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Suzuka00
QUOTE (taybenco @ Jun 6 2009, 09:02 AM) *
Yeah, but it must be kept somewhere physically. Under the current system they keep it in the New York FED



LOL

Freemasons will never release their gold....

Islam is one of freemason's enemies...

We should support the Anti-NWO,Anti-Freemason factions of World War III

The Freemasons the ones responsible for the rape of Korea,Luzon and Vietnam
azaz
I got this site from Creative Image: Prince Julian Mordem Tallano, Atty. Homobono Adaza, etc...

http://creativeimage.ph/foundation/mediaprod_kap.htm
CORNELIO
MABUHAY PO KAYO! PAGPALAIN PO TAYO NG DIYOS!
Sandaro
It's common knowledge there is Gold in philippines.
azaz
Below is the reaction of Todd Alphine and, allegedly, from Sultan Fuad Kiram, on the Creative Image site of Prince Julian Mordem Tallano. The appearance of the legitimate Prince Julian Tallano seems to be important in the solution of this Philippine gold. So, if the Prince in the Creative Image is not the "one", I hope the real Prince appear soon and is welcomed to post in this forum:

9 Jun 2009 @ 11:27 by SULTAN FUAD A KIRAM @121.96.108.104 : THE REAL SULTAN OF SULU
thanks for the creative Images Foundation site dealing with the alleged heir of the tallano Clan. So far no concrete link can provide by this group who are claiming that they own all the philippines Island and the gold under the trusteeship of Jose Antonio Diaz. This Julian Tallano is a self created prince of Fersinand Marcos to malign the thingking of every Filipino where Ferdinand Marcos hide those GOLD that he siphones from the the account of SGSR. This man called general Menghe of the NBI a former fingerprint officer, ( i guess) assumed the names of Prince Tallano upon learnign that a good money can be found from that dealings. But if you will check all the lineage from their so called Ancestry of the kingdom from the south, their old old grnadfather came out to be the Old great great Grnadfather of Sultan Fuad A Kiram of SULU. then thier self created greatGrandprinces Aminah Kiran never existed in any book and in any cronicles of the Sulu Sultanate. Then what is the right of this General Menghe to claim the right that they own the kingdom of the late Sultan Jamalul Ahlam when thise 1700 Sultan is the forefather of the brunie Sultan hasannal Bolkiah and the fore father of Sultan Fuad Kiram, and that is writen from the old old book of the Sultante in Brunie Historical Library. So to the supporter of this Prince tallano, who are also connected with the Prince Tallano of EJ Ekkers and prince tallano of the other group, maybe there are 5 tallanos existing all prince with the same name and with different mafia like syndicate that were asking money ....

9 Jun 2009 @ 21:09 by Ref: President Obama and Philippines @220.57.164.61 : Sultan Fuad Kiram and Jose A. Diaz
Yes, the above poster is correct, as there seems to be a fake, an imposter who claims to be the real Prince Julian Tallano. It was said before, that some guy was filing so many lawsuits in the Philippines to be claiming to own so much land, that the University of the Philippines made special legal requests to the courts, to find out who the hell was this guy and his team of Attorney, who were filing the lawsuits to claim ownership of so much land/ property that was used by the University.? So it was said, that the N.B.I. did make their investigation and discovered that the guy was an imposter and was a scammer and NOT a real Prince at all. Now, if that imposter who was the same guy that the S.E.C. approved as being Prince Julian M. Tallano who was one of five men, that were all Filipinos that were used, to establish the so-called Foundation that was to claims to be representing the Estate, of the Tagean and Tallano clans, then that would seem to involve Mr. E.J. Ekker into that pile of $hit. Since it was Mr. Ekker and his Group that first established the same idential named Foundation back in the State of Nevada, then they came to the Philippines, got this so-called man named Prince Julian N. Tallano and then claimed ownership of the Philippines and also tried claim the 617,500 MT of gold, that was placed into the trusteeship of Rev. Fr. Jose A. Diaz for the Royal families. Now was Mr. Ekker aware that this man, this false Prince Julian M. Tallano was a fake or not or was Mr. Ekker also a victim of the scam and the fraud that also deceived the S.E.C. into having accepted that man, that person that the S.E.C. allowed to be registered as Prince Julian M. Tallano, the alleged Heir of thh Tagean and Tallano clan.? Was Mr. Ekker all part of this conspiracy or was Mr. Ekker also deceived by the lies of the Filipinos and that Mr. E.J. Ekker who had paid for all of the expenses for the legal registration was not part of that deception? Now, If Mr. Ekker was not part of the deception, then why did he not terminate and cancel the S.E.C. Registration? I mean why did he just sit with his finger up his @$$, as He knew that the man called ENGINEER Marcos, was not really a Engineer, yet Mr. Ekker had appoint this man to be President of this so-called Foundation, that was to be representing the Tallano and Tangle Clain. I mean Mr. Ekker must have know that two of those three alleged so-called Filipino Attorney-At_-Law were fakes, and that only one of those persons was a real legal Attorney-At-Law. So out of five persons, four of them turned out to be fakes, yet Mr. E.J. Ekker, President of the Global Alliance Investment Association that is registered at the State of Nevada, paid for all of the legal expenses to fool the S.E.C. into having approved that alleged Foundation, for the purpose to claim ownership control over the 617,500MT of gold plus almost all of the ownership of the over 7,000 Island that make up what is known as the PHILIPPINES. So if MR. Ekker was not part of the conspiracy, then why is it, that He continues to claim he is involved with the Royal Family claims the gold and the land in the Philippines, as all He did, was change the name of that first weird foundation, to rename it to some other new name and Mr. Ekker is still thinking He can claim ownership of the Land and the gold. This is why I myself think that it is better for the Philippines to beg President Obama to allow the Philippines to become part of the United States, then that elimates out the fake claims of the Prince Julian M. TAllano and this American Yankee, called Mr. E.J. Ekker. I also would encourage that the Filipino people also be given their rightful legacy of the goldbullion, that had been approved and even legalized and signed by the current Sultan Fuad Kiram, after He had obtain the required Power of Attorney issued to Sultan Fuad Kiram by the Administrator for Mr. Jose A. Diaz who is the woman who was the national treasuer of the DNP Enterprise which was 100% owned by Mr. J.A. Diaz aka Rev. Fr. Jose A. Diaz.
orient
There's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. embarassedlaugh.gif

