remember?!!


Oh your uncle is brave all right. Also very stupid ^^.

So let me get this right, the generals told them China done something bad to Japan. Is that why japanese ended up invading korea, vietnam, laos, cambodia, myr, indonesia, singapore, HK, ...etc etc

Lets be honest honey. I dont think your uncle is that stupid. I dont think your uncle is that rightous either. I think, he knew to a certain extend, that this "great east asian war" would benefit the japanese empire. Which is why japanese soilders will give their lives for their empiror to invade and expand japan influences. China is just one of the many targets on the japanese hit lists. And on that list, apprently USA is on it too.

Your uncle, is willing to die for japanese interest. Will you? Oh wait...I forgot...You are an american, with mixed japanese blood.

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Yes, there is a problem with nuking a city, no matter what color you are. Especially when you nuke two cities with two different bombs on a country that has already lost. And yes, it was wrong to attack Pearl Harbor as it did little and only put Japan into a losing war.

The people of Germany, for example, were not stupid for believing in Hitler. They were feed lies, propaganda and lived in fear and hope. It was the INDIVIDUALS who stood up and tried to get Hitler out of power. In your logic, they ALL should have just went along with Hitler because the reality is they are all stupid who should have their loyalty to the country.


You did not explain the dilma a white-japanese mixed would have at that time. He or she would have been torn over which side he or she should pick or support.
HapaGirl
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 05:23 PM) [snapback]4093680[/snapback]
Oh your uncle is brave all right. Also very stupid ^^.

So let me get this right, the generals told them China done something bad to Japan. Is that why japanese ended up invading korea, vietnam, laos, cambodia, myr, indonesia, singapore, HK, ...etc etc

Lets be honest honey. I dont think your uncle is that stupid. I dont think your uncle is that rightous either. I think, he knew to a certain extend, that this "great east asian war" would benefit the japanese empire. Which is why japanese soilders will give their lives for their empiror to invade and expand japan influences. China is just one of the many targets on the japanese hit lists. And on that list, apprently USA is on it too.

Your uncle, is willing to die for japanese interest. Will you? Oh wait...I forgot...You are an american, with mixed japanese blood.



you need to stop.
he was killed within the first few months of the invasion of china.
BEFORE everyone figured out what was going on.


you don't know what you're talking about.


my race has nothing to do with this.
im not saying what he did was right, it was wrong to invade those countries, but when you don't have all the facts (many didn't) then it seems justified, even thought it isn't.
mkfk1
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my race has nothing to do with this.
im not saying what he did was right, it was wrong to invade those countries, but when you don't have all the facts (many didn't) then it seems justified, even thought it isn't.


So your race have nothing to do with it, but the invasion is wrong... Yet it is your race that supply the men power to invade this countries. No offence.... but your comment doesnt seem to make sense.

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he was killed within the first few months of the invasion of china.
BEFORE everyone figured out what was going on.


The rest of the japanese army did not bother to stop when they realize the japanese grand plan was to invade more countries. How do u explain that? More properganda I suppose? All those countries want to do something bad to Japan I suppose?

I dont know man.... I dont think everyone in Japan would buy it. I dont think Japanese army march on the believes that their country was the victim. I believe they march on the believe that this war will benefit japan. And I believe that a mixed japanese-american would have a lot of problem trying to cope with this idea, espcially after the attack on peral habour.
HapaGirl
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 05:46 PM) [snapback]4093720[/snapback]
So your race have nothing to do with it, but the invasion is wrong... Yet it is your race that supply the men power to invade this countries. No offence.... but your comment doesnt seem to make sense.


i am not my ancestors.
you need to get that through your head.
we aren't the same people now as then.
so yes, my comment does make sense.

QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 05:46 PM) [snapback]4093720[/snapback]
The rest of the japanese army did not bother to stop when they realize the japanese grand plan was to invade more countries. How do u explain that? More properganda I suppose? All those countries want to do something bad to Japan I suppose?


