No religion will work for a person if that person is not spiritual.

Thereby, being spiritual and having faith is the most important.

So, you can do a lot of reading and a lot of obeying, but if you don't have faith, you are in deep $hit.

Excuse my language kababayans, but I thought it could possibly convert some people who finds some truth in informal writing.

Basically what I mean is all hard efforts can be all in vain without faith, and simply, just wasting your time.

James307 u sound like a fruitcake dude; typical closed minded type, do u ever see urself asking, "why?" u should try it, and try having a little faith in urself... instead of putting ur faith onto someone else. Only you can save urself, Not Jesus.

Jesus is not even Divine. Blind faith is dangerous and evil, open ur mind, and be awakened, only the truth will set you free...

There is too much hypocrisy in religion for me to become a believer. I'll adhere to my own personal relationship with God, instead of surround myself by false prophets and puppets who can only regurgitate what they read. Religion has been warped and distorted to the point that I just can't accept.

All of response against me to the message I say… (the Word of God) again are Ignorance and wrong criticism and judgement of some people that moslty guilty and hate the TRUTH!

Why? Some forummer here in the forum were either out of topic (just because they want to make their SELFISH point to be heard) and or posting without thinking just to participate on the topic/discussion.

How sad na maraming IPOKRITO at mga NAGMAMAGALING dito dahil sa ang tataas ng pride nila at dahil sa crabmentality nila.

“I don’t make myself clean and good enough to say this things but it shows na may mga pinoy na KRISTIANO DAW or kung hindi man na nagsasalita base lang sa kanilang own knowledge na BALUKTOT AT MAHILIG MAGPALUSOT…”

May mga iba sa ibang topic na about GOD, BIBLE AND SALVATION na thread, na ang ilan ay nagbibigay ng mga verse na mali naman ang pang unawa nila rito or wala man lang supporting verses.

Nagbabatay sa turo ng kanilang bulaang puno o sa tradisyon at mga doktrinang gawa ng tao sa relihiyon nila, na mabasa lang ang isang salita sa bibliya nilalagyan na nila ng sarili nilang interpretasyon at tinitwist nila para linlangin ang mga tao kahit wala naman silang maipakitang panuporta sa verse na binigay nila.

ANG TITIGAS PA RIN NG ULO AT PUSO matapos mong paliwanagan at sabihan, tapos sasabihin pa na ganyan- ganito yan, we did our best para akayin sila with love pero ano pa ang halaga nito kung wala ring halaga sa kanila.

Di ko nililimitahan ang iba na mag comment o mag ask ng question pero may mga IMMATURE at MGA GUMAGAWA NG DRAMA kapag gipit na sila at wala naman talagang masabing tama.

Ang daming PARISEO dito at mga MAPAGKUNWARI, sa araw at oras na pingangaral ang EBANGHELYO(ang katotohanan) magsasalita sila sa sarili nila at kokontrahin ito tulad ng panahon ni Hesus.

Bakit sila ganyan? Simple lang po ang sagot, ito ay dahil wala silang KRISTO sa puso nila at di talaga nila kilala ang Diyos at ang Kanyang banal na Salita, kaya sana mag ingat sa kanila!

(Note: ang bagyong ondoy po ay parusa ng Diyos sa kasalanan ng mga tao dahil sila ay nakalimot sa Diyos at nag focus sa mga bagay ng sanlibutan sa modernong mundo, panalangin natin ang mga tao na nadamay dahil sa kasalanan ng iba at patuloy pagkakaisa at kaligtasan ko sa ating minamahal na bayang PILIPINAS).

this $hit should be moved the other forum.... +_+

why because you do not understand it or your guilty of it? where should this be moved?

i totally agree.

guilty of what? i follow my own faith and i don't worship another mans idol. understand?

i have nothing to gain by worshiping a god in a country that will partially atheist by 2050. if anything really these "bibles" is a collective story of the past. it the great story very written.

i said move this to OTHER FORUM because this discussing doesn't belong here since it other then Filipinos participated with their own views. it would be best serve there.

Jesus the Lord and Saviour

Guilty of the truth of God...

because the natural man without Christ and understanding on His word is blind sinner and live in wrong path.

you do not worship God because you do not even know God the Spirit and Truth, Christ will come again to judge unbelievers and to reward His faithful servant, The Bible is the Word of God written by prophets, apostle guided by the Holy Ghost according to God's will and History the Word of God is quick and powerful...

where do you suggest that this forum be move? why don' t you tell it to the moderator instead. if you can't say anything about this, and talk non sense according to YOUR OWN IDEA AND WORDS, why bother if this doesn't bother you this is for FILIPINO CHRISTIAN WHO UNDERSTAND AND MATURED if your from other country excuse me, God is not respecter of person, and I will obey Him whatever you and they say...

