Hey everyone, I need someone to 告诉我 and clarify this little predicament for me.
I've been hearing a lot of talk about wealth inequality and whatnot, especially in the US and China, and people have been talking about how unfair it is.
But then...in an advanced industrial economy, job salaries are formed in pyramids, with the most common and lowest paid jobs supporting the very top ones.
For example,
If a Janitor gets paid $10, an office worker will get paid $20, a manager will be paid $40, and a CEO will be paid $80.
If you increase the wage of the Janitor to $15, wouldn't you have to increase the wages of everyone else also? Otherwise an office worker would get paid the same amount as a Janitor, and that would seem unfair to the office worker.
Such is the case, in an economy such as this, wouldn't inequality be naturally a part of the system?
Full Version: Inequality Necessary in Industrial Societies?
To some degree, I believe so.
Wages adjusted for inflation in America haven't gone up in the past 30 years. What are you talking about? And it would be more like Janitor $10, Office worker $30, CEO $50,000
QUOTE(Suijen @ Mar 14 2009, 08:46 PM) [snapback]4165374[/snapback]
Hey everyone, I need someone to 告诉我 and clarify this little predicament for me.
I've been hearing a lot of talk about wealth inequality and whatnot, especially in the US and China, and people have been talking about how unfair it is.
But then...in an advanced industrial economy, job salaries are formed in pyramids, with the most common and lowest paid jobs supporting the very top ones.
For example,
If a Janitor gets paid $10, an office worker will get paid $20, a manager will be paid $40, and a CEO will be paid $80.
If you increase the wage of the Janitor to $15, wouldn't you have to increase the wages of everyone else also? Otherwise an office worker would get paid the same amount as a Janitor, and that would seem unfair to the office worker.
Such is the case, in an economy such as this, wouldn't inequality be naturally a part of the system?
I've been hearing a lot of talk about wealth inequality and whatnot, especially in the US and China, and people have been talking about how unfair it is.
But then...in an advanced industrial economy, job salaries are formed in pyramids, with the most common and lowest paid jobs supporting the very top ones.
For example,
If a Janitor gets paid $10, an office worker will get paid $20, a manager will be paid $40, and a CEO will be paid $80.
If you increase the wage of the Janitor to $15, wouldn't you have to increase the wages of everyone else also? Otherwise an office worker would get paid the same amount as a Janitor, and that would seem unfair to the office worker.
Such is the case, in an economy such as this, wouldn't inequality be naturally a part of the system?
agreed otherwise there would be no tool as motivation for people to go to school and help their nation in the sciences or other white collar jobs...
Ideally, a nation converted to Christianity would not have huge differences between rich and poor. The Bible teaches us to share the wealth. However, people from capitalist nations often have a spirit of greed along with arrogance. For example, a doctor should make more than a janitor but not keep huge amounts. If he does obtain huge amounts than a huge percentage should be given to the poor via the church.
QUOTE(TheHero @ Mar 16 2009, 11:32 AM) [snapback]4167102[/snapback]
Ideally, a nation converted to Christianity would not have huge differences between rich and poor. The Bible teaches us to share the wealth. However, people from capitalist nations often have a spirit of greed along with arrogance. For example, a doctor should make more than a janitor but not keep huge amounts. If he does obtain huge amounts than a huge percentage should be given to the poor via the church.
You mean tithing?
Even if I were chriatian/ a church goer, I wouldn't have much faith in that my tithe would go back into the poor/ community instead of a huge plasma screen or a paid programming spot on channel 5.
The idea of me studying hard, working hard and living in the same squallor as Jimmy Bob who drinks on his janitorial job does not sit well with me in the least. I'd rather empty my own waste bin every day.
isn't that another word for specialization. lol.
QUOTE(Suijen @ Mar 14 2009, 07:46 PM) [snapback]4165374[/snapback]
hola... yes I would agree with you totally, as a Christian missionary many times I'm just and observer of the societies that I'm involved with, and what you write about is practiced world wide.