I dont know man.... I dont think everyone in Japan would buy it. I dont think Japanese army march on the believes that their country was the victim. I believe they march on the believe that this war will benefit japan. And I believe that a mixed japanese-american would have a lot of problem trying to cope with this idea, espcially after the attack on peral habour.



you still aren't getting it.
my 3 uncles were not "the rest of the Japanese army".
they were just 3 people who were misinformed.

im am an american.
if i was alive back then, i would be in an internment camp somewhere, but i would still be american first, japanese second.

in fact i did have a few japanese relatives living in america who did join the US army and fought against Japan...
mikekk86
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 05:23 PM) [snapback]4093680[/snapback]
You did not explain the dilma a white-japanese mixed would have at that time. He or she would have been torn over which side he or she should pick or support.

"Yes, there is a problem with nuking a city, no matter what color you are. Especially when you nuke two cities with two different bombs on a country that has already lost. And yes, it was wrong to attack Pearl Harbor as it did little and only put Japan into a losing war."

There is no dilemma because I will side with what is right, not with my race or ethnicity or country if it's wrong. Things will be rationalized based on what is better or morale. Not rationalized based on who's calling the shots.

"They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." ---Gerald Massey
AgentBach
QUOTE(URSoCOO2008 @ Jan 20 2009, 12:09 PM) [snapback]4093269[/snapback]
You're wrong, it's most likely ruined by the "Asian" nose.

Yeah sure, because who ever said black people have wide monkey noses right? I'm sure that's uncommon knowledge. Even if an Asian has a wide nose, blacks will always be 100xs worse. If Asians looked worse then blacks then black women wouldn't have the whole issue of why they are undesirable.
Yer
I don't care about bi-racials.
They can mix or "purify" themselves however they want. Just as long as they don't claim to be better than non-mixed, they're fine by me.
Disco Gestapo
Mixed kids can end up any which way, it depends entirely on how they're raised. They can end up whitewashed, sure...but they can also end up Asianwashed...There's no absolute to how a mixed kid will identify racially. The people who say that they see a lot of whitewashed halfies...they probably live in America. And you know what? In America there are a lot of whitewashed full Asians too. eek.gif icon_rolleyes.gif Get a fu-king clue. Talktohand.gif
mkfk1
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There is no dilemma because I will side with what is right, not with my race or ethnicity or country if it's wrong. Things will be rationalized based on what is better or morale. Not rationalized based on who's calling the shots.



Then that is your weakness. Not able to define your idenity, therefore leading to cliaming what is right or what is wrong. You will be bashing both side of your countries of origin all your life. And as a result, you will be acusse of unpatrotic toward the national interest of your orgin. Ultimately, your idenitiy as a mixed will no longer be regonize by some of the pure blood by which you have offended by not showing loyalty to you heritage.

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you still aren't getting it.
my 3 uncles were not "the rest of the Japanese army".
they were just 3 people who were misinformed.

im am an american.
if i was alive back then, i would be in an internment camp somewhere, but i would still be american first, japanese second.

in fact i did have a few japanese relatives living in america who did join the US army and fought against Japan...


I am not ciritizing your uncles anymore, I am critizing the entire japanese army for fighting WW2 with desire for national interests. Not just pure properganda of up playing japanese as a victim.


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but i would still be american first, japanese second.


GOOD. So you finally shows us which priority you have. You are first as an american, then you will be 2nd as a japanese. Therefore, if you were alive during WW2, you would have sided with america, not japan. Guess what, this is not neutral, and this is not getting the best of both world. In such a situation, japanese nationalist would have brand you as mixed blood tradtor. Your half identiy as japanese, will not be regonize by the people of japan.

And this, has been my point ALL ALONG. No mixed... can truly get the best of both world. You do not have such advantage as you think you had. This mixed heritage and mixed ethnic give you the disadvantage of choosing side. Therefore under critical situation such as WW2, you will most likely have to choose your side. Which mean by morals and national pride, you are no longer a mixed. You...Are..an...american... First...and formost... Then if nothing conflict with this identity, you shall be a japanese as second.