LOL GUILTY OF GOD...

don't make me laugh any harder then i was with your first post...

please! please! please! please! please! please! please! please! please!

maybe you should learn to lead since you know to how follow. maybe just maybe you'll see where I'm coming from

you can't even look through this forum to find the OTHER FORUM. i mean a person with some common sense would have.

where you would have better conversation then it being here becuase not all that posted here isn't FIILIPINO .

FYI i NEVER NEVER NEVEERRRR stated any of my "OWN IDEA AND WORDS" specially IDEAS, don't put words my mouth!

LOL oh my...words

I don't ask where you came from or what sense common sense do you have? this is my thread and hope you will respect that let the MOD decide not you, if you have problem on it can't do anything for you, this thread was created to my fellow Pinoys matured and religious.

if you will insist again and again i can't do anything but IGNORE YOU.

now excuse me and this is my last repz for u...

What? seriously? are you even reading what your said to me? your asking me to be respectful but yet your very disrespectful to me from your first post. your chastising me because i don't believe in god or even have one to believe? Like I'm guilty of SIN. so every Catholic of you. HOW VERY MATURE OF YOU! how old are you?

do you think i came to this decision without first weighing my options? i grew up in a Catholic house hold. i live in the USA. by the end of my of high school I started to question it. at the end of 2nd year college I completely abandoned it. 4 years ago I denounce it because i found nothing in it when i completely dove into Filipino history.


I didnt come in here to change anyones mind just stated that it be better else where since others participated. what hard about that you couldn't comprehend?

FYI: http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?act=boardrules
- Do not create more than one account Creating more than one account to use in a deceiving or negative way will get you instantly ban from the forum. Both your original and your new account will be ban. If you ever forget your password, contact me (Ben)
really? your also james307.

you've been reported for double account.

*Promo* is now ignored.

Good day.

to continue on the discussion this is the update: Salvation by Grace of God.

Eph 1:6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He has made us accepted in the Beloved.




The Word of God gives the assurance that Christians [those who are saved by grace through faith] are accepted in the Beloved [the Lord Jesus Christ].



What does verse 6/ God's Word say above? He has made us ACCEPTED in the Beloved. "Us" here refers to Christians/saved by grace through faith people.



Note: If you are going to put forward the argument that I did not continue to verse 10 in my quote of Ephesians chapter 2 verse 8, let me tell you that verse 10 does not say that Christians are saved BY good works. Verse 10 says that they are saved FOR or UNTO good works.



Verse 8 speaks of the BASIS [grace] of salvation and it also talks about the MEANS [faith] of salvation. While verse 10 speaks of the PURPOSE [unto good works or for good works] of salvation.



Sinners are saved BY grace THROUGH faith.......FOR or UNTO good works. Good works are the result of being saved by grace through faith. Not the cause of being saved.



Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:



"To those who believe in His name" in the Greek is an explanation of the first part of the verse: "...as many as recieved Him...."



How can one recieve the Lord Jesus Christ? By faith. One recieves Christ by faith. By the same means, the heart becomes the home of Christ by faith:


Eph 3:17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love,



A sinner recieves salvation by faith. The heart of the saved sinner becomes the home of Christ by faith. Faith opens the door for Christ to come in one's life. Faith opens the doors inside the home for Christ to dwell in. Every area of one's life Christ is there by faith.



Mr 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.


Ac 26:18 'to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.'

what can't think for yourself? quoting text out of the book. great, really intelligent! you got into argument and some what been challenged. YOU TUCK YOUR TAIL AND RUN

is this what Filipino gonna continue... live aimlessly through the word of god? DON'T LISTEN THIS FOOL. he won't make anything out himself.
if continue this type of mentality and cant' think for yourself just think of the future of the Philippines and Filipinos.

if you're not a Priest you shouldn't be forcing $hit down people throat. specially in an open forum where we have different ethnic and religion.
this forum is for Filipino and not just Catholic Filipinos. A person shouldn't be threaten religiously by anyone here. ALL FILIPINO ARE WELCOME.

Inaksaya mo nag panahon mo sa salita nag diyos nag hindi sayo pa.

...inutil.



a small snip in history of Catholicism in Philippines.

Pls. visit TRAIL OF BLOOD to see the true Church History

and what I read isn't?

Pls. read and understand before you complain

LMAO the O.P. is truly a nutcase hahaha omg got to love these religious loons

ano kamo?

lol, di ko maintindihan ang tagalog mo eh...

Smile Jesus Loves You All!

Why He gave His life for you and Me

The question is... will you accept Him as your Lord and Personal Saviour?

Why Rizal didn’t get his wish


Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 22:36:00 01/06/2010

Filed Under: Heroism, history, Research

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NATIONAL Historical Institute Chair Ambeth Ocampo was quoted by the Inquirer (12/30/09) as having remarked in a recent lecture that Rizal’s wish on how he was to be buried was never fulfilled.

That is true, but Ocampo did not explain why. Unless this is explained, the impression could be made that his family was responsible for it, a family that was totally devoted to Rizal.

