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trismegistos
Srivijayan Brunei Sultan Ragam: invader of the Majapahitan Seludong/Lusung Kingdom
Ancestor of Soliman,Lakandula,Salalila,Gatbonton,Gatpandan,etc.


Brunei Sultan Ragam was also known as Sultan Bulkeiah or Haring Araw of Borneo http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/4059/ascend.htm .

He bragged that his ancestry included the Srivijayan monarchs, the Macedonian emperor Alexander the Great as well as the great founder of the Moslem faith, prophet Mohammed. He also bragged of his blood relations with the Emperor of China and that he donned the Imperial clothes.

He defeated the Majapahitan sovereign Datu Gambang of the Kingdom of Lusung aka Seludong (as known to the Borneans). Perhaps, taking advantage of the weakening condition of the former empire still reeling from the aftermath of Mt.Pinatubo eruption as well as the thrice subjugation attempts of the Admiral Zheng He, who was sent by the Emperor of China.

The end result of the coming of the Bruneians resulted in the establishment of Manila to safeguard brunei's interest in the maritime trade overlooking Tondo(the eastern capital of Selurung or lusung) and in the intermarriage of his Srivijayan clan with the Clan of the Majapahitan Prince Balagtas, son of Emperor Anka Wijaya/Vijaya of the Majapahit empire with the Empress Sasaban of the kingdom of Namayan/Sapa which was formerly under allegiance to the former Srivijayan Empire or Zabag empire(as it was known to the early moslem writers) or Sanfotsi(as known to the early Chinese chroniclers) or Empire of Sapa which then became Lusung or Luzon Guo or Golden Luzon or Seludong, short of its former glory as Suvarnadvipa(Island of Gold as it was known to the Indians). http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/4059/ascend.htm

Here is his own words... http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/7446/Ragam.htm

Ako'y Si Ragam

Salin sa Pilipino ni Clodualdo del Mundo



Ako si sultan Bulkeiah sa Borneo, na naghahari mula sa lungsod ng kapayapaan, Dar es Salam, sa dalampasigan ng Brunei. Sa Magindanaw at sa Sulu, na kinakikitaan ng unang liwanag ng walang katulad kong asawa, Emperatris Lela Men Chanei, ay tinatawag akong Raha Baginda. At ngayon, dito sa Maynila ay ako ang Sultan at Emperador

Makalawang ulit nang sinalakay ng aking hukbong-dagat ang Selurung, na tinatawag ninyong Lusung, at ngayon ay ako ang nagwagi at nakapanakop. Ang mapanghamig na si Datu Gambang, ang inyong yumaong puno, ay wala na, at ang isang prinsesa mula sa kanyang angkan ay aking pinakasalan upang maipagpatuloy ang dinastiya ng Pasig. Ang magiging anak nami'y siya ninyong magiging maginoo, at dahil sa inyong pamimitagan sa kamaharlikaan ng lipi, alamin ninyo na ako'y kalipi ng dakilang Iskander, ang Alejandro ng malayong Europa, na ang reyna'y anak ni Porus, ang lalong matapang na Indyo, kahinlog ni Sang Sapurba na nagtawid-dagat sa Haba at ang mga kaanak ay namuno sa Johur, pook na pinangyarihan ng pagkuha sa maharlikang prinsesa upang maging kaisangpuso ng aking kanunu-nunuan, Tuan alak ber Tatar. Sa aking mga ugat ay nananalaytay ang dugong Arabe ni Hassim, ang tunay na propeta na maawain at mapagpaumayang Allah. Nasa-akin din ang dugong Intsik, dahil sa isang prinsesa ni Kina Balu, at sa loob ng limang daang taon ay laging suot ng mga hari ng Brunei ang dilaw na kasuutang imperyal bilang pagkilala ng emperador ng Tsina. Malaon na kaming nag-iingat ng mobat at mga batingaw mula sa Malaka at Menangkabaw, mga palamuting pangmaharlika ng mga Indiyo at Islam.

Nguni't higit sa aking pagiging hari ay ipinagmamalaki ko ang sa aki'y karapat-dapat na katawagang Nakoda, sapagka't sa pag-uugit sa isang sasakyang-dagat ay wala nang dadaig pa sa akin, at ang aking ga paraw ay nakasagupa na sa mga unos na namayani sa lalong nag-aalimpuyong dagat, at ikinararangal kong masabing sa aking mga ugat ay dumadaloy ang dugo ng isang Bisaya. Tuwing dadalaw sa aking kaharian ang mga sugong Intsik at Arabe, ang pinakamahalagang palamuti nila'y ang mahabang chawat, na laging itinataas sa harapan ko ng apatnapu katao. Kapag iyo'y ibinigkis ko sa aking baywang upang humanda sa pakikitalad, ang pagkakabigkis ay maayos at ang paghahamok ay laging pinagtatagumpayan.

