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tangawizi
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January 21, 2009<h1 class="heading">Singapore faces devastating exodus of foreigners</h1> Leo Lewis, Asia Business Correspondent div#related-article-links p a, div#related-article-links p a:visited { color:#06c; } Singapore faces an exodus of 200,000 foreigners as the financial services and manufacturing industries scythe through their workforces and the city-state grinds towards the worst recession in its 43-year history.

The expected exodus, predict analysts at Credit Suisse, could see the number of people living in the tiny but economically powerful island shrink more than 3 per cent to just 4.68 million by 2010 in a shift that would severely undermine the government’s 22-year efforts to boost the population through immigration.

A broad rule of thumb, said analysts at UBS in Singapore, is that nearly every new job created over the last few years went to a foreigner. The economic policies of the city state have overtly relied on its ability to attract talent and skills from abroad.

The departure of thousands of ex-pat bankers, lawyers and accountants between now and 2010 is expected to lead a secondary exodus of manufacturing, construction and service sector foreign workers.

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The knock-on effects of a Singapore exodus, some real estate analysts believe, could also see property prices fall by as much as 30 per cent from their current levels.

Credit Suisse’s grim population forecast comes amid warnings that among non-Japan Asian countries, Singapore’s open economy may be hit hardest by the global downturn. Consumption growth, said the report, could fall to almost zero.

Analysts at believe that the country’s GDP may contract by 2.8 per cent in 2009 as rising unemployment hammers domestic growth and the collapse of consumer confidence around the world hits exports.

Mr Karacadag raised a further red flag for Singapore’s economy by warning that there was a risk that forecasts were still underestimating the effects of a broad Asian downturn and further terrible news from the financial sector.

Singapore – the world’s busiest port by tonnage handled and the home of some of the world’s largest shipping companies - is already feeling the pain of an alarming slump in global trade.

With the credit crunch still affecting trade finance and the demand for Asian manufactured goods in acute decline, hundreds of container and dry-bulk ships now sit unneeded and at anchor outside Singapore. The stagnation, say brokers, is matched onshore.

In tandem with the warnings over a possible population crunch, concerns are growing among investors over the health of Singapore’s domestic banks. The “benign asset quality” environment in which Singapore banks have thrived, say analysts, has now reached an inflection point.

The ratio of non- performing loans is expected to rise sharply as the construction boom that has filled the Singapore skyline with towers and cranes begins to deflate.

Between 2003 and 2008, the population of the city state soared nearly 18 per cent in an increase driven predominantly by foreigners hired to meet Singapore’s endemic shortage of workers during the good times.

When global trade, investment banking and Asian stock markets were booming, Singapore successfully fashioned itself as a financial hub to rival Tokyo and Hong Kong and the expatriates flooded in – around 200,000 jobs were created in the financial and business services sector over the last four years.

A large number of jobs are expected to be lost in manufacturing, which accounts for about a quarter of Singapore’s GDP.


eek.gif wondering if its a good idea to go back, now i know its definitely NOT!


mrdata0101
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Feb 17 2009, 01:25 AM) [snapback]4133213[/snapback]
eek.gif wondering if its a good idea to go back, now i know its definitely NOT!


aren't you already in Singapore?
tangawizi
no, i am in Kenya.

how is singapore? i miss fish head beehoon!! cry2.gif
mrdata0101
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Feb 18 2009, 01:44 PM) [snapback]4134844[/snapback]
no, i am in Kenya.

how is singapore? i miss fish head beehoon!! cry2.gif


wt? are you living there permanently?
I've visited Kenya before, it's great country.

Ha ha, me too mate.
I'm now in Australia, only went back to Singapore few years ago to see my dad.
yhellothar
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devastating exodus of foreigners


If only all Asian countries could have that problem

btw what is the Singapore gov't doing about the crisis? They are usually quick to act on these things.

I'm rooting for them.
tangawizi
i dunno really, trying to find out if the exodus is true, cuz i'd really like to get a job back home in the international sector...

dataman, are u working in Australia?? IT?? me, i was an intern with an intergovernment body, now, i got a full term job with them!
mrdata0101
QUOTE(tangawizi @ Feb 19 2009, 02:47 PM) [snapback]4135734[/snapback]
i dunno really, trying to find out if the exodus is true, cuz i'd really like to get a job back home in the international sector...

dataman, are u working in Australia?? IT?? me, i was an intern with an intergovernment body, now, i got a full term job with them!


