I randomly was searching about my people the Khmu and I was reading this post from around
march of last year 2008 and it seems like not a lot of people understand that Khmu is similar
but different than the khmer.
We have a few words in common like the word 1 moi, fish ca , kawn child
but other than that I don't know.
I might be wrong but Khmu and Khmer might have the same root
At least that's what I heard. Khmu means human and if Khmer means human or man
then in that case we must have a closer relation than I thought.
Anyways our language sounds
less khmeric and not really Lao even with the huge amount of loan words.
Another misconception I had read was that Khmu were remnants of the Angkorean Empire left in what is now
Meuang Lao, which I believe isn't right as we had our own independent city states (but we killed our king
and things haven't been solid from there on)
My point is Khmu is to Khmer as Black Americans are to Africans (maybe even more distant)
* You know what I'll release a Khmu Rap/Poem soon and see what you think
Full Version: Khmu
What does Issara mean in your language? Liberator?
QUOTE(XmuIssara @ Mar 21 2009, 03:29 AM) [snapback]4172311[/snapback]
I randomly was searching about my people the Khmu and I was reading this post from around march of last year 2008 and it seems like not a lot of people understand that Khmu is similar but different than the khmer. We have a few words in common like the word 1 moi, fish ca , kawn child but other than that I don't know. I might be wrong but Khmu and Khmer might have the same root At least that's what I heard. Khmu means human and if Khmer means human or man then in that case we must have a closer relation than I thought. Anyways our language sounds less khmeric and not really Lao even with the huge amount of loan words. Another misconception I had read was that Khmu were remnants of the Angkorean Empire left in what is now Meuang Lao, which I believe isn't right as we had our own independent city states (but we killed our king and things haven't been solid from there on) My point is Khmu is to Khmer as Black Americans are to Africans (maybe even more distant) * You know what I'll release a Khmu Rap/Poem soon and see what you think
This is a good read. Thanks for sharing a little information about your Khmu people, XmuIssara. I have always thought the Mon-Khmer families are wide and varied. What was the relation between the Khmu and the Khmer of Chenla, do you know? If you must know there were many Mon-Khmer small city states within the Khmer Empire. This is my reply to your question of what the term Khmer is: Khmer does not mean "people" as the word "Khmu" is. Khmer means the descendants of the Indian King Kambu (Kaundinya) and the Khmer Queen Mera (Soma) or Liyiev in Chinese. Their country name of Kampuchea is derived from a sanskrit word. Likewise in Sanskrit, Khmer is called Khemarak Jhun (Khmer People). Their king is called Khemarak Phumen or Khmer King. The members of the Mon-Khmer families are great successful proud people, and if it has any significance to you at all, please note the Khmer people's civilization and achievements, this is to mention of just one of the members. Khmer people will go on, and so will the Khmu people. I don't know exactly when our common ancestors started to diverge but I do agree that we are no longer the same people. As you pointed out, we don't even understand each other. I tried listening to the Mons speaking their native language, I don't even have a clue to what is the meaning at all. So yes, everything separte the Khmer from the rest of their cousins. It seems the Khmer have gone through it all--the human experiences--from the heavenly glory to everything in between and the depth of hell itself. There is nothing more for the Khmer to experience, except to live normally and smile.
I wish you the best in your present and future endeavors.
QUOTE(XmuIssara @ Mar 21 2009, 12:29 AM) [snapback]4172311[/snapback]
I randomly was searching about my people the Khmu and I was reading this post from around
march of last year 2008 and it seems like not a lot of people understand that Khmu is similar
but different than the khmer.
We have a few words in common like the word 1 moi, fish ca , kawn child
but other than that I don't know.
I might be wrong but Khmu and Khmer might have the same root
At least that's what I heard. Khmu means human and if Khmer means human or man
then in that case we must have a closer relation than I thought.
Anyways our language sounds
less khmeric and not really Lao even with the huge amount of loan words.
Another misconception I had read was that Khmu were remnants of the Angkorean Empire left in what is now
Meuang Lao, which I believe isn't right as we had our own independent city states (but we killed our king
and things haven't been solid from there on)
My point is Khmu is to Khmer as Black Americans are to Africans (maybe even more distant)
* You know what I'll release a Khmu Rap/Poem soon and see what you think
march of last year 2008 and it seems like not a lot of people understand that Khmu is similar
but different than the khmer.
We have a few words in common like the word 1 moi, fish ca , kawn child
but other than that I don't know.
I might be wrong but Khmu and Khmer might have the same root
At least that's what I heard. Khmu means human and if Khmer means human or man
then in that case we must have a closer relation than I thought.
Anyways our language sounds
less khmeric and not really Lao even with the huge amount of loan words.
Another misconception I had read was that Khmu were remnants of the Angkorean Empire left in what is now
Meuang Lao, which I believe isn't right as we had our own independent city states (but we killed our king
and things haven't been solid from there on)
My point is Khmu is to Khmer as Black Americans are to Africans (maybe even more distant)
* You know what I'll release a Khmu Rap/Poem soon and see what you think
fish in Khmer is threi
"Ca" is some sort of soup.. Usually has fish or beef.
