The military aspects are way overrated. I think the chinese nationalism is potent force to reckon with. No country on earth wants to face the wrath of chinese nationalism. It's more potent than the Chinese government CCP itself.
Japan had sampled it a while back.. Public demonstrations were on public, Japanese stores were trashed..Public chant for boycotting Japanese goods.....etc Japanese officials got really scard by such public emotion and asked the CCP to do something to tone down the public anger.... which CCP eventually did and controlled the situation.
France had sampled it over the tibet issues, especially president Sarkozy. China has cancelled most of the contracts with France. On the recent trip, CHina bypassed France... Because of economic losses, Former France president will lead a group french businessmen to CHina for Fence mending... Now even in France, people have mass public protests against Sarkozy and calling for his resignation.
regardless of what CCP does, Chinese nationalism will be a force to reckon with especially regarding to territorial intergrity such as Tibet, Taiwan...etc ...
Full Version: Who can defeat Chinese Nationalism?
Money.
It is a force to be reckoned with, but is it beneficial to China is the more important question?
QUOTE(Red Fox Ace @ Mar 27 2009, 07:02 PM) [snapback]4179238[/snapback]
It is a force to be reckoned with, but is it beneficial to China is the more important question?
Whether it's good or not only Chinese people can answer that question, not taiwaneses, japneses, or Americans.
Well, it can be good and bad.
QUOTE(Red Fox Ace @ Mar 27 2009, 06:02 PM) [snapback]4179238[/snapback]
It is a force to be reckoned with, but is it beneficial to China is the more important question?
Tremendously beneficial.
But actually Chinese nationalism is not fully constructed yet.
There is still unfinished business, such as the unsettled civil war between the Republicans and the Plebeians, the rather weak nation-building internally among some groups such as the Western Chinese peoples, and the feeble link to the enormous potential of the Overseas Chinese peoples.
QUOTE(EazyMoney @ Mar 27 2009, 07:12 PM) [snapback]4179311[/snapback]
Whether it's good or not only Chinese people can answer that question, not taiwaneses, japneses, or Americans.
You made a serious error and a fatal mistake.
Taiwanese people are 100% Chinese.
Once you agree in your mind to set them aside and take them as a different people, then you have succeeded in helping the DPP.
Drop this mentality and correct your mistake.
QUOTE(Yinheidi @ Mar 27 2009, 06:02 PM) [snapback]4179237[/snapback]
Money.
Actually it is quite the opposite. In China, the more money one has the more nationalism one will become. The poor don’t have leisure times and money to travel around and learn things. Their lives are revolving getting enough to eat and shelter.
QUOTE(EazyMoney @ Mar 27 2009, 08:12 PM) [snapback]4179311[/snapback]
Whether it's good or not only Chinese people can answer that question, not taiwaneses, japneses, or Americans.
What now, you're saying Taiwanese aren't Chinese, eh?
QUOTE(newties21 @ Mar 27 2009, 08:28 PM) [snapback]4179331[/snapback]
Tremendously beneficial.
There's the constructive sort of nationalism, and there's the destructive kind.
It seems more negative. It seems more that Chinese nationalism these days - the Japanese-hating, American-hating, car-wrecking, death-threat version - hardly puts itself in a better position than the American Neocons who are so hated on this forum - basically "My country, right or wrong." In a sense, it's almost more "Hate-triotism" than patriotism.
Instead, wouldn't it be better for Chinese nationalism to call for sacrifice, mutual effort, aid and support of the CCP leadership, constructive efforts.
True, but the most that has led to is the Anti-Japanese riots. In the end, it has produced more net gain than net-loss, and it's just not a real threat anymore to outsiders. The nationalists hold rallies, but that's all.
you'll be surprise with american nationalism.
i heard on the radio from this channel, the hosts calling americans to stop buying japan brand cars.
and japan is suppose to be american's wife.
i heard on the radio from this channel, the hosts calling americans to stop buying japan brand cars.
and japan is suppose to be american's wife.
QUOTE(EazyMoney @ Mar 27 2009, 06:42 PM) [snapback]4179221[/snapback]
Who can defeat Chinese Nationalism?
Nationalism ???? You got the wrong word. The correct word is "PATRIOTISM" !!!
I mentioned this is another post but the biggest problem I see with Chinese nationalists these days is that anything their people does is right and they can do no wrong whatsoever. This is seen in virtually every aspect of life from politics, economics to social issues. Next thing you know, some of them are going to dispute grades with their teachers saying "Hey I'm Chinese, I'm logically incapable of getting an answer wrong!"
