Kamboja Asvaka Ksatriya (Indo-Iranian Light Cavalry)


Master horsemen and horse traders, Kambojas never leave an opportunity to plunder using their light horse troops. Living on both sides of the Khyber Pass, they were a part of the "Arya" races which stormed and conquered India, some 1500 years before. Their own name was a mistaken identity by the Helllenes of Alexandros who called them "Assakenoi" whereas they were "Asvaka" or "horsemen" in Sanskrit. Losing badly to Alexander, they befriended his descendants, their Greco-Baktrian overlords and along with them they invaded India reaching as far as present day Bangladesh. They repeated this feat, but with their new Lords, the Sakae who overran Greek Baktria in the end of 1st centrury BCE. Their helmet is an evolved Boiotian one, and their primary cuirass is a quilted silk one. Untreated (so called "dirty") silk had very good anti-missile qualities, which Kambojas facing Indian foot archers and Steppen Horse archers would deffinitely appreciate. They wear Iranian dotted pantaloons and have pteryges to cover their genitals. Their weapons are clearly Hellenic: round "Aspis" shield, a short kontos spear that could be held underarm in a stance reminding that of the knights, and a sturdy kopis for the time when the spear gave way. It is safe to assume that they would show the same faith to all their overlords, whoever they might be.

Historically, Kamboja, were among the westernmost of the 16 or so nations (mahajanapadas) which comprised the Archaic (Vedic) Indian world. IndoIranians to the utmost, they presumably took the name from river Kabul (then named Kaboj) or from Kam(region)-used mostly in those areas to this date- and Bhoja(owner). They must have a major impact on the Achaimenid Persians who conquered them, as Cyrus the great (Kurush) named his son Kambyses (Kambujiya) the 3rd, presumably after a Mythical hero, Kambujiya (Kamboja of Shantiparava),who led the Iranians against a Vedic king Kuvalashava, defeating him in the battle and wresting a prized sword from his lineage. Thus, it can be easily understood that common language and mythical bonds made Achaimenids and Kambojas friendly to one another.

This good relation with their overlords would change later, as the Kamboja clans�the Aspasioi of Kunar/Alishang valleys, the Guraeans of the Guraeus (Panjkora) valley and the Assakenoi of the Swat and Buner valleys fought the Makedones to a man. When worse came to worst, even the Assakenoi(Ashvakayanas) Kamboj women had taken up arms and fought the invaders side by side with their husbands, thus preferring "a glorious death to a life of dishonor". In fact Alexander spent a couple of years at present day Afghanistan and NW Pakistan fighting Kamboja clans. These highlanders, designated as "parvatiya Ayudhajivinah" in Panini's Astadhyayi were rebellious, fiercely independent and freedom-loving clans who never easily yielded to any overlord. Modern historians have this to say on them ...."It was indeed a hard work for Alexander to take their strongholds, of which Massaga and Aornus need special mention (A. K. Narain, 'Alexander the Great') and "A tribute must be made to the vision and sagacity of Alexander because he realised that without reducing these highlanders, his march into India would neither be secure nor effective."(History of Punjab, Vol I, 1997, p 225, Dr Buddha Prakash). This was the wonder and the tragedy of those people. That they controled the way to India, thus they had to be either conquered or destroyed.

Survivors were a lot less willing to fight off superior forces than their ancestors. Instead they played along with the plans of their overlords and managed to survive and prosper. They must have been hellenized to a degree, as is evident by the following excrept of Assalaya Sutta of Majjhima Nikaya, the second book of the Sutta Pitaka (written probably around the end of first century BCE or 2nd centruy AD)- Buddha says:"Have you heard that in the countries of Yona(yonaratthan) [greek territory] and Kamboja (kambojaratthan) and other adjacent districts there are only two castes, master and slave? And having been a master one becomes a slave? Having been a slave, one becomes a Master? - Yes, I have heard this, Sir, in Yona and Kamboja...having been a slave, one becomes a master." If we compare this to the Asoka's 13th edict where the country of the Yonas is mentioned as the only place where the caste system doesn't exist. Of course it was written more than 100 years earlier than that Buddhist script. Kambojas took part willingly in the Baktrian invasion of India which must have led to the creation of the separate Indo-Greek state by 186 BCE (time when the Indo-Greek calendar begins) and as a spoil of war, they were allowed to settle along their Indo-Greek Overlords in India, both all along the Indus river and in the center of India Mathura and eastern on.

