Roman Catholic Church Catechism vs. The Holy Bible


Catechism

1. Peter was the Head of the Apostles [552,768,880]

Bible

- Christ was the Head of the apostles (John 13:13)

Catechism

2. The Bishop, is the Successor
Of the Apostle [861-862, 936]

Bible

- The Apostles had no Successor, for to Succeed them one needed to be a witness of Christ's Resurrection (Acts 1:21, 22)

Catechism

3. The Pope, as the bishop of Rome, is the successor of Peter [882, 938]

Bible

-Peter had no Successor

Catechism

4. The bishop, with Popes as their head, rules the universal Church [883, 894-896].

Bible

-Christ, the Head of the Body, Rules the Universal Churches (Colossians 1:18)

Catechism

5. God has Entrusted revelation to the Roman Catholic Bishops [81, 86]

Bible

- God has Entrusted revelation to the Saints (Jude 3)

Catechism

6. The Magisterium is the authoritative teacher of the Church [85, 87]

Bible

- The Holy Spirit is the authoritative teacher of the Church (John 14:26; 16:13; 1 John 2:27)

Catechism

8. The Pope is infallible interpreter of the Scripture [891]

Bible

-God Alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19)

Catechism

9. The Magisterium alone has the ability and the right to interpret the Scripture [85, 100,
939]

Bible

-Every Christian, aided by the Holy Spirit, has Ability and the right to interpret the Scripture (Acts 17:11; 1 Corinthians 2:12-16)

Catechism
10. Scripture is to be interpreted in the sense in which it has been define by the Magisterium [113, 119]

Bible

- Scripture must be Interpreted in the original sense intended by the Holy Spirit (2 Peter 3:14 -16)

Catechism

11. The Magisterium has the right to define truth found only obscurely or implicitly of the revelation [66, 82

Bible

- No One has right to go beyond what is written in Scripture (1 Corinthians 4:6, Proverbs 30:6)

Catechism

12. The Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God [81, 85, 97, and 182]

Bible

-Scripture is the Word of God (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20, 21). Tradition is the Words of men (Mark 7:1-13)

Catechism

13. Scripture and the Tradition together are the Church’s Supreme rule of Faith [80, 82]

-Scripture is the Church’s only Rule of Faith (Mark 7:7-13, 2 Timothy 3:16, 17)




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PHILIPPINES FOR JESUS!

are you trying to convert souls on af?

Even the Bible is NOT complete-- huge portions of the true teachings of Jesus (new Testamant) was expurgaated during the Treaty of Nancea in 800AD in Constatinople.

As for Vatican?? they were corrupt!

Nope, but opening their eyes according to the Word of God.

Question: "Is the Bible truly God's Word?"

Answer: Our answer to this question will not only determine how we view the Bible and its importance to our lives, but also it will ultimately have an eternal impact on us. If the Bible is truly God’s Word, then we should cherish it, study it, obey it, and ultimately trust it. If the Bible is the Word of God then to dismiss it is to dismiss God Himself.

The fact that God gave us the Bible is an evidence and illustration of His love for us. The term "revelation" simply means that God communicated to mankind what He is like and how we can have a right relationship with Him. These are things that we could not have known had not God divinely revealed them to us in the Bible. Although God’s revelation of Himself in the Bible was given progressively over approximately 1500 years, it has always contained everything that man needed to know about God in order to have a right relationship with Him. If the Bible is truly the Word of God, then it is the final authority for all matters of faith, religious practice, and morals.

The question we must ask ourselves is how can we know that the Bible is the Word of God and not just a good book? What is unique about the Bible that sets it apart from all other religious books ever written? Is there any evidence that the Bible is truly God’s Word? These are the type of questions that must be looked at if we are to seriously examine the biblical claim that the Bible is the very Word of God, divinely inspired, and totally sufficient for all matters of faith and practice.

There can be no doubt about the fact that the Bible does claim to be the very Word of God. This is clearly seen in Paul’s commendation to Timothy: “. . . from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:15-17).

There are both internal and external evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word. The internal evidences are those things within the Bible that testify of its divine origin. One of the first internal evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word is seen in its unity. Even though it is really sixty-six individual books, written on three continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years, by more that 40 authors who came from many walks of life, the Bible remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction. This unity is unique from all other books and is evidence of the divine origin of the words as God moved men in such a way that they recorded His very words.

Another of the internal evidences that indicate the Bible is truly God’s Word is seen in the prophecies contained within its pages. The Bible contains hundreds of detailed prophecies relating to the future of individual nations including Israel, to the future of certain cities, to the future of mankind, and to the coming of One who would be the Messiah, the Savior of not only Israel, but all who would believe in Him. Unlike the prophecies found in other religious books or those done by Nostradamus, the biblical prophecies are extremely detailed and have never failed to come true. There are over three hundred prophecies concerning Jesus Christ in the Old Testament alone. Not only was it foretold where He would be born and what family He would come from, but also how He would die and that He would rise again on the third day. There simply is no logical way to explain the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible other than by divine origin. There is no other religious book with the extent or type of predictive prophecy that the Bible has.

A third internal evidence of the divine origin of the Bible is seen in its unique authority and power. While this evidence is more subjective than the first two, it is no less a very powerful testimony of the divine origin of the Bible. The Bible has a unique authority that is unlike any other book ever written. This authority and power are best seen in the way countless lives have been transformed by the supernatural power of God’s Word. Drug addicts have been cured by it, homosexuals have been set free by it, derelicts and deadbeats have been transformed by it, hardened criminals reformed by it, sinners are rebuked by it, and hate has been turned to love by reading it. The Bible does possess a dynamic and transforming power that is only possible because it is truly God’s Word.