Issara is freedom because I got that from Lao because I'm part Lao (Hill Tribe at least), plus it's from Pali or Sanskrit , I don't remember. Adding Xmu or Khmu with Issara, you get Issara since we were designated as slaves
but I don't know what slave were like during that time and all I could think of is like black people but not really.
I've read some mini-dictionaries from some Thai Universities and Ca is fish for Khmu, Vietnamese, Palaung.
As for the Khmer Empire with Mon-Khmer states within it, I'm not sure because I have a lot of stories and they're really obscure. Meaung Sava or Cva as many Khmu people told me was a city now known as Luang Prabang.
The story goes that a group of Khmu people wanted to build a city but a tree stood in the way,and a man named Wung said he'd destroy it but he'll die and that day shall be tabooed forever. After that they needed a king
and Wung's relative jumped over a cliff and he was then crowned king.
Another story is about Khmu in China from Mengla County. They supposedly had a huge army of 10000 men
but that sounds exaggerated by the Chinese. The people were rich with salt wells, markets and worshipped the Buddha (That's weird because we're animist but we lived near the Dai who weren't so I guess we were Buddhist at that time as well). A group called the Kiaus claimed to have 45,000,000 people (There these exaggerations again)
invaded the Khmu capital but were driven out by the Khmu. After this incident immigrants started to flow in and
intermarry thus Khmu were driven out to the south aka Lao.
From all these stories (There are more but too long to type), there are no connections or interactions with
Khmer people at all but Khmu people seem to have a very long history with Tai people.
What I think our connection could be is that maybe Khmu and the Khmer before Kambu came
were once people living in southern China (Since Negritos were in Southeast Asia before ) .
but I don't know what slave were like during that time and all I could think of is like black people but not really.
I've read some mini-dictionaries from some Thai Universities and Ca is fish for Khmu, Vietnamese, Palaung.
As for the Khmer Empire with Mon-Khmer states within it, I'm not sure because I have a lot of stories and they're really obscure. Meaung Sava or Cva as many Khmu people told me was a city now known as Luang Prabang.
The story goes that a group of Khmu people wanted to build a city but a tree stood in the way,and a man named Wung said he'd destroy it but he'll die and that day shall be tabooed forever. After that they needed a king
and Wung's relative jumped over a cliff and he was then crowned king.
Another story is about Khmu in China from Mengla County. They supposedly had a huge army of 10000 men
but that sounds exaggerated by the Chinese. The people were rich with salt wells, markets and worshipped the Buddha (That's weird because we're animist but we lived near the Dai who weren't so I guess we were Buddhist at that time as well). A group called the Kiaus claimed to have 45,000,000 people (There these exaggerations again)
invaded the Khmu capital but were driven out by the Khmu. After this incident immigrants started to flow in and
intermarry thus Khmu were driven out to the south aka Lao.
From all these stories (There are more but too long to type), there are no connections or interactions with
Khmer people at all but Khmu people seem to have a very long history with Tai people.
What I think our connection could be is that maybe Khmu and the Khmer before Kambu came
were once people living in southern China (Since Negritos were in Southeast Asia before ) .
QUOTE(XmuIssara @ Mar 21 2009, 05:00 PM) [snapback]4172938[/snapback]
Issara is freedom because I got that from Lao because I'm part Lao (Hill Tribe at least), plus it's from Pali or Sanskrit , I don't remember. Adding Xmu or Khmu with Issara, you get Issara since we were designated as slaves
but I don't know what slave were like during that time and all I could think of is like black people but not really.
I've read some mini-dictionaries from some Thai Universities and Ca is fish for Khmu, Vietnamese, Palaung.
As for the Khmer Empire with Mon-Khmer states within it, I'm not sure because I have a lot of stories and they're really obscure. Meaung Sava or Cva as many Khmu people told me was a city now known as Luang Prabang.
The story goes that a group of Khmu people wanted to build a city but a tree stood in the way,and a man named Wung said he'd destroy it but he'll die and that day shall be tabooed forever. After that they needed a king
and Wung's relative jumped over a cliff and he was then crowned king.
Another story is about Khmu in China from Mengla County. They supposedly had a huge army of 10000 men
but that sounds exaggerated by the Chinese. The people were rich with salt wells, markets and worshipped the Buddha (That's weird because we're animist but we lived near the Dai who weren't so I guess we were Buddhist at that time as well). A group called the Kiaus claimed to have 45,000,000 people (There these exaggerations again)
invaded the Khmu capital but were driven out by the Khmu. After this incident immigrants started to flow in and
intermarry thus Khmu were driven out to the south aka Lao.
From all these stories (There are more but too long to type), there are no connections or interactions with
Khmer people at all but Khmu people seem to have a very long history with Tai people.
What I think our connection could be is that maybe Khmu and the Khmer before Kambu came
were once people living in southern China (Since Negritos were in Southeast Asia before ) .
but I don't know what slave were like during that time and all I could think of is like black people but not really.