Indians wrote the following, according to Majjhima Nikaya 43.1.3. ; Ganapatha II.1.72; Harivamsa 14.16. "Both people are attested to follow common culture, social customs and manners like supporting short cropped hair, non-entertainment of Brahmanas in their countries and observing two varna=caste/class (Arya and Dasa=master and slave) social system instead of chatur-varna observed by the Indo-Aryans ". Greco-Baktrians managed to control western and Central India in a few decades. That wouldn't have been possible without the help of Buddhist local population (who were persecuted by the Hindu majority), and their vassals, Bahlikas (Baktrioi Hippeis) and Kamboja Asvaka Ksatriyas, excellent horsemen, to compliment their own cavalry, chosen Phallanxes, Hypaspistai and Agemata.

Manusmriti (X/43-44) lists the Yavanas with the Kambojas, Sakas, Pahlavas, Paradas etc and regards them as degraded Kshatriyas (members of the warrior caste). Hence the "Ksatriya" in its name.

The "Yonakambojesu" expression (Yonas and Kambojas alike) in Ashoka's Thirteen Rock Edict as well as in the Majjhima Nikaya powerfully attest very close relations of the Kambojas with the Yavanas. Mahabharata contains references to Yavanas and Kambojas having conquered Mathura. Kambojas had also entered India and spread into whole of North India, especially in (present day) Punjab and Uttar Pradesh. According to Agni Purana (A hindu holy text), it locates two Kamboja settlements in India itself. Kambhoja in south-west India and Kamboja in southern parts of India, even if it can be debated that this account was much later than our timeline.

When the Saka-Rauka conquered the Baktrian state, and were preparing to move into India to fight the Indo-Greeks. Along with 4 other tribes (Bahlikas, Parama Kambojas, Rishikas, Paradas) they were among the armies of the Saka-Rauka who invaded and occupied India.

Illustrious traders that they were, they reached even unto Taprobane, present day Sri Lanka. Cave inscriptions found in Anuradhapura which strongly attest the existence of one Kamboja Sangha (Goshatha) and Grand Kamboja Guilds in ancient Sinhala. These inscriptions are believed to belong to second century BCE (Dr S. Paranavitana). Later on, centur.es later a Kamboja trader is said to have reached into a country in Indochina, whose reign he acquired, giving it the name of his people. Presently it is known as Cambodia.

Throughout the Indian literature, the Kambojas are honoured for their horses. All major Indian religions have a lot to say about them. Jain Canon Uttaradhyana-Sutra informs us that a trained Kamboja horse exceeded all other horses in speed and no noise could ever frighten it. The epics, Puranas and numerous other ancient Sanskrit texts all agree that the horses of the Kamboja, Bahlika and Sindhu regions were the finest breed. Sauptikaparva of Mahabharata ranks the horses from Kamboja as of the finest breed. Bhishamaparva of Mahabharata refers to the quality war horses from various lands and puts the steeds from the Kamboja at the head of the list specifically styling them as the leaders (Mukhyanam) among the best breed of horses.
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I don't know if you guys post this up already, but I just want the khmer's opinion on our ancestors! Are we really from Central Asia? I heard someone said that we came from southern China but I don't see nothing chinese about us at all. I think this theory is more concrete. What do you guys think?

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I didn't ask Youn people for their opinions! I asked my fellow khmer people and it's between us so stay away from khmer chat and go to your Youn chat! Quit trolling around!

i thought there were already indigenous khmers to the cambodian land. and that the kambojas came later to trade w/ us. then they intermarried w/ us. the chinese came later or something. i really don't know. but that's what i heard.

also, did "cambodia" really derived from "kamboja"?