The Philippines is the wealthiest nation on Earth ... blah... blah... blah... XD rotflmao.gif

Sorry, can't help it. embarassedlaugh.gif
trismegistos
QUOTE (orient @ Jun 10 2009, 10:38 PM) *
There's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. embarassedlaugh.gif

The Philippines is the wealthiest nation on Earth ... blah... blah... blah... XD rotflmao.gif

Sorry, can't help it. embarassedlaugh.gif

You don't believe it. ha ha

Anyways, so much is focused on the material gold and not in cultivating a golden heart. So much focused on the temporal, maya and the gross and not on the sublime and immortal.

Many are putting into heart, the saying: he who has the gold makes the rules or he who controls the spices, rules the world.

But in the end, the golden hearted and the meek shall inherit the earth.
trismegistos
@azaz:
there was a real Lakan Tagkan or Lacantagean in history which knight arcane seems to ignore.
lakantagean was a grandson of Prince Balagtas of the Majapahit who founded Namayan(which includes Santa Ana, Mandaluyong,etc.)
But there are many inconsistencies in the Tallano's story and many improbabilities.
No individual should dare that they owned the whole Philippine islands.
azaz
Latest from Ming the Mechanic postings. Thanks for Orient's and Trismegistos' comments: Two spectrums of wisdom

Portions of Todd Alphine:



.but Mr. Ekker needed more than that, so He registered more and more paper companies at State of Nevada, to gain control of the land in the PHilippines, that has over 7,000 Island, so He paid someone named Cenon Marcos, to help MR. Ekker write up the old history of the original LAND TITLE that was a excellent promotion for that LAND TITLE CLAIM and Mr. Ekker found himself some person who called himself a Prince, as like in Prince Julian M. Tallano and Gee, they got some Judges to accept into the court records the prior MISSING RECORDS that were lost in the unexplained fire that destroyed all of the prior court records, and Gee, the Judge confirmed that almost all of the Philippines does belong to the Prince Julian M. Tallano. Mr. Ekker was so God damn happy, as He was a business partener with this alleged Prince Julian M. Tallano, who also claimed to be the Heir of the Tagean and Tallano Estate, which tried to embezzle the claim of ownership of the 617,500MT of gold that was leased to the Government of the Philippines. And then some of that gold or actually hell of a lot of that gold DISAPPEARED and Mr. EJ Ekker knows where the hell the gold ended up at, so this is why He claims He has a right to the gold, as He claimed that as the Chairman, as 40% shareholder of the S.E.C. approved corporation that Mr. Ekker paid to have registered, well Mr. Ekker demands that He be given his fair compensation as 80,000MT of gold. Now Mr. Ekker like I said is a smart but older horse, and the older horses tends to $hit more than the younger horses. So Mr. Ekker is waiting and waiting for someone somewhere to say, OK...EJ Ekker...we will compromise with you, and you return back to America and we will give you a portion of the gold that was removed out of the vaults of the Philippines but you have to not tell anyone, even your friend the Star Ship Fleet Commander or even Jesus who is said to be on board that Star Ship that is to come to EARTH prior to the big event in year 2012, when the $hit/commet/ is to hit MOTHER EARTH. Now Mr. Ekker is OK with all of this, except if the US Treasury and the FEDS want to see the actual original PERU BOND, then all Mr. Ekker has is a good looking color copy reproduction, but that will not pass inspection, so He is perhaps afraid to fly home to the USA as maybe they will take this old horse and lock him up in the vault where the gold is stored. Now I think that if anyone should be paid, it should be the Lady, the woman who was married to Russell or who holds the ACE CARDS.. I mean if she is holding on to the old PERU BOND, I hope it is secured under her girdle and that she should be welcomed to the WHITE HOUSE by President Obama and she could save all Americans from being flushed down the toilet bowl, if she has the original bearer bond. However, on the other hand, the gold actually belongs to the Sulu Sultanate and not to an imposter named prince Julian M. Tallano, who was the business partener of Mr. E.J. Ekker. Still I like Mr. Ekker in many ways, never met the OLD STUD HORSE and I think He was a fool not to have accepted the deal SAMCO offered to GAIA, that I think was for either 18,000MT or 8,000MT. Whatever it was, Mr. Ekker was too greedy and He never accepted anything, as he wanted it all

Portions of Knight Arcane:

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CORNELIO
QUOTE (orient @ Jun 10 2009, 11:38 PM) *
There's a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. embarassedlaugh.gif

The Philippines is the wealthiest nation on Earth ... blah... blah... blah... XD rotflmao.gif