Mixed, do not have the best of both world. You can not balanced the 2 different national interests. You cannot balanced the 2 different identities. And no offence, but I do not believe the japanese diet would let a mixed blood to ever reach the position as japanese PM or japanese ruling administration.
ClearBlueWater
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 06:43 PM) [snapback]4093801[/snapback]
Mixed, do not have the best of both world. You can not balanced the 2 different national interests. You cannot balanced the 2 different identities.

You don't have to balance between two identities. You form your own with influence from both. Not balance. Fusion. Balance implies that they remain separate and exclusive.
WhiteandBlue
I am not mixed. I am a PURE-BRED human.
AnAmericanInAsia
QUOTE(Jinata @ Jan 20 2009, 01:39 AM) [snapback]4092572[/snapback]
Are you disgusted by the idea? - I woke up at 4AM in the morning, and I found myself to be pretty bored; so I had a rummage through the stormfront.org forum that Cloudyski mentioned somewhere on the forum. Being mixed myself (Half White.. English, not American, and Half Filipino.. Pangasinan Area), I was curious to know what these people think of someone such as myself.

Clearly they don't like the idea of racial inter-breeding, and that I'm the product of those who are committing racial genocide.. Heh. Making claims that white are a pure race (Which makes me wonder) and that white women are the most attractive kind "by miles". I'm not sure whether to try to understand these people or just put it down to plain ignorance. I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to topics such as these, so I'm just curious to know what you think of this kind of thing.

Discuss.


Mixed race offspring are fine by me. Mixed Asian-White children have a reputation for being very good looking, and almost everyone I know who is Asian-White mixed backs that theory up.

I don't think there's any use trying to understand the people at stormfront.org
They are racists pure and simple, and they are so tightly withdrawn into their hole that they will never see the light of day. I pity them their ignorance.
mikekk86
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 06:43 PM) [snapback]4093801[/snapback]
Then that is your weakness. Not able to define your idenity, therefore leading to cliaming what is right or what is wrong. You will be bashing both side of your countries of origin all your life. And as a result, you will be acusse of unpatrotic toward the national interest of your orgin. Ultimately, your idenitiy as a mixed will no longer be regonize by some of the pure blood by which you have offended by not showing loyalty to you heritage.

I hold precedence of what is right or wrong before anything. If a country is doing something wrong, I'll let them know. I won't just follow along with it. If my parents went on a killing spree, I would not side with my murderous parents or try to justify their rampage. And I said earlier, I do not care whether or not either my my ethnicity's 'accept' me because I AM different. I am a new thing. You make it seem like people need to follow someone. I only follow the idea of what is right or wrong. I have no care whether or not people in China or Japan don't want to accept me. Accept me as what? As them? I'm not them. I don't seek acceptance in that way. Like I said, I choose my friends based on the values of what it means to be a friend. I don't look at race, color, or country.

"They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." ---Gerald Massey
mkfk1
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You don't have to balance between two identities. You form your own with influence from both. Not balance. Fusion. Balance implies that they remain separate and exclusive.


Oh really. And how do u fuse 2 culture? Watch prison break in japanese? Go to church and burn incenses? Go to a confession buy tell the preistist that you are worry about your next reincarination? Eat susi with a fork? Make pasta with teriyaki souce? Jerk off to hentai with english dub? oh wait...there are some hentai with english dub...nevermind that one lol

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I hold precedence of what is right or wrong before anything. If a country is doing something wrong, I'll let them know. I won't just follow along with it. If my parents went on a killing spree, I would not side with my murderous parents or try to justify their rampage. And I said earlier, I do not care whether or not either my my ethnicity's 'accept' me because I AM different. I am a new thing. You make it seem like people need to follow someone. I only follow the idea of what is right or wrong. I have no care whether or not people in China or Japan don't want to accept me. Accept me as what? As them? I'm not them. I don't seek acceptance in that way. Like I said, I choose my friends based on the values of what it means to be a friend. I don't look at race, color, or country.