Kamboja ---> Kampuchea
Kampuchea (khmer) ---> Cambodge (French)
Cambodge ---> Cambodia (English)

So in a way, yes!

WRONG Khmer are not from Central Asia

KambOja is Indian and KambUja is the name of the empire for the Khmer.

Kamboja and Kambuja name sound alike That why "some" historian expert think that the Kambuja in Southeast Asia might be related to Kamboja (Indian tribe) in Central Asia. but there are two different people and culture. That's why they couldn't figure why 1 letter is off the spelling. The truth is if where related then why Kamboja and Kambuja culture and langauge are different?

FACT:
all sanskirt writing found in Central Asia spell the the indian tribe Kamboja with a O and all sanskirt writing in Southeast Asia spell Kambuja with a U *historian are puzzle by this, the truth is we are NOT related to the Kamboja Indian tribe, that why we spell it different.

The name Kambuja came from our first Khmer King name Svayambhava Kambu (Came from south India) and Ja is sanskirt meaning descendent so the Khmer people deicided to name their Kingdom Kambuja. (it aint got nuttin to do with Kamboja in Central Asia, if we are related then im sure we would spell the name right, we build angkor wat after all...right?)

Kambu+Ja mean "Descendent from Prince Kambu." in Sanskirt

And just like what Super Khmer say
Kambuja ----> Kampuchea (morden Khmer pronunciation) ------->Cambodge(french pronunciation)------->Cambodia(English pronunciation)

Make a lot of sense right? and it explain why the name is 1 letter off and why our culture/langauge is different from Kamboja in Central Asia


Our First King Svayambhava Kambu came from South India empire call Pallavas

This well explain why...
....all our ancient Khmer King have varman in their name cus all Pallavas king have that too
....Pallavas ancient temple and Khmer ancient Temple look identical
....Pallavas and Khmer have the excact same legend of origin.
....in the Hindu vedic they talk about powerful swordman who made a powerful sword for the Pallavas King and in Cambodia their sanskirt writing saying the Khmer king have his sword made by the same person.
...more connection

Pallavas ancient temple




Khmer ancient temple

remember the guy who made a thread about Kosreans and Koreans being related? lol

Oh my bad, so it's Kambuja not Kamboja! TBH I thought they were two of the same thing! I thought it's just the way some people pronounce it! Some with O and others with U! Apologies for misleading info!

Kamboja is the name of a ethic group or a tribe in Central Asia and Kambuja was the name of a Empire built by the ethic group call the Khmer.

The Kamboja Of Central Asia got their name from a river call kabu.
The Kambuja of the Khmer got their name from their first King. (Kambuja meaning Descendent from Prince Kambu)

It was the Khmer ethic group that build the Khmer empire not the Kamboja ethic group.

it was just a coincidence that the name sound alike.

Do you hv the name of that powerful swordsman who made the sword for the Pallava king? N the detailed story about it? Pls share with us.

Fact is, Prince Kambu himself, the great Kambu Svayambhuva himself, had some Kamboja blood.

Even if he MIGHT hv come from South India. Or ... as some guys speculate ... from the Malayu Peninsula. That's why the local Khmers of Chenla called him Kambu in the first place.

You know, Tamil folklore suggests an ultimate ancient origin ... for the Tamils ... from the Mediterranean regions. Even your Pallavas could hv had some ancient Iranian ancestry. "Pallava" could hv been a Tamilised derivative of the Iranian "Pahlava".

Ha ha ha. Now your imagination is drifting as far as ancient Iranian lands. But I can commend you for effort. Kid.

Dude. The ancient Persian Hakhamanish (Achaemenid) dynasty - which began with Persian king Khouroush-e-Bozorg (Cyrus the Great), who defeated their Madayu (Medean) overlords under king Hastayaga (Astyages) - in fact claims ancestry from an ancient, most ancient Kamboja chieftain named Kambujiya. Khouroush was in fact the mixed Madayu-Parsi (Medean-Persian) grandson of Hastayaga, from the marriage of Hastayaga's daughter to Persian vassal king Vishtaspa (Hystaspes), i.e. Khouroush's father.