Sorry, can't help it. embarassedlaugh.gif


HAHAHAHA SAYO LANG! bawling.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
orient
QUOTE (CORNELIO @ Jun 12 2009, 09:29 PM) *
HAHAHAHA SAYO LANG! bawling.gif embarassedlaugh.gif


tongue.gif RETARD XD rotflmao.gif
azaz
Welcome new readers.
Thanks Orient and Cornelio for the Entertainment
orient
QUOTE (azaz @ Jun 16 2009, 05:50 AM) *
Welcome new readers.
Thanks Orient and Cornelio for the Entertainment


You provide good entertainment as well naughty.gif
taybenco
azaz keep us updated laugh.gif
azaz
QUOTE (trismegistos @ Jun 11 2009, 08:04 PM) *
@azaz:
there was a real Lakan Tagkan or Lacantagean in history which knight arcane seems to ignore.
lakantagean was a grandson of Prince Balagtas of the Majapahit who founded Namayan(which includes Santa Ana, Mandaluyong,etc.)
But there are many inconsistencies in the Tallano's story and many improbabilities.
No individual should dare that they owned the whole Philippine islands.

Thanks Taybenco. Am glad you saw the effort. Really appreciate.

Trismegistos, this is good stuff, but do we have historical proof, book? I think what is happening is a tug-o-war between the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu and the Tallano Royalty, in the middle is trampled Philippine soil and honor that created a predominantly apathetic species among the Filipinos, with foreign banks as spectators. Do you now Father Pascualito Monsanto? He wrote a book about the Tagean Tallano Royalty.
Suzuka00
QUOTE (azaz @ Jun 16 2009, 09:48 PM) *
Thanks Taybenco. Am glad you saw the effort. Really appreciate.

Trismegistos, this is good stuff, but do we have historical proof, book? I think what is happening is a tug-o-war between the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu and the Tallano Royalty, in the middle is trampled Philippine soil and honor that created a predominantly apathetic species among the Filipinos, with foreign banks as spectators. Do you now Father Pascualito Monsanto? He wrote a book about the Tagean Tallano Royalty.

Before the spanish came the philippines was divided into several states/kingdoms and one in Luzon,Tawalisi and Ma-Yi are just mere "barangays" or Satrapies that were part of the Kingdom of Luzon,the truth is that the Luzon's royalty both intermarried with the chinese and majapahit because Luzon was both a vassal to Majapahit and China,but japan were important trading partners and masters because the japanese like Luzon Tsubo,the major product of luzon.
azaz
QUOTE (Suzuka00 @ Jun 17 2009, 10:46 AM) *
Before the spanish came the philippines was divided into several states/kingdoms and one in Luzon,Tawalisi and Ma-Yi are just mere "barangays" or Satrapies that were part of the Kingdom of Luzon,the truth is that the Luzon's royalty both intermarried with the chinese and majapahit because Luzon was both a vassal to Majapahit and China,but japan were important trading partners and masters because the japanese like Luzon Tsubo,the major product of luzon.

Thanks for the info Suzuka00, can you comment on the recent letter below to Mr. Todd Alphine posted at Ming's. The writer is US-based and afraid to reveal him/herself:

this is from a certain Wyne :::


we all understand that Prince Julian Macleod Tagean-Tallano was said to be married to Princess Aminah Kiram of the Sultanate of Sulu and that He died in 1898. But you should also know Todd, that He had a son by the name of Don Esteban Benitez Tallano who was reported to have became deceased in the Vatican in Rome in 1939 and that HE also had a son. That son name was Don Benito Acuna Tallano and it was reported here in the Philippines that He died during the Japanese occupation of the Maharlika and that He was said to have a son, by the name of Prince Julian Morden Tallano. Most Muslims and the government knows that the man that Mr.. E.J. Ekker was claiming to be the real heir as this son, was nothing more than a fake Prince, an imposter. . We know that the gold belongs to the control of the Kiram royal family at Sultanate Sulu.. We also know that unknown persons destroyed the actual court records using unexplained fire to burn down the storage of most oft eh official records. We also know that there is a conspiracy being done to make it seem that the Tagean-Tallano clan was the owner of that gold you mention, but we all know the true history of the Tallano and Tagean people, and we know that it was not their gold at all that was leased to help establish the central bank of the Philippines. You are mistaken Todd Alphine about the imposed estate duty taxes, as the gold itself was not owned by any one Royal family but was the wealth of many different royals and other families and they entrusted the gold to the Grad father of this present Sultan Fuad Kiram. If you would do more detailed research, then you would realize that the Philippines did not include Sultanate Sulu as part of the Philippines until the time that a agreement was made. The agreement was that the Philippine government would return back the Sabah and restore the missing wealth of the Kiram royal family of Sulu Sultanate and since the government was unable to accomplish that, then how can you impose estate duty taxes on a estate of the Muslim families for that past time period, when the country was not called the Philippines but was known as Maharlika? regards wyne icon_smile.gif