However, in China's -according to the writings of Bette Bao- recent past, it was frown upon and millions died at the hands of those who tried to equalize their society.
It is very difficult reading for me personally, of the absolute fear, that was brought into a society, that has plowed along from generation to generation, to be so disturbed by those who had tried to make all equal, a sad part of China's rich history. Norman
QUOTE(ClearBlueWater @ Mar 16 2009, 10:59 AM) [snapback]4167114[/snapback]
You mean tithing?
Even if I were chriatian/ a church goer, I wouldn't have much faith in that my tithe would go back into the poor/ community instead of a huge plasma screen or a paid programming spot on channel 5.
The idea of me studying hard, working hard and living in the same squallor as Jimmy Bob who drinks on his janitorial job does not sit well with me in the least. I'd rather empty my own waste bin every day.
Even if I were chriatian/ a church goer, I wouldn't have much faith in that my tithe would go back into the poor/ community instead of a huge plasma screen or a paid programming spot on channel 5.
The idea of me studying hard, working hard and living in the same squallor as Jimmy Bob who drinks on his janitorial job does not sit well with me in the least. I'd rather empty my own waste bin every day.
I agree with you. Tithing should go to the poor. But it just goes to fund ministries. And of course the people giving expect to get something back (riches and prosperity). The people have the wrong motive.
I think doctors deserve more money. But doctors in the USA are very greedy (due to their sin). They have too much money and probably the education has made many arrogant.
Why would they deserve more money?
Doctors and lawyers make more money [at least off the bat] because they pay more for school. 
You may think they have too much money but the money they spend gives other people jobs and wages.
You may think they have too much money but the money they spend gives other people jobs and wages.
QUOTE(Suijen @ Mar 14 2009, 08:46 PM) [snapback]4165374[/snapback]
Hey everyone, I need someone to 告诉我 and clarify this little predicament for me.
I've been hearing a lot of talk about wealth inequality and whatnot, especially in the US and China, and people have been talking about how unfair it is.
But then...in an advanced industrial economy, job salaries are formed in pyramids, with the most common and lowest paid jobs supporting the very top ones.
For example,
If a Janitor gets paid $10, an office worker will get paid $20, a manager will be paid $40, and a CEO will be paid $80.
If you increase the wage of the Janitor to $15, wouldn't you have to increase the wages of everyone else also? Otherwise an office worker would get paid the same amount as a Janitor, and that would seem unfair to the office worker.
Such is the case, in an economy such as this, wouldn't inequality be naturally a part of the system?
I've been hearing a lot of talk about wealth inequality and whatnot, especially in the US and China, and people have been talking about how unfair it is.
But then...in an advanced industrial economy, job salaries are formed in pyramids, with the most common and lowest paid jobs supporting the very top ones.
For example,
If a Janitor gets paid $10, an office worker will get paid $20, a manager will be paid $40, and a CEO will be paid $80.
If you increase the wage of the Janitor to $15, wouldn't you have to increase the wages of everyone else also? Otherwise an office worker would get paid the same amount as a Janitor, and that would seem unfair to the office worker.
Such is the case, in an economy such as this, wouldn't inequality be naturally a part of the system?
if janitor is more needed than office worker
why should raise the pay of office worker >?
as simple as that.
if it work according the system world supposed to be better place to live.
its not about in equality its about fair.
in fact not, useless actress got paid, with stupid scandal $hit. lazy dictator got huge castle.
lazy butt technology patent bloodsucker got their rolalties.
wtf ....
QUOTE(Suijen @ Mar 14 2009, 08:46 PM) [snapback]4165374[/snapback]
Hey everyone, I need someone to 告诉我 and clarify this little predicament for me.
I've been hearing a lot of talk about wealth inequality and whatnot, especially in the US and China, and people have been talking about how unfair it is.
But then...in an advanced industrial economy, job salaries are formed in pyramids, with the most common and lowest paid jobs supporting the very top ones.
For example,
If a Janitor gets paid $10, an office worker will get paid $20, a manager will be paid $40, and a CEO will be paid $80.