Khouroush himself was eventually defeated n killed in battle by a barbarian Kamboja queen named Tahm Yarsi @ Timmeya @ Tumeira (Tomyris) of the Masaga (Massagetae) tribe.

The Hakhamanish dynasty so revered the original Kambujiya - who wrested the sword Daivi Khadga (Divine Sword) from Vedic king Kuvalashava of Ikshvaku dynasty (Kosala kingdom, neighbouring Magadha kingdom) after defeating him in battle - that many later Hakhamanish princes n kings were also named Kambujiya.

Many centuries later, in the battle of Kurukshetra, a descendant of the first Kambujiya, named Sudakshina, fought against a descendant of Kuvalashava ... who was named ... Arjuna. At first the Kamboja were neutral, but later became involved in the Kurukshetra war after the Kauravas (enemy of the Pandavas) requested for their assistance.

Sudakshina at one time in fact hit Arjuna so powerfully n sent him into a swoon. But Arjuna survived n eventually prevailed over Sudakshina. The rest is history ... or legend.

Arjuna is also said to hv carried Daivi Khadga with him for a while. Maybe he wrested it back from Sudakshina or something.

I read about it ah long time, i forgot where i read it at or what book was it on, sorry but the stone is found in Cambodia with Sanskirt writing on it saying the ancient Khmer king have his sacred sword made by same guy who made one for the Pallavas king, i forgot his name but it say that person name is well known in the Vedas for making powerful god-like sword.

they also say they are confuse because if it the same person then it mean that person must of live for a very long time lol

Well the Scriptures of the 3 Abrahamic faiths say that Noah n his immediate ancestors had really long lifespans ... of the order 1,000 years or so ... cos they had to rapidly repopulate a region almost entirely depopulated by the Huge Deluge.

Or so the story goes ...

Now I aint evangelisin ere ... just sharin info ya could also easily get from the Net ...

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Re: the above, after months of search of trying to find my family

I found plenty of evidence to refute that statement above.

Kambujiya is known by many names because royalty has more than one name. Just like Jesus known by many names like The Mesiah. It's not uncommon for any royals to have more than one name.

KAMBUJIYA
Cambyses/Kambyses - known to the Greeks
Kambujiya/Kambujya/Kambujaya - known to the Persians & Khmers/Kampucheas/Kambujiya (not the screwed up English name Cambodians or French Cambodge)
Kaundinya - known to Africans, Egyptians, Khmers, Indians, and Island Indian Nations, and foretold of Siddartha's life
(Siddartha aka Guamata Buddha was a Kshatriya)
Kambul Svayambhuva
Huntien - known to Chinese on Chinese account but Khmer never took on that name for the King.
Maharishi Kambul - aka Great Sage Kambu who came from Aryadesa/Kambojadesa ruler of Kambul and Persi and Aimed and Medes
Preak Reach Ana Chakra Kampuchea - Royal Realm of wheeling power of the Kingdom of Kampuchea/Kambujiya/Cambodia

Kambujiya married Soma of the Nagas, aka Mera of Medes who was given by Shiva to the King of the Nagas as his daughter, who turn the beauty to Kambujiya for Unity.

Soma/Mera - known to Chinese as Lui Ye

Both Kamboja and Kambujiya were both a Kshatriya and both a Brahman who studies Astrology as they both come from the Achelmedian line.

Kshatriyas were involved w the Mahabharata wars.
Kaundinya/Kambujiya who was a brahman predicted Siddartha aka Guatma Buddha life. If U observed the hair style of Buddha and Kambyses you will notice the knots and ties to their likeness. As well as notice how Cambyses is Linked w the lions as Khmers are linked w lions aka lion dogs and notice the hair art of the lion head.
The temple in ancient Iraq and Angkor Wat is made of the same designs. Long walk to the square temple and so it the long walk to the back way.
its the same architectures but the stupa is risen higher due to the influences from Indian Queen Soma.
It's the marriage of ideas.

