both long term and short term, which current nations can realistically defeat China army?

also lists possible reason to explain why?

note: assume using nuke is out of the question.

You need to be more specific. Is China invading or are they being invaded? If they are invading, is it over their domestic home or another countries?

You need to articulate a scenario. The question is way to vague.

Any of the BRIC nations (Except China), the US and the EU.
Duh.

The United States.

Brazil couldnt beat CHina in a war. Zero chance of that.

India MIGHT if they were invaded but if India invades CHina or a boarder area then CHina will win. India doesnt have enough fortifications int their NE region in which China could probably sweep the area over. As far as the rest of India...I think India would be able to hold off China.

Russia's military could definitely beat China in a nuclear war. In a non-nuclear war, Russia has less soldiers but more advanced weapons. But such a war would be fought over Russia sparse Far East region in which the bitter colds might be enough to stop China all-together. If not then Russia might have trouble uniting an army.

US at this point would win ONLY if they withdrew all of their troops from everywhere else and put them all into China. Then it would be a long war(like all US-involved wars) in which the US would probably win at this point and time.

There is no precedent of the EU uniting in wartime and I am not sure if such a thing would ever happen. UK and France are probably too weak to invade CHina and win on their own.

I guess thats about it...although I think if invaded North Korea and SOuth Korea would be able to protect their homelands.

The answer is NOBODY !!!

Even "mighty" Uncle SAM is afraid of China and that's why USA wants India, Japan and South Korea to fight China and do all the dirty for American soldiers.

Probably the US if they really wanted to.

not in a conventional war, the us would suffer too many casualties and they would withdraw

Indacut is right. You are being far, far, far too vague, InitialDJay.



If China were to invade the United States, China would almost certainly be defeated. If the United States tried to invade China full-scale, the United States would almost certainly be defeated. (both of these are outlandish scenarios.)


You need to give us a scenario!

the most likely scenario is the US invading China, it is very unlikely China would invade the US

What is even more likely is the U.S invading with allies. China has barely any allies if any at all.


What is the objective of this hypothetical war? To destroy the CCP / US government and replace it? To genocide? To push a country out of a region? Every question has a different outcome.

In a navay war, without the usage of nuclear weapons, the US can win with its vastly superior air-carriers-based fleet.

Thats why one of the main research interests in China's todays military complexity is the R&D of modern anti-carrier weapons, such as Anti-Ship ballastic missiles/long range cruise missile/SSN/OTH radar/UAV/radar or other sensors installed on satellites.

If the US fights a war with China, you all know darn well that American allies -- NATO, Japan, and South Korea -- will get involved... on America's side.

China has no reliable ally to speak of. Russia is somewhat friendlier to China than to the US, but Russia will NOT be on China's side in a war against the US.

India will probably be dragged into the war... on America's side.

Now, if it's just the US versus China, then it's a toss-up.

But with the COMBINED forces of the US, NATO, Japan and South Korea (and probably India,) and that is exactly what will happen in the scenario of a confrontation between the US and China, there is no way in hell China will not be defeated.

You're delusional and in some serious denial if you think China stands a chance against the combined might of the US, NATO, Japan and South Korea. And that is exactly what China will have to face in a war against the U.S.

depending on the situation, I think Russia might help China

and if the Russians did team up with China, they would be hard to beat in a war

anyways, I doubt the US would be foolish enough to try and destroy China, that would be a very big mistake

The "mythical lion" the size of a huge wale; too bad the lion live on land and the wale in deep ocean.

Pssshh we all know Fedor could Armbar half of China in a instant and knee bar the rest.

China's goal is not to go to war with anyone at this moment so question is pointless. IF China does get involved in any military conflict in the future, it will be because of outside aggression not Chinese aggression.

That's also conditional. The unpopular war on Iraq did get NATO involved, but only somewhat, and it was really the US pulling all the weight. A war against China will be even more unpopular, especially considering China's seat in the UN.

Probably 90% of US vs. China scenarios have to do with Taiwan.

Thanks Red Fox Ace for telling us who is going to win in a war between China and the US.

There is no way in the world that China is going to invade the US. So China can't lose.

The more likely scenario is that the US would invade China, in which case the US will be defeated.

Yes, US has superior force, but China is no longer a push over either.

China would eat America for breakfast with ease.

All China has to do is stop buying US treasury bonds and stop sending them money and the country is dead in a matter of months or years.

If you go to war with a nation you don't destroy it all your doing is giving it a set back look at Germany during World War 2 and now.

On the other hand if you control a nations economy you can destroy them from within by withdrawing your support.

China is not stupid they will never go to full scale war with America they will just drag out the rug from under Americas feet economically finishing them off once and for all.

War is good for nothing, especially when it comes to really burying a nation.

well withdrawing economic ties would probably lead to the US declaring war on CHina. A large portion of American products are made in China and cutting those off would kill a lot of industries here off.

The chance of a war even taking place is very little but the chance of a war taking place in the immediate future is practically none.