Suzuka00
QUOTE (azaz @ Jun 18 2009, 01:43 AM) *
Thanks for the info Suzuka00, can you comment on the recent letter below to Mr. Todd Alphine posted at Ming's. The writer is US-based and afraid to reveal him/herself:

this is from a certain Wyne :::


we all understand that Prince Julian Macleod Tagean-Tallano was said to be married to Princess Aminah Kiram of the Sultanate of Sulu and that He died in 1898. But you should also know Todd, that He had a son by the name of Don Esteban Benitez Tallano who was reported to have became deceased in the Vatican in Rome in 1939 and that HE also had a son. That son name was Don Benito Acuna Tallano and it was reported here in the Philippines that He died during the Japanese occupation of the Maharlika and that He was said to have a son, by the name of Prince Julian Morden Tallano. Most Muslims and the government knows that the man that Mr.. E.J. Ekker was claiming to be the real heir as this son, was nothing more than a fake Prince, an imposter. . We know that the gold belongs to the control of the Kiram royal family at Sultanate Sulu.. We also know that unknown persons destroyed the actual court records using unexplained fire to burn down the storage of most oft eh official records. We also know that there is a conspiracy being done to make it seem that the Tagean-Tallano clan was the owner of that gold you mention, but we all know the true history of the Tallano and Tagean people, and we know that it was not their gold at all that was leased to help establish the central bank of the Philippines. You are mistaken Todd Alphine about the imposed estate duty taxes, as the gold itself was not owned by any one Royal family but was the wealth of many different royals and other families and they entrusted the gold to the Grad father of this present Sultan Fuad Kiram. If you would do more detailed research, then you would realize that the Philippines did not include Sultanate Sulu as part of the Philippines until the time that a agreement was made. The agreement was that the Philippine government would return back the Sabah and restore the missing wealth of the Kiram royal family of Sulu Sultanate and since the government was unable to accomplish that, then how can you impose estate duty taxes on a estate of the Muslim families for that past time period, when the country was not called the Philippines but was known as Maharlika? regards wyne icon_smile.gif

Perhaps he is a descendant of one of the royalties of the kingdoms that is in the philippines before the spanish came.
asyano
QUOTE (Sandaro @ Jun 10 2009, 11:48 PM) *
It's common knowledge there is Gold in philippines.

according to the DENR:

the Philippines is the 5th most mineral resource-rich country in the world, 3rd in gold, 4th in copper, 5th in nickel, 6th in chromite. RP has about 20% of the world's total nickel resources, it is considered "the oil of the Philippines". there are 9 million hectares or 30% of total land area of potential sites having metallic mineral deposits, 5 million hectares of potential sites for non-metallic reserves. the mineral resources are valued at almost $1 trillion.
trismegistos
QUOTE (azaz @ Jun 16 2009, 08:48 PM) *
Trismegistos, this is good stuff, but do we have historical proof, book? I think what is happening is a tug-o-war between the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu and the Tallano Royalty, in the middle is trampled Philippine soil and honor that created a predominantly apathetic species among the Filipinos, with foreign banks as spectators. Do you now Father Pascualito Monsanto? He wrote a book about the Tagean Tallano Royalty.


The Tagean Tallano Story is simply Fantabulous. But there is some truth with the disinfo and twisted to confuse. One thing for sure, Philippines is indeed a very wealthy country pretending to be poor as the former first lady said.
In their story, there is no mention of Prince Balagtas of Majapahit but spoke of the Maragtas legend. No mention also of Sultan Nakhoda Ragam aka Haring Araw accdg to Nick Joaquin. And almost all the royalties from Luzon to Sulu were siblings in their story. The story was probably concocted by a triple agent named Ekker or by the Marcoses. The founder of Namayan was a grandson of Prince Balagtas named Lakantagkan. In their story Lacantagean was the father of Soliman and grandson of Lakandula. There must be some truth but became twisted. Many inconsistencies. Will further do research on this matter.

Here are some clippings. And you can judge for yourself...

BRIEF HISTORY OF THE TALA ( TALLANO ) ESTATE

The Island in the advent of Spaniard, prominently known as Maharlika, its Lands ( under Spaniard renamed to HACHIENDA FILIPINA ) embracing the Islands of Luzon, Island of Palawan, Island of Visayas, and Island of Mindanao consisting of around 7, 169 miles, or 359880,045,966 hectares, more or less, of ocean, seas, rivers, lake, Islands and islets, mountains, forest, plain valleys, lands and volcanoes, seating on the Western rim of Pacific Ocean, North of the equator and about 700 kilometers from the Mainland it disperse over distance of 1,965 kilometers from North to South, bounded on the East by the Pacific Ocean, from West to East traversing from the center point of the mainland at a distance of 89,282,455 kilometers and likewise vice verse traversing from East to West at a distance of 89,282,455 kilometeres from the center point of the mainland on West by South China Sea, on the North by the Bashi Channel and on the South by Celebes Sea and the Southern Borneo and formerly it covers the sea of Hawaii and Guam then under the leadership of a King David, who substantially own a precious treasures estimated to $ 500 Trillion U.S. Dollar, a nearest kin of King Marikudo, had a most systematic progressive government Kingdom in Asia and among the Kingdoms of the world administered then by King Luisong ( Tagean ) Tallano, the father of Raja LapuLapu and Raja Soliman, the successors of King Marikudo of Tri Visayas Empire.

RAJAH PRINCE JULIAN TALLANO
Chairman
RAJAH SULAYMAN Royal Family 9AD.
British Time Period
Sultan Borneo
E-mail: the_royal_family9ad@yahoo.com


Here is a spoof...

The following are some details about the King Luisong Clan:

Rajah Lapulapu - the older brother of Rajah Soliman; he led in Cebu and took the area of Mactan Island.