If you increase the wage of the Janitor to $15, wouldn't you have to increase the wages of everyone else also? Otherwise an office worker would get paid the same amount as a Janitor, and that would seem unfair to the office worker.
Such is the case, in an economy such as this, wouldn't inequality be naturally a part of the system?
I've been hearing a lot of talk about wealth inequality and whatnot, especially in the US and China, and people have been talking about how unfair it is.
But then...in an advanced industrial economy, job salaries are formed in pyramids, with the most common and lowest paid jobs supporting the very top ones.
For example,
If a Janitor gets paid $10, an office worker will get paid $20, a manager will be paid $40, and a CEO will be paid $80.
If you increase the wage of the Janitor to $15, wouldn't you have to increase the wages of everyone else also? Otherwise an office worker would get paid the same amount as a Janitor, and that would seem unfair to the office worker.
Such is the case, in an economy such as this, wouldn't inequality be naturally a part of the system?
Between a janitor and a doctor, what YOU are willing to pay for their services, aka 'wages', depends on what you VALUE in the knowledge required to perform those tasks, so the moment you placed a higher value of one over the other inequality exists, even if there are equal numbers of janitors and doctors. This desire to produce unequal 'evaluations' is natural, has very little to do with whether a society is 'industrialized' or not and have always been the norm throughout history from the moment human communes came to be. If you increase the janitor's value, it will be natural that YOU, and that mean everyone else as well, will also be compelled to reassess the doctor's value. Are you willing to decrease the doctor's value in the quest to erase 'inequality'? The hue and cry about 'unfair' is often more out of petty jealousy than of legitimate concerns.
There isn't much motivation to study hard and work if a doctor gets the same as a janitor. Of course if the whole world were full of real Christians then holiness would be the motivation. However, that isn't the case so there is no motivator. The threat of imprisonment is the motivator in a communist nation.
QUOTE(Suijen @ Mar 14 2009, 07:46 PM) [snapback]4165374[/snapback]
Hey everyone, I need someone to 告诉我 and clarify this little predicament for me.
I've been hearing a lot of talk about wealth inequality and whatnot, especially in the US and China, and people have been talking about how unfair it is.
But then...in an advanced industrial economy, job salaries are formed in pyramids, with the most common and lowest paid jobs supporting the very top ones.
For example,
If a Janitor gets paid $10, an office worker will get paid $20, a manager will be paid $40, and a CEO will be paid $80.
If you increase the wage of the Janitor to $15, wouldn't you have to increase the wages of everyone else also? Otherwise an office worker would get paid the same amount as a Janitor, and that would seem unfair to the office worker.
Such is the case, in an economy such as this, wouldn't inequality be naturally a part of the system?
I've been hearing a lot of talk about wealth inequality and whatnot, especially in the US and China, and people have been talking about how unfair it is.
But then...in an advanced industrial economy, job salaries are formed in pyramids, with the most common and lowest paid jobs supporting the very top ones.
For example,
If a Janitor gets paid $10, an office worker will get paid $20, a manager will be paid $40, and a CEO will be paid $80.
If you increase the wage of the Janitor to $15, wouldn't you have to increase the wages of everyone else also? Otherwise an office worker would get paid the same amount as a Janitor, and that would seem unfair to the office worker.
Such is the case, in an economy such as this, wouldn't inequality be naturally a part of the system?
This is a human problem. Political systems cannot solve this problem.
>This is a human problem. Political systems cannot solve this problem.
these is the basic thing
Social system could place people on the stair far more precise than any political system. And the only things which are needed to equaly allow people to climb on that stair are equal access to the eduaction and basic welfare. Just because the tallent ration doesn't differ through the social layers.
these is the basic thingSocial system could place people on the stair far more precise than any political system. And the only things which are needed to equaly allow people to climb on that stair are equal access to the eduaction and basic welfare. Just because the tallent ration doesn't differ through the social layers.
Only if people are willing to help themselves
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