QUOTE(CTM2000 @ Mar 28 2009, 10:29 AM) [snapback]4180223[/snapback]
I mentioned this is another post but the biggest problem I see with Chinese nationalists these days is that anything their people does is right and they can do no wrong whatsoever. This is seen in virtually every aspect of life from politics, economics to social issues. Next thing you know, some of them are going to dispute grades with their teachers saying "Hey I'm Chinese, I'm logically incapable of getting an answer wrong!"
Chinese can do no wrong in my eyes jk
i don't see that there is any difference between chinese nationalist and nationalist of other cultures. Thats why there are holocaust denyers, armenian massacre denyers, nanjing denyers and so on...
QUOTE(CTM2000 @ Mar 28 2009, 11:29 AM) [snapback]4180223[/snapback]
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Chinese nationalists these days is that anything their people does is right and they can do no wrong whatsoever. This is seen in virtually every aspect of life from politics, economics to social issues.
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Chinese nationalists these days is that anything their people does is right and they can do no wrong whatsoever. This is seen in virtually every aspect of life from politics, economics to social issues.
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A lot of them can see a lot of wrongs, such as the problems with corruption or weak legal environment or ineffective government performance.
I am not sure it is correct to say Chinese nationalists do not see wrongs.
But back to RFA's post, I see nationalism as more beneficial because it pulls people to China. The Chinese have a glue to use that balances against instability. Furthermore, it works even better with overseas Chinese, because it then lures them back to China where they will apply their skills and capital.
Yes, there are the occasional boycotts and protests, but they rarely last long, and they tend to fizzle out given enough time. In actuality, the central government is remarkably insulated, so it tends to avoid or keep down nationalism that affects home. Even during the Koizumi era, when both sides were tossing poo at each other, trade still increased.
Yes, there are the occasional boycotts and protests, but they rarely last long, and they tend to fizzle out given enough time. In actuality, the central government is remarkably insulated, so it tends to avoid or keep down nationalism that affects home. Even during the Koizumi era, when both sides were tossing poo at each other, trade still increased.
Who can defeat Chinese nationalism?
No one but the Chinese themselves.
What can?
Understanding of other cultures that hopefully leads to an end of "I'm better than you because I'm Chinese." mentality (see: 中国). When someone mentioned American nationalism earlier, it's important for us all to note that American society and Chinese society are very similar in a nationalistic sense. And American nationalism is just as moronic. I mean, come on, really, people are still advocating economic protectionism? Nationalism like we saw last year with boycotts of Carrefour, one-day boycotts of KFC is just as bad and the people who participated are probably the same tools who the government pays to write good things about them on Chinese internet forums (五毛).
No one but the Chinese themselves.
What can?
Understanding of other cultures that hopefully leads to an end of "I'm better than you because I'm Chinese." mentality (see: 中国). When someone mentioned American nationalism earlier, it's important for us all to note that American society and Chinese society are very similar in a nationalistic sense. And American nationalism is just as moronic. I mean, come on, really, people are still advocating economic protectionism? Nationalism like we saw last year with boycotts of Carrefour, one-day boycotts of KFC is just as bad and the people who participated are probably the same tools who the government pays to write good things about them on Chinese internet forums (五毛).
as chinese develop economically and culturally, region differences will develop into provocations
chinese intolerance for provocation will increase regionial identity at the expense of national identity
therefore, chinese own intolerance will defeat nationalism.
chinese intolerance for provocation will increase regionial identity at the expense of national identity
therefore, chinese own intolerance will defeat nationalism.
QUOTE(Red Fox Ace @ Mar 27 2009, 08:50 PM) [snapback]4179351[/snapback]
There's the constructive sort of nationalism, and there's the destructive kind.
It seems more negative. It seems more that Chinese nationalism these days - the Japanese-hating, American-hating, car-wrecking, death-threat version - hardly puts itself in a better position than the American Neocons who are so hated on this forum - basically "My country, right or wrong." In a sense, it's almost more "Hate-triotism" than patriotism.
Instead, wouldn't it be better for Chinese nationalism to call for sacrifice, mutual effort, aid and support of the CCP leadership, constructive efforts.
It seems more negative. It seems more that Chinese nationalism these days - the Japanese-hating, American-hating, car-wrecking, death-threat version - hardly puts itself in a better position than the American Neocons who are so hated on this forum - basically "My country, right or wrong." In a sense, it's almost more "Hate-triotism" than patriotism.