There are also external evidences that indicate the Bible is truly the Word of God. One of those evidences is the historicity of the Bible. Because the Bible details historical events, its truthfulness and accuracy are subject to verification like any other historical documentation. Through both archaeological evidences and other writings, the historical accounts of the Bible have been proven time and time again to be accurate and true. In fact, all the archaeological and manuscript evidence supporting the Bible makes it the best documented book from the ancient world. The fact that the Bible accurately and truthfully records historically verifiable events is a great indication of its truthfulness when dealing with religious subjects and doctrines and helps substantiate its claim that it is the very Word of God.

Another external evidence that the Bible is truly God’s Word is the integrity of the human authors. As mentioned earlier, God used men from many walks of life to record His words to us. In studying the lives of these men, there is no good reason to believe that they were not honest and sincere men. Examining their lives and the fact that they were willing to die often excruciating deaths for what they believed in, it becomes clear that these ordinary yet honest men truly believed that God had spoken to them. The men who wrote the New Testament and many hundreds of other believers (1 Corinthians 15:6) knew the truth of their message because they had seen and spent time with Jesus Christ after He had risen from the dead. The transformation of seeing the risen Christ had a tremendous impact on them. They went from hiding in fear to being willing to die for the message God had revealed to them. Their lives and deaths testify to the fact that the Bible truly is God’s Word.

A final external evidence that the Bible is truly God’s Word is the indestructibility of the Bible. Because of its importance and its claim to be the very word of God, the Bible has suffered more vicious attacks and attempts to destroy it than any other book in history. From early Roman Emperors like Diocletian, through communist dictators and on to modern day atheists and agnostics, the Bible has withstood and outlasted all of its attackers and is still the most widely published book in the world today.

Throughout time, skeptics have regarded the Bible as mythological, but archeology has established it as historical. Opponents have attacked its teaching as primitive and outdated, but its moral and legal concepts and teachings have had a positive influence on societies and cultures throughout the world. It continues to be attacked by science, psychology, and political movements, and yet it remains just as true and relevant today as it was when it was first written. It is a book that has transformed countless lives and cultures throughout the last 2000 years. No matter how its opponents try to attack, destroy, or discredit it, the Bible remains just as strong, just as true, and just as relevant after the attacks as it was before. The accuracy which has been preserved despite every attempt to corrupt, attack, or destroy it, is clear testimony to the fact that the Bible is truly God’s Word and is supernaturally protected by Him. It should not surprise us that no matter how the Bible is attacked, it always comes out unchanged and unscathed. After all, Jesus said, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Mark 13:31). After looking at the evidence one can say without a doubt that yes, the Bible is truly God’s Word.

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you know what?? I realized at a young age-- maybe bec of that suffocating Catholicism in Phil-- I'll make my life simple;

JUST FOLLOW THE 10 COMMANDMANTS-- ONE CANNOT GO WRONG.

THAT'S IT.

You cannot be saved by following those commandments.

we are all sinned and totally depraved but Jesus Christ died on the cross and God offer you salvation tru Christ blood, -John 3:16

He is the only way to heaven the eternal life to have and the truth that we must follow.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (King James Version)

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 1:2 (King James Version)

2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

AH, don't start me with religion... which is an invention..but 'SPIRITUALITY' IS DIVINE.

God is more forgiving than anyone assumes. Christians are not the only ones who will go to heaven.

If I truly follow any faith-- IT'LL BE BUDHSIM.. you don't hear of scandals from them,do you?!

ah, christians.. the havoc they wreaked in civilization... tremendous.



AND WHAT IS TRUTH?? THE TRUTH IS SIMPLICITY & SIMPLICITY IS TRUTH..


the 10 COMMANDEMENTS-- BESTOWED TO MOSES.. IT WAS TRUE THEN & TRUE TODAY..

JESUS WAS BORNE A JEW & A JEW WHEN HE DIED.

HIS HALF-BROTHER JAMES BECAME A HEAD RABBI. WHO WAS STONED TO DEATH BY THE ROMANS..

YES, JESUS HAD SIBLINGS.

THE BIOGRAPHY OF JESUS WILL BE RE-WRITTEN AS THEOLOGIANS & ARCHIGEOLOGISTS ARE BUSY 'DIGGING' IN JERUSELEM RIGHT NOW,FOLLOWING HIS FOOTSTEPS..

Do you have anything to do other than to rebuke other people's creed, race, nationality etc.

That's shows how lowly your true character is in the facade of intellectualism.

That's shows your bigotry.


All your knowledge goes to waste because you don't display any semblance of wisdom on you. Perhaps you can't even distinguish what's the difference between knowledge and wisdom.
Let me distinguish for you.
Knowledge can be gained by transference, but wisdom must be acquired by experience and recognition, the latter depending on the spiritual maturity of the individual. And this maturity again is determined by the spiritual development that is formed on the path to the Divine.


Well, our faith in the divinity of the man you called Jesus will not diminish a bit.

In his words, "you are gods, what I can do, you can do also or even greater."

Look beyond the man, and see His Divinity.

Don't profane what other's beliefs. As we respect yours.

If you don't have any productive things to do. Just go in silence.

It is a pity but also the truth that the clergy, theosophists, spiritualists or whatever they are called are antagonistically inclined just as if only their chosen path leads to God. All men seeking this path to, and union with, God should always remember the words of Jesus Christ, the great Master of the mystics who said, "Love thy neighbor as thyself". This sentence ought to be a sacred command to any seeker of illumination on the spiritual path.

Moses has 10 commandments

Jesus has only one "Love Thy Neighbor"

James307 theoretically Jesus CAN NOT be God. Jesus was ignorant at his most important moment. How can a GOD by any definition be unknowing? GOD by all definition if any other meaning is ALL Knowing.

If u dont know what im talking about, let me inform you. Why did Jesus at the most important moment of his existence say during his crucifixion, "Father WHY have you Forsaken Me?" Jesus himself Doesn't even know Why he is being crucified. How can GOD not know his purpose? How can GOD not know why his life was being sacrificed? THis just proves Jesus was NOT divine, he was just another man searching for the meaning of life.