Mula sa Malaka hanggang Maynila ay kilalaang lahat ang pangalang Nakoda Ragam na kanilang pinanganganinuhan, sa kabila ng aking pagiging maharlika. Kaya, mga tauhan sa kailugan ng Lusung , huwag kayong magkulang sa inyong tungkulin sa aking magiging anak, ang inyong raha, at huwag ninyong kaliligtaang magbuwis ng ginto taun-taun sa Brunei bilang panahon ito na ang Pulo ng Ginto (hindi na ang Lusung- emphasis mine).

JohnComnenus
what a sweet fiction... I wish it is true. Theres no emperor "Anka Wijaya" of Majapahit, perhaps you're referring to Raden Wijaya, the empire's founder.
trismegistos
QUOTE(JohnComnenus @ Apr 15 2009, 01:50 AM) [snapback]4199707[/snapback]
what a sweet fiction... I wish it is true. Theres no emperor "Anka Wijaya" of Majapahit, perhaps you're referring to Raden Wijaya, the empire's founder.


you can blame all these people for having conspired that there was such an emperor and had misspelled the name of the emperor(which should have been the name of the founder of the majapahit empire, raden vijaya) or their original documents was erred in the first place or if these were all lies or not true for having such imaginary minds....

quote from here... http://article.melayuonline.com/?a=Rm1tL1U5bWh1MGY%3D=
According to Henson, he was the third Sulaiman to rule the Islamic Kingdom of Manila. The first was Sulaiman I, a grandson of Emperor Anka Widjaya, the last King of Majapahit and Empress Sa Saban of the Kingdom of Sapa (now Sta. Ana, Manila)[16] He married Princess Ysmeria and they had three sons � Sulaiman II, Matanda and Lakandula. After Sulaiman II died, he was succeeded by his son, Sulaiman III. After some time, Martin de Goiti, Legaspi�s master of camp, and the Spaniards arrived in Manila Bay in 1570 A.D., Raja Sulaiman III and his aging uncle were ruling the Kingdom of Manila. It is interesting to note that Raja Sulaiman III married a Brunei princess, a daughter of Sultan Abdul Kahar.[17]
It was also claimed that Sulaiman (Sulaiman bin Mahmud) was the fourteenth successor of Raja Ahmad, who reportedly established the Islamic principality of Manila in 1258 with temporal power covering Luzon and the Visayas. Moreover, Raja Ahmad was from Brunei and had vanquished Raja Avirjirkaya of Manila, who was supposed to be under the suzereinty of Madjapahit Empire.[18]
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quote from here... http://mandaluyong.gov.ph/profile/history.aspx?node=1
These industrious people trace their roots to Emperor Soledan (also known as “Anka Widyaya” of the Great Madjapahit Empire) and Empress Sasaban of the Kingdom of Sapa whose son Prince Balagtas ruled as sovereign of the kingdom in about the year 1300.
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quote from here... http://bukaneg.blog.friendster.com/2007/01...-of-the-people/
ccording to Manila historian and National Artist for Literature and Journalism Nick Joaquin, the high point of Namayan history was the marriage, sometime in the 13th century, of Namayan princess (later Empress) Sasaban to Madjapahit Empire crown prince (later Emperor) Soledan (orAnka Widyaya). They ruled Indonesia.

The imperial couple had a son, Prince Balagtas. Because he was to become King of Namayan, he married Lady Banginoan. Banginoan was the daughter of Lord Lontok and Lady Kalangitan, princess of Pasig. Her grandfather was Archduke Araw.

One of King Balagtas’ descendants was Lakan Takhan who had a bastard son named Pasay. Takhan bequeathed to his son the kingdom we now know as Pasay City.

After Takhan, Namayan was ruled by his son Palaba, who was in turn succeeded by his son Laboy. Laboy was succeeded on the throne by his son Kalamayin. It was Kalamayin’s sad fortune to be the sovereign when the palefaces arrived. When Kalamayin’s son was baptized a Christian, prince Martin, the Kingdom of Namayan was no more.