I'm assuming if something did go sour between the USA and China a real full scale war wouldnt take place for at least another 2 decades since such a big decision would require a lot of thought and the situation would have to be drastically worse than it is now.

So lets say the situation deterioates to the point where things are so bad between the USA and China in 2030 that China and the USA go to war.

For one in the coming decades the "developing world" is set to become the main driver of consumerism on the planet. The Middle East is already contesting any amount of consumerism with Dubai and Qatar being some of the biggest shopping hubs on the planet. In the future there will be plenty of nations to trade with not to mention China's own growing middle class and its own boom in consumerism.

As the developing world is progressing there are trade opportunities open all over the world fo China any real reliance they do have on America is more than going to disappear in the coming 2 decades.

On the other hand with a multi trillion dollar debt if America started taxing 200% on everything sold they wouldn't be able to pay off the debt in a century so America will be relying on China for many many years. I beleve when China has no economic reasons to support the US they will stop giving them money.

When that happens if the US does declare war on China the situation will only be exasperated.

I think a lot of people just don't understand how bad things are in the USA and how long they will depend on China at this rate. It won't be long before China have no reason to support the USA anymore and I'm sure they will pull the plug.

I saw a newspaper article with Obama and a woman(presenting China) giving him money and asking him to be responsible with it which really illustrated the situation. People are not happy the Chinese are putting so much into the American economy and so little into their own I think when they get the opportuntiy they will revise that decision.

Conventional means, and nuclear means, it is not possible to defea China. Infact, India, USA, and russia is not possible to invade them due to either: the population size, or the nuclear arsenal size, or both.

You cant win a war with naval blockage alone. U need to land, or drop nuclear bomb to force the enermy to surrender. If they have nucklear missiles as well, then you are asking to be nuke.

US, with their allies can theoractically launch a massive land invasion. Or maybe US have a much better missile sheild to out nuke China. But Counter arguement are China is not alone. SCO, russia, North Korea, and other socialist countries have reason to join China side. Another arguement is that EU, japan, and india, and SK will have a large dilma to join the US side. See how NATO hesitate to fight in iraq, or add troops in afgcan. Notice how SK going to war with China can lead NK to join the war on China's side. Notice how russia can boyccttt EU gas, and oil and trasportation route.


The most likely senerio of this repeatedly ask question is that no major power will want to go to war with eachother.

The chances of China going to war in the near future is virtually none. The only people that think so are wishful-thinking China haters of other Asian nationalities that want to see the country collapse. Sorry to burst their bubble but China is not dumb enough to go to war with anyone especially the US.

The People's Republic of China has a very powerful and advanced military. Those who underestimate the PRC are
wrong about their capabilities.

So is this

"The US invades China, and we'll see who gives up" or "China and US go at it over Taiwan" or "Battlefield 2: Chinese one one side of the map, and the Americans on the other"?

imo, if there was to be an outbreak of war or WW3, than its strictly because of national soveirgnty i.e. north korea and the middle east.


russia has defended iran couple times, because of a US threat to invade them.l

okay! lets put the scenario as this...

china and "any" country are in a dispute over a territorial ownership in South Africa because of natural resources.

the strategy is simple, imposing your military prowess over your enemy by winning the war, however long it takes and in whatever scenarios without the use of going nuke and help from strategic ally, because this is a one vs one country war!

so base on the scenario, who can defeat China army if they are in a direct confrontation?



well realistically if USA and China go to war, they will drag other countries into this World War III.

if USA gets NATO help, for sure China and SCO (including Russia, Iran, and other middle east) will get involve.

also India is the key to both side as India is very neutral. SCO trying to lure India into being a member but they haven't. so if SCO successfully invites India into its membership, NATO will not reign supreme.

but anyway, i hate gettting into multiple country wars as it's too many cases can occur.

for now, lets focus on 1-1 battle!

All conclusions from the scenario you stated will lead up to WW3. Even if the U.S and China were fighting over the region. It would be a matter of time unti one side attacks the others homeland.

Then all hell will break lose.

^ I doubt it. Both sides, if they fight, will want to keep it as small as possible. If it's about Taiwan, then it'll stay in Taiwan.

russia, china, india have been training their armies together for years now

lets ignore multiple country war. lets just assume 1 on 1. lol

can some of you military expert tell me who is capable of defeating china? (probably USA, Russia, then who else?)

i know there are many western country with superior military technology..but will this be enough to defeat the massive china army?

If its a war in a 3rd world country, then it wont be a direct war, but a proxy war. A proxy war is not scary, a direct war is what people are afriad of. Iraq is a proxy war, korea was a proxy war, vietnam was a proxy war, afgcan was a proxy war, cuba was a proxy war... Nothing to fear unless u are the local population.



No major power will fight 1 on 1. Such assumption is unrealistic.

Ha ha ha......If USA were ever to fight a war against China then China's allies - the Muslim World, Russia, Cuba, and The Third World would be on China's side.