Jesus folded at his most important moment, he stepped up to the plate and struck out.

By all means, that disqualifies him from being GOD under any definition of what GOD is.

How can a person who doesnt even know, or didnt even know the purpose in his Own Life, determine the outcome and life of others just puzzles me???

Sorry guys, didnt mean to let you guys down, it doesnt mean u cant still worship Jesus, I just wanted to let you guys know so u can make an informed choice. As humans advance and our minds increasingly attains knowledge, i hope those who insist in staying in the dark will be "Awakened."

did u know Alexandra, according to the bible and all those that study the bible, The earth is only 6,000 years old. That date is determined by all the stories in the bible and the dates that come from it.

By all means, we Know the Earth is over a Billion years old. I hope Ppl dont actual believe what the bible says. I mean, come one? I hope all of us have common sense, and not let the bible conflict with our own intellect. If we know the bible is wrong in this matter, we must question if any of it is true at all..

I hope everyone will one day be Awakened, only then we can be one with the Universe.

You are being too literal. Sacred scriptures are full of symbolicals and you must the right interpretation keys to unlock its secrets. There are many truths in the bibles and other sacred scriptures, that Science is now slowly comprehending.

One buddha day is equivalent to blank thousands of years.
Or as in the bible, One day with the LORD is a thousand years.

It is understandable that each will judge from his individual point of view. He who stands upon the purely materialistic position, an unbeliever in religious matters, ignoring supernatural phenomena and only concerned in material interests, undoubtedly will regard the bible as sheer nonsense, and I am not purposed to convert such people to any faith or to change their ideas. The bible and any other sacred scriptures have exclusively been written for those who seek the pure truth and the supreme Wisdom that they will indeed find in it.

For all those desirous of perfection, please respect the beliefs of others you think are unawake. They may be awakened than you ever know. If only we remove bigotry. There'll be no more wars.

what's wrong with the facts??!! doesn't have to do with any Prejudice, racism, nor bigotry... when the very opposite is true-- ONE IS BEING OPEN MINDED.
but Jesus was a JEW ,is a JEW when he died-- & he was a rebel rouser' of his time. NOTHING WILL CHANGE THAT... NOTHING. hE WAS BURIED ACCORDING TO HIS JEWISH FAITH.

IF ANYONE BELEIVES THE WORLD IS ONLY 6,000 YRS OLD-- WELL, IT'S DEBUNKED BY HISTORY VERY EASILY. when you study the 'EVOLUTION OF MAN.. anyway-- EGYPTIAN HISTORY IS LIKE 7,0000YRS OLD.. & that's not even the oldest..


i BELIEVE IN jESUS BUT MOST OF ALL-- I have great interest in theology.. but I found is-- what's 'written' in the Bible & History usually don't mesh with the facts.. that's what historians are trying to do now..

you know, the first teachings of Jesus were written over a 100 yrs after his death? & the first Bible was written in like several hundred yrs later... & mostly so fat removed from his real teachings. It was after THE EMPEROR CONSTANTINE, A ROMAN WHO DECIDED TO MAKE JESUS --THIS DIVINE CREATURE.. ( originally, some ancient text-- was saying JOHN THE BAPTIST was the one prophesied as the MESSIAH. )

there's a lot of ????? that's being asked & investigated right now.

Again I say-- THE NEW TESTAMENT IS EXPURGATED.. huge portions of iJesus' teachings taken out during the TREATY OF NANCEA as it didn't serve the empire of CONSTANTINE.. then, HIS CITY CONSTANTINOPLE WAS THE SEAT OF CHRISTIANITY.. (present day Istanbul) who wanted to 'use' religion to 'control' the MASSES..

Interesting to learn HOW politics & christianity finally meshed together. The worst thing the Vatican ever did was instigated the CRUSades.. AS eventually the Christians 'lost' to the Muslims;, & was driven out of Judea.. & the first Christian Catheral built by Constantine 'lost' forever to Islam. IT'S NOW A MOS-UE. ( WE'RE PAYING FOR IT NOW- WITH THIS 'WAR' WITH ISLAM.)


anyhow, no one will ever tell me-- HOW I 'save' my soul'-- that's just it. THAT'S MY OWN SPIRITUAL JOURNEY.. THERE'S NO SHORT CUTS..

BESIDES, i DO BELIEVE IN KARMA.. JESUS DID TOO.. HE TAUGHT IT... BUT ONE OF THE THINGS TAKEN OUT DURING THAT TREATY.. as the church will not have total control.

All very interesting.

ps: i live in the States-- during Easter-- the History channel here shows/have shown some of the most in depth new findings about the life of Jesus.. the definitive teachings nor his biography still hasn't been written.ON THE OTHER HAND I DO KNOW TOO-- THE VATICAN HAVE A LOT OF ANCIENT TEXTS-- HIDDEN IN IT'S ENORMOUS VAULTS.. again, it's back to control. AS THE VATICAN WIELDED TREMENDOUS POLITICAL POWER IN CIVILIZATION..

why, I prefer Buddhism.. there's a purity in it. it didn't get involved in politics.. YOU DON'T SEE THE BUDDHISTS WAGING WAR IN THE NAME OF BUDDHA & POLITICS ,DO YOU??! NO! THERE'S SOMETHING VERY PROFOUND ABOUT THAT,YOU KNOW.

Tibet?

mmm...you're the only one making some sense...

THERE'S no SUCH THING AS 'BLANK YEARS' WITH bUDDHISM.. DID YOU KNOW HE WAS A BORNE PRINCE?? & ESKEWED IT ALL?? for the life of an acestic-- REACHING EnLIGHTENMENT & NIRVANA??!

interesting.. his Life was/is almost identical with Jesus.. by the way-- Buddha was ahead of Jesus by at least 200 yrs..

THERE'S NO SHORT CUT TO HEAVEN... NONE..