Then you wont have a race, or national idenity to lied on. Not there is anything wrong with that. But you will never have a true national identity which you will die fall or pround of.
HapaGirl
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 06:43 PM) [snapback]4093801[/snapback]
I am not ciritizing your uncles anymore, I am critizing the entire japanese army for fighting WW2 with desire for national interests. Not just pure properganda of up playing japanese as a victim.



you should of said that.
you went from criticizing my uncles straight to criticizing the entire army without saying you were...

QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 06:43 PM) [snapback]4093801[/snapback]
GOOD. So you finally shows us which priority you have. You are first as an american, then you will be 2nd as a japanese. Therefore, if you were alive during WW2, you would have sided with america, not japan. Guess what, this is not neutral, and this is not getting the best of both world. In such a situation, japanese nationalist would have brand you as mixed blood tradtor. Your half identiy as japanese, will not be regonize by the people of japan.

And this, has been my point ALL ALONG. No mixed... can truly get the best of both world. You do not have such advantage as you think you had. This mixed heritage and mixed ethnic give you the disadvantage of choosing side. Therefore under critical situation such as WW2, you will most likely have to choose your side. Which mean by morals and national pride, you are no longer a mixed. You...Are..an...american... First...and formost...


yes, i would sided with america, but it still doesnt mean i would of supported everything.
i still wouldn't of supported bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or japanese internment.

you were very rude on how you were saying things, insulting people like you were just made everybody mad.

yes i still am mixed.
I'm 100% American, but I'm still Japanese, German, British, and Cherokee.
I'm everything.

we were talking about race, you were talking about nationality...
mkfk1
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yes, i would sided with america, but it still doesnt mean i would of supported everything.
i still wouldn't of supported bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or japanese internment.

you were very rude on how you were saying things, insulting people like you were just made everybody mad.

yes i still am mixed.
I'm 100% American, but I'm still Japanese, German, British, and Cherokee.
I'm everything.

we were talking about race, you were talking about nationality...


You are a mixed race. I cant give u an identity of a singel race. I am pointing out that as a mixed race, u cant have loyalty to 2 different nationality... But i expand it further by saying the heritage, and national interests.

Since you identifly yourself with priority to america, then it is natural that the japanese people will regard you lightly then a japanese national who will make scafice for Japan. You see what I mean about not being able to have the best of 2 worlds??? You cant satasfied the natioanl interests of 2 seperate nations, because no 2 nations in history have identicle interests through out time. If 2 nations have identicle interests, then they are not 2 different nations but 2 different provinces of the same nations. (I.E. north and south korea, west bank and gaza, west and east germany)... You may know the culture of the 2 race, but by no means were u or anyone capable of balancing the 2 nationalities.


I will respect you as someone who have great understanding of 2 different cultures (maybe more as you life goes on), but I will never acknowledge you as someone with the "best of both worlds". You cant. You cant have loyalty to 2 different worlds at once.
HapaGirl
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 07:25 PM) [snapback]4093888[/snapback]
I will respect you as someone who have great understanding of 2 different cultures (maybe more as you life goes on), but I will never acknowledge you as someone with the "best of both worlds". You cant. You cant have loyalty to 2 different worlds at once.


we weren't even talking about being loyal to your country, only you were. we were talking about the cultures, languages, etc..
ClearBlueWater
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 07:12 PM) [snapback]4093863[/snapback]
Oh really. And how do u fuse 2 culture? Watch prison break in japanese? Go to church and burn incenses? Go to a confession buy tell the preistist that you are worry about your next reincarination? Eat susi with a fork? Make pasta with teriyaki souce? Jerk off to hentai with english dub? oh wait...there are some hentai with english dub...nevermind that one lol
Then you wont have a race, or national idenity to lied on. Not there is anything wrong with that. But you will never have a true national identity which you will die fall or pround of.


Your national identity is nothing more than the conditional location of your mother's vagina at the time of your birth.

There's a book called Living in Spanglish by Ed Morales. Check it out. If that's too much, just try Dora the Explorer or Ni Hao Kai-Lan.
mkfk1
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Your national identity is nothing more than the conditional location of your mother's vagina at the time of your birth.


