Vang Pao helped the thieves from the U.S. to hold on the past history of Laos where the government hate Hmong and called us Meo. The past when the Lao people were chained up and killed over cliffs and many were enslaved to death. The past when the Lao people including Hmong ethnic were taxed and rice were sent to France while the people starved to death.
The revolutionaries defeated Vang Pao and his thieves from the U.S. If Vang Pao wanted to build a nation for Hmong like he always claimed, it makes more sense if he organized our people in the U.S. and around the world to come to the U.S. and lived in one state only. Overtime we can creat our own culture, government, military, and declare independence through democracy.
After all, the U.S. owe Hmong a lot for destroying Laos and for the deaths we have to suffer for the U.S. men and women in uniform who came to rob and kill Lao people.
QUOTE(Hmoobhistorian @ Feb 22 2009, 11:35 AM) [snapback]4138965[/snapback]
Vang Pao helped the thieves from the U.S. to hold on the past history of Laos where the government hate Hmong and called us Meo. The past when the Lao people were chained up and killed over cliffs and many were enslaved to death. The past when the Lao people including Hmong ethnic were taxed and rice were sent to France while the people starved to death.
The revolutionaries defeated Vang Pao and his thieves from the U.S. If Vang Pao wanted to build a nation for Hmong like he always claimed, it makes more sense if he organized our people in the U.S. and around the world to come to the U.S. and lived in one state only. Overtime we can creat our own culture, government, military, and declare independence through democracy.
After all, the U.S. owe Hmong a lot for destroying Laos and for the deaths we have to suffer for the U.S. men and women in uniform who came to rob and kill Lao people.
The revolutionaries defeated Vang Pao and his thieves from the U.S. If Vang Pao wanted to build a nation for Hmong like he always claimed, it makes more sense if he organized our people in the U.S. and around the world to come to the U.S. and lived in one state only. Overtime we can creat our own culture, government, military, and declare independence through democracy.
After all, the U.S. owe Hmong a lot for destroying Laos and for the deaths we have to suffer for the U.S. men and women in uniform who came to rob and kill Lao people.
Now, I don't really know if Vang Pao is a criminal or a hero. I cannot judge him because I don't know enough. The only thing I know is that my family is here in the states because of a war. I'm grateful to be in the U.S. because we have freedoms and opportunities here that we would never have in Laos. I think your idea of having a Hmong state here in the U.S. is just wishful thinking and by the way treason. It is no different than OG's here, having wishful thoughts of a Hmong state in Laos. First of all Laos is not our country, never was and never will be, it belongs to Laotians, secondly the U.S. does not belong to us but Americans. The immigration laws would limit the number of immigrants trying to come here from overseas. Even if us Hmong had a state , whether it be in Laos or here in the U.S., we would not be a democracy by any means, honestly speaking we would most likely have a communist like government. We can't even agree on anything, there is no such thing as a consensus or a cause to unite for the greater good. We'll only have a government that only has one goal and that is to better their clan and not as a people. It would be total anarchy. Throughout our history we have suffered due to lack of unity and total disregard for diplomacy. When we went to war we had no concept for the rules of engagement. For these reasons we have suffered for thousands of years being a people that has been maligned and suffered greatly through diaspora. We have no country but we are citizens here in the states so this is our country now, whether people accept that or not. We have to move on and learn from it not dwell in the past. For too long we have suffered due to our lack of knowledge of our history that we are prone to repeat it if we don't learn from it. Knowing our history and dwelling about it are two different things. Knowing our history enables us to build a better future for us as a people. For there to be progress we must persevere and make sacrifices. Only through selfless acts can we hope to achieve a better tomorrow both socially and economically as a people. To change the course of our history and be recognized as a people of achievements and greatness not to be known as a maligned people no longer.