THERE'S no SUCH THING AS 'BLANK YEARS' WITH bUDDHISM.. DID YOU KNOW HE WAS A BORNE PRINCE?? & ESKEWED IT ALL?? for the life of an acestic-- REACHING EnLIGHTENMENT & NIRVANA??!

interesting.. his Life was/is almost identical with Jesus.. by the way-- Buddha was ahead of Jesus by at least 200 yrs..

THERE'S NO SHORT CUT TO HEAVEN... NONE..

anyway, I have a great book on Jesus.. called the Jesus Dynasty-- people tend to forget-- HE was an ordinary man who walked this earth..it wouldn't surprise me-- one of these days-- historians find his DNA.

meAnwhile, one can find the original bodhi tree where Buddha ( when he became BUDDHA) found his ENLIGHTENMENT & NIRVANA.. bec his life wasn't politicised, exploited nor commercialised.. unlike Jesus.. whose life was/is.. why his original footsteps were preserved as is.

I'm more interested in Jesus the MAN. I don't care if he married & had children-- WHY NOT?! who cares?!

here's a movie that is a bit intriguing and will make you think...enjoy, it's about 2 hours though...

ZEITGEIST

QUOTE(alexandra @ Mar 7 2009, 06:21 PM)
anyway, I have a great book on Jesus.. called the Jesus Dynasty-- people tend to forget-- HE was an ordinary man who walked this earth..it wouldn't surprise me-- one of these days-- historians find his DNA.

meAnwhile, one can find the original bodhi tree where Buddha ( when he became BUDDHA) found his ENLIGHTENMENT & NIRVANA.. bec his life wasn't politicised, exploited nor commercialised.. unlike Jesus.. whose life was/is.. why his original footsteps were preserved as is.

I'm more interested in Jesus the MAN. I don't care if he married & had children-- WHY NOT?! who cares?!


Ascetic you mean?

For once, I'm proud of you studying comparative religions and studying other cultures.

Keep that up, you should remove any form of bigotry, and you will recieve enlightment too. No need to go a Bodhi tree.

Mary or Miriam ibn Joachi was pregnant with the man you called Jesus who will held the title as Christ which is similar to Buddhic or Khrishna. She didnt die as the mothers of buddha and khrishna died. All mothers of
God who to earth will be named Mary.
The mother of buddha was named Maya, a variation of Mary.

In her past lives mary was one time raviya, moslem mystic and saint. in china as kwan yin.

Mary is the master of the chakras kundalini and mudra.
The symbolism of Mary stepping over the serpent represents Mary as awakened kundalini

if you're ever in the States-- or if you live here, usually during Easter they do heavy duty documentaries on Jesus on the History International.. there's even a 3-4 hrs on the evoution of christianity..

One time I caught the History of the Vatican-- now, this is least known-- fascinating... THEY FOUND THE BONES OF PETER UNDER THE MAIN ALTAR-( after WW2 when they were digging to make more room for more burial chambers, they did DNA & it matched the period of Peter & where he was crucified! on his body from the bones!)- as the present Vatican is not the original basilica..

there's a Jewish historian/theologian/archeologist whose life work is following the steps? from the Bible & checking it's authenticity.. He's been doing Jesus & it's a work in progress. the other is Moses & the flight of the Jews from Eygpt.

lAlso the English are such great historians.. gosh! I miss having true conversations with them.

One must remember the original text of the Bible is very old Hebrew--one needs a scholar of this to interpret it.. the world then was also different-- they have to c heck the ancient maps. the world have changed since due to ecology.. The middle East as we know today was not as barren then....

bec of Science.. & modern technology-- the history of CIVILIZATION is being re-written.. WE LIVE IN EXCITING TIMES..
one thing though, I doubt the Vatican will ever 'accept' if they find Jesus casket-- & find He did not have the RESURRECTION.. AS THE PREMISE OF CHRISTIANITY LIES ON THIS.

It won't bother me.. it doesn't diminish his life's work.

I loved the last Pope.. boy!! did he have his work cut out for him when he ascended the Papacy-- he made amends to an awful lot of wrongs the Church have done THROUGH THE CENTURIES with their abuse of Power.. esp during the In-uisition.. He finally pardoned Galileo.. who was branded a heretic bec he discovered the world was round. pOPE pAUL wEN t through all the original court papers from the 16th century.. CAN YOU JUST IMAGINE THAT?? ADMIRABLE.. IT TOOK HIM YEARS TO PLOW THROUGH IT ALL.. AMAZING! THAT POPE HAD A TRUE CALLING OF GOD.

hhhhmmmm....can i love my neigbours wife too?

Peter was indeed crucified.. as the common practice of those times-- but UNLIKE JESUS.. HE WAS JUST BOUNDED BY ROPES.. HE SAID HE DIDN'T DESERVE TO DIE LIKE JESUS.. WITH NAILS. SO YES.. BY ACCIDENT.. THEY WERE DIGGING SO DEEPLY UNDERNEATH THAT MAIN ALTAR-- AS THE PRESENT BASILICA(BUILT IN THE 16TH CENTUTY) ENCLOSES THE ORIGINAL ONE-(LIKE 80ad)- i THINK IT WAS EVEN SLIGHTLY MOVED.

