http://jk22b.blogspot.com/2004/12/babaylanismo.html

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We need to showcase our native culture more...

if you want to learn more about filipino shamanism atleast in the modern sense, wiccan practice, etc...
you can go here... http://www.cebuparanormalsociety.com/forum/index.php

Great article Suzuka and great link tresmegistos!

Before a girl made kulam to me and I got this terrible allergy hives which I believed that it was a spell. I went to a abularyo and made me pausok and my allergy disappeared. I was a Sacristan before in a Catholic church and I realized that the smoke from the chalice that was carrying has the same smell the abularyo used on me when he made pausok. I was wondering if that particular smoke ingredient have a paranormal effects like ions which also has paranormal effects.

negative ions have a healing effect.
negative ions rich environments include beaches, forests, waterfalls etc.

incense and spices have magical effects(astral effects) apart from the physical pharmacologic antioxidant effects(physical effects)

herbs and spices are used by many wiccan/shaman practitioners as magic potions.

all i have to say is east asian shaman is the best! god favors all east asians. it was all the foriegn religions that corrupted east asia. know that

i agree!

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dude, that pausok you langhap-langhap from the mangkukulam..errr albularyo was actually marijuana.
haven't you noticed that incense during your sacristan days smells like marijuana...man, i always get high those days in church.

do they really use marijuana?

I thought it was shabu that looked like tawas.

our shamans don't normally use drugs.

well, during training days you had to. if you're still a neophyte, you need a little bit of help to attain that certain level of consciousness. once you know how, there's no more need of those mind altering substances.

i've seen lots who attained that consciousness...inside a mental institution.

(Respectfully)
Marijuana originates in places like Middle East, Central Asia, India and remotely in western China. Later it was "transported" (ha ha!) to other places around the world.

I am sure the Philippines has tons of exotic plants used by shamans. Maybe even psychedelic ones too!

Im leaning more towards Islam if i ever decide Christianity is not for me....lol

I rather go for the Multi Faith approach if anything.

no such thing as multi faith....that defeats the purpose

lets say u were Hindu who believe in many gds compared to a Jew who only believes in 1 God...how would u explain that

Hindu also believe in Brahman.
The "many gods" are just different aspects of the single god.

The chinese adhere to different beliefs without joining them.

Although they too can be interpret as being all aspects of Brahma.

my grandma's sister's second husband was a manghihilot. he's never really used any 'spiritual' rituals or anything, i think hilot (in itself) is just a form of ancient orthopedics with essences of what is similar to qi/vitalism. whenever i got sinat (slight febrile) which is typical of any children at that age, it's usually because of 'broken' flow, but he was always referring to it as if it was a sprain (i've worked in the medical field for years and I'm sure that sprains and fractures would result more in a localized pain than symptoms of respiratory/circulatory infections). but he would hold us and figure out where it was 'broke' and he would massage it and sure enough we'd get better. he'd always use coconut oil, as mcuh as my grandfather did, for anything from small cuts to hilot. he also delved in some herbology, but i'm sure i've never tried any of it.

Maybe abit of the hilot rubbed on to you? Ha ha

Well I suppose if you ever leave the army as a medic you can always get yourself into alternative medicine in the future. I heard its catching on. It might pay pretty well tool.

albularyos are very known in the philippines especially in the provinces.

there are mangkukulams or witches as well.

arbularyos are different from plain manghihilot...arbularyos do hilot, and usually delve in herbology and do at least one or two ritualistic ceremonies eg whatever the hell is that thing they do when supposedly a child step on a spirit or what not and cause them to have flu like symptoms.

as far as i know a lot of manghihilot don't do any of the other stuff, they mostly focus on massage and pseudo-orthopedics.

yes,different specializations.

Both kool though!

We need to promote them.

I know there are few books on traditional herbal medicines in The Philippines.

http://www.babaylan.com/trans.html



They should have not colonized the pinas in the first place....

i posted a URL about this babayin.. turned out it's part Sanskrit writing mixed with Javanese writing no longer in use by the 14th century called Kavi.

that site was most informative.. & natives then wrote on bamboo leaves or scripted into bamboo then doused with ash to leave it's imprint.. also unlike local fallacy-- the Spanish learned this & wanted the natives to preserve it..

finally, you have read the site about baybayin as well as the laguna copperplate inscription. i have posted that url's many times convincing you that the ancient filipinos were literate and educated contrary to popular views of flintstone style of existence.

but baybayin script is different to the kavi script which was used in the laguna copperplate inscription.

but for the ancient filipino shamanistic beliefs, for sure, spaniards wouldn't wanted the natives to preserve it?

i can point to you many historical archives that the spaniards abhorred those practices consider this an abomination and worship to the devil thing that they tried to remove any semblance of native beliefs, shamanistic practices from the general public and give them orthodox faiths and thinking.

the early spanish misionaries archived their findings alright but it ended there just archived. and what was archived were only partial descriptions(like who is bathala and nothing more of essence).

what survived passed on to the herbolarios, hilots and talisman(anting-anting) makers but most as syncretic beliefs. pure filipino shamanism from the ancients was lost except some revival among mystics like the sacred dances but through intuitive and spiritual insights and not from the archives.