Yes, I've got the job here at melbourne as software test engineer for data forensic software company who works for big companies like Boeing, CA and BAE.
I did worked for the government before as junior network engineer in data forensic lab in federal police in Australia conjunction with FBI of US.
I have security clearance in several countries including US & Canada, which I often travel.

It's very interesting job because you get to work with police agencies around the world.
Hoping to work for UN some day as international data security expert.
tangawizi
Oooh.. sounds like an interesting job! FBI huh?? How is working with Aussie folks like?? Melbourne is cosmopolitan right? Can get Singaporean cuisine there not???
ricochet
the exodus on foreigners are not that great. But we are anticipating a great flood in the market once IR completes at Sentosa and Marina. By June next year, Exxonmobil SPT project which holds about 16,000 men so far shall flood the market.......that is a big worry

Australian no longer feels that they have a big advantage working here cuz the aussie govt recently announced (July 1) that those expats working outside Australia have to pay both taxes. We have hundreds of them in Exxonmobil
swingdoctor
QUOTE (ricochet @ Sep 10 2009, 12:36 AM) *
the exodus on foreigners are not that great. But we are anticipating a great flood in the market once IR completes at Sentosa and Marina. By June next year, Exxonmobil SPT project which holds about 16,000 men so far shall flood the market.......that is a big worry

Australian no longer feels that they have a big advantage working here cuz the aussie govt recently announced (July 1) that those expats working outside Australia have to pay both taxes. We have hundreds of them in Exxonmobil

They have always had to pay taxes, its just that there is no way of policing it, so they get away without paying taxes.
ricochet
QUOTE (swingdoctor @ Sep 10 2009, 01:57 PM) *
They have always had to pay taxes, its just that there is no way of policing it, so they get away without paying taxes.


We got a contract with Foster Wheel Parson (FWP) and due to some technical difficulties FWP have asked us to employ via our company. So we brought around 20 aussies and kiwis. Previously we only need to deduct 15% for their taxes in Singapore and they told me that they dont have to pay any back home cuz the income is from overseas. Now they say that its not lucrative anymore cuz they have to pay both sides. These people get $800-1000 a day bro...fug man!!!
swingdoctor
QUOTE (ricochet @ Sep 14 2009, 05:07 AM) *
We got a contract with Foster Wheel Parson (FWP) and due to some technical difficulties FWP have asked us to employ via our company. So we brought around 20 aussies and kiwis. Previously we only need to deduct 15% for their taxes in Singapore and they told me that they dont have to pay any back home cuz the income is from overseas. Now they say that its not lucrative anymore cuz they have to pay both sides. These people get $800-1000 a day bro...fug man!!!

Poor little rich guys, earning so much and still b!tching about paying taxes. The thing that pisses me off about these people is that they work overseas, earn lots of dough, pay no taxes in Aust, yet when they retire come back and enjoy the benefits that they didn't pay for. If they want to enjoy the benefits that other people pay for then they should also be prepared to pay for them.

You know you do it for a year or 2 then I personally think it doesn't matter but if its your career, then you should pay taxes in Aust.
elleX0
QUOTE (tangawizi @ Feb 17 2009, 07:25 AM) *
eek.gif wondering if its a good idea to go back, now i know its definitely NOT!

Does that mean that the success of Singapore to date has been due to the ex-pats?
ricochet
QUOTE (swingdoctor @ Sep 15 2009, 06:59 AM) *
Poor little rich guys, earning so much and still b!tching about paying taxes. The thing that pisses me off about these people is that they work overseas, earn lots of dough, pay no taxes in Aust, yet when they retire come back and enjoy the benefits that they didn't pay for. If they want to enjoy the benefits that other people pay for then they should also be prepared to pay for them.

You know you do it for a year or 2 then I personally think it doesn't matter but if its your career, then you should pay taxes in Aust.