Whats wrong with being loyal to the motherland.

And no, I am talking about your national identity, not your passport.

And please...stop posting links to books... there are so many writers writing the same thing using different words and they all want to get rich by asking people to buy them all. And just because someone write a book doesnt make the writer god send. It is just one of the many opinions in this world. I refuse to read a book and surrender my soul to an aurthor.

PS, not everyone came out of a vagina. there are C-section, and in the future...I am sure there will be real test tube babies ...

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we weren't even talking about being loyal to your country, only you were. we were talking about the cultures, languages, etc..


If you put it this way, then mixed people is not the only one who can have mutiple cultures. Immigrants of 1st generations and onward also have such options.
Mr Laocean
I didn't know I was supposed to have an opinion about someone that is mixed.
ClearBlueWater
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 07:41 PM) [snapback]4093915[/snapback]
I refuse to read a book

This may be part of your problem. Other people's opinions (books) offer perspective. You can't say what a mixed person can or can't do. You can't speak for anyone but yourself. That's all anyone can do.

What is national identity? Loyalty? The only way you can be loyal to a nation is to be loyal to the ideas of the majority of it's peoples. Ideas have nothing to do with race or ethnicity. They are not dependent on each other.

Normally a woman's vagina is in the general vicinity of her uterus.


mkfk1
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This may be part of your problem.


I really love how you quote a few words from my pharagraph.

You should work for Fox news. They can use people like you for twisting future events for israel favours.
ClearBlueWater
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 08:36 PM) [snapback]4094018[/snapback]
I really love how you quote a few words from my pharagraph.

You should work for Fox news. They can use people like you for twisting future events for israel favours.

Your problem is a lack of perspective. The lack of said perspective comes from dismissing any idea that you don't believe to be you own. Reading some books, familiarizing yourself with other's ideas and experiences may not change your mind but it may make it easier for you to understand where other people are coming from.
mkfk1
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Your problem is a lack of perspective. The lack of said perspective comes from dismissing any idea that you don't believe to be you own. Reading some books, familiarizing yourself with other's ideas and experiences may not change your mind but it may make it easier for you to understand where other people are coming from.

Dont just say what my problem is. Support ur claim. Have ur english teacher never teach u how to write an essay?

HapaGirl
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 08:52 PM) [snapback]4094045[/snapback]
Dont just say what my problem is. Support ur claim. Have ur english teacher never teach u how to write an essay?


she's right.
you're wrong.

deal with it.
Spasiangirl
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 07:25 PM) [snapback]4093888[/snapback]
I will respect you as someone who have great understanding of 2 different cultures (maybe more as you life goes on), but I will never acknowledge you as someone with the "best of both worlds". You cant. You cant have loyalty to 2 different worlds at once.


Almost everyone have a great understanding of more than one culture, the possibility of it could expand as well, depending on the individual. And that itself should be respected regardless of the person being mixed or not mixed, and that should also not be the issue. A mixed person can have ''best of both worlds'' whether you like it or not. Obviously, you disagree with it, but those who are Mixed can speak for themselves and they don't need a person that's not Mixed to speak for them. Also, Mixed people speak from experience, and you speak from your experience. You shouldn't speak in such manner since you are not a mixed person yourself.

People come from different mixes, and not necessarily do the two have to conflict the other.
WhiteandBlue
Language is the most important, and mean THE most important aspect of culture. I was born in China, but I take English as my PRIMARY language, and that is my fundamental culture.
mikekk86
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 07:12 PM) [snapback]4093863[/snapback]
Then you wont have a race, or national idenity to lied on. Not there is anything wrong with that. But you will never have a true national identity which you will die fall or pround of.

Um....this isn't a problem as a mixed person. It's just different than you. I have a friend who's mixed almost from every corner of the world. He has no problem having no specific national identity either. True identity? I am who I am. That's the only identity I need. You don't have to be pure of blood to realize this.
WhiteandBlue
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True identity? I am who I am. That's the only identity I need. You don't have to be pure of blood to realize this.


