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China says Dalai Lama wants a "Greater Tibet"

07 March 2009

BEIJING - China on Saturday accused the Dalai Lama of seeking to carve out a "Greater Tibet" and warned other countries to shun contact with him just days before a sensitive anniversary in the tense region.

Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi's comments come amid a lockdown of Tibetan regions for Tuesday's 50th anniversary of a failed uprising against Chinese rule that sent the Dalai Lama into exile.

"The Dalai side still insist on establishing a so-called Greater Tibet on a quarter of China's territory," Yang told a press conference on the sidelines of the annual parliamentary session in Beijing.

"They want to drive away the Chinese armed forces on Chinese territory and ask all non-Tibetans to relocate themselves, people who have long spent their lives in that part of Chinese territory," he said.

"You call this person a religious figure?"

The Dalai Lama, 74, who accuses China of cultural repression in Tibet, has repeatedly denied Beijing's accusations. He says he seeks only meaningful autonomy for the region.

In another sign of growing vigilance ahead of next week's anniversary, the Tibet Daily on Saturday carried a front-page article showing the region's Communist chief, Zhang Qingli, visiting riot police.

"We must keep a watchful eye, and with clenched fists, constantly be on the alert," Zhang was quoted as telling the officers, dressed in full protective gear.

"We must resolutely and directly strike at criminal elements who dare to stir up incidents. We must foil the separatist schemes of the Dalai clique," Zhang said in Friday's meeting.

China meanwhile detained two Tibetan women on Thursday for protesting in a Tibetan part of Sichuan province in the southwest, the International Campaign for Tibet said in a statement.

"The two women, a nun and layperson, staged separate protests in Kardze town, handing out leaflets and calling for the return of the Dalai Lama to Tibet," said the statement, issued Saturday.

Following a bitter spat with Europe over a December meeting between French President Nicolas Sarkozy and the Dalai Lama, Yang warned other countries that friendly relations with China hinged on rejecting the exiled monk.

"In developing relations with China, other countries should not allow the Dalai Lama to visit their countries or allow their territories to be used by the Dalai Lama to engage in separatist activities," he said.

"This is an integral part of the norms governing international relations."

Unrest has simmered in Tibet since violent anti-Chinese riots erupted a year ago on the 49th anniversary of the 1959 uprising.

Activist groups said China had hugely increased security across the region although several protests have already taken place in recent weeks.

(Channel News Asia)
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Down with the Dalai Lama

By Brendan O'Neill

Why do western commentators idolise a celebrity monk who hangs out with Sharon Stone and once guest-edited French Vogue?

Has there ever been a political figure more ridiculous than the Dalai Lama? This is the "humble monk" who forswears worldly goods in favour of living a simple life dressed in maroon robes. Yet in 1992 he guest-edited French Vogue, the bible of the decadent high-fashion classes, which is packed with pictures of the half-starved daughters of the aristocracy modelling skirts and shirts that most of us could never afford.

He claims to be the current incarnation of the Tulkus line of Buddhist masters, who are "exempt from the wheel of death and rebirth". Yet he's best known for hanging out with clueless western celebs like Richard Gere and Sharon Stone (who is still most famous for showing her vagina on the big screen). Stone once introduced the Dalai Lama at a glittering fundraising ball as "Mr Please, Please, Please Let Me Back Into China!"

The Dalai Lama says he wants Tibetan autonomy and political independence. Yet he allows himself to be used as a tool by western powers keen to humiliate China. Between the late 1950s and 1974, he is alleged to have received around $15,000 a month, or $180,000 a year, from the CIA. He has also been, according to the same reporter, "remarkably nepotistic", promoting his brothers and their wives to positions of extraordinary power in his fiefdom-in-exile in Dharamsala, northern India.