Instead, wouldn't it be better for Chinese nationalism to call for sacrifice, mutual effort, aid and support of the CCP leadership, constructive efforts.
Chinese should channel their patriotism into efforts to improve the country, less on bashing other countries.
Nationalism can only be defeated by one thing; education.
Anyone who learns about anthropolgy, sociology, political science and psychology will immediately reject nationalism as a childish lie designed to give the government more power.
However, governments (such as the USA, China, Zimbabwe or N. Korea) which use nationalism to manipulate the population into giving them more power will oppose such education where possible, because the knowledge of it reveals the government's tactics.
Anyone who learns about anthropolgy, sociology, political science and psychology will immediately reject nationalism as a childish lie designed to give the government more power.
However, governments (such as the USA, China, Zimbabwe or N. Korea) which use nationalism to manipulate the population into giving them more power will oppose such education where possible, because the knowledge of it reveals the government's tactics.
QUOTE(nesquik @ Apr 20 2009, 07:18 AM) [snapback]4203360[/snapback]
Nationalism can only be defeated by one thing; education.
Anyone who learns about anthropolgy, sociology, political science and psychology will immediately reject nationalism as a childish lie designed to give the government more power.
However, governments (such as the USA, China, Zimbabwe or N. Korea) which use nationalism to manipulate the population into giving them more power will oppose such education where possible, because the knowledge of it reveals the government's tactics.
Anyone who learns about anthropolgy, sociology, political science and psychology will immediately reject nationalism as a childish lie designed to give the government more power.
However, governments (such as the USA, China, Zimbabwe or N. Korea) which use nationalism to manipulate the population into giving them more power will oppose such education where possible, because the knowledge of it reveals the government's tactics.
Socialism can only be defeated by one thing; education.
Anyone who learns about anthropolgy, sociology, political science and psychology will immediately reject socialism as a childish lie designed to give the government more power.
However, governments (such as the USA, China, Zimbabwe or N. Korea) which use socialism to manipulate the population into giving them more power will oppose such education where possible, because the knowledge of it reveals the government's tactics.
So much for your one-sided education...
Carefully dropped JDAMs. No people, no nationalism. No roaches, no infestation.
QUOTE(Yinheidi @ Mar 27 2009, 07:02 PM) [snapback]4179237[/snapback]
Money.
This is the only realistic answer here. However, if the Nationalists seize control and begin to print their own money supply, this will not be an issue.
The other thing that could destroy Nationalism is Nationalists themselves, if they lose sight of what Nationalism really is, Nationalism is not universal, it is tailor made for the RACE that implements this form of Government on THEMSELVES. You cannot force your Nationalism on a foreign culture/race.
in order to defeat nationalist, you have to know what nationalism is
1, nationalism is to award the noble peace prize to a slave master
2, nationalism is to use picture of nepal/indian police to demonize china
........ect, ect
1, nationalism is to award the noble peace prize to a slave master
2, nationalism is to use picture of nepal/indian police to demonize china
........ect, ect
korean nationalism
when they claim china is their's, it's gonna be all over.
when they claim china is their's, it's gonna be all over.
QUOTE(SkyLegenD @ Apr 21 2009, 06:19 PM) [snapback]4204726[/snapback]
korean nationalism
when they claim china is their's, it's gonna be all over.
when they claim china is their's, it's gonna be all over.
Oh look, more instigation from the likes of you, I bet you are an america too.
Malcom X?
QUOTE(nesquik @ Apr 20 2009, 07:18 PM) [snapback]4203360[/snapback]
Nationalism can only be defeated by one thing; education.
Anyone who learns about anthropolgy, sociology, political science and psychology will immediately reject nationalism as a childish lie designed to give the government more power.
However, governments (such as the USA, China, Zimbabwe or N. Korea) which use nationalism to manipulate the population into giving them more power will oppose such education where possible, because the knowledge of it reveals the government's tactics.
Anyone who learns about anthropolgy, sociology, political science and psychology will immediately reject nationalism as a childish lie designed to give the government more power.
However, governments (such as the USA, China, Zimbabwe or N. Korea) which use nationalism to manipulate the population into giving them more power will oppose such education where possible, because the knowledge of it reveals the government's tactics.
To say a country with nationalism is a country with less education seems no based facts.