Why would China's allies be on China's side ? Because if China was gone then these countries will suffer even more oppression from the Imperial World consist of USA, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Europe , North America, Australia , New Zealand etc.

Unity is POWER , my friend. China needs her allies as much as they need China to protect them.

If its a war over an African nation or anywhere not close to China. China will lose to almost all the top European countries and America.

Massive makes little difference. In today's world, a technologically superior force will defeat a numerically greater foe, even when greatly outnumbered - almost every single time.



1 modern aircraft carrier battle group will defeat 500 World War I dreadnought battleships.

China does not have a very good ability to transport its forces to long-distance regions. The United States, for example, would have a much better time of transporting its forces to South Africa, much better than China would.

Scenario 3: China needs to occupy mars from an alien civilization thats 2000 years more advanced. Who will win..????!!?!??!?!

These threads are hilarious.

It is already common knowledge that China does not have the ability of a full blue water navy, nor does it have any over seas military bases capable of launching any invasions beyond its sphere. So how is China vs USA over South Africa a realistic scenario?

Scenerio 4: Vatican City vs USA over Puerto Rico.??
Scenerio 5: Taiwan vs China over Mongolia.??

Scenario 4

The Vatican will win, you cannot describe the horror as a swiss guard in an outlandish uniform suddenly appears out of nowhere hiding in group of claretian nuns.

PLus they have halberds! Frigging halberds!

ANyway. Srsly though, one question, Type 96 (I know theres the Type 99 but last I heard it was about 300) vs ....................Leopard 2?

holy shiet..your right. The stripes on their uniform will completely confuse the Americans and the swiss guards will cut their heads off with those halberds of theirs!! lol

Don't worry (see highlighted sentence above) because China have ICBMs that can reach any corner of the Globe.

Yes, but in the original post, the author said "No nukes."

So is this a game of Battlefield or what?

The purpose of this thread is to put China's PLA into "no-win" scenarios and see how it will be annihilated... just for fun.

lol were u being sarcastic about the military expert? because i can tell english isnt ur first language so i cant tell.


im no military expert, i juz express my opinions or facts from what i know.


imo, russia has no chance ofdefeating china because simply they lack in techonology, the US has more chance of defeating china because of their technology, i mean $hit thats why today the US can do what they do, going to war withought approval of congress, not respecting other countries national soverignty, etc.


its a matter of time b4 china surpasses america in weapon tecnology, but good thing ill be dead by the time that happens.


i was talking about conventional warfare, these days i doubt the US would ever fire a nuke unless fired upon first by a sovriegn nation. cuz pretty much we're all gonna die if US goes head to head with nukes.

i dont know about a full capable blue water navy, but its a fact that every US carrier in the pacific is irrelevant because chinese submarines have them in their range and are monitoring them at all times.

im sure if it isnt a sudden outbreak of war, those carriers would be called back to regroup. US lacks in surface warfare ships and are technologicly outdated according to last years DOD report, also their thinking about making the marines a mari-time force.

Why are people so confident that India and Russia would back up China against the U.S? China bailed out on Russia during the Georgian conflict. There going to remember that. You really think Muslims have forgotten about the rape and killing of their women and children in Afghanistan?

India and the U.S have been working together in the War on Terror. India has been getting attacked way longer then the U.S.

And as for these muslim countries. Which country would pick up arms against the U.S? I can only count 2 at them moment. Iran and Syria.

I highly doubt fanatical muslims would side along a communist country. So I would cross Iran out. Syria is ran by the Baath party but has socialist and communist parties as well. So maybe them. Sudan?

Add them to the list.






Im going to say this as politely as possible. Back out of this convo. You are talking out of your @$$. I dont want to make it seem like im some pro american yank. The DOD is constantly exaggerating their reports to get more funding. And no offense to the Chinese, but there Navy is inferior compared to the U.S. They know this, and the world knows this.

India side with China? No, but it's also unlikely that India will side with the US against China also, or would they send troops. India so far has resisted efforts by the US to try to contain the PRC, and most countries have also rejected that idea. Russia won't send troops, but they'd give China its international support. Most other countries would probably want to stay out of China, especially in light of how unpopular perceived US aggression is in Iraq.

There's also the cost of fighting a three front battle in Iraq, Afghanistan, and maybe even Iran or the DPRK (if the DPRK gets involved in a Sino-US confrontation).

This scenario needs to be framed, everything from a who/what/where/why/how. Unless we pick my scenario, i.e., Battlefield 2 style, which is the most unrealistic.

imo, if there would be an outbreak of war because of the middle east, it would be over national soveignty and if superpowers like china and russia join till be over for struggle of power.


i mean im thinking about the next generation of politicians, citizens because the new generation wont be naive, the US have countlessly backed evil dictators, kicked out the palestinians for the jews, etc.

sooner or later their gonan figure out its pretty much our fault, and our only excuse back then was to stop the spread of communisum.


i dont know about india, i just know that the 3 nations have been training their armies together. but im sure russia would back china if we were to attack them, dont know about the other way around though.