I beg to differ. Everyone psychologically needs to feel belonginess, and that's where RACE comes in. Everyone can say that he / she belongs to the HUMAN RACE for belongingness.
mkfk1
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she's right.
you're wrong.

deal with it.


I deal with noone other then God.

To prove that I am wrong, u need evidence to support your claim.

Simple statment like these means nothing but to show how idnorant you are.

I can "claim" that you a b!tch. But without proof of how exactly you are being a b!tch, then it just end up being a baseless statement that means nothing.

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Almost everyone have a great understanding of more than one culture, the possibility of it could expand as well, depending on the individual. And that itself should be respected regardless of the person being mixed or not mixed, and that should also not be the issue. A mixed person can have ''best of both worlds'' whether you like it or not. Obviously, you disagree with it, but those who are Mixed can speak for themselves and they don't need a person that's not Mixed to speak for them. Also, Mixed people speak from experience, and you speak from your experience. You shouldn't speak in such manner since you are not a mixed person yourself.

People come from different mixes, and not necessarily do the two have to conflict the other.


That depends entirely on the statement "best of both world".

If knowing 2 different culture is enough to be the best of both world, then everyone can have the best of both world, not just mixed.

My arguement with this statment is that my personal definition for this statment means trying to balance two different national interests for the 2 respective races which you are mixed. I also argue that such balancing act is not possible due to conflicting of national interests. Therefore, by the definition of acheive the best of two national interests is not possible.

If we define this statement as the best of 2 cultures...then it is really not classifed only for a mixed person.

I have such a strong sentiment with this statement because mixed people like to use this statment alot to justifed how great their identity is where in reality, MANY other people such as immigrants, oversea students, foregin workers etc can have the best of 2 or more worlds. But yet, mixed people love to use this statements repeatedly as if it is exlcusive to them when in truth, there is nothing special about these mixed people. And yet they try hard to justifed there muti-cultural identity which is not exlusive to them.

Also from personal experiense, mixed people are common to have a superior complex, which is why guys like me love to bash their superior complex right off. And then afterward, they reacted as if I am being racist or something like that. Well excuse me, but if you dare to boast youself in front of a crowded, then you should have prepared to defend yourself against other who love to take down people with superior complexes.

ClearBlueWater
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 09:39 PM) [snapback]4094126[/snapback]
I deal with noone other then God.

To prove that I am wrong, u need evidence to support your claim.

Simple statment like these means nothing but to show how idnorant you are.

I can "claim" that you a b!tch. But without proof of how exactly you are being a b!tch, then it just end up being a baseless statement that means nothing.
That depends entirely on the statement "best of both world".

If knowing 2 different culture is enough to be the best of both world, then everyone can have the best of both world, not just mixed.

My arguement with this statment is that my personal definition for this statment means trying to balance two different national interests for the 2 respective races which you are mixed. I also argue that such balancing act is not possible due to conflicting of national interests. Therefore, by the definition of acheive the best of two national interests is not possible.

If we define this statement as the best of 2 cultures...then it is really not classifed only for a mixed person.

I have such a strong sentiment with this statement because mixed people like to use this statment alot to justifed how great their identity is where in reality, MANY other people such as immigrants, oversea students, foregin workers etc can have the best of 2 or more worlds. But yet, mixed people love to use this statements repeatedly as if it is exlcusive to them when in truth, there is nothing special about these mixed people. And yet they try hard to justifed there muti-cultural identity which is not exlusive to them.

Also from personal experiense, mixed people are common to have a superior complex, which is why guys like me love to bash their superior complex right off. And then afterward, they reacted as if I am being racist or something like that. Well excuse me, but if you dare to boast youself in front of a crowded, then you should have prepared to defend yourself against other who love to take down people with superior complexes.

There is no "conflict of national interest," if you don't give a damn about your domicile one way or the other. I have no more commitment to America living here now than I did when living in Germany. Or in Puerto Rico or in Antigua or in Hong Kong. I love my families and friends but as far as the countries themselves, they can all kiss my toosh. When I'm in Germany, I'm happy to be there. When I'm in America I'm happy to be here. You're placing too much emphasis on location.