I've read some mini-dictionaries from some Thai Universities and Ca is fish for Khmu, Vietnamese, Palaung.
As for the Khmer Empire with Mon-Khmer states within it, I'm not sure because I have a lot of stories and they're really obscure. Meaung Sava or Cva as many Khmu people told me was a city now known as Luang Prabang.
The story goes that a group of Khmu people wanted to build a city but a tree stood in the way,and a man named Wung said he'd destroy it but he'll die and that day shall be tabooed forever. After that they needed a king
and Wung's relative jumped over a cliff and he was then crowned king.
Another story is about Khmu in China from Mengla County. They supposedly had a huge army of 10000 men
but that sounds exaggerated by the Chinese. The people were rich with salt wells, markets and worshipped the Buddha (That's weird because we're animist but we lived near the Dai who weren't so I guess we were Buddhist at that time as well). A group called the Kiaus claimed to have 45,000,000 people (There these exaggerations again)
invaded the Khmu capital but were driven out by the Khmu. After this incident immigrants started to flow in and
intermarry thus Khmu were driven out to the south aka Lao.
From all these stories (There are more but too long to type), there are no connections or interactions with
Khmer people at all but Khmu people seem to have a very long history with Tai people.
What I think our connection could be is that maybe Khmu and the Khmer before Kambu came
were once people living in southern China (Since Negritos were in Southeast Asia before ) .
Okay you lost your credibility since that term is heavily used by Filipinos or Malays.
What sort of script do you guys use?
Asianetik, go read a book.
QUOTE(BradPittJolie @ Mar 22 2009, 05:21 PM) [snapback]4174039[/snapback]
Asianetik, go read a book.
Coming from a flip flop wannabe Khmer like you, I wouldn't even bother to take your advice.
Wow, Ka means Fish in South Mon-Khmer languages in Malaysian Peninsular, I had asked one of my Senoi (a tribe) friend who is an animist, it also means Fish in our traditional language style. We say Nha for Pig, Bouh for Cow, Mroung for Big Snake, Koorn for Tortoise, etc. We also had traditional numerals like Mooi, Mhear, Nhear,etc and they are archaic language.
Well I have no other word to use lol, Negrito was the only thing that came to my head, I've actually
started remembering English since I was lost in my head with Khmu and Lao 24/7.
Anyways we use Lao script or Thai script depending how we're raised and if we're educated or a chief
but other than that it's all oral. We used to have script but we ate the paper that had all of our letters LOL
we were hungry.
These stories also talk about the flood (Which is in common with most mythology around the world), Suspended castles, Plain of Jars built by Khmu, Khmu people who separated and became Lao people. There's also a story about Khun Chuang who might've been Tai but Mon-Khmers around Laos/Thailand believe him as their own.
And Gunong are you a part of a tribe or is it just your friend?
I am still trying to figure if Khmu were once apart of the Khmer Empire or not ,so does anyone know a good book
I can read about Khmer Angkorean or any other archaic historical books based around that period?
started remembering English since I was lost in my head with Khmu and Lao 24/7.
Anyways we use Lao script or Thai script depending how we're raised and if we're educated or a chief
but other than that it's all oral. We used to have script but we ate the paper that had all of our letters LOL
we were hungry.
These stories also talk about the flood (Which is in common with most mythology around the world), Suspended castles, Plain of Jars built by Khmu, Khmu people who separated and became Lao people. There's also a story about Khun Chuang who might've been Tai but Mon-Khmers around Laos/Thailand believe him as their own.
And Gunong are you a part of a tribe or is it just your friend?
I am still trying to figure if Khmu were once apart of the Khmer Empire or not ,so does anyone know a good book
I can read about Khmer Angkorean or any other archaic historical books based around that period?
QUOTE(XmuIssara @ Mar 23 2009, 12:53 PM) [snapback]4174820[/snapback]
Well I have no other word to use lol, Negrito was the only thing that came to my head, I've actually
started remembering English since I was lost in my head with Khmu and Lao 24/7.
Anyways we use Lao script or Thai script depending how we're raised and if we're educated or a chief
but other than that it's all oral. We used to have script but we ate the paper that had all of our letters LOL
we were hungry.
These stories also talk about the flood (Which is in common with most mythology around the world), Suspended castles, Plain of Jars built by Khmu, Khmu people who separated and became Lao people. There's also a story about Khun Chuang who might've been Tai but Mon-Khmers around Laos/Thailand believe him as their own.
And Gunong are you a part of a tribe or is it just your friend?
I am still trying to figure if Khmu were once apart of the Khmer Empire or not ,so does anyone know a good book
I can read about Khmer Angkorean or any other archaic historical books based around that period?
started remembering English since I was lost in my head with Khmu and Lao 24/7.
Anyways we use Lao script or Thai script depending how we're raised and if we're educated or a chief
but other than that it's all oral. We used to have script but we ate the paper that had all of our letters LOL
we were hungry.
These stories also talk about the flood (Which is in common with most mythology around the world), Suspended castles, Plain of Jars built by Khmu, Khmu people who separated and became Lao people. There's also a story about Khun Chuang who might've been Tai but Mon-Khmers around Laos/Thailand believe him as their own.