Cousins of Rajah Soliman and Rajah Lapulapu:
Sultan Kiram Sinsuat
Sultan Hadji Kiram Misuari
Sulu Sulatan Muhammad Badar Un-din

The grandsons of King Luisong :
Rajah Sikatuna - ruler of Bohol.
Rajah Gat Mauban - the trhird eldest grandson, took eastern part of Quezon, Sampaloc & Lucban.
Rajah Enginda - covered the area of Bohol.
Rajah Kolambo - ruler of Limasawa.
Rajah Lacandula - took over Tondo.
Rajah Humabon - the eight grandson, ruler of Limasawa.

MAHARLIKA. Long before the Spaniards came to Philippines shores, the Philippine archipelago consisting of 7,169 islands with an area of 1,049,212,962 nautical square miles, including Guam and Hawaii was known as Maharlika. It was populated by Malays and ruled by the Tagean Tallano clans from the ninth to the fifteenth century. When the Spaniards started ruling the Philippines archipelago, they renamed it Hacienda Filipina.Of the many kingdoms in Asia, Maharlika was one of them under King Luisong Tagean Tallano, the father of Raja Lapu-Lapu and Raja Soliman, the successors of King Marikudo of the Sri Vishayan Empire. Its principal products at that time were peanuts (mani) exported to Mexico and European countries and Herbal plants known as "Nilad" with some medicinal qualities which were exported to Mainland China. With the passage of time, the Chinese traders changed the name Maharlika to Maynilad or Maynila.

As in olden days, the kings and their families own their kingdoms and distribute portions to their subjects, especially to the members of the royal clans. This is exactly what happened to the Philippine archipelago, it was owned by the Tagean Tallano clans.

THE SPANIARDS. When the Spaniards came, full control of the islands remained with the descendants of King Luisong, specifically Raja Lapu-Lapu and his successors for Visayas and Mindanao and Raja Soliman and his successors for Luzon. Like conquerors of all kinds, the Spaniards started grabbing lands and distributed them to favored members of the conquering group, thereafter named Haciendas. Because of the land grabbing activities of the Spanish conquistadores, the descendants of King Luisong brought these questionable activities of the conquering armies of Spain to the attention of the Spanish Queen leading to the setting aside of many royal land grants and the issuance of titulo possessorio to become titulo de compra embracing the whole Philippine archipelago in favor of the Tallano clans.

THE BRITISH. In 1762, the British Royal Armies came to Manila with the purpose of defeating the abusive Spanish armies. Finally, in 1764 the British won over the Spaniards. The British Royal Government then issued a Royal Decree, Protocol 01-4 based on the Laws of the West Indies, amending the property rights of King Philip of Spain over the Philippines and granting ownership of the Philippine archipelago to the Tagean Tallano clans. After the signing of the peace accord between the royal governments of Spain and Britain, the Queen of Spain recognized the property rights over the Philippine archipelago based on the Maura Law.

THE TREATY OF PARIS. With the defeat of the Spanish Armada to the forces of the United States of America in the Battle of Manila Bay, Spain and America concluded the end of the War by signing the Treaty of Paris where the Philippines was sold for $20 Million U.S. Dollars. The winning bidder who paid the said amount in U.S. gold coins was DON ESTEBAN BENITEZ TALLANO, the predecessor in interest of PRINCE JULIAN MORDEN TALLANO. By virtue of the said payment, the Oficina de Cabildo recognized and affirmed Royal Decree 01-4 Protocol and registered as TITULO DE COMPRA in favor of PRINCE LACAN ACUNA ULRIJAL BOLKIAH (TAGEAN) TALLANO.

from here... http://www.creativeimage.ph/foundation/_pd...A)%20Estate.pdf

from this site... http://www.joemartaganna.com/2009/01/12/th...r-royal-family/

“Before the conquest of the Philippines by the tyrant Spaniards, who converted this formerly Muslim country to Christianity, there already existed a civilization which had an Oriental texture. ”



“The reign of the royal family of the Philippines had started as early in the 13th century, about 200 years yet before the Spanish came to our shores. The noble family was headed then by the late King Luisong Tagean married to Lamayan Bowan.”



“A further evidence that the archipelago was the property of the Royal Family was written in Sung and Ming dynasty between the year l368 to l644 AD by the Chinese Emperor Yung Lo. As a symbol for the respect and due recognition of the Chinese Empire to the nobility of the King over his land ownership and rulership of the archipelago, the Chinese Emperor gave him a gift of silk cloth and several tons of precious metals like gold and jewels as a token of tribute to the Noble King whose name, King Luisong Tagean, was adapted in the naming of the largest island in his honor, the island of Luzon. Foreign traders regarded him as the sole ruler over the Archipelago; his ownership remained as an historic landmark; he never gained any resistance or opposition of any kind from various tribes of the inhabitants, meaning they directly admitted that the vast land of the archipelago was owned by the Tagean-Tallano Royal Clan, who discovered, rebuilt, glorified and fortified it for thousands of years. The inhabitants of the islands of Visayas and Mindanao acknowledged his rule by paying their share of their harvest from the lands they were tilling for and in behalf of the Royal Family.”

Since we read about Sri Vijaya and Madjapahit empires covering much of the present day Malaysia and Indonesia before the arrival of Europeans in Southeast Asia, the claim that there was also a reigning royal family in the Philippine archipelago around those times is not far fetched. It’s just interesting that this supposedly wealthy royal family did not leave any archeological traces (like buildings, temples or tombs), quite unlike the other two empires I mentioned. However, it’s possible that we are yet to find evidences for such claims, once this is seriously investigated.

