On Monday, individuals at BKIS -- a Vietnamese security firm which makes the BKAV antivirus software -- announced that they had uncovered clues which lead to the belief that the virus originated in China. Previously, it was believed that the origination of the virus was either Europe or Russia (due to certain IP address ranges which trace back to Russia being ignored by the virus).


http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-41883-108.html

Pure luck, I bet this viet firm claims every virus is originated in China due to their unreasonable hate towards China, and this time they happened to be right, you know even a broken clock can be right twice in a day

^ lol

That saying is merely a mirror reflection of yourself.

You're the one who always in vietchat making unreasonable comments because of your hatred and bitterness toward Viets.

Totally agree +1

Pure luck, I bet this Canadian firm claims every virus is originated in China due to their unreasonable hate towards China, and this time they happened to be right, you know even a broken clock can be right twice in a day

Read---> http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=198233

Troll needs a mirror...

+10

i like this quote. you heard that MyEmpireVistaCrap ....

Next time when there is a new virus, let me know. I'll say China and collect $25,000.

holy
pls becareful

are there any vietnamese that want to join china?

are there any chinese that want to join VIETNAM?

Cambridge also said they're from China.

So...do we know which part of our system has been spied and can we kill this parasite?

Let's respect each other and do not treat each other like trash.

You are a Zhuang soilder and not a Chinese. You probably already knew who Zhuang people fight the most through out history.

What is the essence of all these "Chinese virus" articles..?

When Caesar was stabbed by Brutus, he said these words:

"Et tu, Brute?"

I would like to say these words to Vietnamese members here:

"Et tu, Viets?"

Those articles are clearly forming a pattern. It is an usual pattern of Chinese demonization.
This is not simply a case of a computer virus.
This is a political piece, with ulterior motives behind it.

This is all just a propaganda.

Let me ask this question, what is so special about a virus?

What is so special about computer espionage?

Are you sure China is the only country doing computer espionage, and other countries' intelligence agencies do not have it?

Are you sure other countries do not have hackers, or virus makers?

I think the Vietnamese mind should guard against divide-and-conquer strategy being waged by outsiders. By this I mean real outsiders, because in the end, Viets and Chinese are like cousins. No matter what happened, or what people say. And there is a lot to be gained when the close cultural links is revived finally and trust is rebuilt again.

If the country wants to be respected and trusted, please do not do something like this below.

I guess whether Vietnamese are Chinese is always an emotional topic down there


China doesn't claim that map as territorial waters. They just don't stop lying. China claims islands. The nine red lines are just illustrative, they are not what we claim.
The survey ship was in our exclusive economic zone mapping the frigging ocean floor. The only purpose is for submarine warfare, right outside the Sanya naval base. Once they map the sea floor, they gain the topographical information, forever.
This is inexcusable behavior at a time when the US is seeking cooperation.

That icon is not 57 nm off hainan (maybe the mast is lol). they intentionally put it on the blue line to make it look as if it's controversial.

What am I supposed to say about that.

I am not so familiar with Spratlys issue, but my understanding is that it is a disputed territory.

Actually that place is quite troublesome. If you look at it, u can see it is near several countries.
Up to today there are 5-6 countries or so claiming it.

Since it is a disputed territory and previously not controlled by anyone, of course the 6 claimants will try to do some things or advance their positions.

The conflicting claimants have met and have already agreed to lower tensions and avoid any conflicts.

There is also some ASEAN-China mechanism related to Spratlys protocol.

But I think this issue is not something special, because in truth territorial dispute is rather common among nations in the world.
It should be noted that these Spratlys islands is uninhabited and are far from anyone. Nobody is really thinking that their country is getting invaded or its land stolen. It is just a rush or a grab for a new land.

Vietnam and China just concluded a land border treaty. This is a big achievement and is much more important than this Spratlys issue, because it concerns the main national boundaries of the two nations. This is the big picture, and this is the real indicator.

^^^
china really good in double-talk eh?...

Please no more "Chinese virus"

This is a cruel vilification campaign.

I think Vietnam and China are moving towards a new milieu.

Other than land border treaty, there are lots of harmony and synchronization as well.

Actually, the 2 nations have similar fates.

After a period of war and internal chaos, plus some time of poverty, now both nations have opened up its economy, and are growing rapidly.

Now in times of world recession, Vietnam and China are among the few nations who are immune from negative growth.

Both also had other similar fates. Vietnam successfully hosted a few Miss Universe contests which opened up its country further and promoted its image to the world.

It should be noted also that when Phillipinnes recently passed their maritime law, the 2 nations which made some official complaints are Vietnam, and China.