And Gunong are you a part of a tribe or is it just your friend?
I am still trying to figure if Khmu were once apart of the Khmer Empire or not ,so does anyone know a good book
I can read about Khmer Angkorean or any other archaic historical books based around that period?
U don't look Khmu or Lao. You look straight up Hmong on your avatar homie.
QUOTE(XmuIssara @ Mar 23 2009, 03:53 PM) [snapback]4174820[/snapback]
Well I have no other word to use lol, Negrito was the only thing that came to my head, I've actually
started remembering English since I was lost in my head with Khmu and Lao 24/7.
Anyways we use Lao script or Thai script depending how we're raised and if we're educated or a chief
but other than that it's all oral. We used to have script but we ate the paper that had all of our letters LOL
we were hungry.
These stories also talk about the flood (Which is in common with most mythology around the world), Suspended castles, Plain of Jars built by Khmu, Khmu people who separated and became Lao people. There's also a story about Khun Chuang who might've been Tai but Mon-Khmers around Laos/Thailand believe him as their own.
And Gunong are you a part of a tribe or is it just your friend?
I am still trying to figure if Khmu were once apart of the Khmer Empire or not ,so does anyone know a good book
I can read about Khmer Angkorean or any other archaic historical books based around that period?
started remembering English since I was lost in my head with Khmu and Lao 24/7.
Anyways we use Lao script or Thai script depending how we're raised and if we're educated or a chief
but other than that it's all oral. We used to have script but we ate the paper that had all of our letters LOL
we were hungry.
These stories also talk about the flood (Which is in common with most mythology around the world), Suspended castles, Plain of Jars built by Khmu, Khmu people who separated and became Lao people. There's also a story about Khun Chuang who might've been Tai but Mon-Khmers around Laos/Thailand believe him as their own.
And Gunong are you a part of a tribe or is it just your friend?
I am still trying to figure if Khmu were once apart of the Khmer Empire or not ,so does anyone know a good book
I can read about Khmer Angkorean or any other archaic historical books based around that period?
The khmu were never part of the Angkorian Empire. I think you guys are more lao!
QUOTE(XmuIssara @ Mar 23 2009, 03:53 PM) [snapback]4174820[/snapback]
I am still trying to figure if Khmu were once apart of the Khmer Empire or not ,so does anyone know a good book I can read about Khmer Angkorean or any other archaic historical books based around that period?
XmuIssara, I am glad that you are still pariticipating in the discussion. You asked a very good question. Perhaps, you can determine from reading this waxing and waning of the Khmer territory at this link below.
http://www.angkor-planet.com/UK-hase.html
Tell me what you think first and I will offer you my understanding.
So im bored.
Looking for some Khmu words to campare with Khmer words, here are some I found:
http://aune.lpl.univ-aix.fr/~sprosig/tal20...on-Karlsson.pdf
Khmu/Khmer/english
klaan/klaing/eagle, can also mean kite or hawk in Khmer
koh/khat/ to cut
warp/tan/tan
keep/kiep/to grasp, or pinch with thongs
kr.lis/kralus/trigger mechanism
plai/plai/wedge it can also mean blade in khmer like ax blade or saw blade.
leep to pack/reep to organize
khammu/menuh/ person or the people
Looking for some Khmu words to campare with Khmer words, here are some I found:
http://aune.lpl.univ-aix.fr/~sprosig/tal20...on-Karlsson.pdf
Khmu/Khmer/english
klaan/klaing/eagle, can also mean kite or hawk in Khmer
koh/khat/ to cut
warp/tan/tan
keep/kiep/to grasp, or pinch with thongs
kr.lis/kralus/trigger mechanism
plai/plai/wedge it can also mean blade in khmer like ax blade or saw blade.
leep to pack/reep to organize
khammu/menuh/ person or the people
QUOTE(Point_Dexter @ Mar 23 2009, 11:58 PM) [snapback]4175225[/snapback]
So im bored.
Looking for some Khmu words to campare with Khmer words, here are some I found:
http://aune.lpl.univ-aix.fr/~sprosig/tal20...on-Karlsson.pdf
Khmu/Khmer/english
klaan/klaing/eagle, can also mean kite or hawk in Khmer
koh/khat/ to cut
warp/tan/tan
keep/kiep/to grasp, or pinch with thongs
kr.lis/kralus/trigger mechanism
plai/plai/wedge it can also mean blade in khmer like ax blade or saw blade.
leep to pack/reep to organize
khammu/menuh/ person or the people
Looking for some Khmu words to campare with Khmer words, here are some I found:
http://aune.lpl.univ-aix.fr/~sprosig/tal20...on-Karlsson.pdf
Khmu/Khmer/english
klaan/klaing/eagle, can also mean kite or hawk in Khmer
koh/khat/ to cut
warp/tan/tan
keep/kiep/to grasp, or pinch with thongs
kr.lis/kralus/trigger mechanism
plai/plai/wedge it can also mean blade in khmer like ax blade or saw blade.
leep to pack/reep to organize
khammu/menuh/ person or the people
Hey PD, I don't get the terms "warp/tan/tan" What is that? tan = reddish, right? Also, the Khmer term "menuh" is actually the sanskrit word of "manu", meaning people. Anyway, this post makes me want to know more about these "Mon-Khmer" speaking people.