The family of King Luisong Tagean controlled many parts of the archipelago. Continuing with their story…:

“According to the Philippine Historical Commission; the entire Greater Manila area was under the territories of Namayan then some five (5) centuries ago which was divided into seven (7) districts which included said Greater Manila areas including the former Karilaya Island (now Quezon province), which include the whole region of Kawit (now Cavite) and that lake region; the province of Laguna including portions of Batangas (Bumbon province before).”

“The origin of their inhabitants from mentioned places came from the noble family names Lacan-Tagean centuries ago and by his wife Lamayan Bowan. The noble tribes were the owners of said territories and they controlled the areas and inhabited it themselves for more than five (5) centuries ago and it was passed by more than ten (10) generations of their clans. Some of these were their children and grand children, like the names of Rajah Lacan-Tagean, the 11th son of Rajah Soliman who is married to Mary Anne Dent, the beautiful daughter of Alfred Dent, a British Lord. Rajah Soliman is the second son of the King who controlled the entire area of Manila and its suburbs including the provinces of Rizal, Bulacan, Cavite, Batangas, Laguna and Quezon.”

“Another grandson is Rajah Lakandula who took over Tondo during the untimely demise of Rajah Soliman. The 3rd eldest grandson is Rajah Gat Mauban who is married to the daughter of Bornean Sultan Abdul Kahar, the Sultan of Brunei. Rajah Soliman had a son named Prince Lacan Tagean that was adopted from his grandmother Margarett Acuña Macleod Tagean. The Prince was married to Princess Rowena Ma. Elizabeth Overbeck of Austria and in the same manner has a begotten son who is the Prince Julian Macleod Tallano who is married to Princess Aminah Kiram and their descendant Rajah Magat Salamat took over the area of Cagayan Valley, while Rajah Baginda, another grandson had covered the area of Bohol, and Rajah Lapulapu, the eldest son of the King took over the Island of Mactan, while Rajah Kolambo, the 8th grandson is the ruler of the Island of Cebu. Rajah Gat Mauban took the eastern part of the Province of Quezon including Mauban, Sampaloc and Lukban to protect the interest of his grandson Vicente Lukban.”

At this point, I feel that we are really missing a lot of pieces that this story seems to supply. From the version of history taught in schools, Lapulapu, Rajah Soliman, and Rajah Baginda are presented as chieftains of local tribes. There was not much hint from any of our history books that these leaders are actually blood relatives and are governing the people in the name of their father/grandfather, King Luisong Tagean.

“For reference, Manila started some thousand years ago, born out from the very womb of Rio de Tagean (now Pasig) river. The seat of the most powerful Datu, the King Luisong Tagean, which was inherited by his son Rajah Soliman and later by his grandson Lacan Tagean and his Royal Family, was not in Manila but in Lamayan District, now the Malacanang Palace. The evolution of Tagean Clan into Tallano Clan served as catalyst in their claims and interest in land against the Spanish government until such time when foreign intervention, like the British Royal Government started in l76l, had successfully invaded and liberated the Filipino people from the Spanish colonization in October l4, l764. The American government took its role and settled the inhabitants’ perennial land problems by cessation treaty at the acquisition cost of U.S. Dollar 20 million. Such amount had been provided by Tallano Tagean Clan through the King’s son, Lacan-Tagean Tallano. [Emphasis mine.] One condition in the said accord, the British and the Spanish governments, and the US government as well, and any foreign dominion, should respect the inhabitants’ private ownership and interest in land. As a result of this treaty, another treaty, the Treaty of Paris, came into being, also containing the precondition that private rights and interest in lands in the Philippines would be respected [emphasis mine].”

That the 2o million US dollars was actually paid by the Tagean-Tallano clan is something that has eluded the attention of historians. I can’t find any reference to this in the documents of the 1898 Treaty of Paris. Maybe this was supposed to be kept a secret by the royal family and the US government.

Also, this part got me really confused. The cessation treaty where an amount of 20 million US dollars was said to be paid by US to Spain, is no other than the 1898 Treaty of Paris – this is a well-known and well-docmented historical event. One sentence after, the author claims that another treaty was initiated as a result of the earlier treaty and that the latter is called the Treaty of Paris. Were there two treaties in Paris? …. After a little Googling I found that there are at least three noted historical treaties in Paris – one in 1763, another in1783 and in 1898. However, the author claims that there was another treaty in Paris that was established after 1898; but the succeeding paragraph was even more bewildering, and I quote:

“The Treaty of Paris was signed April 4, l894 [emphasis mine]. Upon signing it, the Spanish Royal Crown through its Queen sent Hermogenes and Miguel Rodriguez to the Philippines to assist the recovery of the Hacienda Quebega together with Hacienda Filipina by the Tagean Tallanos. Instead, they connived to carve out some of the best land for themselves. The Queen commanded them to cease and desist and reconvey from their landholdings the whole Hacienda Filipina, the archipelago with title OCT 0l-4 in the name of Prince Lacan Acuña Tagean-Tallano or to his son Prince Julian Macleod Tallano, the grandson of Alfred Dent, a British Lord and London merchant and part owner of Royal British North Borneo Company.”

If this is not a typographical error, then this a serious case of anachronism, unless the author has a different chronology of the historical events of the world (i.e. to put the Treaty of Paris of 1898 at a year or years earlier than 1894). I invite the author, if he ever lands on this page, to correct this discrepancy or to correct my understanding about these events.