It goes without saying is, being mixed, you do get the best of both worlds, but you get the worst of both as well as all the in between. We know this, it's common sense, so there's no need to say it. However, growing up in s dual or multi cultural home does offer some resources that would not otherwise be readily available or easy to obtain. Sure, you can learn as much as you want on your own when you're older, but it's not the same level of comfort and fluidity that comes with learning it in the home.
mkfk1
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There is no "conflict of national interest," if you don't give a damn about your domicile one way or the other. I have no more commitment to America living here now than I did when living in Germany. Or in Puerto Rico or in Antigua or in Hong Kong. I love my families and friends but as far as the countries themselves, they can all kiss my toosh. When I'm in Germany, I'm happy to be there. When I'm in America I'm happy to be here. You're placing too much emphasis on location.

It goes without saying is, being mixed, you do get the best of both worlds, but you get the worst of both as well as all the in between. We know this, it's common sense, so there's no need to say it. However, growing up in s dual or multi cultural home does offer some resources that would not otherwise be readily available or easy to obtain. Sure, you can learn as much as you want on your own when you're older, but it's not the same level of comfort and fluidity that comes with learning it in the home.


let me poof you wrong:

1) Being mixed does not gurantee you getting the best of both world. You "get the best of both world" only if your parents promote you to learn 2 different cultures, and providing the mixed child willingly learn the 2 different culture and are open to learn. I have meant mixed child living HK all their lives. They speak chinese english, but fluent cantonese. Hell, he know more about hk pop then I do. I also know a white girl who have lived in Hk all her lives. She speak sucky english, but fluent canto. Do they get the best of both world? Btw just by irony, the white girl was adpoted by chinese parents. (Irony i know).

which bring back to one more point: being the best of both world is not exclusive to Mixed people. Anyone who has spend time studying 2 or more culture can be muti culture, aka, best of both worlds. Unless you define the best of both worlds by genetic, which I think is pretty racist...then I guess you can say things like "oh, I got white-yellowish skin, and black eyes..blah blah"

2) There is a conflict of national interests for every mixed person. Ask them a very simple question: if the 2 mother countries of your parents go to war with eachother, who will u support? They will try to be nutral and say things like support noone, or support whoever is right. Then give them a war waging situation where both parties is wrong and they both want to go to war with eachother due to dominances and political influences. Mixed people when confront with such question will have to think and eventually, if they were to be honest and answer: they will pick one side over another. Usually, they will pick the country which is currently more powerful.
mikekk86
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 10:19 PM) [snapback]4094181[/snapback]
2) There is a conflict of national interests for every mixed person. Ask them a very simple question: if the 2 mother countries of your parents go to war with eachother, who will u support? They will try to be nutral and say things like support noone, or support whoever is right. Then give them a war waging situation where both parties is wrong and they both want to go to war with eachother due to dominances and political influences. Mixed people when confront with such question will have to think and eventually, if they were to be honest and answer: they will pick one side over another. Usually, they will pick the country which is currently more powerful.

If they were both wrong I'd support neither.
SugarandSpice
QUOTE(mndeg @ Jan 20 2009, 12:46 AM) [snapback]4092589[/snapback]
wrong, knowledge fail

nobody really cares.

and mixed people are not better than average looking. rofl. what an insane inferiority complex.
they are generally below average because usually both of the parents are below average. generally people stay within the realm of familiarity, and those that venture out of it usually do so out of desperation. of course not all the time but in this day and age, more often than not. maybe not in 50 years.