He poses as the quirky, giggly, modern monk who once auctioned his Land Rover on eBay for $80,000 and has even done an advert for Apple (quite what skinny white computers have got to do with Buddhism is anybody's guess). Yet in truth he is a product of the crushing feudalism of archaic, pre-modern Tibet, where an elite of Buddhist monks treated the masses as serfs and ruthlessly punished them if they stepped out of line.

The Dalai Lama demands religious freedom. Yet he persecutes a Buddhist sect that worships a deity called Dorje Shugden. He outlawed praying to Dorje Shugden in 1996, and those who defied his writ were thrown out of their jobs, mocked in the streets and even had their homes smashed up by heavy-handed officials from his government-in-exile. When worshippers complained about their treatment, they were told by representatives of the Dalai Lama that "concepts like democracy and freedom of religion are empty when it comes to the wellbeing of the Dalai Lama".

As the Dalai Lama tours Britain, lots of people are asking: why won't Brown receive him at Downing Street? I have a different question: why should Brown, who for all his troubles is still the head of an elected political party, meet with an authoritarian, fame-chasing, Apple-loving monk?

The Dalai Lama has effectively been turned into a cartoon good guy. In America and western Europe, where backward anti-modern sentiments are widespread amongst self-loathing sections of the educated and the elite, the Dalai Lama has been embraced as a living, breathing representative of unsullied goodness. Despite the fact that he advertises Apple, guest-edits Vogue and drives a Land Rover, he is held up as evidence that living the simple eastern life is preferable to, in the words of Philip Rawson, westerners' "gradually more pointless pursuit of material satisfactions". Just as earlier generations of disillusioned aristocrats fell in love with a fictional version of Tibet (Shangri-La), so contemporary un-progressives idolise a fictional image of the Dalai Lama.

Most strikingly, the Dalai Lama is used as a battering ram by western governments in their culture war with China. The reason he is flattered by world leaders and bankrolled by the CIA is not because these institutions care very much for liberty in Tibet, but rather because they want to ratchet up international pressure on their new competitors in world politics: the Chinese. You don't have to be a defender of the authoritarian regime in Beijing (and I most certainly am not) to see that such global sabre-rattling is more likely to entrench tensions between the Tibetan people and China, and increase instability in world affairs, rather than herald anything like a new era of freedom in the east.

Far from "helping Tibet", the slavish western worshippers of the Dalai Lama are helping to stifle the development of a real, lively movement for liberty and democracy in the Tibetan regions. One author on the Tibetan independence movement argues that "the Dalai Lama's role as ultimate spiritual authority is holding back the political process of democratisation", since "the assumption that he occupies the correct moral ground from a spiritual perspective means that any challenge to his political authority may be interpreted as anti-religious".

At least one reason why the Dalai Lama can pose as "the ultimate spiritual authority" and all-round supreme leader of Tibetans and their future is because influential elements in the west have empowered him to play that role. In doing so, they have been complicit in the infantilisation of the Tibetan people. Tibetans now suffer the double horror of being ruled by undemocratic Chinese officials on one hand, and demeaned by the Dalai Lama and his western supporters on the other.

(The Guardian)
Yinheidi
The Dalai Lama is only looking out for his people. His critics largely ignore the argument that the Dalai Lama, if he cared only about himself, could've struck a compromise with the CCP a long time ago and returned as a pampered high official. China realizes the importance of the Dalai Lama in the Tibetan cultural and religious consciousness, which is why China has steered the negotiations towards the Dalai Lama's personal future in China and offered him a place so long as he "reforms his politics."
Bulldogg
Who cares about the Dalai Lama, he's a wimp.
MoonChain
Poor Tibet, so unfortunate are those people to have such a long unobrstucted border with the Han Tribes. Over the centures several armies have invaded and taken their "King of the Hill" crown from them. Land locked with few natural resources, its just a huge chunk of barren, frigid grassland, of not much value. Fact is where Tibet's value lies is in its rich culture of deeply buddhist people, delete them, erase their culture and history and Tibet is GONE! Phffft! Never existed. Start over.