I look Hmong ???, most people I know especially people I work with, my family, friends consider my look to be Northern Thai-ish (I'm half Northern Thai).
Wow Point Dexter thanks for pointing that out, I'm been trying to find a Khmer Dictionary but to no avail.
In Khmu we say Samai Ler for Hello and I was thinking it was a word for word of the Lao Sabai Dee but then I realized in Khmer it's Sok Sabai right? Anyways Samai Ler might not be a word for word loan.
As for Preah, that website was weird at first because I didn't realize I had to select all LOL. Looking through that
novel
I remembered something about a war between Ai Lao and Khmu people, how we basically played tug of war with Meuang Sava aka Luang PraBang. That also made me remember didn't a Khmer king rule Viangchan before it was Viangchan and maybe there was a link of some sort.
History is fun and yet exhausting, maybe I need to go Scooby Doo on this.
Oh as for Indrataka I guess we are more Lao, we have been programmed in every possible manner (at least my village)
but I feel worse for my Khmu Ksak sisters and brothers who might actually think they're Lao.
Wow Point Dexter thanks for pointing that out, I'm been trying to find a Khmer Dictionary but to no avail.
In Khmu we say Samai Ler for Hello and I was thinking it was a word for word of the Lao Sabai Dee but then I realized in Khmer it's Sok Sabai right? Anyways Samai Ler might not be a word for word loan.
As for Preah, that website was weird at first because I didn't realize I had to select all LOL. Looking through that
novel
I remembered something about a war between Ai Lao and Khmu people, how we basically played tug of war with Meuang Sava aka Luang PraBang. That also made me remember didn't a Khmer king rule Viangchan before it was Viangchan and maybe there was a link of some sort.History is fun and yet exhausting, maybe I need to go Scooby Doo on this.
Oh as for Indrataka I guess we are more Lao, we have been programmed in every possible manner (at least my village)
but I feel worse for my Khmu Ksak sisters and brothers who might actually think they're Lao.
What the heck is Khmu? Is this somebodys sick joke of the incorrect spelling of Khmer?
Ay, welcome to the forum. lol you dont look Hmong at all. You look pretty much Laotian or Thai. There are lot of Khmu-Lao ppl in Oakland/Richmond huh...Thats where my Khmu friends stay at. Many of the Khmu I know are either mixed with Lao or Thai or someother.
QUOTE(llLUCiFERll @ Mar 24 2009, 01:58 AM) [snapback]4175414[/snapback]
What the heck is Khmu? Is this somebodys sick joke of the incorrect spelling of Khmer?
Silly LUCY, stop misbehaving like a rotten bastardized child time and time again. Shoo fly while grown ups are having a history discussion. The pleasure is all to my big baseball bat through your mouth. Now it is your turn, LUCY hurt so bad when my baseball reaches deep inside your cavity.
QUOTE(llLUCiFERll @ Mar 24 2009, 01:58 AM) [snapback]4175414[/snapback]
What the heck is Khmu? Is this somebodys sick joke of the incorrect spelling of Khmer?
khmu are people of the mon-khmer stock that live in laos. i think they were seperated from the khmer angkorian empire.
QUOTE(XmuIssara @ Mar 23 2009, 10:19 PM) [snapback]4175355[/snapback]
I look Hmong ???, most people I know especially people I work with, my family, friends consider my look to be Northern Thai-ish (I'm half Northern Thai).
Yes you look very Hmong-ish and also Mien.
QUOTE(XmuIssara @ Mar 24 2009, 12:19 AM) [snapback]4175355[/snapback]
I look Hmong ???, most people I know especially people I work with, my family, friends consider my look to be Northern Thai-ish (I'm half Northern Thai).
Wow Point Dexter thanks for pointing that out, I'm been trying to find a Khmer Dictionary but to no avail.
In Khmu we say Samai Ler for Hello and I was thinking it was a word for word of the Lao Sabai Dee but then I realized in Khmer it's Sok Sabai right? Anyways Samai Ler might not be a word for word loan.
As for Preah, that website was weird at first because I didn't realize I had to select all LOL. Looking through that
novel I remembered something about a war between Ai Lao and Khmu people, how we basically played tug of war with Meuang Sava aka Luang PraBang. That also made me remember didn't a Khmer king rule Viangchan before it was Viangchan and maybe there was a link of some sort.
History is fun and yet exhausting, maybe I need to go Scooby Doo on this.
Oh as for Indrataka I guess we are more Lao, we have been programmed in every possible manner (at least my village)
but I feel worse for my Khmu Ksak sisters and brothers who might actually think they're Lao.
Wow Point Dexter thanks for pointing that out, I'm been trying to find a Khmer Dictionary but to no avail.