Why is it that they are below average?! Have you gone to every mixed person's parents to see where they are on the social poll?! Not everyone ventures in the realm of familiarity, maybe in the old ignorant days. But today people are going for what they like, not who others think they should be with. Only the desperate ignorant people who have no one in their lives, whine and complain about other people's relationships. And knit-pick about race. How pathetic. My grand mother told me that my great grand father was white, I'm african american, and Jamaican. I'm sure there is something else I'm mixed with. There is no such thing as a pure race, and if there is then give me the evidence. But I totaly disagree with the assumption that mixed people are below average. Talktohand.gif
ClearBlueWater
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 10:19 PM) [snapback]4094181[/snapback]
let me poof you wrong:

1) Being mixed does not gurantee you getting the best of both world. You "get the best of both world" only if your parents promote you to learn 2 different cultures, and providing the mixed child willingly learn the 2 different culture and are open to learn. I have meant mixed child living HK all their lives. They speak chinese english, but fluent cantonese. Hell, he know more about hk pop then I do. I also know a white girl who have lived in Hk all her lives. She speak sucky english, but fluent canto. Do they get the best of both world? Btw just by irony, the white girl was adpoted by chinese parents. (Irony i know).

which bring back to one more point: being the best of both world is not exclusive to Mixed people. Anyone who has spend time studying 2 or more culture can be muti culture, aka, best of both worlds. Unless you define the best of both worlds by genetic, which I think is pretty racist...then I guess you can say things like "oh, I got white-yellowish skin, and black eyes..blah blah"

2) There is a conflict of national interests for every mixed person. Ask them a very simple question: if the 2 mother countries of your parents go to war with eachother, who will u support? They will try to be nutral and say things like support noone, or support whoever is right. Then give them a war waging situation where both parties is wrong and they both want to go to war with eachother due to dominances and political influences. Mixed people when confront with such question will have to think and eventually, if they were to be honest and answer: they will pick one side over another. Usually, they will pick the country which is currently more powerful.

The problem with your scenario is that not all mixed people have parents from different countries. Both of my parents are from the US.

No one ever said it was exclusive or even inherent. Some do choose to side and feel more comfortable in one element over another but that's not to say that ALL do.
Jinata
QUOTE(mkfk1 @ Jan 20 2009, 10:23 PM) [snapback]4093680[/snapback]
Oh your uncle is brave all right. Also very stupid ^^.

So let me get this right, the generals told them China done something bad to Japan. Is that why japanese ended up invading korea, vietnam, laos, cambodia, myr, indonesia, singapore, HK, ...etc etc

Lets be honest honey. I dont think your uncle is that stupid. I dont think your uncle is that rightous either. I think, he knew to a certain extend, that this "great east asian war" would benefit the japanese empire. Which is why japanese soilders will give their lives for their empiror to invade and expand japan influences. China is just one of the many targets on the japanese hit lists. And on that list, apprently USA is on it too.

Your uncle, is willing to die for japanese interest. Will you? Oh wait...I forgot...You are an american, with mixed japanese blood.
You did not explain the dilma a white-japanese mixed would have at that time. He or she would have been torn over which side he or she should pick or support.


The Philippines also.

QUOTE(WhiteandBlue @ Jan 20 2009, 11:59 PM) [snapback]4093840[/snapback]
I am not mixed. I am a PURE-BRED human.


Highly unlikely.



QUOTE(WhiteandBlue @ Jan 21 2009, 02:39 AM) [snapback]4094124[/snapback]
I beg to differ. Everyone psychologically needs to feel belonginess, and that's where RACE comes in. Everyone can say that he / she belongs to the HUMAN RACE for belongingness.


Generalization fail.
HapaGirl
QUOTE(ClearBlueWater @ Jan 20 2009, 11:24 PM) [snapback]4094304[/snapback]
The problem with your scenario is that not all mixed people have parents from different countries. Both of my parents are from the US.

No one ever said it was exclusive or even inherent. Some do choose to side and feel more comfortable in one element over another but that's not to say that ALL do.


yep.
both of my parents are American.
My mom's Japanese but she was born and raised in America.
she doesn't even speak a word of Japanese.

(I learned how to speak it, the Japanese culture, Ryukyuan culture, etc. from my grandma. She pretty much watched me 24/7 for the first 4 years of my life)

Jinata
mkfk1, you speak as if every mixed person's circumstances in Life are always near identical.
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