Agree with you but the taxes in Australia is crazy cuz these people lands at the highest bracket

Malaysia and Singapore got double tax agreement....so if I pay tax in Singapore, I dont have to pay any in Malaysia

In Indonesia like Batam, there is also a double tax agreement but on corporate level. Not sure about individual
p0734334
If only the government of those countries,where the foreigners hail from, is sensible enough to improvise their own country. Then, we wouldn't need to deal with such an influx of Chinese and Bangladeshi.
Huax
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Does that mean that the success of Singapore to date has been due to the ex-pats?


lol no. Singapore just has a bad case of worshiping the West. If they dropped that delusion 90% of expats in Asia would lose their jobs.
Mid-Night_Sun
QUOTE (p0734334 @ Oct 19 2009, 02:05 PM) *
If only the government of those countries,where the foreigners hail from, is sensible enough to improvise their own country. Then, we wouldn't need to deal with such an influx of Chinese and Bangladeshi.

lol what are you talking about. Chinese run Singapore.
p0734334
^ Ah tiongs lol. Not our locals la.
ricochet
QUOTE (p0734334 @ Oct 20 2009, 01:05 AM) *
If only the government of those countries,where the foreigners hail from, is sensible enough to improvise their own country. Then, we wouldn't need to deal with such an influx of Chinese and Bangladeshi.


You are half right but we also need them because many singaporean not willing to do the job that we entask them. I agree with what a general workers used to tell me, without us, Singaporean cannot be competitive because they are cheap. In shipyard, 99% are NTS workers. Without them, Spore long ago being taken over by Batam or Tanjung Pelepas. Now dubai drydock (biggest ship repair company in the world) has acquired 6 shipyards in Batam and Tj Pelepas is getting bigger. So both will sandwich singapore pretty soon

The influx of NTS workers is basically because we need them to stay competitive
Mid-Night_Sun
QUOTE (p0734334 @ Oct 20 2009, 06:45 AM) *
^ Ah tiongs lol. Not our locals la.

embarassedlaugh.gif ive always wondered why some singapore chinese use "la".

why do you guys use it? its prolly not from mandarin (even though its one of the official lang.)

do hokkien or teochew use that "la" suffix at the end?
elleX0
The "la" suffix is Malay.
p0734334
QUOTE (elleX0 @ Oct 21 2009, 12:11 AM) *
The "la" suffix is Malay.

It's more like an exclamation though it's used regularly as a suffix. Well Malays didn't invent it; it probably descended from the Chinese in their daily dialogue in the olden days. Hence, there's a Chinese character for it - 啦 (la)
Mid-Night_Sun
QUOTE (p0734334 @ Oct 20 2009, 02:18 PM) *
It's more like an exclamation though it's used regularly as a suffix. Well Malays didn't invent it; it probably descended from the Chinese in their daily dialogue in the olden days. Hence, there's a Chinese character for it - 啦 (la)


i ask because cantonese use "la" "lor" "ar" etc. as suffix

not olden days, today still embarassedlaugh.gif

ive always been fascinated that another group uses "la" at the end of a phrase. particularly ending an english phrase. ive only seen overseas Chinese do that embarassedlaugh.gif
ricochet
QUOTE (Mid-Night_Sun @ Oct 21 2009, 05:11 AM) *
i ask because cantonese use "la" "lor" "ar" etc. as suffix

not olden days, today still embarassedlaugh.gif

ive always been fascinated that another group uses "la" at the end of a phrase. particularly ending an english phrase. ive only seen overseas Chinese do that embarassedlaugh.gif


aiya same with other nationalities....thailand has all this ka, naka, krub $hit!
p0734334
^ Lmao. embarassedlaugh.gif
Nhoona
QUOTE (ricochet @ Oct 21 2009, 12:28 AM) *
aiya same with other nationalities....thailand has all this ka, naka, krub $hit!

Talktohand.gif its called particle

ka naka by women

kab krup by men
TruthDoesntHurt
QUOTE (elleX0 @ Oct 20 2009, 11:11 AM) *
The "la" suffix is Malay.


Fark your mother.

What proof do you have it's a Malay influence?

In fact I think the Malays use it from influence from the Chinese.

Dont get the order mistaken.
p0734334
QUOTE (TruthDoesntHurt @ Oct 22 2009, 01:05 PM) *
Fark your mother.

What proof do you have it's a Malay influence?

In fact I think the Malays use it from influence from the Chinese.

Dont get the order mistaken.

Chillax. I already explained the former per se.
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