The Kings of Maynila, Tondo, Namayan and others were originally Borneans. It was therefore natural for them to embrace Islam as their religion.

As an aside, Joaquin wrote about El Kapitan Juan de Salcedo falling in love with a local Princess—the Lady Candarapa. Salcedo was Legazpi’s nephew while Candarapa was Lakan Dula’s niece. Both Legazpi and Lakan Dula frustrated the love affair. Salcedo was sent to conquer Ilocandia; Candarapa died three months after her lover sailed north. Salcedo christianized the Ilocos and the Cagayan Valley regions; Candarapa gave us the word that means “hopeslessly in love.”

Suzuka00
QUOTE(trismegistos @ Apr 15 2009, 05:20 AM) [snapback]4199779[/snapback]
you can blame all these people for having conspired that there was such an emperor and had misspelled the name of the emperor(which should have been the name of the founder of the majapahit empire, raden vijaya) or their original documents was erred in the first place or if these were all lies or not true for having such imaginary minds....

quote from here... http://article.melayuonline.com/?a=Rm1tL1U5bWh1MGY%3D=
According to Henson, he was the third Sulaiman to rule the Islamic Kingdom of Manila. The first was Sulaiman I, a grandson of Emperor Anka Widjaya, the last King of Majapahit and Empress Sa Saban of the Kingdom of Sapa (now Sta. Ana, Manila)[16] He married Princess Ysmeria and they had three sons � Sulaiman II, Matanda and Lakandula. After Sulaiman II died, he was succeeded by his son, Sulaiman III. After some time, Martin de Goiti, Legaspi�s master of camp, and the Spaniards arrived in Manila Bay in 1570 A.D., Raja Sulaiman III and his aging uncle were ruling the Kingdom of Manila. It is interesting to note that Raja Sulaiman III married a Brunei princess, a daughter of Sultan Abdul Kahar.[17]
It was also claimed that Sulaiman (Sulaiman bin Mahmud) was the fourteenth successor of Raja Ahmad, who reportedly established the Islamic principality of Manila in 1258 with temporal power covering Luzon and the Visayas. Moreover, Raja Ahmad was from Brunei and had vanquished Raja Avirjirkaya of Manila, who was supposed to be under the suzereinty of Madjapahit Empire.[18]
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quote from here... http://mandaluyong.gov.ph/profile/history.aspx?node=1
These industrious people trace their roots to Emperor Soledan (also known as €šš€š€œAnka Widyaya€šš of the Great Madjapahit Empire) and Empress Sasaban of the Kingdom of Sapa whose son Prince Balagtas ruled as sovereign of the kingdom in about the year 1300.
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quote from here... http://bukaneg.blog.friendster.com/2007/01...-of-the-people/
ccording to Manila historian and National Artist for Literature and Journalism Nick Joaquin, the high point of Namayan history was the marriage, sometime in the 13th century, of Namayan princess (later Empress) Sasaban to Madjapahit Empire crown prince (later Emperor) Soledan (orAnka Widyaya). They ruled Indonesia.

The imperial couple had a son, Prince Balagtas. Because he was to become King of Namayan, he married Lady Banginoan. Banginoan was the daughter of Lord Lontok and Lady Kalangitan, princess of Pasig. Her grandfather was Archduke Araw.

One of King Balagtas€šš€šž descendants was Lakan Takhan who had a bastard son named Pasay. Takhan bequeathed to his son the kingdom we now know as Pasay City.

After Takhan, Namayan was ruled by his son Palaba, who was in turn succeeded by his son Laboy. Laboy was succeeded on the throne by his son Kalamayin. It was Kalamayin€šš€šžs sad fortune to be the sovereign when the palefaces arrived. When Kalamayin€šš€šžs son was baptized a Christian, prince Martin, the Kingdom of Namayan was no more.

The Kings of Maynila, Tondo, Namayan and others were originally Borneans. It was therefore natural for them to embrace Islam as their religion.