From observation, usually it's educated young Chinese who go along with goverment's propaganda and supports. Most Chinese supports govnt's Tibet treatment and uneducated Chinese has no interest in it. I also think Chinese nationalism has different characteritics from any other countries, it evolves history, memories of shameful past, west vs east etc..approaching is very different from how Korea/Japan were in 20C.
No matter how rational it is, who has more power would just win.
QUOTE (kimbongnam1 @ May 1 2009, 03:55 AM) 
To say a country with nationalism is a country with less education seems no based facts.
From observation, usually it's educated young Chinese who go along with goverment's propaganda and supports. Most Chinese supports govnt's Tibet treatment and uneducated Chinese has no interest in it. I also think Chinese nationalism has different characteritics from any other countries, it evolves history, memories of shameful past, west vs east etc..approaching is very different from how Korea/Japan were in 20C.
No matter how rational it is, who has more power would just win.
From observation, usually it's educated young Chinese who go along with goverment's propaganda and supports. Most Chinese supports govnt's Tibet treatment and uneducated Chinese has no interest in it. I also think Chinese nationalism has different characteritics from any other countries, it evolves history, memories of shameful past, west vs east etc..approaching is very different from how Korea/Japan were in 20C.
No matter how rational it is, who has more power would just win.
Exactly, nationalism has no correlation to education. Ignorant people can be just as nationalistic as well educated people. Some of the nationalists have extensive knowledge into anthropology & the ancient history of other countries. Yet, just as many are ignorant, generalizing fools who are blinded by propaganda.
QUOTE(metalhead @ May 2 2009, 08:04 PM) [snapback]4217045[/snapback]
Exactly, nationalism has no correlation to education. Ignorant people can be just as nationalistic as well educated people. Look at some of the nationalists on Stormfront, some of them have extensive knowledge into anthropology & the ancient history of other countries. Yet, just as many are ignorant, generalizing fools who are blinded by propaganda.
I am a bit curiously how to define a nationalism?
QUOTE(truthstilltruth @ May 3 2009, 11:19 AM) [snapback]4217062[/snapback]
I am a bit curiously how to define a nationalism?
Simply put, it's devotion & love towards a nation but there are different forms of nationalism (political, ethnic, religious or civic to name a few). Usually, people incorrectly associate nationalism with supremacy, racism & hate. This is not the case.
Educated people know to learn from history
in the west: history says to stay away from violence and zealous passions, or people can end up killing each other
in china: history say we must embrace the zeal to defend our country, or people can end up killing us.
in the west: history says to stay away from violence and zealous passions, or people can end up killing each other
in china: history say we must embrace the zeal to defend our country, or people can end up killing us.
Other nationalists who claim more zeal than others. That probaly defeats most ideals
German Nationalism or Japan Nationalism can beatChinese Nationalism. They are more Nazis than Chinazis. 
I think that chinese nationalim is very good. Nationalism make you feel like a part in a group, every country should encourage nationalism. And if China didnt take in immigrants from other countries such as africa/Middle East it would be all good. The crime-rates would be lower...
Will probably give you reasons another time... Dont have the energy to do it now..
Will probably give you reasons another time... Dont have the energy to do it now..
Coming back from China recently, I can tell you that Chinese nationalism is definitely surging. As China grows stronger, richer and more powerful, Chinese sense of pride and self-confidence is rising.
China is the most nationalistic country on earth BAR NONE. Plus, it is the largest nation on earth with 1.3 billion people. This means that China will be aggressively pursuing goals to serve its national interests and improve its standing in the world. Therefore, China will likely be the most powerful nation for many years to come very soon.
China is the most nationalistic country on earth BAR NONE. Plus, it is the largest nation on earth with 1.3 billion people. This means that China will be aggressively pursuing goals to serve its national interests and improve its standing in the world. Therefore, China will likely be the most powerful nation for many years to come very soon.
Funny how the two things the Communist party tried to fight against during the civil war... nationalism and capitalism.... are now almost the basis in which China is swimming in.
How does the CCP still retain legitimacy?
How does the CCP still retain legitimacy?
QUOTE(karupt @ May 9 2009, 04:59 AM) [snapback]4225323[/snapback]
Funny how the two things the Communist party tried to fight against during the civil war... nationalism and capitalism.... are now almost the basis in which China is swimming in.
How does the CCP still retain legitimacy?
How does the CCP still retain legitimacy?
Because the CCP now promotes Nationalism and Capitalism.
QUOTE(karupt @ May 9 2009, 04:59 AM) [snapback]4225323[/snapback]
How does the CCP still retain legitimacy?