Chinese get a lot of hate but I have always felt being hated by
Taiwan, HK, Singapore and *Vietnam* was rather okay. It's like when someone in your family hates you.

Vietnam's land size is about 330,000 km^2.

The South East Asia Sea is about 3,500,000 km^2, which is at least 10 times bigger than Vietnam.


The father of Vietnamese, Lac Long Quan, was originated from the Ocean.


Please think carefully.

I really don't understand what comment means here, SoCal, can you please clarify?

What I am saying is that the ocean size of the South East Asia Sea is also important for Vietnam.

how about a joint china vietnam operation to evict the other losers? we split the results 25/75. China needs vietnam to deflect attention

No, nobody wants to be anybody's b i t c h.

socal
di CHOI DI hong ?

unless you're thinking win-win

@FinestAsian: SoCal is famous for making nonsense random comments. Just ignore him.

@newties: China doesn't have a legitimate right to claim Spratley islands for whatever reason. Go look up the map and see how far Spartley is to China. They are near the Malaysian islands...And no, you can't bring the example of US and Hawaii in because Hawaii is in the middle of the Pacific Ocean (Hawaii is not close to any country while Spratley is close to South Vietnam, Malaysia and Philippines) and there were a large American population living on Hawaii (but there's no chinese living on Spratley except the military stationing in a few islands). You can say things like China can take those islands by force because China has an advanced navy but don't be such a hypocrite and talk about how good China is and that China has a legitimate right claim of Spratley.

I think the closest ones are Malaysia, Philippines, and Brunai.

ahh more fake Chinese peace makers...trying to soften you up and put a knife in your back. It is rarely to see direct enemy these days. If I do see one, it fills me with joy. It is a blessing. These illusive Chinese enemy are so subtle and indirect. they are taking from you while soften you with flowery words for distraction.



Vietnamese people are weak and easily persuaded. With such strategies you've actually won over almost the entire population.

You take land from us then you turn around and say everything's cool? Try stealing from somebody and then convince them that you guys can be friends. If that's the kind of "harmony and synchronization" you're selling, I say fu-k that, nobody's buying.

*inserts middle finger emoticon*

I think newties is just naive. She isn't aware of the wrong deeds of the government of her country. I don't think she's some imperialist (like Hafiz) pretending to be friendly.

I agree, newties is just curious and chinasoldier6 has been here before and was just trying to attract attention from XigonCongChua .
Anyway, I have to make sure everyone knows that my actions and my words are only used for my people and nations only. I never have any hate on anyone.
One of the good point we can take from these posts of newties and chinasoldier6 though, and this is for ASEAN countries:
if Vietnam indeed goes along with China in the East Sea dispute and agree on another sea border agreement (eventhough I think Vietnam will lose some of its territory in this case), imagine that will bring unstability to other ASEAN countries (but stability to China and Vietnam) since comparing to other ASEAN countries, Vietnam still has better military power.
This would be a benefit for both China and Vietnam, in term of China can be assured that Vietnam will be keep the South of East Sea clear for them while they are working on other areas.
I would only say this so that all of us ASEAN countries can see this threat, and to let other countries know that not only them can have an agreement with China but Vietnam can aslo. And so far, I think China's policy already signaled some of these step between Vietnam-China relation.
We, ASEAN, need to continue to work harder to protect the East Sea. We need to unite to bring peace and free access to the region. If we don't, we will be taken over individually. I think this would be hard considering other SEA countries never had a good record on being persistent and brave. They never had a chance to taste a war with China like Vietnam so this will be a very intimidating task. No offense, just a wake up call for all of us.

passive aggressive warriors. Any attempt to bend people to your will is an act of aggression.They use flattery to draw you into their web, drawn on your insecurity. They try to make you feel guilty, if they succeed then they're very skilled. It is often your weakness that suck you into this. not me mann mama didn't raise no sucka.

...although the only way to beat them is to play their own game.

Newties is a girl?!?

well I have a feeling that newties is a girl...the chinese males on this board are mostly aggressive

what about you?
youre always mean to me

actually never mind. I checked "his" profile.

Newties is a boy. sorry

Please forgive me. MyEmpire and Hafiz just gave me a bad image of Chinese males on this board.