For invading armies the people of Tibet are like fish in a barrel. Why does China claim it? Because Tibet is the No. 1 country on the 20th centuries "Easiest Lands to Invade and Hold" list. Because Mao's army could take the land from Tibetans without serious fighting or the pain of injuries - they took it. They took Tibet because they could not take anything from anyone else, not even a tiny island called Kinmen 2 miles off its souther shore.

Tibet is Mao's Beyatch! It is China's valuable population control testing range, very usefull in advancing the Chinese leaderships knowledge and research into "History Re-writing", "Character assasination of Rivals", "Controling Mass Populations", "Media Blocking","Sinocization" the list is endless.
Come on Tibet lovers - Give China a break! China has so many people that might revolt at anytime. They need the Tibetans to test new methods of crushing opposition to their one party mob rule. It would be so simple to let China have Tibet as deleting people is much much less disasterous to the global economy, USA and European shoppers than the alternative of deleting the communist government.

The Han are severly clanish. Historically the people are fiercely tribal, even today each big city the native people speak their own language. Democracy in China wont work, they would destroy each other. Only Socialism, authoritarian unchalenged rule can control the Han.

Tibet = Delete.

ONLYto be independent they would need to depend on their neighbors. To understand the China-Tibet issue you must
Suijen
QUOTE(Yinheidi @ Mar 8 2009, 08:12 AM) [snapback]4155685[/snapback]
The Dalai Lama is only looking out for his people. His critics largely ignore the argument that the Dalai Lama, if he cared only about himself, could've struck a compromise with the CCP a long time ago and returned as a pampered high official. China realizes the importance of the Dalai Lama in the Tibetan cultural and religious consciousness, which is why China has steered the negotiations towards the Dalai Lama's personal future in China and offered him a place so long as he "reforms his politics."


If he has allowed himself to be governor of Tibet, he could have done a lot more for his people.
liumang
fu-k that $hit. who cares. as far as I am concerned:

taiwan, hong kong and tibet have always been CHINA.
I grew up in the states learning about CHina from my hero, Li Xiao Long.
back in the 70s i knew of all the power struggles and realized after I moved to beijing many years later that:

this type of issue is always in existence and quite frankly it is nothing more than power hungry people complaining about losing their $hit. fu-k tibet. free everyone.
China rules!!!

ChinaSoldier6
QUOTE(Yinheidi @ Mar 7 2009, 04:12 PM) [snapback]4155685[/snapback]
The Dalai Lama is only looking out for his people. His critics largely ignore the argument that the Dalai Lama, if he cared only about himself, could've struck a compromise with the CCP a long time ago and returned as a pampered high official. China realizes the importance of the Dalai Lama in the Tibetan cultural and religious consciousness, which is why China has steered the negotiations towards the Dalai Lama's personal future in China and offered him a place so long as he "reforms his politics."

Just how does making impossible demands, stirring up Chinese nationalist sentiment help the Tibetan people at home? He'd have been far more influential on China if he returned according to China's program. Btw not everyone in Tibet worships DL, and many worship Bud Great Helmsman Mao Zedong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC5NzSUjVAE
Lorax
QUOTE(Yinheidi @ Mar 7 2009, 06:12 PM) [snapback]4155685[/snapback]
The Dalai Lama is only looking out for his people. His critics largely ignore the argument that the Dalai Lama, if he cared only about himself, could've struck a compromise with the CCP a long time ago and returned as a pampered high official. China realizes the importance of the Dalai Lama in the Tibetan cultural and religious consciousness, which is why China has steered the negotiations towards the Dalai Lama's personal future in China and offered him a place so long as he "reforms his politics."



wow, that was an incredibly ignorant statement even by western standards. the dalai lama is treated as a god by his TGIE and many exiles and also as a god by many western celebs and occasional heads of state. the CCP and most Chinese do not see him as a god and will not confer the same kinds of previledges on him as he has been recieving in exile.
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