QUOTE(jedi77 @ Feb 27 2009, 02:52 PM) [snapback]4145809[/snapback]
Now, I don't really know if Vang Pao is a criminal or a hero. I cannot judge him because I don't know enough. The only thing I know is that my family is here in the states because of a war. I'm grateful to be in the U.S. because we have freedoms and opportunities here that we would never have in Laos. I think your idea of having a Hmong state here in the U.S. is just wishful thinking and by the way treason. It is no different than OG's here, having wishful thoughts of a Hmong state in Laos. First of all Laos is not our country, never was and never will be, it belongs to Laotians, secondly the U.S. does not belong to us but Americans. The immigration laws would limit the number of immigrants trying to come here from overseas. Even if us Hmong had a state , whether it be in Laos or here in the U.S., we would not be a democracy by any means, honestly speaking we would most likely have a communist like government. We can't even agree on anything, there is no such thing as a consensus or a cause to unite for the greater good. We'll only have a government that only has one goal and that is to better their clan and not as a people. It would be total anarchy. Throughout our history we have suffered due to lack of unity and total disregard for diplomacy. When we went to war we had no concept for the rules of engagement. For these reasons we have suffered for thousands of years being a people that has been maligned and suffered greatly through diaspora. We have no country but we are citizens here in the states so this is our country now, whether people accept that or not. We have to move on and learn from it not dwell in the past. For too long we have suffered due to our lack of knowledge of our history that we are prone to repeat it if we don't learn from it. Knowing our history and dwelling about it are two different things. Knowing our history enables us to build a better future for us as a people. For there to be progress we must persevere and make sacrifices. Only through selfless acts can we hope to achieve a better tomorrow both socially and economically as a people. To change the course of our history and be recognized as a people of achievements and greatness not to be known as a maligned people no longer.
I agree that creating a state in the U.S. or Laos for Hmong will be a treason by U.S. laws as well as Laotian Laws in Laos which is why Vang Pao's idea of making Laos a Hmong nation is wishful thinking. His lies had tricked to many Hmong to maintain Vang Pao's life style as a polygamist.
In the U.S. the U.S. have immigration laws that will disallow Hmong immigrants to the U.S., but do not limit white immigrants as much. You know that that is the case? It is because white people influence the government more and manage to creat laws that benefit them. It is like our culture where the men created the laws and disportionally benefit men over women. If Vang Pao had been a smart leader, instead of worshipping thieves and allow white people to sent Hmong people to jail for self-defense like Chai Vang, he would demand that U.S. tak all Hmong to the U.S. and stop creating immigration laws that discriminate against Hmong and other Asians by citing our help in Laos.
By embracing that U.S. is our country now, trying to run for office, do public works, and help shape the U.S. like many other Amercans who came before us, we can eventually creat a Hmong nation that all people will respect and look forward to. If Vang Pao and his worshippers think they can creat a nation and respect for Hmong through political rhetorics, lies, and terrorists activities, than why not creat the same thing for us Hmong in the U.S. through democracy and pro-peace and pro-harmony.
Our past leaders in Laos had never lead through selfless act and love of people, but they acquire power through lies, political corruption, women oppression, and foreign thieves worshipping like Vang Pao and other leaders before him did. The revolution in Laos managed to chase the thieves from U.S. out because for the first time in Lao history, the leaders had acquire the leadership of community values, selflessness, and economic sharing through hard time(or communism as commonly known).
A good country had always been built through self-sacrifice and hard work. The Hmong who fought for Laos were willing to do that while those who aided Vang Pao and the thieves want to skip the initial labor of buiding nation which I think it is okay since the thieves had been undermining Laos development for so long. Technically I think the Lao people including Hmong have the right to own the U.S. like many nations around the world because for years the U.S. rule by thieves had cause so much deaths and destructions around the world.
QUOTE(Hmoobhistorian @ Feb 22 2009, 01:35 PM) [snapback]4138965[/snapback]
Vang Pao helped the thieves from the U.S. to hold on the past history of Laos where the government hate Hmong and called us Meo. The past when the Lao people were chained up and killed over cliffs and many were enslaved to death. The past when the Lao people including Hmong ethnic were taxed and rice were sent to France while the people starved to death.
The revolutionaries defeated Vang Pao and his thieves from the U.S. If Vang Pao wanted to build a nation for Hmong like he always claimed, it makes more sense if he organized our people in the U.S. and around the world to come to the U.S. and lived in one state only. Overtime we can creat our own culture, government, military, and declare independence through democracy.