He just told you that thousands of years ago all viets are fish

LOL

this is real funny...chinese nationalist are now desperately courting the viets.
well, good luck getting through the heart of xigon, losers...

china will never get the spratleys! i'd rather see it all possesed by any SEA countries than china!

thank you for explaining subtly I have won a good image with you

It's not helpful if some Vietnamese are always seeing enemies in the shadows. Just reading some of these comments make me understand how difficult it would have been to maintain relations after 1975. I don't think Vietnamese should deny China put all its heart into helping Vietnam win its liberation. Maybe both sides felt short of engaging good politics after 1975, but if you think about the issues that led to conflict, they were just very silly. I think China should have recognized Vietnam has some legitimacy to express its nationalism after unification, on the other hand Vietnam should have paid more respect to china's big brother position.

By 1978 Deng said China had spent $20 billion to help Vietnam. The average GDP of China over that period was only about $150 billion. One quarter of government expenditure was on defense, and so little consumption was available to the growing population.

China supplied Vietnam's 1975 offensive even at a time it desperately needed to build relations with USA. China gave Vietnam priority in weapons over its own troops. In 1979 Chinese infantry were armed with only semi automatic rifle.

[quote name='ChinaSoldier6' date='Apr 2 2009, 03:45 AM' post='4185174']
I don't think Vietnamese should deny China put all its heart into helping Vietnam win its liberation.

please replace the word "all" with "some" kiss

It is also believed that the modern day Vietnamese was originally from southern China.

Don't forget China enjoyed spending its dollars on Khmer Rouge to kill the Vietnamese around that same time period too. That wouldn't appear too brotherly to them and could be why they're always seeing "enemies in the shadows."

China has the same old motive which is to gain more land and produce more Chinese. They will do it through hook or crook. There's an old saying in ancient China " you must give first in order to take", They help you first to lower your defense and move in for the kill. Some of them will get frustrated because of their inability to persuade Vietnamese into the trap so they call us barbarian, back stabber, slave mentality and use ad hominem attacks.

The East sea belongs to SEA.

hey idiot
get your dates right. that was already 1989!! your 20 year old $hit article is exactly the same $hit western media has flung at us for two decades. I could rip it apart but I don't want to die from smell of $hit. ALSO don't try to pass of the malicious slander of western diplomat as truth!!

Your gov't. concluded military assistance agreements in '76 and '77 with the KR, which covered arms they would use later in the border clashes of '78. You also continued supplying them for many years afterward.

Regarding the Viets, You gave $$$$ to help them, but you also used your $$$$ to kill them. You should at least be fair about this. =P

In the bold sentences. I'd like to clarify what is truth and what is sugar-coated fact.

In politics, everyone is for himself. Beijing did what it has to in order to protect her self-interest. So does everybody.

On the first bold sentence (first point), this is what you see if you look everything under the hood:
Knowing the US had created a buffer zone as a checkpoint in China's back-door on the Northeastern front, Korea. Vietnam would likely be the next Korea, US's southern checkpoint on China. Thus, Beijing would give an arm and a leg to avoid the same situation in Korea. Another important note to keep in mind, Vietnam had two arm suppliers, and the other one was Russia. Beijing was competing with Moscow for the geopolitical influence in the Southeast Asian region. Fearing Moscow would win over Hanoi which mean a buffer zone would be created in China's back-door in the same way the US would if South Vietnam wins. Beijing faced a dilemma. It doesn't matter if either side of the two Vietnam wins or loses, a buffer zone would be created in her back-door. Therefore, Beijing had no choice but to compete with Moscow to bring Hanoi to her side by being an arm supplier.

On the second point, this is main reason for the fall-out between Beijing and Hanoi.

On the eve of North Vietnam's push toward Saigon in 1975, Beijing took this opportunity to attack and to seize Vietnam's territory, Paracel Islands, then South Vietnam's sovereign. Hanoi then sided with Moscow in order to keep the supply-line flowing. Beijing was bitter at Hanoi and vowed to "teach her a lesson", made a deal with the US to not intervene in her affair and by pulling in Cambodia to surround Vietnam the same way Moscow and US had been doing. What's in it for the US on this deal? Beijing would be US's tool for further checking the "domino effect in Southeast Asian bloc". What's in it for Cambodia? South Vietnam, her long lost territory. And what's in it for Beijing? just a bitter old man, Deng Xiaoping. That is why the 1979 incursion into Vietnam was called Deng Xiaoping's war.

In short, politics is a dirty business. Nothing comes as a free lunch. There is no such thing as charity work.
Another fact for you to ponder on. After the war, Vietnam had to pay Moscow for the arm suppliers in the form of exporting commodities.
If Beijing was in the same shoes as Moscow, the same would happen, even worse, more lost territory. This would be the same if South
Vietnam had won. The beneficiary in this case, US.

The laughing Buddha has spoken. Good day!