As an aside, Joaquin wrote about El Kapitan Juan de Salcedo falling in love with a local Princess€šš‚šthe Lady Candarapa. Salcedo was Legazpi€šš€šžs nephew while Candarapa was Lakan Dula€šš€šžs niece. Both Legazpi and Lakan Dula frustrated the love affair. Salcedo was sent to conquer Ilocandia; Candarapa died three months after her lover sailed north. Salcedo christianized the Ilocos and the Cagayan Valley regions; Candarapa gave us the word that means €šš€š€œhopeslessly in love.€šš


kung ano ano ang pinagsasasabi..
trismegistos
QUOTE(Suzuka00 @ Apr 15 2009, 11:30 AM) [snapback]4199887[/snapback]
kung ano ano ang pinagsasasabi..

mahina pick up mo, mga quotes po yon tungkol kay angka wijaya. and the likes of nick joaquin and other researchers could not have just reinvented a majapahit emperor.
I'm just reacting the comment that angka wijaya is a fictitious character, you treacherous hypocrite!
trismegistos
if one would not trust reputable local sources about this majapahit emperor Angka Vijaya; reputable people like the likes of nick joaquin, Awang Romeo Duana Rodil, and other researchers, then perhaps foreign sources, you will find reputable like this about the history of brunei, The Pagan Tribes of Borneo by Charles Hose and William McDougall, etc.

quoted from here... http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Brunei

The Hindu kingdom of Menjapahit was destroyed by the Mahommedans in 1478, and Brunei is mentioned in the history of Java as one of the countries conquered by Adaya Mingrat, the general of Angka Wijaya. Sultan Mahommed's only child was a daughter. His brother Akhmed married the daughter of Ong Chum Ping, a Chinese officer said to have been sent by his emperor to obtain a jewel from Mount Kinabalu in North Borneo,and was the successor of Sultan Mahommed in the sovereignty of Brunei. He was succeeded by Sultan Berkat, an Arab sherif of high rank, from the country of Taif in Arabia, who had married Sultan Akhmed's only child. Sultan Berkat built a mosque and enforced Mahommedan law, and with the assistance of the Chinese built the stone wall, which is still in existence between the islands of Kaya Orang and Chermin, by sinking forty junks filled with rock across the mouth of the Brunei river. This work was completed before the arrival of Pigafetta in 1521. In the reign of Sultan Bulkeiah Magellan's squadron anchored off the mouth of Brunei river in August 1521, and Pigafetta makes mention of the splendid court and the imperial magnificence of the Borneo capital. Sultan Bulkeiah was otherwise known as Nakoda Ragam; he was the greatest warrior of Brunei and made military expeditions to Java, Malacca, Luzon and all the coasts of Borneo. His tomb, which is handsomely built of stone, is still to be seen in Brunei, and is constantly visited by Malays, who leave money and various articles on the tomb as offerings to his memory. Others, again, come and take away anything they can find, which they keep as charms and mementoes. The Spaniards captured Brunei in 1580, the reigning sultan and his court retiring to Suai in the Baram district. The invaders were compelled to evacuate the place, however, in consequence of the heavy losses they sustained in the numerous attempts made for its recovery. The golden age of Brunei was nevertheless at an end, and there is little more of importance to record.
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quoted from here... http://www.fullbooks.com/The-Pagan-Tribes-of-Borneo1.html

In the earliest years of the fourteenth century Bruni was a dependency
of Majapahit, but seems to have recovered its independence during the
minority of the Javan king. It is to this time that the tradition of
the Kapuas Malays ascribes the arrival of the Kayans in Borneo.[14]
Then Angka Wijaya extended the power of Majapahit over Palembang
in Sumatra, Timor, Ternate, Luzon, and the coasts of Borneo. Over
Banjermasin he set his natural son. In 1368 Javanese soldiers drove
from Bruni the Sulu marauders who had sacked the town. A few years
later the ungrateful king transferred his allegiance to China, and
not long afterwards, with calculating humility, paid tribute[15]
to Mansur Shah, who had succeeded to the throne of Malacca in 1374 A.D.
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expect suzuka to comment with another one of his crappy statements
Suzuka00
paki ko sa iyo.
trismegistos
QUOTE(Suzuka00 @ Apr 20 2009, 12:05 AM) [snapback]4203251[/snapback]
global warming is illuminati propaganda.


and yet you are being personal and singling me out in reportng me as a double poster. i got a suspension for one week all c/o you.
trismegistos
if one will go over the links from the brunei website as well as the The Pagan Tribes of Borneo by Charles Hose and William McDougall, one will notice their assertion that the ancestry of this bruneian royalties are bisayan in origin wth admixture of arab blood and chinese blood.

link http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Brunei
http://www.fullbooks.com/The-Pagan-Tribes-of-Borneo1.html

link to the srivijayan empire's capital in luzon http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=200263
alexandra
geez.. just read carefully these titles.. lady this ,lord that.. in the 13th century before the British got to so east Asia?? ARCHDUKE?? what??? take off from the HOUSE OF HAPSBURGS? only the Austro-HUNGARIAN Empire ever used the title-- ARCHDUKE.. nowhere else.