ANYWAY, AS IT TURNED OUT THERE'S A KIND OF CATACOMBS UNDERNEATH THIS ALTAR-- IT'S THE BURIAL CHAMBER FOR ALL THE POPES.. THEY KEPT DIGGING.. THEY FOUND PETER'S BONES SEPARATE FROM OTHER BONES WH WAS MORE A MASS GRAVE. HISTORIANS DATED IT. RIGHT PERIOD... RIGHT MARKINGS.. SO INDEED, WHEN PETER EXCLAIMED.. UPON THIS ROCK i;LL BUILD MY CHURCH-- IN ESSENCE-- IT IS INDEED TRUE.

i LOVED IT.. AS IT WAS FILM

AS FOR jESUS.. TURNED OUT,TOO THIS WAS A COMMON name OF THAT PERIOD. so they are being careful.

this Jewish historian followed some Jesus trail I forget what now-- there's an apt built on it.. so they cannot dig..

the christian pilgrimage in Jeruselem is not even the right one- again the Vatican meddled in that for the early Christians & just went on from there.. to the presnt day.. BUT HIS ROUTE TO CALGARY-- THE MOUNT WHERE HE WAS CRUCIFIED.. ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

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HMM.. about the Vatican.. as I recall more of this documentary-- it was outside the original GATES of ROME-- i THINK THIS AREA WAS CALLED vATICUM.. AN EMPEROR GAVE THIS LAND TO THE CHRISTIANS.. AS THE SEAT OF CHRISTENDOM WAS MOVING FROM CONSTATINOPLE-- BUT IN AN EARLIER ERA LIKE NERO'S ONWARDS-- THIS SITE WAS USED AS A MASS GRAVE FOR THE CHRISTIANS WHO DIED ... HENCE, WHY THOSE OLD BONES WERE THERE.. WHETHER BY DESIGN OR ON PURPOSE-- HOW ODD.. PETER'S BONES WERE UNDER THAT ALTAR..

what do u consider a short cut? to me a short cut is to merely say u believe that some guy is God and if u believe that he is God then ur in. with no sort of measurement of ur charater or Karma. so if the determination of ur status is based upon no act of kindness or goodwill then to me that is a short cut.

the historical Buddha Siddhartha Gautama was born to the Shakya clan, at the beginning of the Magadha period (546–324 BCE) The Śākyas formed an independent kingdom at the foothills of the Himālayas.. So the BUddha lived over 500 years before Christ, some say Jesus went east and learned from the teaching of the Buddha in those blank years, Buddhist teachings reached all the way to Iran.

I think there is some misunderstanding of where the Buddha Siddartha came from and who he is. He is not Indian, he is more East Asian from the Kingdom of Nepal. If u ever see a person from Nepal they are more east Asian and not indian. I didnt know this before but even Hindu's believe Siddartha was a Buddha and reconized him as someone who has attained enlightment.

I think ur mistaken, I cant be too literal? being too literal is like me saying did Jesus actual walk on water or brought life to the dead, or God creating the universe in 6 days and on the 7th day he had to rest as though God can get tired. that is being too literal.

What i brought about is what Jesus Actual Said. So how am i being too literal about what he actual said. The result of His very own words means that he is not divine. By no means that is not me trying to disrespect others, Im just trying to bring light to the argument.

I said u and everyone can believe in Jesus if u want, im not trying to convert anyone, Im just hoping that when someone decides to believe in something, they can do so with all the knowledge available to them, so that decision will be an educated one.

Dont u want ppl to ask questions? or do u really want everyone to believe in something blindly?

SHORT CUT?? WHAT YOUWROTE IS PARTLY TRUE.. BUT ONE'S SPIRITUAL JOURNEY IS TRULY ONE'S OWN. FIRSTLY IT STARTS FROM WITHIN..THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS WHO i MAINLY CONSIDER A PROPHET.. IS A BLUEPRINT.. HE GAVE US THE MARKERS TO FOLLOW.JESUS NEVER REALLY WANTED ANYONE TO HAVE 'BLIND FAITH'-- HE WANTED ONE TO ASK, CHALLENGE & FIND.. ONE'S OWN WAY-- & HAVE 'KNOWING FAITH.. & IT DOES COME... THEN.. HAVE THE ULTIMATE SURRENDER.. easier said than done.. i'd say as life will always make one wonder, being tested.. constantly.. until we leave this level of consiousness.. WHY, I SAY-- THERE'S NO SHORT CUTS.. NONE.


i LIKE HAVING ULTIMATE SURRENDER THOUGH.. FUNNY, HOW THIS WORKS.. BEC WHEN ONE REACHES THIS.. THEN ONE IS TOTALLY LIBERATED... & WITH IT-- ONE CAN 'COMMAND' THE UNIVERSE.. as long as one has the right reasons.. nothing less..otherwise, it'll backfire.. all very metaphisical..

ABOUT BUDDHA ,WHAT YOU WROTE IS TRUE-- HE DID COME F ROM NEPAL. IN THOSE DAYS.. (INDIA COMPRISED OF INDEPENDENT KINGDOMS ANYWAY)- THE DALAI LAMA ISN'T THERE BY ACCIDENT.. i JUST SAW THIS DOCUMENTARY IF JESUS WENT TO INDIA DURING HIS WILDERNESS YEARS.. IT'S STILL NOT COMPLETELY ASSURED... MEANWHILE, FROM MY JESUS DYNASTY BIO-- SAID HE WORKED AS A STOMEMASON WITH JOSEPH.. BUILDING THE PALACE OF HEROD.. AS HE WAS THE ELDEST-- HE HAD TO HELP HIS FAMILY.

i ANYWAY, THIS DOVUMENTARY SHOWED BUDDHA'S SHRINE.. AS IS. AMAZING. I LOVE STUFF LIKE THESE.


ASCESTIC-- AS A PRINCE HE ESKEWED EVERYTHING INCLUDING HIS WIFE & KID TO FOLLOW THIS LIFE-- MEANING.. HAVING NOTHING. HE WAS seeking for divine truths. IN OUR PRESENT DAY-- I'D SAY GANDHI CAME THE CLOSEST.. THOUGH HE DIDN'T GIVE UP HIS WIFE.

oh yes.. in theis Jesus dynasty bio-- the real new findings are.. finding the 'caves' John the Baptist used to have his secret Baptisms.. & Jesus & his apostles hid here from the Romans until he decided to face them head on entering Jeruselem for the last time.