After all, the U.S. owe Hmong a lot for destroying Laos and for the deaths we have to suffer for the U.S. men and women in uniform who came to rob and kill Lao people.
The revolutionaries defeated Vang Pao and his thieves from the U.S. If Vang Pao wanted to build a nation for Hmong like he always claimed, it makes more sense if he organized our people in the U.S. and around the world to come to the U.S. and lived in one state only. Overtime we can creat our own culture, government, military, and declare independence through democracy.
After all, the U.S. owe Hmong a lot for destroying Laos and for the deaths we have to suffer for the U.S. men and women in uniform who came to rob and kill Lao people.
That's suicidal... Realistically, why not just create islands out in the open sea and call it hmong land? After all, every inch of land already has its own owner.
QUOTE(Hmoobhistorian @ Mar 1 2009, 01:42 PM) [snapback]4148227[/snapback]
I agree that creating a state in the U.S. or Laos for Hmong will be a treason by U.S. laws as well as Laotian Laws in Laos which is why Vang Pao's idea of making Laos a Hmong nation is wishful thinking. His lies had tricked to many Hmong to maintain Vang Pao's life style as a polygamist.
In the U.S. the U.S. have immigration laws that will disallow Hmong immigrants to the U.S., but do not limit white immigrants as much. You know that that is the case? It is because white people influence the government more and manage to creat laws that benefit them. It is like our culture where the men created the laws and disportionally benefit men over women. If Vang Pao had been a smart leader, instead of worshipping thieves and allow white people to sent Hmong people to jail for self-defense like Chai Vang, he would demand that U.S. tak all Hmong to the U.S. and stop creating immigration laws that discriminate against Hmong and other Asians by citing our help in Laos.
By embracing that U.S. is our country now, trying to run for office, do public works, and help shape the U.S. like many other Amercans who came before us, we can eventually creat a Hmong nation that all people will respect and look forward to. If Vang Pao and his worshippers think they can creat a nation and respect for Hmong through political rhetorics, lies, and terrorists activities, than why not creat the same thing for us Hmong in the U.S. through democracy and pro-peace and pro-harmony.
Our past leaders in Laos had never lead through selfless act and love of people, but they acquire power through lies, political corruption, women oppression, and foreign thieves worshipping like Vang Pao and other leaders before him did. The revolution in Laos managed to chase the thieves from U.S. out because for the first time in Lao history, the leaders had acquire the leadership of community values, selflessness, and economic sharing through hard time(or communism as commonly known).
A good country had always been built through self-sacrifice and hard work. The Hmong who fought for Laos were willing to do that while those who aided Vang Pao and the thieves want to skip the initial labor of buiding nation which I think it is okay since the thieves had been undermining Laos development for so long. Technically I think the Lao people including Hmong have the right to own the U.S. like many nations around the world because for years the U.S. rule by thieves had cause so much deaths and destructions around the world.
In the U.S. the U.S. have immigration laws that will disallow Hmong immigrants to the U.S., but do not limit white immigrants as much. You know that that is the case? It is because white people influence the government more and manage to creat laws that benefit them. It is like our culture where the men created the laws and disportionally benefit men over women. If Vang Pao had been a smart leader, instead of worshipping thieves and allow white people to sent Hmong people to jail for self-defense like Chai Vang, he would demand that U.S. tak all Hmong to the U.S. and stop creating immigration laws that discriminate against Hmong and other Asians by citing our help in Laos.
By embracing that U.S. is our country now, trying to run for office, do public works, and help shape the U.S. like many other Amercans who came before us, we can eventually creat a Hmong nation that all people will respect and look forward to. If Vang Pao and his worshippers think they can creat a nation and respect for Hmong through political rhetorics, lies, and terrorists activities, than why not creat the same thing for us Hmong in the U.S. through democracy and pro-peace and pro-harmony.