The CCP retains its legitimacy in the way any other governments in the world retains its legitimacy.
How does the Democratic Party or Republican Party in USA retain its legitimacy?
How does the Al-Saud royal family in Saudi Arabia retain its legitimacy?
There is nothing special about CCP or communism or no popular vote.
All governments in the world need to do the same things to gain legitimacy:
1. economy, jobs
2. stability, security, peace
Good-governance is the key.
QUOTE(karupt @ May 9 2009, 04:59 AM) [snapback]4225323[/snapback]
Funny how the two things the Communist party tried to fight against during the civil war... nationalism and capitalism.... are now almost the basis in which China is swimming in.
How does the CCP still retain legitimacy?
How does the CCP still retain legitimacy?
CCP fought the "nationalists", not nationalism. Patriotic education was always a big part of CCP's program, although the early decades emphasized patriotism+internationalism.
China is NOT capitalist. This is a misrepresentation by westerners because they think any prosperous society is trying to become like them
. China is market socialist--market economy with a powerful state sector and state management. There are many wealthy businessmen and owners, but they are NOT capitalists, because they cannot influence politics!
QUOTE(nesquik @ Apr 20 2009, 06:18 AM) [snapback]4203360[/snapback]
Nationalism can only be defeated by one thing; education.
Anyone who learns about anthropolgy, sociology, political science and psychology will immediately reject nationalism as a childish lie designed to give the government more power.
However, governments (such as the USA, China, Zimbabwe or N. Korea) which use nationalism to manipulate the population into giving them more power will oppose such education where possible, because the knowledge of it reveals the government's tactics.
Anyone who learns about anthropolgy, sociology, political science and psychology will immediately reject nationalism as a childish lie designed to give the government more power.
However, governments (such as the USA, China, Zimbabwe or N. Korea) which use nationalism to manipulate the population into giving them more power will oppose such education where possible, because the knowledge of it reveals the government's tactics.
Wrong understanding of the meaning of "nationalism"
When you work hard for a running competition for your school, this is a form of "nationalism"
When you cheer for a sports team, donate money to a certain cause, this is a form of "nationalism"
Nationalism seem to be bad and evil to you. But my understanding of nationalism concept is different to yours. Nationalism is having a spirit to work and achieve a goal for others and for the bigger group.
QUOTE (EazyMoney @ Mar 27 2009, 05:42 PM)
The military aspects are way overrated. I think the chinese nationalism is potent force to reckon with. No country on earth wants to face the wrath of chinese nationalism. It's more potent than the Chinese government CCP itself.
Japan had sampled it a while back.. Public demonstrations were on public, Japanese stores were trashed..Public chant for boycotting Japanese goods.....etc Japanese officials got really scard by such public emotion and asked the CCP to do something to tone down the public anger.... which CCP eventually did and controlled the situation.
France had sampled it over the tibet issues, especially president Sarkozy. China has cancelled most of the contracts with France. On the recent trip, CHina bypassed France... Because of economic losses, Former France president will lead a group french businessmen to CHina for Fence mending... Now even in France, people have mass public protests against Sarkozy and calling for his resignation.
regardless of what CCP does, Chinese nationalism will be a force to reckon with especially regarding to territorial intergrity such as Tibet, Taiwan...etc ...
Japan had sampled it a while back.. Public demonstrations were on public, Japanese stores were trashed..Public chant for boycotting Japanese goods.....etc Japanese officials got really scard by such public emotion and asked the CCP to do something to tone down the public anger.... which CCP eventually did and controlled the situation.
France had sampled it over the tibet issues, especially president Sarkozy. China has cancelled most of the contracts with France. On the recent trip, CHina bypassed France... Because of economic losses, Former France president will lead a group french businessmen to CHina for Fence mending... Now even in France, people have mass public protests against Sarkozy and calling for his resignation.
regardless of what CCP does, Chinese nationalism will be a force to reckon with especially regarding to territorial intergrity such as Tibet, Taiwan...etc ...
Pic related.
There is a difference between nationalism and patriotism. Nationalism is for unthinking tools and is, as Orwell puts it, one of the greatest enemies to peace. There is no more a cure for nationalism than there is for genital warts; it will always come back and is a constant source of embarrassment.
Nationalisme can be a good thing but it shouldnt be too strong. If the nationalisme is too strong then you can go blind for your country believing everything its says and does will be good. Wich ofcouse isnt, every country has its flaws, but to see them you cant be blind with patriotisme. To be effective country you must see your own mistakes to better yourself. Every goverment in the world makes bad choices, also the chinese goverment.