In Khmu we say Samai Ler for Hello and I was thinking it was a word for word of the Lao Sabai Dee but then I realized in Khmer it's Sok Sabai right? Anyways Samai Ler might not be a word for word loan.
As for Preah, that website was weird at first because I didn't realize I had to select all LOL. Looking through that
novel
I remembered something about a war between Ai Lao and Khmu people, how we basically played tug of war with Meuang Sava aka Luang PraBang. That also made me remember didn't a Khmer king rule Viangchan before it was Viangchan and maybe there was a link of some sort.History is fun and yet exhausting, maybe I need to go Scooby Doo on this.
Oh as for Indrataka I guess we are more Lao, we have been programmed in every possible manner (at least my village)
but I feel worse for my Khmu Ksak sisters and brothers who might actually think they're Lao.
samai ler
sabai dee
khmer) sok sabai- when say goodbye then say sok sabai -ner
khmer) sabai tee-almost like a question,
i think at one time these word is the same word but after afew generations,it's change alittle bit. you might be khmu now but your first generations might be chinese or khmer. whose know one thousand years from now the khmu might be change to malaysian
if you have a white guy ask about a city guy how to say phnom penh and then he go to the country side ask another guy how say phnom penh and he write it down. i'm sure it not same spelling because of the accent.
i believe in southeast asia there is only one group of people there at one time until thai,viet,india and the chinese show up. now we all screw up.
I guess I can assimilate anywhere because supposedly people believe I'm one of them
it's strange during some parts of the day I look different. I've been asked if I'm Filipino and Spanish mixed, Mexican, Hmong, Mien, Chinese (Very Common), Some strange sort of Japanese, Korean, Hawaiian, Tibetan (Also Common), Mongolian, Turkish (The more eastern ones), and some other random things you wouldn't even guess.
Well no more speaking of my facial features lol
No it's not a joke and why would it be sick? Being Khmu is not easy because well we don't have much of a base to establish ourselves as others have so we cling to Lao or Khmer or Thai chats (No LoL). I don't mind because I feel unique in a way (BTW thanks Preah and Tricky for saying something)
Yeah Baby Shanker lots of Khmu people are posted around Oakland/Richmond and some around Stockton.
It's crazy some random White woman while I was in Berkeley looked at me and said you're Lao right? I was shocked and she said she lived in Laos for a long time.Go figure.
From where I'm from there are a lot of Khmu/Lao/Thai but oddly here it's Khmu men with Lao/Thai. Hardly see the other way around.
I am one of many Khmu people who know a little of Thai/Lao and somewhat fluent in Khmu because the youth don't really care or their parents speak only English to them. The only time I've heard my cousins speak it is when they cuss or talk $hit about others, at times maybe for shock value towards whatever. I have some rare Khmu dictionaries but my dad discourages it and rather have me study at the Wat Thai as it is the Lingua Franca
when Lao and Thai people (Who are frequent guests at our parties, ceremonies and everyday life).
I feel like those Khmer Surin at times just too many cultures at one time.
it's strange during some parts of the day I look different. I've been asked if I'm Filipino and Spanish mixed, Mexican, Hmong, Mien, Chinese (Very Common), Some strange sort of Japanese, Korean, Hawaiian, Tibetan (Also Common), Mongolian, Turkish (The more eastern ones), and some other random things you wouldn't even guess.
Well no more speaking of my facial features lol
No it's not a joke and why would it be sick? Being Khmu is not easy because well we don't have much of a base to establish ourselves as others have so we cling to Lao or Khmer or Thai chats (No LoL). I don't mind because I feel unique in a way (BTW thanks Preah and Tricky for saying something)
Yeah Baby Shanker lots of Khmu people are posted around Oakland/Richmond and some around Stockton.
It's crazy some random White woman while I was in Berkeley looked at me and said you're Lao right? I was shocked and she said she lived in Laos for a long time.Go figure.
From where I'm from there are a lot of Khmu/Lao/Thai but oddly here it's Khmu men with Lao/Thai. Hardly see the other way around.
I am one of many Khmu people who know a little of Thai/Lao and somewhat fluent in Khmu because the youth don't really care or their parents speak only English to them. The only time I've heard my cousins speak it is when they cuss or talk $hit about others, at times maybe for shock value towards whatever. I have some rare Khmu dictionaries but my dad discourages it and rather have me study at the Wat Thai as it is the Lingua Franca
when Lao and Thai people (Who are frequent guests at our parties, ceremonies and everyday life).
I feel like those Khmer Surin at times just too many cultures at one time.
QUOTE(XmuIssara @ Mar 27 2009, 12:09 PM) [snapback]4179057[/snapback]
I feel like those Khmer Surin at times just too many cultures at one time.
Khmer Surin don't have difficulties adjusting because Thai culture is the same as Khmer culture for the most part.
QUOTE(thewiseguy @ Mar 27 2009, 04:29 PM) [snapback]4179154[/snapback]
Khmer Surin don't have difficulties adjusting because Thai culture is the same as Khmer culture for the most part.
two more generations there is there no more khmer, its thai surin
Here's some audio/video of Khmu songs
Khmu Music Video
Khmu Music Video 2
Khmu Music Video 3
These are for those who are interested how Khmu sounds, I can't figure some of the words they say because different dialect or possibly didn't turn the speaker too high, either way check it out. I'll post mine up once I get some lyrics corrected and
make it more pronounced.