Our past leaders in Laos had never lead through selfless act and love of people, but they acquire power through lies, political corruption, women oppression, and foreign thieves worshipping like Vang Pao and other leaders before him did. The revolution in Laos managed to chase the thieves from U.S. out because for the first time in Lao history, the leaders had acquire the leadership of community values, selflessness, and economic sharing through hard time(or communism as commonly known).
A good country had always been built through self-sacrifice and hard work. The Hmong who fought for Laos were willing to do that while those who aided Vang Pao and the thieves want to skip the initial labor of buiding nation which I think it is okay since the thieves had been undermining Laos development for so long. Technically I think the Lao people including Hmong have the right to own the U.S. like many nations around the world because for years the U.S. rule by thieves had cause so much deaths and destructions around the world.
I agree with you about some Hmong leaders using deceitful tactics only for self benefaction. A true leader must serve not be served. A true leader must be selfless and think about his people as a whole and not only of himself or his clan. When you speak of Chai Vang, you have to remember he is not totally innocent. I do not condone what he did, while no one knows what transpired, keep in mind he was trespassing. I am a hunter myself and this is where he was clearly wrong. If he wasn't trespassing probably none of those events would have taken place. Only through objective means can we find the truth and not by subjective means. I can clearly see what your conclusions are because you refer to Vang Pao and others as thieves. I have not yet come to this conclusion, for I cannot judge for the same measure by which I judge it will also be used to judge me. Like you, I believe that, like Asian Americans before us, we must be strive to make a positive name for ourselves here in the U.S. Look at how successful Chinese and Japanese Americans are, who's to say we can't achieve great things too. I envision us two to three generations from now being a self sustaining people with active citizens that love their country. A people that contributes to society both socially and economically. Where you and I differ on is the idea of forming a separate Hmong state. This idea is futile and will never ever work. A Hmong utopia is pure fantasy and not realistic. For there to be peace there must also be war, becoming a separatist group will not help our people but only destroy us. You seem like a smart individual but this idea of forming a Hmong state is too much of a red flag for me. While your intentions may be good, it will cause more damage than good. Who knows maybe Vang Pao had good intentions to begin with too but look where that got him. Good intentions are not always the victor at the end of the day. If you keep on thinking of having a state of our own , what have you really learned from history? Nothing, because wouldn't it put you on par with those who thinks we should have a Hmong state in Laos. Until we can get passed this notion that Laos or the U.S. owes us a Hmong state, we can never advance.
I agree that Chai Vang was wrong to trespass, but death is not a penalty for trespassing. The hunters should’ve call the police or the rangers to take care of Chai’s trespassing. But instead, they decided that it is the best opportunity to kill a Hmong and make him disappeared to fall fill their hatred of the Hmong people. Thank God, Chai Vang have rifle skills that helped save his life. Without Chai Vang’s rifle skills and brave self defense maneuver, the only thing we wouldv’e heard was a headline that said a “Hmong was missing” and will probably never solve. I am sorry that these white hunters die while trying to kill a Hmong for trespassing and for being a Hmong, but all I have to say is that they picked the wrong Hmong to kill. Vang Pao is a thieves worshipper and puppet figure so waiting for him to defend Chai’ s right to self defense is like waiting for pigs to fly.
I agree with you that through objective means can we find the truth. We had waited 30 years for Vang Pao to accept peace and it was like waiting for pigs to fly. Many thieves deniers will say that those who came to Laos from France and the U.S. were there to give democracy and freedom, but many historians and people of our ancestors who live through that period already know that it was not about freedom. The people were there to steal and control Laos and other countries in the area. If someone came to steal, we should call them who they are, thieves, killers, and torturers. I speak against thievery, genocide, rape, torture, slavery, women oppression, and is not afraid to be judge. If you are afraid to be judge than you have your reasons to ignore these atrocities, but that is not me.
You are a real smart person and I respect your view on our differences. I put up this Hmong nation just to get people to think. The United States under thieves control had tried to form separate nations within nations like they are constantly doing in China, Laos, Lebannon, Iraq, Vietname, South Americas, Africa, Eastern Europe, and in the Far East Asia. They do this in order to divide, rob, and enslave people who suffer from wars like us Hmong. They got Vang Pao the idea that some how 400,000 of our people is going to take over Laos, a country of 10 millions. Now if Vang Pao think he can do that, I just happen to think that it is much more achievable to slowly starting to form a Hmong nation right inside the U.S.