I agree with you.
I would add. I believe some of the tribal peoples in the Philippines in certain regions still practice pure beliefs.

This is my first post and I'm new here so, Hi!!!

And yeah, most of this shamanism practice in the Philippines are all handed down generation-to-generation from their ancestors. But some of them also was accidentally made to be one. My father side's family were from Siquijor. I talked to a lot of the elders there which happened to be also my Lolos and Lolas, and they said those practice were handed down to them, and one of them whose the most laidback and fun to hang-out with, told me that's he's was from a good engkanto. He's also the one who cured our family friend/helper when he was kulamed by an engkanto that he accidentally striked by a bolo when cutting down bamboo trees around 6:00 P.M. in our house in Bacolod and a day after that, he can't barely move because his head was so heavy so he just stayed on his bed for a week. When my lolo arrived from siquijor, he uttered some words that we can't understand, and boom a stone as big as a quarter came out of his head like it was fruit attached to it. And the weird thing is that he asked me to take it out coz I was the noisiest in the family. He said that this would prevent it to happen again coz engkantos hates loud people and they stay away from them. I don't know if it's serious though, maybe it was just a joke...LOL

This triggers me to wonder also, why this is so common to us? I mean other races has this also but not that many. Also some of my Lolas in Mindanao and Cebu has their orasyons in old Latin, some of the Suranos/albularyos(in tagalog)' orasyons or incantations are base in latin also. Yet, you can only witness this very2x rarely or none on latin-speaking country. Some of them also just talked directly to God with their native tounge and got results. But it's really rare to see this in some other race. So this really intrigues and at the same time amazed me. Especially, last time when I had read articles about our ancient ancestors are spiritual people from a sunken continent called Lemuria that could contact freely and easily to other elements of the world and God. And it was even mentioned by Lao Tsu in his ancient book.

Hi chelemasty!
Nice that you join us! Welcoem to the board.



I have heard about that too. Some people are born gifted.
Some also become one after a terrible accident or illness that almost kills them.



I heard alot of shamans are found in Siquijor.



This is very funny. Yeah maybe it was joke.



I think maybe its a cultural thing.
The Spanish for sure wanted to wipe out the old practices. But shaman people were smart and blended it with Spanish beliefs. I think only in some of the remote tribal regions they still use orasyons in non Latin form (correct me if I am mistaken).
I beleive its possible the ancestors are from Lemuria. The South Pacific is the most volcano active region in the entire world. Its like that Krakatoa volcano that blew up and was heard all around the world. I think historians say teh entire Island pretty much disapeared (much like Lemuria). Its quite possible Lemuria did exist (I wouldnt automatically dismiss it as myth).

Welcome, kindred soul! We are indeed a special people.


Some pragmatic people have become detached to their spiritual side, that will regard anything about the Lemuria and Filipinos as descendants of Lemurians as myths and pure folly.

Many Scientists, anthropologists, experts in comparative religions and cultures, some unorthodox historians are open to the reality of a sunken continent like the Sundaland which was drowned not by a biblical flood of incessant rains but by abrupt rise of sealevels due to the melting of the glaciers and ice cap during the end of the pleistocene era, the last Ice age.
In fact a homegrown International Conference was sponsored by the University of the Philippines tackling just that and was a success with many public school teachers attending. The international conference was headed by Professor Grace P. Odal, author of the book, River Dwellers, with guest speakers such as luminaries like Stephen Oppenheimer and Wilhelm Solheim(rival of Peter Bellwood)
http://alamat.cas.upm.edu.ph/background.html

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The University of the Philippines Manila, in celebration of the UP centennial, is coming up with an international conference titled �ALAMAT : International Conference on Myths and Symbols� with the theme, �Flood Stories, Lost Lands and Drowned Continents of the World� to be held at the Bahay ng Alumni, on November 24-27, 2008.


The institutionalization of the RGEP course Humanistic Studies 20 titled �Mito at Alamat ng Pilipinas� at UP Manila in 2005, has opened a gold mine of myths and legends that can be used as sources and means for understanding and transforming the Filipino psyche. As these myths , legends and tales are systematically studied in the contexts of the findings across disciplines in the Philippines, the Southeast Asian region and the rest of the world - thematic patterns arise, leading to a discovery of patterns of similarities and differences among the myths and symbols, as well as that of recurring motifs and figures. This ultimately leads to a rediscovery of the value and significance of myths , symbols and archetypes for the new millennium.


One dominant pattern emerging from the study of myths, epics, legends and tales of the world is the proliferation of certain mythical themes with recurrent motifs such as that of pre-diluvian or ante-diluvian societies, great floods, lost edens, golden age, sunken continents, emergent islands, promised lands and changing ages of humanity. Because of the commonality of this observation, the proponent intends to compile various myths and symbols world-wide, on these given commonalities of themes and motifs, and relate them to the latest developments in other disciplines so that the power of myths and symbols (that is being recognized now) and their perceived function as historical indicators and markers, as well as symbolic sources of knowledge, can be reclaimed for contemporary use.