Indonesia adapted the Indianised kind of goverment in the 14th century.

it's easy to trace what's gpoing on in those parts going by the history of the influential kingdoms-- like India & china.
trismegistos
obviously you are downplaying the preservation work done by these british historians. of course, they could have recorded the oral historical accounts as well as existing written documents of those rulers in borneo, when the british came.

judging from our laguna copperplate inscription, we were atleast cultured in Indian influence since the 10th century.
the tundo ruler then has a rank of the Sanskrit Senapati meaning Admiral of a Naval fleet of Srivijayan empire most probably. and the copperplate inscription was written in Kavi script , which is an adaptation of the Indian Brahmi scipt.

alexandra
hmm.. doubtful british historians will make such mistakes.. with these titles/. as I was just watching this STYORY OF INDIA-- & they were pretty precise in discovering Indian history-- the Indian themselves thank them for 'finding' the key' of how to 'read' their ancient documents.


i DON'T THink the House of Hapsburgs were already in power in the 10th century for one.. this supposed history you're posting was way before the EUROPEANS esp the British got to So east Asia... TRACES CAN BE FOUND OF ROMANS IN CENTRAL ASIA.. ( as trade flourished on THE SILK ROAD) & INDIA BUT THAT'S A whole different subject.
alexandra
besides, that article you posted came from a NICK JOAQUIN.. not a Brit-- just bec I wrote earlier British historians are some of the best ?? using them with me?? THEY ARE NOT THAT CRAZY!

what's this-- ARCHDUKE ARAW??? read anything so stupid?? ARCHDUKE WITH ARAW just doesn't go,does it? & in the 13th century no less..

funny, too-- Manila was NOT really part of the Maritime trade route or an active part of it-- until the spanish.. I WAS WATCHING ON FILM THE ACTUAL ROUTE OF THIS.. IT'S MOSTLY TO DO WITH INDIA & ALONG THE BAY OF BENGAL..if anything the kingdom that was active with them was BURMA.. NOT BRunei.. & Of course, Indonesia.. the island of Java. Manila or whatever it was called then- was just too far.. the trading with china was being done inland in the Silk Road.
again, I kept saying since I started posting..

it's one thing to read Philippines was part of the Maritime route-- but it never specified when it became included.. but going by the map & the route on film.. it was not included in earlier times-- PRE-SPAIN.
silangan
Wow ang galing ng kwentong ito. Parang Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs....

....And they live happily ever after.
trismegistos
QUOTE(silangan @ Apr 25 2009, 03:16 PM) [snapback]4208511[/snapback]
Wow ang galing ng kwentong ito. Parang Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs....

....And they live happily ever after.

do you know that in fairy tales, there are kernels of truth that could be found there.
for those who are mystically inclined, will quickly grasp that the seven dwarfs is a symbolism to the seven chakras, and its proper awakening.

the myths of the ten bornean datus, the maragtas code, the madyaas confederacy are fictional oral traditions or renditions of the actual historical coming of the bornean rulers like ragam or sultan bolkeiah while maragtas is a play of words of an actual majapahitan prince named balagtas. madyaas is a play of words to the Majapahit empire.

those are actual historical accounts not just fictional, if you care to go over the links. and it is very impossible for me to create those websites so i don't make this up.

QUOTE(alexandra @ Apr 25 2009, 11:20 AM) [snapback]4208313[/snapback]
besides, that article you posted came from a NICK JOAQUIN.. not a Brit-- just bec I wrote earlier British historians are some of the best ?? using them with me?? THEY ARE NOT THAT CRAZY!

what's this-- ARCHDUKE ARAW??? read anything so stupid?? ARCHDUKE WITH ARAW just doesn't go,does it? & in the 13th century no less..

funny, too-- Manila was NOT really part of the Maritime trade route or an active part of it-- until the spanish.. I WAS WATCHING ON FILM THE ACTUAL ROUTE OF THIS.. IT'S MOSTLY TO DO WITH INDIA & ALONG THE BAY OF BENGAL..if anything the kingdom that was active with them was BURMA.. NOT BRunei.. & Of course, Indonesia.. the island of Java. Manila or whatever it was called then- was just too far.. the trading with china was being done inland in the Silk Road.
again, I kept saying since I started posting..

it's one thing to read Philippines was part of the Maritime route-- but it never specified when it became included.. but going by the map & the route on film.. it was not included in earlier times-- PRE-SPAIN.

the spice route... http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/spiceroutes.htm

Philippine isles were the main thoroughfare of the maritime spice routes from spice islands(malaku) to South China.