You are a real smart person because you are able to cut through the trick that I am trying to put here. If you watch my videos on “Hmong journey around the world” hear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh-AkgC6VGA&feature=channel_page you will see that you and me already agree on this particular issue that we will never be able to form a country of our own. We must learn to love the country that we live in and embrace the system that is already working for us. And we should instead help make the government that are in the U.S. a more peaceful government by embracing diversity and respect other race. The Hmong in Laos who did not helped the CIA because they love their country and see other Lao people not as outsiders like the thieves in the U.S. want them to see, but as brothers and fellow country men.
I never believe Vang Pa have any good intention. He was more of a opium business men who will do anything to get power and cash. His rhetorics against Laos had hurt us more than help us. Many Hmong who lack the education are wondering why the Lao people hate the Hmong in the U.S. and that is because our threats against them had cause them to distrust us.
I agree with you that through objective means can we find the truth. We had waited 30 years for Vang Pao to accept peace and it was like waiting for pigs to fly. Many thieves deniers will say that those who came to Laos from France and the U.S. were there to give democracy and freedom, but many historians and people of our ancestors who live through that period already know that it was not about freedom. The people were there to steal and control Laos and other countries in the area. If someone came to steal, we should call them who they are, thieves, killers, and torturers. I speak against thievery, genocide, rape, torture, slavery, women oppression, and is not afraid to be judge. If you are afraid to be judge than you have your reasons to ignore these atrocities, but that is not me.
You are a real smart person and I respect your view on our differences. I put up this Hmong nation just to get people to think. The United States under thieves control had tried to form separate nations within nations like they are constantly doing in China, Laos, Lebannon, Iraq, Vietname, South Americas, Africa, Eastern Europe, and in the Far East Asia. They do this in order to divide, rob, and enslave people who suffer from wars like us Hmong. They got Vang Pao the idea that some how 400,000 of our people is going to take over Laos, a country of 10 millions. Now if Vang Pao think he can do that, I just happen to think that it is much more achievable to slowly starting to form a Hmong nation right inside the U.S.
You are a real smart person because you are able to cut through the trick that I am trying to put here. If you watch my videos on “Hmong journey around the world” hear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh-AkgC6VGA&feature=channel_page you will see that you and me already agree on this particular issue that we will never be able to form a country of our own. We must learn to love the country that we live in and embrace the system that is already working for us. And we should instead help make the government that are in the U.S. a more peaceful government by embracing diversity and respect other race. The Hmong in Laos who did not helped the CIA because they love their country and see other Lao people not as outsiders like the thieves in the U.S. want them to see, but as brothers and fellow country men.
I never believe Vang Pa have any good intention. He was more of a opium business men who will do anything to get power and cash. His rhetorics against Laos had hurt us more than help us. Many Hmong who lack the education are wondering why the Lao people hate the Hmong in the U.S. and that is because our threats against them had cause them to distrust us.
Historian,
Are you a communist sympathizer or a imperialist?
Are you a communist sympathizer or a imperialist?
QUOTE(yajthaugluv @ Mar 1 2009, 08:05 PM) [snapback]4148524[/snapback]
That's suicidal... Realistically, why not just create islands out in the open sea and call it hmong land? After all, every inch of land already has its own owner.
Vang Pao claim that we Hmong can go back to Laos with a point of a gun and take over Laos. Don't you think this is suicide too especially when most of Lao people are against Vang Pao and his CIA thugs?
A country in the U.S. is a much better chance. Since we are already here, we can creat ways or getting into government to make laws that allow more Hmong to migrate to the U.S. the way European American had been able to help more Europe immigrants to the U.s. Once we have a lot of Hmong in the U.S., we can live in a concentrated areas like say in Minnesota, Wisconsin, or California. We can creat our own culture, local government system, and our own economic structure using federal money at first and then slowly to our own. Overtimes, once we have enough people, enough experties, and enough money,we can declare indepndence like many countries in Europe had been doing.