Huh, most people can't even agree on what constitutes nationalism. I think the main difference is that nationalism is driven by fear & patriotism isn't.
QUOTE (zhengchenggong @ May 8 2009, 10:46 PM)
Coming back from China recently, I can tell you that Chinese nationalism is definitely surging. As China grows stronger, richer and more powerful, Chinese sense of pride and self-confidence is rising.
China is the most nationalistic country on earth BAR NONE. Plus, it is the largest nation on earth with 1.3 billion people. This means that China will be aggressively pursuing goals to serve its national interests and improve its standing in the world. Therefore, China will likely be the most powerful nation for many years to come very soon.
China is the most nationalistic country on earth BAR NONE. Plus, it is the largest nation on earth with 1.3 billion people. This means that China will be aggressively pursuing goals to serve its national interests and improve its standing in the world. Therefore, China will likely be the most powerful nation for many years to come very soon.
Hate to burst your bubble. But, your statements are not true. I don't think Mainland Chinese have more nationalism , rather no more than any of the other country anywhere. I was in China pre-Olypmic. I was asking the folks there where to buy Olympic coins. Most did not know, and did not care. I finally found a bank that sold them. The Bank clerk sold me 3, and her attitude was "don't care about Olympics". I was quite shocked that no one China cared about the Olympics or showed any nationalism at all.
I think overseas Chinese show much more nationalism toward China, than the Chinese who actually live in China. In Fact, when I was in China, the Chinese there are more involved with their everyday lives. I have never see one Mainland Chinese in China trying to promote China at all.
I have to wonder, why are the overseas Chinese so obcessed with Chinese nationalism??
QUOTE (sunt @ Aug 1 2009, 09:55 AM)
I have to wonder, why are the overseas Chinese so obcessed with Chinese nationalism??
It's a reaction to the sinophobic sentiment in western countries. Some are just tired of media/people spreading mistruths about their own country but feel like no one will listen to what they have to say so they vent their frustration with nationalism. It's understandable.
QUOTE (metalhead @ Jul 31 2009, 07:06 PM)
It's a reaction to the sinophobic sentiment in western countries. Some are just tired of media/people spreading mistruths about their own country but feel like no one will listen to what they have to say so they vent their frustration with nationalism. It's understandable.
What mistruths about you referring to? Which news article from the western media about China is a mistruth? The western media has been pretty neutral regarding China. They have wrote on the economic prosperity as well as illogical and aggressive actions by the Chinese government.
It is common knowledge that if you really want to read a country's news, you have to read what other people are saying about you.
During the Iraq war, up to 5000 US soldiers ran away and refuse to serve. I read this in an Asian news article and not from an American media. Again, you have to read what others are saying about you to get the most accurate picture.
QUOTE (sunt @ Jul 31 2009, 07:55 PM)
Hate to burst your bubble. But, your statements are not true. I don't think Mainland Chinese have more nationalism , rather no more than any of the other country anywhere. I was in China pre-Olypmic. I was asking the folks there where to buy Olympic coins. Most did not know, and did not care. I finally found a bank that sold them. The Bank clerk sold me 3, and her attitude was "don't care about Olympics". I was quite shocked that no one China cared about the Olympics or showed any nationalism at all.
I think overseas Chinese show much more nationalism toward China, than the Chinese who actually live in China. In Fact, when I was in China, the Chinese there are more involved with their everyday lives. I have never see one Mainland Chinese in China trying to promote China at all.
I have to wonder, why are the overseas Chinese so obcessed with Chinese nationalism??
I think overseas Chinese show much more nationalism toward China, than the Chinese who actually live in China. In Fact, when I was in China, the Chinese there are more involved with their everyday lives. I have never see one Mainland Chinese in China trying to promote China at all.
I have to wonder, why are the overseas Chinese so obcessed with Chinese nationalism??
im sorry but that is wayyyy off. maybe you met old people who did not care as much.
its the chinese who are from mainland that is the most nationalistic. they were the ones that pushed the chinese uni groups to hold the anti tibet independence protest.
not to mention they started that whole
<3 China
on msn thing. they put a rainbow during the sichuan earthquake. dont underestimate these mainland fobs man. they really love China.
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=(L...earch&meta=
http://shanghaiist.com/2008/04/16/national...heart-china.php
http://home.wangjianshuo.com/archives/2008...n_messenger.htm
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