Actually, this is a just part of a long and complex history of our country’s royal family. Our courts are witnesses of this story and it is said that the story of the royal family or the Tagean-Tallano clan can be recounted from court documents. And there are even more interesting aspects of the story that I will write about in my next posts .

The Tagean-Tallano clan claims ownership of the whole Philippine archipelago and boasts that this ownership was recognized by the Spanish, British, and American colonizers. The descendants of the royal family is in a possession of 720,000 metric tons of gold…a portion of which (about 400,000 metric tons) was deposited in the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas, which rests there until now. This is for me, the most interesting part of the story.

I understand that the whole story of the royal family, their claim of ownership of the whole archipelago, and their bullions of gold is very extensive that I can only scratch its surface in this blog article. I invite you to read more if you are interested to investigate this matter yourself. The best place to start is the website of the Tallano Foundation... http://www.tallanofdn.com/

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taybenco
much obliged, trismegistos. I regret to say i cannot contribute at the moment with an oracle myself as in the past biggrin.gif

if you have time to play around, PyChing, but it's pretty difficult to get running on Windows.

I Ging

the site is very, very informative and educational -but it has "tinfoil" as the american says, written all over it biggrin.gif beerchug.gif

azaz
Thank you very much Trismegistos. Also to Suzuka, Asyano, Taybenco, and other readers. There are many Filipinos, known personalities and ordinary people, who want to speak about this Philippine wealth but remain hidden in the dark. Afraid of being ridiculed, harassed, etc. The result is Filipinos become ignorant of the truth while other people benefit of what supposed to be for the Filipinos. We are not yet free if our minds are still in bondage and refused to release or seek the truth. God bless us!
trismegistos
QUOTE (taybenco @ Jun 19 2009, 07:04 AM) *
much obliged, trismegistos. I regret to say i cannot contribute at the moment with an oracle myself as in the past biggrin.gif

if you have time to play around, PyChing, but it's pretty difficult to get running on Windows.

I Ging

the site is very, very informative and educational -but it has "tinfoil" as the american says, written all over it biggrin.gif beerchug.gif

ha ha

will try to learn the I ching but I much prefer to learn the dowsing or the pendulum.

don't worry azaz. we are in the age of the revelations of truth.

taybenco
i'll take up astrology some time in the future biggrin.gif

the gold design on the site is pretty nice. maybe one day we will see coins as those. biggrin.gif

is there a way knowing the "good guys" from the "bad guys" in this? I mean, those loyal to the legacy and those opposed? biggrin.gif

Reading some of the info material provided on the Foundation site, the international bankers Cabal is somehow split on this matter.
trismegistos
QUOTE (taybenco @ Jun 19 2009, 07:55 AM) *
i'll take up astrology some time in the future biggrin.gif

the gold design on the site is pretty nice. maybe one day we will see coins as those. biggrin.gif

is there a way knowing the "good guys" from the "bad guys" in this? I mean, those loyal to the legacy and those opposed? biggrin.gif

Reading some of the info material provided on the Foundation site, the international bankers Cabal is somehow split on this matter.


Honestly, i'm having difficulty discerning who are the bad guys and who are the good guys here in this case.

Wrong moves for e.g. of the claimants could trigger a financial collapse of the entire financial system which would fan a possible global warfare.(Recent modern wars were triggered by financial crises.)

Accdg to the PresterJohn prophecies, in the end times in his realms will be unleashed Gog and Magog. Is he talking about a financial one which will trigger the worst kind of war the world has ever known? Just speculating. Mayan prophecies, BibleCode, Pyramid prophecies, Hopi Indian prophecies, Jfloro prophecies, Fatima prophecies, Conspiracy theorist prophecies, Fundamentalist Christian's Rapture prophecies etc. all seems to converge.
taybenco
QUOTE (trismegistos @ Jun 19 2009, 06:50 PM) *
Honestly, i'm having difficulty discerning who are the bad guys and who are the good guys here in this case.

Wrong moves for e.g. of the claimants could trigger a financial collapse of the entire financial system which would fan a possible global warfare.(Recent modern wars were triggered by financial crises.)

Accdg to the PresterJohn prophecies, in the end times in his realms will be unleashed Gog and Magog. Is he talking about a financial one which will trigger the worst kind of war the world has ever known? Just speculating. Mayan prophecies, BibleCode, Pyramid prophecies, Hopi Indian prophecies, Jfloro prophecies, Fatima prophecies, Conspiracy theorist prophecies, Fundamentalist Christian's Rapture prophecies etc. all seems to converge.


yes the elites are fighting each other, & some having caused the financial crisis willfully & some others willing to gamble in the great political & military arena as well ( see NoKor vs USA ). the claimants and the philippines are caught in the middle. worst case in my opinion is not that there will be a war (terrible enough) but not world war or apocalypse, but afterwards there will be followed by one or 2 more.

tris, to clear up some misunderstanding regarding the iging.
alexandra
you know-- I finally got this BUILDING AN EMPIRE series from History International-- & in the Chinese section, when this Grand royal Eunich build like 500 plus long distance seagoing vessels he started his trip going to Ceylon & buma first.. completely bypassing the Phil.. as they showed the map.. of his stops.. & route.. which tells me.. in essence-- most of what's written above is not exactly factual-- bec if the Phil then had such a ruling class?? The Chinese would have gone there & paid respects.