Khmu Music Video
Khmu Music Video 2
Khmu Music Video 3
These are for those who are interested how Khmu sounds, I can't figure some of the words they say because different dialect or possibly didn't turn the speaker too high, either way check it out. I'll post mine up once I get some lyrics corrected and
make it more pronounced.
Here's some audio/video of Khmu songs
Khmu Music Video
Khmu Music Video 2
Khmu Music Video 3
These are for those who are interested how Khmu sounds, I can't figure some of the words they say because different dialect or possibly didn't turn the speaker too high, either way check it out. I'll post mine up once I get some lyrics corrected and
make it more pronounced.
Khmu Music Video
Khmu Music Video 2
Khmu Music Video 3
These are for those who are interested how Khmu sounds, I can't figure some of the words they say because different dialect or possibly didn't turn the speaker too high, either way check it out. I'll post mine up once I get some lyrics corrected and
make it more pronounced.
Here's some audio/video of Khmu songs
Khmu Music Video
Khmu Music Video 2
Khmu Music Video 3
These are for those who are interested how Khmu sounds, I can't figure some of the words they say because different dialect or possibly didn't turn the speaker too high, either way check it out. I'll post mine up once I get some lyrics corrected and
make it more pronounced.
Khmu Music Video
Khmu Music Video 2
Khmu Music Video 3
These are for those who are interested how Khmu sounds, I can't figure some of the words they say because different dialect or possibly didn't turn the speaker too high, either way check it out. I'll post mine up once I get some lyrics corrected and
make it more pronounced.
QUOTE(XmuIssara @ Mar 29 2009, 10:20 PM) [snapback]4181749[/snapback]
Here's some audio/video of Khmu songs
Khmu Music Video
Khmu Music Video 2
Khmu Music Video 3
These are for those who are interested how Khmu sounds, I can't figure some of the words they say because different dialect or possibly didn't turn the speaker too high, either way check it out. I'll post mine up once I get some lyrics corrected and
make it more pronounced.
Khmu Music Video
Khmu Music Video 2
Khmu Music Video 3
These are for those who are interested how Khmu sounds, I can't figure some of the words they say because different dialect or possibly didn't turn the speaker too high, either way check it out. I'll post mine up once I get some lyrics corrected and
make it more pronounced.
XmuIssara, you are doing a wonderful job in posting the voices, sounds, music, costumes, and people with the word Khmu. As far as I know, Khmu are not related to the Khmer because Khmer are more tan and slender not stockier as the Khum are.
There's a variety of looks my friend as with many Khmer I met
Khmu sometimes look like Tim Allen LOL (I'm not Joking about that), some look like me, my cousin is often called the Khmer one because he's really tan and around 5'8
(I'd show a picture but he hates having his pic online).
Khmu variations come from the malnutrition, well offness, habitat, mixture, and etc...
I think this was my mission to let people know that Khmu was not a typo of Khmer.
Khmu people have a link, maybe not but my father who look a little khmer-ish said we should look up to them because they had a great civilization, were prominent in the 60's.
From every little detail I could find it seemed as if Khmu were very tied with Tai people. We are classified as Shan (Tai people in Burma) by the Burmese government, live near each other in nearly every other country we've occupied from Vietnam, America, France, Germany, Thailand and etc...
Throughout these conversation, I think I learned a lot like the word similiarity, kindness of Khmer people and others too.
In the future I'll post some more good stuff as well as my music when I get my production team on.
Btw sorry for the triple post (My computer went retarded)
Khmu sometimes look like Tim Allen LOL (I'm not Joking about that), some look like me, my cousin is often called the Khmer one because he's really tan and around 5'8
(I'd show a picture but he hates having his pic online).
Khmu variations come from the malnutrition, well offness, habitat, mixture, and etc...
I think this was my mission to let people know that Khmu was not a typo of Khmer.
Khmu people have a link, maybe not but my father who look a little khmer-ish said we should look up to them because they had a great civilization, were prominent in the 60's.
From every little detail I could find it seemed as if Khmu were very tied with Tai people. We are classified as Shan (Tai people in Burma) by the Burmese government, live near each other in nearly every other country we've occupied from Vietnam, America, France, Germany, Thailand and etc...
Throughout these conversation, I think I learned a lot like the word similiarity, kindness of Khmer people and others too.
In the future I'll post some more good stuff as well as my music when I get my production team on.
Btw sorry for the triple post (My computer went retarded)
Again, you still suprise me with your specific details. Don't be offended, the Khmu performers in the videos you posted look similar to the Hmongs or the Laotians. Regarding the Khmer civilization, please inform you dearest father that it has been continuous for at least 2000 years long, not just in the 60's. I tell you this much about the Khmer people. The Khmer people had been stripped to a mere bare humanity, but the pride and spirit of the Khmer greatness are always glowing. 