Jesus KNEW the repercussions.. He & John were closer than even the New Testament attest.. there are pictures.. fascinating..

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Question: "Are Catholic beliefs and practices Biblical?"

Answer: The issue concerning any church and its practices should be “Is this Biblical?” If a teaching is Biblical (taken in context), it should be embraced. If it is not, it should be rejected. God is more interested in whether a church is doing His will and obeying His Word than whether it can trace a line of succession back to Jesus’ apostles. Jesus was very concerned about abandoning the Word of God to follow the traditions of men (Mark 7:7). Traditions are not inherently invalid…there are some good and valuable traditions. Again, the issue must be whether a doctrine, practice, or tradition is Biblical. How then does the Roman Catholic Church compare with the teachings of the Word of God?

Salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation is by baptismal regeneration and is maintained through the Catholic sacraments unless a willful act of sin is committed that breaks the state of sanctifying grace. The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace which is received through simple faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and that good works are the result of a change of the heart wrought in salvation (Ephesians 2:10; 2 Corinthians 5:17) and the fruit of that new life in Christ (John 15).

Assurance of salvation: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation cannot be guaranteed or assured. 1 John 5:13 states that the letter of 1 John was written for the purpose of assuring believers of the CERTAINTY of their salvation.

Good Works: The Roman Catholic Church states that Christians are saved by meritorious works (beginning with baptism) and that salvation is maintained by good works (receiving the sacraments, confession of sin to a priest, etc.) The Bible states that Christians are saved by grace through faith, totally apart from works (Titus 3:5; Ephesians 2:8-9; Galatians 3:10-11; Romans 3:19-24).

Baptism: In the New Testament baptism is ALWAYS practiced AFTER saving faith in Christ. Baptism is not the means of salvation; it is faith in the Gospel that saves (1 Corinthians 1:14-18; Romans 10:13-17). The Roman Catholic Church teaches baptismal regeneration of infants, a practice never found in Scripture. The only possible hint of infant baptism in the Bible that the Roman Catholic Church can point to is that the whole household of the Philippian jailer was baptized in Acts 16:33. However, the context nowhere mentions infants. Acts 16:31 declares that salvation is by faith. Paul spoke to all of the household in verse 32, and the whole household believed (verse 34). This passage only supports the baptism of those who have already believed, not of infants.

Prayer: The Roman Catholic Church teaches Catholics to not only pray to God, but also to petition Mary and the saints for their prayers. Contrary to this, we are taught in Scripture to only pray to God (Matthew 6:9; Luke 18:1-7).

Priesthood: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that there is a distinction between the clergy and the “lay people,” whereas the New Testament teaches the priesthood of all believers (1 Peter 2:9).

Sacraments: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that a believer is infused with grace upon reception of the sacraments. Such teaching is nowhere found in Scripture.

Confession: The Roman Catholic Church teaches that unless a believer is hindered, the only way to receive the forgiveness of sins is by confessing them to a priest. Contrary to this, Scripture teaches that confession of sins is to be made to God (1 John 1:9).

Mary: The Roman Catholic Church teaches, among other things, that Mary is the Queen of Heaven, a perpetual virgin, and the co-redemptress who ascended into heaven. In Scripture, she is portrayed as an obedient, believing servant of God, who became the mother of Jesus. None of the other attributes mentioned by the Roman Catholic Church have any basis in the Bible. The idea of Mary being the co-redemptress and another mediator between God and man is not only extra-biblical (found only outside of Scripture), but is also unbiblical (contrary to Scripture). Acts 4:12 declares that Jesus is the only redeemer. 1 Timothy 2:5 proclaims that Jesus is the only mediator between God and men.

Many other examples could be given. These issues alone clearly identify the Catholic Church as being unbiblical. Every Christian denomination has traditions and practices that are not explicitly based on Scripture. That is why Scripture must be the standard of Christian faith and practice. The Word of God is always true and reliable. The same cannot be said of church tradition. Our guideline is to be: “What does Scripture say?” (Romans 4:3; Galatians 4:30; Acts 17:11). 2 Timothy 3:16-17 declares, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”


http://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Biblical.html

you know what James?? do you even fully understand what you're posting??!

exactly what Jesus was teaching against-- DOGMA! beware of charlatans.

The doctrine of "Once Saved Always Saved" doesnt work.

You can't pray a prayer, get saved, and act like you're gonna be saved the rest of your life. You have to continually ask for forgiveness after you sin. (I'm Catholic, but I dont believe in the whole confessional thing. I just ask on my own)

If someone gets saved, and then murders someone, are they still saved? Most Born Again Christians would say "Well he was probably never saved in the first place" Ok, well that's fine, but these are the same people that say "A person can get saved and still slip up sometime, like tell a lie" Well if all sins are equal (which is what most Born Again Christians believe) then why is the guy who gets saved and murders someone "never saved in the first place", but the guy who gets saved and lies "just slipped up"? Aren't all sins equal? Aren't lying and murdering equally as bad?

That's why I dont believe in the concept of getting saved. Someone is saved when they get to heaven and are perfect and can sin no more. While on earth, we sin, but we can ask for forgiveness and be forgiven. In every decision we make in life, we choose to accept Jesus. It's not just a one time thing that we pray and then we're saved for the rest of our lives.


Also read this:



Clearly this is talking about someone who once had faith in Jesus but did not remain in Jesus. So you can loose your salvation. A person has to keep the faith and remain in Jesus. They cant just expect Jesus to make them stay faithful

I understand why i post it, and you the one who need to read and understand it.

for it is from the word of God, the bible.

it is not against Jesus but it is from God.

as He said Know the truth and the truth shall set u free...

beware of modern hypocrite that know not the Word of God and living on sins.

Question: "Once saved always saved?"

Answer: Once a person is saved are they always saved? When people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their salvation as eternally secure. Numerous passages of Scripture declare this fact. (a) Romans 8:30 declares, "And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified." This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed - he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.