Archduke is an understatement, if you read the bragging of Haring Araw or Sultan Ragam of Brunei, he claimed he is the emperor throughout malaca(now Malaysia) to Manila.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/4059/ascend.htm
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coast/7446/Ragam.htm

no need for british historians when there is a legal historical document to attest the actual historical event like the Laguna copperplate inscription

http://www.mts.net/~pmorrow/lcieng.htm

http://www.mts.net/~pmorrow/lcitrans.htm

quote:
Long Live! Year of Siyaka 822, month of Waisaka, according to astronomy. The fourth day of the waning moon, Monday. On this occasion, Lady Angkatan, and her brother whose name is Buka, the children of the Honourable Namwaran, were awarded a document of complete pardon from the Commander in Chief of Tundun, represented by the Lord Minister of Pailah, Jayadewa.

By this order, through the scribe, the Honourable Namwaran has been forgiven of all and is released from his debts and arrears of 1 katî and 8 suwarna before the Honourable Lord Minister of Puliran, Ka Sumuran by the authority of the Lord Minister of Pailah.

Because of his faithful service as a subject of the Chief, the Honourable and widely renowned Lord Minister of Binwangan recognized all the living relatives of Namwaran who were claimed by the Chief of Dewata, represented by the Chief of Medang.

Yes, therefore the living descendants of the Honourable Namwaran are forgiven, indeed, of any and all debts of the Honourable Namwaran to the Chief of Dewata.

This, in any case, shall declare to whomever henceforth that on some future day should there be a man who claims that no release from the debt of the Honourable...

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the Sanskrit title given to the Tundun ruler is SENAPATI, WHICH MEANS ADMIRAL. Admiral of the naval fleet of the Buddhist Srivijayan empire.

tondo was the eastern capital of Lusung or Seludong(as it was called by the Bruneian invaders) the western capital, was the homeplace of the Mihraj of Zabag or the Maharaja of Sanfotsi or Srivijayan empire.
http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/szpintro.htm
alexandra
oh dear, not that URL again.. you already posted that one when we first discussed this .. I don't trust that one at all-- nothing supports it.

I' use different sources-- & the Phil was not included in any of them.. I said before &^ I'll say it again-- THAT'S COUNTRY'S history does not support being included in the ancient spice maritime route..

if it were?? we won't even be discussing this-- AS IT'LL BE INCLUDED IN ALL THE HISTORY BOOKS.; the original maritime route was between Arabs?india( from Kerela) Arabs used the Arabian Sea.. as they continued on to trade with Ancient rome.. & the Med. that's it-- around 30BC thereabouts.

I know what I'm talking about here.

watch STORY O INDIA & GET AN IDEA HOW IT WORKED. & I have 4 documentaries on this
trismegistos
wait and see, shambalista will produce one documentary for you to watch. he he

but seriously, if producers will take notice with the proper budget. most probably after 2012, philippines will take centerstage. and this is not a pipedream.
alexandra
QUOTE(trismegistos @ Apr 25 2009, 07:15 PM) [snapback]4208709[/snapback]
wait and see, shambalista will produce one documentary for you to watch. he he

but seriously, if producers will take notice with the proper budget. most probably after 2012, philippines will take centerstage. and this is not a pipedream.


ha.. she can bring it on-- what do I care-- I've taken a true interest on the history of the silk road & how it evolved.. as I've come ascross this in most of the history i've boned up on.. I'm thorough when i'm interested in something.. actually, if i knew i had a good mind for history still in my early teens-- I would have taken it up & be a HISTOry professor or historian.. my friends here keep aslking me- when will I teach at the college annexe.. & if they had a teacher like me-- they'd be interested.. but i like european history.. next i'll explore the ancient persians & babylonians.

cause & effect.. Phil has a long way to go.. must make it's baby steps first.
alexandra
the key to life is the doing.. the now--- not the effect.. if one does things for the right reasons & for the good-- it'll take care of itself..
Suzuka00
QUOTE(alexandra @ Apr 25 2009, 09:05 PM) [snapback]4208803[/snapback]
the key to life is the doing.. the now--- not the effect.. if one does things for the right reasons & for the good-- it'll take care of itself..

yup

it's us who act on our destiny.
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