I know this is hard and will take a long time to do, but at least it is achievable and there are more lands to fight for where as in Laos, the land is so small. What do you think?
You're with the LPDR. You're just wasting time here.
hmmm... if have to with only hmongs then try taking over one like philipines even though they do live in dumps. did you know we americans throw our trash there? yeah i know they really do live in filth. yuk. or you can wait until hawaii is fully indepent then bam or same thing with the natvie americans. lol... or if the rightful way then just go back to china. china is considered our motherland anyways. we are very much appreciated by the chinese over there.
let's vote "yes" or "no" for this topic as vp's position being mentioned by the Historian.
My vote="NO"
My vote="NO"
@mrploverwi: 
u are as hilarious as ur self claim bogus hmong historian schemes mrploverwi. now, who would have thought a brain wash commi worshipper like yourself would be in here trying to propagandize ur half truths. I've said it directly to u in youtube and now im going to say it again, say what u will becuz ur here in this country and even a wolf in sheep-skin like yourself are protected by the bill of rights. But refrain from calling yourself a truth seeker aka self taught hmong historian. judging form ur so-called "half truth propagandas" ur no where near what a truth seeker or historian is. and always remember what u say is a two way street. if ur willing to dish out half crap made-ups make sure ur willing to take what's coming in like the vietcong lap dog u are. oh..now what?..are u gonna accuse me or any1 who dissagree as brain wash VP/white thieve worshippers now? how typical of u Blong Yaj aka communist mrploverwi. why am i not surprise..LOL.. do go one mr. hmoob historian. amuse me! yes, please tell us what a bunch of angels people like u and ur pathet LPDR govt. is.
and while ur at it why stop with VP or the U.S. aka "white thieves" u so-called it. do go on about Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Castro, and Bin ladin just to name a few. Yes, some of the horrible things these leaders did to people, especialy to their own people. do tell us what a bunch of angels these leaders are versus how evil america aka "white thieve" is for interfering. u claim to be a historian so I guess anything ur spouting is the truth Gee, who'd have guess it. what a smart being u must be mrploverwi. u should go apply for SSI. think we were born yesterday or that we dont know our own history/how the vietnam conflict happened? think we dont know which perspective ur speaking from?
P.S. - those videos u posted in youtube isn't yours. i know u quite well, and a gutless vietcong lap dog like yourself wouldnt have the heart/sympathy/courage to go the distance to aquire these things. any1 can obtain these videos from factfindings organizations or various sites. what inferiates me is neeg nplog liab xiam hlwb li koj misuse these videos for your own manipulative propagandas. AND U DARE TO CALL YOURSELF A TRUTH SEEKER. WHAT A JOKE!
u are as hilarious as ur self claim bogus hmong historian schemes mrploverwi. now, who would have thought a brain wash commi worshipper like yourself would be in here trying to propagandize ur half truths. I've said it directly to u in youtube and now im going to say it again, say what u will becuz ur here in this country and even a wolf in sheep-skin like yourself are protected by the bill of rights. But refrain from calling yourself a truth seeker aka self taught hmong historian. judging form ur so-called "half truth propagandas" ur no where near what a truth seeker or historian is. and always remember what u say is a two way street. if ur willing to dish out half crap made-ups make sure ur willing to take what's coming in like the vietcong lap dog u are. oh..now what?..are u gonna accuse me or any1 who dissagree as brain wash VP/white thieve worshippers now? how typical of u Blong Yaj aka communist mrploverwi. why am i not surprise..LOL.. do go one mr. hmoob historian. amuse me! yes, please tell us what a bunch of angels people like u and ur pathet LPDR govt. is. and while ur at it why stop with VP or the U.S. aka "white thieves" u so-called it. do go on about Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Castro, and Bin ladin just to name a few. Yes, some of the horrible things these leaders did to people, especialy to their own people. do tell us what a bunch of angels these leaders are versus how evil america aka "white thieve" is for interfering. u claim to be a historian so I guess anything ur spouting is the truth Gee, who'd have guess it. what a smart being u must be mrploverwi. u should go apply for SSI. think we were born yesterday or that we dont know our own history/how the vietnam conflict happened? think we dont know which perspective ur speaking from?