According to National Artist Carlos Quirino, in his biography of Rizal titled “The Great Malayan,” “The corpse of Rizal remained in the Luneta for about twenty minutes before the Brothers of Charity trundled it off in a cart to the Paco cemetery where it was buried [in an unmarked grave].” No member of Rizal’s big family witnessed the execution as they were in their homes “under the surveillance of armed guards.”

Jose Baron-Fernandez, a Spanish historian, wrote in his book, “Jose Rizal, Filipino Doctor and Patriot”: “The body of Rizal was placed in a van and with the greatest secrecy buried in the old and unused Paco cemetery. Teodora [Rizal’s mother] wanted to comply with the last wish of her son, i.e., that the family should take charge of his cadaver.” Hours after Rizal’s execution, his sister, Narcisa, went to all the cemeteries in Manila to search for her brother’s grave in vain.

“On the way back, she saw through the open gate of the Paco cemetery some guardia civiles [civil guards]. This gave her a clue. She entered the cemetery and after much searching found a grave with freshly turned earth. She gave the gravedigger a tip and placed a plaque with the initials of her brother in reverse, R.P.J., that is Rizal, Protacio Jose.” This was to mislead the authorities who might remove his remains to another site.

Two years later, in August 1898, a few days after the Americans took Manila, Narcisa obtained permission to exhume his body. Biographer Austin Coates in “Rizal – Filipino Nationalist and Patriot,” wrote that Rizal’s body was immediately identified through his tattered shoes and clothes, and that the body was buried “uncoffined,” meaning it was not even placed in a casket.

The Catholic Church, which claimed that Rizal had retracted his writings criticizing the Church, did not say Mass for the hero who had studied at the Ateneo, the Jesuit school. This was one of the reasons cited by Coates and others who disbelieve the claim that Rizal had retracted. For if Rizal had really died in the bosom of the Church, as claimed, he would have been accorded the Catholic burial rites due a prodigal son. Coates also observed that the alleged letter of retraction was not signed by Rizal but was a forgery.

—MANUEL F. ALMARIO,
spokesperson, Movement for Truth in History
(Rizal’s MOTH), mfalmario@yahoo.com

http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinio...nt-get-his-wish

JESUS SAVES

We have heard the joyful sound: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!
Spread the tidings all around: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!
Bear the news to every land, climb the mountains, cross the waves;
Onward! ’tis our Lord’s command; Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

Waft it on the rolling tide: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!
Tell to sinners far and wide: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!
Sing, you islands of the sea; echo back, you ocean caves;
Earth shall keep her jubilee: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

Sing above the battle strife: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!
By His death and endless life Jesus saves! Jesus saves!
Shout it brightly through the gloom, when the heart for mercy craves;
Sing in triumph o’er the tomb: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

Give the winds a mighty voice: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!
Let the nations now rejoice: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!
Shout salvation full and free; highest hills and deepest caves;
This our song of victory: Jesus saves! Jesus saves!

Only you people can help yourselves

how? man is totally deprave...

* Genesis 6:5: "The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

* Genesis 8:1: "And when the LORD smelled the pleasing aroma, the LORD said in his heart, "I will never again curse the ground because of man, for the intention of man’s heart is evil from his youth. Neither will I ever again strike down every living creature as I have done.

* Job 15:14: What is man, that he can be pure? Or he who is born of a woman, that he can be righteous?

15 Behold, God puts no trust in his holy ones, and the heavens are not pure in his sight; how much less one who is abominable and corrupt, a man who drinks injustice like water!

* Job 25:4-6: How then can man be in the right before God? How can he who is born of woman be pure? 5Behold, even the moon is not bright, and the stars are not pure in his eyes; 6 how much less man, who is a maggot, and the son of man, who is a worm!"

* Psalms 51:5: "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me."

* Psalms 58:3: "The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray from birth, speaking lies."

* Ecclesiastes 7:20: "Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins."

* Ecclesiastes 9:3: "This is an evil in all that is done under the sun, that the same event happens to all. Also, the hearts of the children of man are full of evil, and madness is in their hearts while they live, and after that they go to the dead."

* Jeremiah 17:9: "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?"

* Jeremiah 13:23: (NIV): "Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil."

* Isaiah 64:6 "We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away"

* Isaiah 64:7 "There is no one who calls upon your name, who rouses himself to take hold of you, for you have hidden your face from us and have made us melt in the hand of our iniquities."

* Isaiah 64:8 "But now, O LORD, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand."

* Mark 7:21-23: "For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person."

* John 3:19: "And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil."

* John 6:44: "[Jesus said,] 'No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.'"

* John 6:64-65: "[Jesus said,] 'But there are some of you who do not believe.' (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And he said, 'This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.'"

* John 8:34: "Jesus answered them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin.'"

* Romans 3:10-11: "None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God."

* Romans 8:7-8: "For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God."

* 1 Corinthians 2:14: "The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned."

* Ephesians 2:1-3: "And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience - among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind." (our depravity being emphasised in the concept of being "dead"; only something external -i.e. God- can give a dead man life)

* Titus 3:3: "For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another."