(b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died more than that, who was raised to life - is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us." Who will bring a charge against God's elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns. We have both the advocate and judge as our Savior.

© Believers are born again (regenerated) when they believe (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). For a Christian to lose his salvation, he would have to be un-regenerated. The Bible gives no evidence that the new birth can be taken away. (d) The Holy Spirit indwells all believers (John 14:17; Romans 8:9) and baptizes all believers into the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). For a believer to become unsaved, he would have to be "un-indwelt" and detached from the Body of Christ.

(e) John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all. Hence if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error. (f) For the most conclusive argument, I think Scripture says it best itself, "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:38-39). Remember the same God who saved you is the same God who will keep you. Once we are saved we are always saved. Our salvation is most definitely eternally secure!

http://www.gotquestions.org/once-saved-always-saved.html

Ang isang tunay na sumampalataya kay Hesus at naligtas.

ay tama ang bunga bilang patotoo at bilang isang tunay na Kristiano.

ang buhay na walang hanggan ay pangako ng Diyos sa mga tupa niya.

at ito ay eternal na buhay sa langit na uuwian ng mga Kanya bago pa man likhain ang sanlibutan.

ang sinasabing vine dun is yung gawa ng mga Kristiano at patotoo na susunugin sa apoy kung ito ay hindi tama ito ay itatapon sa labas at tatapaktapakan lamang ng mga hindi mananampalataya ito ay itatapon ng anghel sa apoy at maglalaho, at kung ito ay hindi masunog dahil ito ay tama magiging gantimpala sa langit.

I think I have already Proven to you That Jesus was Not Divine, so how then can he be God. God is the alpha and Omega, If Jesus did not know what his purpose in life was, and he had to be enlightened, then he cant be God. God cant be enlightened.

IF Christ was NOT Divine, then Christianity as a religion Does Not exist, so you sir are merely worshiping a Man and not God.

In the End, NO ONE can save you but urself. Salvation is achieved by you and not Jesus, since Jesus is not even divine, Even God cant save you.

Divine spark is in each in every one of us. Christhood and Buddhahood can be achieved by everyone but not without undergoing various trials. Happy is the man who can achieve Perfection, Union with the Divine in just one incarnation. Many ascended masters in various cultures and history, have lived many past lives before achieving what we called Cosmic Consciousness, even the man Gautama and the one we called Jesus. Jesus is a Man. But Christ the office occupied by Jesus is of the Divine. Jesus has achived perfect union with the Divine. Therefore, he is both a Man and a God.

The Man Gautama achieved enlightment, this is his story, when someone asked him, is he man or God, he answered, I'm awakened.

Jesus story is that he was always divine, the church doesnt teach that Jesus was man and then achieved divinity. God cant achieve divinity, if Jesus was not God in the begining he can't be god in the future. If Jesus is unknowing then he cant unite with a Divine being, which would cause that being to not be perfect, Jesus did not know and now he knows after being told, if he is one with God, then God at one point is unknowing also. God cant simply erase the past, because his exact words are written in the bible, if his union with Jesus is true, then God retains all the faults that was inherent in Jesus, making GOd inperfect. unless u and me both wake up one day, and the words of his imperfection somehow dissappeared from the bible unknowing to us, then maybe he can erase it. lolzzz

Jesus story that He is always divine is the dogma started during the council of Nicea.

I agree with you totally.

Jesus was Elisha, disciple of Elijah(John the Baptist) and as the King Melchizedek prior to his Ascension as the Christ. It should be noted by people who know esoterics(hidden knowledge) like the masons, theosophists, spiritualists, mystics, the statement... Jesus is a priest forever of the Order of Melchizedek.

Like the gautama, had many pastlives prior his asssumption as the Buddha as he recalled during his meditations under the Bodhi tree.

We are waiting for the coming of Maitreya Buddha, the long awaited One. The Coming of the Christ to usher the coming Golden Age.

Question: "Who is Jesus Christ?"

Answer: Who is Jesus Christ? Unlike the question, "Does God exist?", very few people have questioned whether Jesus Christ existed. It is generally accepted that Jesus was truly a man who walked on the earth in Israel almost 2000 years ago. The debate begins when the subject of Jesus' full identity is discussed. Almost every major religion teaches that Jesus was a prophet, or a good teacher, or a godly man. The problem is, the Bible tells us that Jesus was infinitely more than a prophet, a good teacher, or a godly man.

C.S. Lewis in his book Mere Christianity writes the following: "I am trying here to prevent anyone from saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him [Jesus Christ]: 'I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept his claim to be God.' That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic -- on a level with a man who says he is a poached egg -- or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse .... You can shut him up for fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon; or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. But let us not come up with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that option open to us. He did not intend to."

So, who did Jesus claim to be? Who does the Bible say He was? First, let's look at Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” At first glance, this might not seem to be a claim to be God. However, look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement, “We are not stoning you for any of these, replied the Jews, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God” (John 10:33). The Jews understood Jesus’ statement to be a claim to be God. In the following verses, Jesus never corrects the Jews by saying, “I did not claim to be God.” That indicates Jesus was truly saying He was God by declaring, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). John 8:58 is another example. Jesus proclaimed, “I tell you the truth, Jesus answered, before Abraham was born, I am!” Again, in response, the Jews take up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus (John 8:59). Jesus announcing His identity as “I am” is a direct application of the Old Testament name for God (Exodus 3:14). Why would the Jews again want to stone Jesus if He hadn’t said something they believed to be blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God?