QUOTE(XmuIssara @ Mar 29 2009, 11:15 PM) [snapback]4181824[/snapback]
There's a variety of looks my friend as with many Khmer I met
Khmu sometimes look like Tim Allen LOL (I'm not Joking about that), some look like me, my cousin is often called the Khmer one because he's really tan and around 5'8
(I'd show a picture but he hates having his pic online).
Khmu variations come from the malnutrition, well offness, habitat, mixture, and etc...
I think this was my mission to let people know that Khmu was not a typo of Khmer.
Khmu people have a link, maybe not but my father who look a little khmer-ish said we should look up to them because they had a great civilization, were prominent in the 60's.
From every little detail I could find it seemed as if Khmu were very tied with Tai people. We are classified as Shan (Tai people in Burma) by the Burmese government, live near each other in nearly every other country we've occupied from Vietnam, America, France, Germany, Thailand and etc...
Throughout these conversation, I think I learned a lot like the word similiarity, kindness of Khmer people and others too.
In the future I'll post some more good stuff as well as my music when I get my production team on.
Btw sorry for the triple post (My computer went retarded)
Khmu sometimes look like Tim Allen LOL (I'm not Joking about that), some look like me, my cousin is often called the Khmer one because he's really tan and around 5'8
(I'd show a picture but he hates having his pic online).
Khmu variations come from the malnutrition, well offness, habitat, mixture, and etc...
I think this was my mission to let people know that Khmu was not a typo of Khmer.
Khmu people have a link, maybe not but my father who look a little khmer-ish said we should look up to them because they had a great civilization, were prominent in the 60's.
From every little detail I could find it seemed as if Khmu were very tied with Tai people. We are classified as Shan (Tai people in Burma) by the Burmese government, live near each other in nearly every other country we've occupied from Vietnam, America, France, Germany, Thailand and etc...
Throughout these conversation, I think I learned a lot like the word similiarity, kindness of Khmer people and others too.
In the future I'll post some more good stuff as well as my music when I get my production team on.
Btw sorry for the triple post (My computer went retarded)
QUOTE(preahvihear @ Mar 30 2009, 08:03 PM) [snapback]4182889[/snapback]
Again, you still suprise me with your specific details. Don't be offended, the Khmu performers in the videos you posted look similar to the Hmongs or the Laotians. Regarding the Khmer civilization, please inform you dearest father that it has been continuous for at least 2000 years long, not just in the 60's. I tell you this much about the Khmer people. The Khmer people had been stripped to a mere bare humanity, but the pride and spirit of the Khmer greatness are always glowing.
Correction: 2500++++ years lolz! Remember we found another ancient civilization which will be added to Nokor Phnom, Chenla, and Moha Nokor history!
the khmu are part of the greater mon-khmer stock of the austroasiatic family. the geographic distribution of mon-khmer is so vast that some groups take on more of the mongoloid appearance while others more australoid. this is most likely due to intermixing with other groups living nearby. the real indigenous peoples of southeast asia, the australoids most likely intermixed with khmer, giving khmer a darker and more "austric" appearance than many other mon-khmer groups in general. i personally think negritos came later into southeast asia. either that, or not much intermixing took place between khmers and negritos. australoids are also found in australia called the aborigines. the khmer group settled deep in the mekong delta region and probably one of the earliest groups of mon-khmer to disperse from southern china into southeast asia mainland and the peninsula. the khmu probably never even left. northern laos was most likely have always been their homeland.
the biggest clue is of course language. i do see an affinity between various mon-khmer languages including the khmu. i am always excited to see other groups of mon-khmer acknowledging their history and their relationships with other mon-khmer people.
the biggest clue is of course language. i do see an affinity between various mon-khmer languages including the khmu. i am always excited to see other groups of mon-khmer acknowledging their history and their relationships with other mon-khmer people.
QUOTE(preahvihear @ Mar 30 2009, 07:03 PM) [snapback]4182889[/snapback]
Again, you still suprise me with your specific details. Don't be offended, the Khmu performers in the videos you posted look similar to the Hmongs or the Laotians. Regarding the Khmer civilization, please inform you dearest father that it has been continuous for at least 2000 years long, not just in the 60's. I tell you this much about the Khmer people. The Khmer people had been stripped to a mere bare humanity, but the pride and spirit of the Khmer greatness are always glowing.
you seem a little irritated by xmuissara or even offended. khmer people need to learn some humility. we always pride ourselves for the past accomplishments of our ancestors which there is nothing wrong with that. but our motivations for doing so seem to stem from a superiority complex we've carried over or inherited from our ancestors. i think this has more to do with a deeply rooted insecurity many prideful khmers have which is well hidden from others. a painful past that has overshadowed the glorious era have driven many khmers in the past and present to revive this legacy of our ancestors not through actions but through online proclamations. not to mention, the racism we display towards other groups. this needs to be addressed and a closer examination of ourselves would help us learn humility.
im sorry to use you as an example. i dont browse this forum much. i became interested when i saw a khmu person who seems interested and even acknowledged khmu sharing a bond with other mon-khmer people.
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