P.S. - those videos u posted in youtube isn't yours. i know u quite well, and a gutless vietcong lap dog like yourself wouldnt have the heart/sympathy/courage to go the distance to aquire these things. any1 can obtain these videos from factfindings organizations or various sites. what inferiates me is neeg nplog liab xiam hlwb li koj misuse these videos for your own manipulative propagandas. AND U DARE TO CALL YOURSELF A TRUTH SEEKER. WHAT A JOKE!
QUOTE (Hmoobhistorian @ Feb 22 2009, 01:35 PM) 
Vang Pao helped the thieves from the U.S. to hold on the past history of Laos where the government hate Hmong and called us Meo. The past when the Lao people were chained up and killed over cliffs and many were enslaved to death. The past when the Lao people including Hmong ethnic were taxed and rice were sent to France while the people starved to death.
The revolutionaries defeated Vang Pao and his thieves from the U.S. If Vang Pao wanted to build a nation for Hmong like he always claimed, it makes more sense if he organized our people in the U.S. and around the world to come to the U.S. and lived in one state only. Overtime we can creat our own culture, government, military, and declare independence through democracy.
After all, the U.S. owe Hmong a lot for destroying Laos and for the deaths we have to suffer for the U.S. men and women in uniform who came to rob and kill Lao people.
The revolutionaries defeated Vang Pao and his thieves from the U.S. If Vang Pao wanted to build a nation for Hmong like he always claimed, it makes more sense if he organized our people in the U.S. and around the world to come to the U.S. and lived in one state only. Overtime we can creat our own culture, government, military, and declare independence through democracy.
After all, the U.S. owe Hmong a lot for destroying Laos and for the deaths we have to suffer for the U.S. men and women in uniform who came to rob and kill Lao people.
@mrploverwi: u are as hilarious as ur self claim bogus hmong historian schemes mrploverwi. now, who would have thought a brain wash commi worshipper like yourself would be in here trying to propagandize ur half truths. I've said it directly to u in youtube and now im going to say it again, say what u will becuz ur here in this country and even a wolf in sheep-skin like yourself are protected by the bill of rights. But refrain from calling yourself a truth seeker aka self taught hmong historian. judging from ur so-called "half truth propagandas" ur no where near what a truth seeker or historian is. and always remember what u say is a two way street. if ur willing to dish out half crap made-ups make sure ur willing to take what's coming in like the vietcong lap dog u are. oh..now what?..are u gonna accuse me or any1 who dissagree as brain wash VP/white thieve worshippers now? how typical of u Blong Yaj aka communist mrploverwi. why am i not surprise..LOL.. do go one mr. hmoob historian. amuse me! yes, please tell us what a bunch of angels people like u and ur pathet LPDR govt. is.
and while ur at it why stop with VP or the U.S. aka "white thieves" u so-called it. do go on about Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Castro, and Bin ladin just to name a few. Yes, some of the horrible things these leaders did to people, especialy to their own people. do tell us what a bunch of angels these leaders are versus how evil america aka "white thieve" is for interfering. u claim to be a historian so I guess anything ur spouting is the truth Gee, who'd have guess it. what a smart being u must be mrploverwi. u should go apply for SSI. think we were born yesterday or that we dont know our own history/how the vietnam conflict happened? think we dont know which perspective ur speaking from?
P.S. - those videos u posted in youtube isn't yours. i know u quite well, and a gutless vietcong lap dog like yourself wouldnt have the heart/sympathy/courage to go the distance to aquire these things. any1 can obtain these videos from factfindings organizations or various sites. what inferiates me is neeg nplog liab xiam hlwb li koj misuse these videos for your own manipulative propagandas. AND U DARE TO CALL YOURSELF A TRUTH SEEKER. WHAT A JOKE!
Oh damn, I should've checked the Hmong Series talks before I posted something similar to this topic. haha
Good luck on creating your nation peeps.
Good luck on creating your nation peeps.
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