Kambujiya ruled also in Kambul. His people were called KAMS.
Mera's were called Mers, Mairs, Mehrs, aka Mehrans.
Their marriage formed Khmers.

Google Reference Migration of Kambojas. See how Iranians marriages and clothing resembles Khmers marriages and clothing. In Angkor depicts of the Mahabharata wars on one side or Angkor Wat and another side the war w Lanka or todays Sri Lanka.

This was all apart of the SRI VIJAYA EMPIRE. as Sage (wise) Kambul said he is the Great King of all the world and four corners. See Cambyzes Cyclinder.
Cambyses tomb resembles the same designs as the sacred master temple room in Angkor. The long steps up and a small door to a humble room.

Anyways do a little more research bc Kambujiya didn't stay put, he went out to conquer the world!

I agree. You guys came from Middle Eastern. There's a reason why the Killing Field happen, it was in ur muslim blood to kill one another

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I know you're a Viet troll. But their is no reason to bring that part of a tragic Cambodian history up. Also the Khmer has nothing to do with being a Muslim or not since it is still debatable. But the fact is that their are story that the Khmer actually came from India and mix with the native in SEA along the coast. Their is an old story about the Indian Prince who sail into the East for trade and exploration. It was his god Shiva who thrive him to go further into the horizon of the blue easterly Ocean.

good for me. ^still doesn't stop you from being a butthurt khamen that u r.

so u agree that ur people aren't mongoloid?

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I think you look more a fat Thai then Viet!! Why i couldn't find your pic at Filipino forum anymore there anymore? Did you delete it? Lolzzzz

LMAO.

Sir, I never posted my picture on AF. I believe you mistaken me for someone else.

Oops!! Is that what you told me last time you were Khmerking? Is your brain okay?? you can find some treatment if you want relax make your self cure as well! ^^

Sir, Khmerking is my banned account. But I have never posted a picture of myself on that account. Like I said, you've must of my mistaken my post with someone else.

So what do you think about Khmerking?? how many here?? Anyways, I don't care about your troll!

How come cambodians have like korean or chinesr last name? Kim, song, n etc.

QUOTE (iyahcure @ Feb 12 2013, 03:51 AM)

How come cambodians have like korean or chinesr last name? Kim, song, n etc.

I am not sure why. A few years ago someone asked a similar question in this forum, I think many of the responses suggested that the Kim last name was either Khmer Krom from Vietnam or just Chinese emigree living in Cambodia. Very few Koreans emigrated to Cambodia in ancient time so the link is very remote.

Don't know about the last names Song, N etc... But wikipedia has a short list of Cambodian First Names and its meanings. Apparently, the name Kim means gold in chinese, khmer and korean as well .

In reality... Khmer call them self as Neak. Let find out why.,

Khmer is the people who live at this southeast Asia mainland, I don't know when but not during 2000 years where most people believe that history start from there maybe according the chinese and inscription.

Khmer > Kamee > Mee (Mother) Mother (English) female = Srey (Khmer) >Shree (Sanskrit), Shree = supreme (English)

Evidence- ancient Khmer call all female as Mee according to Zhu Da Guan Chinese spy visit Angkor wat late 12century.
The word Mee still used in Khmer meaning supreme for examples Meephum (chief of village), Meedai (thumb), Meeliek (multiple number used as foundation to calculate number), MeeKar (Manager)....
Srey used to apply in front of king name for example: King Sreysetha, King Sreychetha, King Sreysokunbuth...
Shree (sanskrit) > Srey (Khmer= female) > serey (khmer= happinesee)
Khmer call them self as Neak (Khmer) > Naga (sanskrit) = a great snake (English) Naga or Neak also meaning Supreme.

Apsar Mera and Eisei Kampu is the myth found in Basie Cham krung inscription during the 11 century. This story is found when Khmer introduce to the new name of kambudesa, and when the angkorian king trying to build the great mega projects for gods and the citizen are angel but Khmer still remember their traditional story have been pass down by Khmer hundred years before is the story of Preah Tong ( a great golden man- Khmer name call by local Khmer ) Neang Neak ( a supreme lady).