John 1:1 says that “the Word was God.” John 1:14 says that “the Word became flesh.” This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh. Thomas the disciple declared to Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. The Apostle Paul describes Him as, “…our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13). The Apostle Peter says the same, “…our God and Savior Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 1:1). God the Father is witness of Jesus’ full identity as well, “But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.” Old Testament prophecies of Christ announce His deity, “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

So, as C.S. Lewis argued, believing Jesus to be a good teacher is not an option. Jesus clearly and undeniably claimed to be God. If He is not God, then He is a liar, and therefore not a prophet, good teacher, or godly man. In attempts to explain the words of Jesus away, modern “scholars” claim the “true historical Jesus” did not say many of the things the Bible attributes to Him. Who are we to argue with God’s Word concerning what Jesus did or did not say? How can a “scholar” two-thousand years removed from Jesus have better insight into what Jesus did or did not say than those who lived with, served with, and were taught by Jesus Himself (John 14:26)?

Why is the question over Jesus’ true identity so important? Why does it matter whether or not Jesus is God? The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2). Only God could pay such an infinite penalty (Romans 5:8; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus had to be God so that He could pay our debt. Jesus had to be man so He could die. Salvation is available only through faith in Jesus Christ! Jesus’ deity is why He is the only way of salvation. Jesus’ deity is why He proclaimed, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6).

http://www.gotquestions.org/who-is-Jesus.html

God and Jesus did not want Humans to be perfect because no Human is perfect. God and Jesus just wanted Humans to be good and protect them with the Holy Spirit.

God never required us to be perfect and good beyond our limitation, but God ask as our FAITH that matter and bring fruits for Him, He wants us to be saved tru Jesus Christ our Lord and after we got salvation is to be a testimony and good example as a fruit.

Note: That those who accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour will be guided by the Holy Spirit and comforted as promise of Lord God to His followers.

Since Jesus came into my heart.

What a wonderful change in my life has been wrought
Since Jesus came into my heart!
I have light in my soul for which long I had sought,
Since Jesus came into my heart!

Refrain

Since Jesus came into my heart,
Since Jesus came into my heart,
Floods of joy o’er my soul
Like the sea billows roll,
Since Jesus came into my heart.

I have ceased from my wandering and going astray,
Since Jesus came into my heart!
And my sins, which were many, are all washed away,
Since Jesus came into my heart!

Refrain

I’m possessed of a hope that is steadfast and sure,
Since Jesus came into my heart!
And no dark clouds of doubt now my pathway obscure,
Since Jesus came into my heart!

Refrain

There’s a light in the valley of death now for me,
Since Jesus came into my heart!
And the gates of the City beyond I can see,
Since Jesus came into my heart!

Refrain

I shall go there to dwell in that City, I know,
Since Jesus came into my heart!
And I’m happy, so happy, as onward I go,
Since Jesus came into my heart!

Refrain

lol, Catholic christians vs. radical christians this is like trying to prove wether the cookie monster under your bed is wearing a gray hat or a red hat... lolol

Dont fret, Catholics tend to be the milder ones although there are some exceptions, on the other hand, theres Westboro, Evangelicals, Baptits, Latter Day Saints, oh and dont forget the pairs of Jehovah witnesses all gleeful.

REALLY if there is one of those pair who hands me this


I'll give them in the spirit of gift giving this




Charity.

On earth every human being has two teachers: firstly, himself or herself, and secondly, fate. What man is not able to achieve by his own diligence, practice, renunciation, pain, grief, etc., will be served up to him by disappointments and buffets of fate. Life is a school, not an amusement fair. Over and over again, man on this earth is challenged to learn, to develop, to perfect himself. He may enjoy the good; he should learn from the evil; but he must never say die, for nothing on this globe happens without good reason; everything that befalls him happens with good reasons and always at the right time. It is up to man himself to encounter all events courageously and to gain a wealth of knowledge therefrom for his own advancement.

Many times our fellow men are argued and even persuaded into a special turn of mind, and here we often learn by experience that the various representatives of the different ideas cherish revengeful feelings towards each other for professional jealousy or for better knowing. The mystic will feel nothing but pity for people and creeds like that, but he will never hate or despise anyone. Whosoever seeks God, and whatever may be the way he chooses to lead him toward this goal, shall be paid his due respect. It is a pity but also the truth that the clergy, theosophists, spiritualists or whatever they are called are antagonistically inclined just as if only their chosen path leads to God. All men seeking this path to, and union with, God should always remember the words of Jesus Christ, the great Master of the mystics who said, "Love thy neighbor as thyself". This sentence ought to be a sacred command to any seeker of illumination on this spiritual path.

Many of the beings who had to leave our material world and who had no opportunity at all on this planet to attain the true cognition in the spirit complained in the higher spheres about the fact that the true knowledge reserved so long to the chosen ones in the past is not obtainable here below. Consequently the mysteries that have been kept as secrets for thousands of years now are being revealed step by step by Divine Providence to those inhabitants of this earth who honestly long for the truth and perception. Evidently the benefits of perception will never come overnight; they have to be acquired in very hard labor and with many difficulties and obstructions. A great number of people, if not most of them, will prefer to become convinced first of the truth of the rules to have faith, and only then will they make up their minds to enter the path of initiation. The honest mystic will realize that this attitude of Man is the wrong one. He is convinced that one has to be trained and educated for the faith by the initiation. By the mere reading of sacred works or mysteries one can of course achieve an intellectual knowledge, but not wisdom. Knowledge can be gained by transference, but wisdom must be acquired by experience and recognition, the latter depending on the spiritual maturity of the individual. And this maturity again is determined by the spiritual development that is formed on the path to initiation.

But before entering the spiritual path, everyone should ask himself whether he will regard true initiation practically as his religion, i.e., his life task which he is intent on fulfilling in spite of whatever hindrances and difficulties may be put into his way, and whether he will try hard to pursue and never to run away from this path as soon as he has entered it. It has to be taken for granted that an enormous, almost superhuman amount of endurance and patience, a tenacious willpower and secrecy regarding his progress are the fundamental conditions. These are the paths to Buddhahood, Christhood, or Sainthood who can perform miraculous feats because of their union with the Divine. As Christ said, what I can do, you can do it too and even greater.