There is a great need to rediscover the meaning and significance of myths and symbols for the present times - in line with the transformational, liberating and empowerment projects of individuals, communities, nations and global societies. The myths when reclaimed can be powerful enough to liberate and empower people so that they could collectively direct their efforts towards the realization of a cultural renaissance in various countries, for individual, social and national transformation. Specifically, the myth indicating that the Philippines was once a part of a lost primordial motherland - popularly known as �Mu� (1) and later as �Lemuria� (2) � is still alive in some sectors today, especially in the island peoples of insular Southeast Asia and the Pacific islands, including pockets of esoteric, cultic, and folk religious groups. Whatever is the name of this great land, and whether or not this phenomenon of people�s collective memory of this vanished land is based on actual reality or not, is subject for further study. However, whatever is the case, it remains to be seen that the existence of these myths as a living reality for some people is an indication of a great potential and hidden non-material resource of countries that have never really been tapped and fully manifested for development and transformational purposes. The myths indicate that the Philippines and the rest of the Southeast Asian region, were once a part of a great and ancient cradle of civilization that vanished, and survived in many forms : as a folk memory, and carried over by oral traditions from generation to generation; as artistic, religious, linguistic and cultural forms whose full import has been lost; and as hidden knowledge and esoteric teachings of the shamanic traditions, guarded by descendants and disciples of pre-colonial priests, but marginalized and demonized by the dominant religions - usually manifesting today in cultic groups found in secluded and marginalized areas of the country, especially by those living in communities near mountains and coastal areas.


Realizing this great heritage of the Philippines and the rest of Southeast Asia, the University of the Philippines System , through the initiative of the Department of Arts and Communications of the College of Arts and Sciences, UP Manila, will host Alamat : The First International Conference on Myths and Symbols. This maiden venture by the Department , designed specifically for the new millennium, will catapult not only UP Manila, the UP System, and the Philippines , but also the rest of Southeast Asia, Asia and the Pacific - into the global community of scholars concerned with the study of this multi-disciplinary and trans-disciplinary field. For instance, in the West, there is a group of respectable scholars from different institutions holding regular conferences and activities pertaining to the sunken continent of Atlantis � traditionally held to be a later continent than Mu - to which the supposed guardians and keepers of the mysteries of Mu are said to have escaped in the course of the gradual sinking of the motherland Mu. By networking with this international body of scholars , it is hoped that the local scholars from the Philippines and other parts of Southeast Asia, Asia and the Pacific, might form into a world-wide body of scholars that will present alternative paradigms of world pre-history, as well as promote complementary forms and modes of knowledge that is appropriate and conducive to the mind-expansion demands of the New Millennium.


Moreover, this gathering of scholars all over the world with an interest in and concern for the Conference Theme might be considered symbolic of the growing need and desire to unite towards one common direction for the interests of the majority of the peoples of this whole world. This is in line with the contemporary significance and value of the Conference Theme � that of global warming. In the past, the experience of great flooding caused by the melting of the ice caps, and that of catastrophes such as earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, storms and typhoons had been objectified in the form of the myths , legends and symbols. Now these myths and symbols speak to us of the same dangers. Already, the contemporary experiences of people all over the world who have suffered from these catastrophes, and have voiced their thoughts and feelings in narrative forms are now all turning slowly into �myth in the making.� Shall humankind learn from the mistakes and failures of the past? Will contemporary humans be humble enough to allow myths and symbols and natural catastrophes to �speak� to us as before, and allow them to guide us towards a much fruitful New Millennium?


Whether the names �Mu� , �Lemuria� or its academic equivalent �Sundaland� may be viewed as a mythical symbol alone or as indicators of historical, geological, environmental, astronomical occurrences in the region or some genetic mutations among the peoples of the region, and whether there are sufficient and new pieces of evidence to support and update this view of Southeast Asia as the site of the ancient cradle of civilization � will be the subject for much consideration and debate in the conference. Where else could this properly be done than in the contemporary altar of the symbolic sacrifice of the self for the sake of knowledge, and for the highest aspirations in life - none other than the Oblation of the University of the Philippines.
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more from this link... http://alamat.cas.upm.edu.ph/background.html


Here is Professor Odal's paper on Mutya ... http://sambali.blogspot.com/2007/08/grace-...a-on-mutya.html

No more posts? I liked your post.

I can't seem to open AF this past few days that's why I didn't reply right away. Anyhow, yeah I did say that some of them still used their native tongue for their orasyons or incantations and what not. And the reason that you could mostly hear this stuff from Siquijor is that, Siquijor is just a small island, and with that it is easy to spread the art of shamanism. In addition to that, is that Siquijor has not been modernized yet so the culture is not yet been completely disturbed. In the remote areas of Mindanao, you can find them there also. The one that interested me are the Subanos tribe, which my dad and lola told me, that some of them could kill you without touching you. They will basically just cast an invisible poison that would go inside your body and you die. The craziest part of that is they will need to kill coz they will feel weaker if they can't. That's why some of them, even if it's their relative, they kill them.