this grand voyage happend in the 14th century during the Mings.
taybenco
precisely, because the Sultan of Jolo visited the Emperor on his own as equal 1417, not being kidnapped by the Treasure Fleet of Zheng He and forced into submission & tribute as other rulers. So the documentary was quite factual icon_wink.gif
alexandra
I have this on right now-- this Grand Eunich Admiral is called.. ZHENG HE.. 1371-1433(anyone can check on him)

and his voyage started in 1405.. said-- this Chinese Armada is even grander & bigger than the Spanish Armada ever was-- & Zheng He built the hugest wood sea going vessel in history.. bigger than a football field..his flagship.
(boy! until this documentary-- I never knew the chinese even attempted going abroad..nor had an armada but after this man died young.. the emperor recalled the fleet & burnt all these ships.. still a mystery.. why he decreed it)
taybenco
the first time i heard of this was in san francisco, 1996 - there was a exhibition devoted to him & a scale model of the largest type of the "treasure ships".
alexandra
cracks my spelling.. eunuch.. not eunich.. I'm going bonky.. lol..
taybenco
QUOTE
Wrong moves for e.g. of the claimants could trigger a financial collapse of the entire financial system which would fan a possible global warfare.(Recent modern wars were triggered by financial crises.)


Hmm, but making no moves or a moving too late will have them taken advantage of by others. T
alexandra
QUOTE (taybenco @ Jun 19 2009, 12:43 PM) *
the first time i heard of this was in san francisco, 1996 - there was a exhibition devoted to him & a scale model of the largest type of the "treasure ships".



great.. I wish I saw it.

as it is-- like I've said before-- only now, is the west learning the true history of China--AS IT'S only now-- in their LONG history--are they really getting open to western historians.

why, I keep arguing with this Filipino history --most of it is mostly unproven.. & why making such a big deal about Brunei?? when it's BURMA AKA MYANMAR.. that played a huge part in those parts during that period.. as Burma was part of the Silk Road route, next to India, bordering china & close to those Indonesian islands.

also, China will never allow those Islamic islands to become a threat.. as this is usually the ploy of a dominant power( think Peter the Great conquering the Baltic states as buffer against viking invasions)

why, highly unlikely-- Phil, etc.. had much to threaten china.. otherwise, it would have invaded it,& Malaysia, taiwan etc.. in the 14th century.. with all these Maharlika empire.. sounds good.. but.. ?????

the one threat to china from the south was Japan.. the rest?? it ignored.
taybenco
alex, ask around the chinese forum, they will tell you China never ever invaded anybody, never during their long, long history icon_wink.gif

the Zheng He expedition remained an episode, in an empire that was forced to turn inward at that time (construction of the Grand Canal Project etc.)

to the subject of gold & coins, i found this, would be a fitting design to be resurrected if the gold should be minted - these are the 1 & 2 centavo coins, the 1st republic didn't last longer icon_confused.gif





just a question to people more knowledgable: is the smiling sun also a reflection of jesuit symbolism - see the ateneo / SJ signum. The Philippine coat of arms - with the triangle freemasonry inspired "pyramid" and the malayan/lemurian/maharlikan numerological meaning of the sun's rays - is quite a grand coat of arms icon_wink.gif
alexandra
yeah.. I KNOW the chinese NEVER invaded anyone--outside invading each other's kingdom's-- My point was-- IF any country(or empire/kingdoms) did indeed threaten them.. like all these rajah this & that.. & this empire being mentioned above.. to Hawaii?? Guam?? come on.. trust me.. the Chinese wouldn't have thouht twice invading them.. as Zheng He proved- they are capable building hundreds of ships with weapons.. as the chinese too-- will NOT tolerate it.. after having been invaded & colonised by the Mongolians from the NORTH.. & being threatened in the south..

in other words.. the upshot of what I'm saying is.. these Indianized islands were NOT as great as it seems to be or m,ade to be.... as they were NO threat to the Chinese.. why they left them alone.

yeah.. those coins look great 1899??

alexandra
QUOTE (taybenco @ Jun 19 2009, 02:45 PM) *
alex, ask around the chinese forum, they will tell you China never ever invaded anybody, never during their long, long history icon_wink.gif

the Zheng He expedition remained an episode, in an empire that was forced to turn inward at that time (construction of the Grand Canal Project etc.)

to the subject of gold & coins, i found this, would be a fitting design to be resurrected if the gold should be minted - these are the 1 & 2 centavo coins, the 1st republic didn't last longer icon_confused.gif





just a question to people more knowledgable: is the smiling sun also a reflection of jesuit symbolism - see the ateneo / SJ signum. The Philippine coat of arms - with the triangle freemasonry inspired "pyramid" and the malayan/lemurian/maharlikan numerological meaning of the sun's rays - is quite a grand coat of arms icon_wink.gif



also.. that grand canal is mentioned in this building the Forbidden city. amazing.. still in use today..

anyhow.. it says zheng He visited 37 countries!! including Europe.. in the 14th century?? when Europe was still grappling with themselves & having their religious/power struggles.. shoot! if the Chinese wanted too-- they would have become the hugest empire ever.. as Europe didn't really come into it's own until the 16th century-- when Italy had it's renaissance..

mind boggling.. in it's possibilities.. but he died young .. & there was a new emperor who decreed to burnt his ships.. china once again became insular.. & so it remained for centuries.

trismegistos
QUOTE (taybenco @ Jun 19 2009, 02:45 PM) *
...is the smiling sun also a reflection of jesuit symbolism - see the ateneo / SJ signum. The Philippine coat of arms - with the triangle freemasonry inspired "pyramid" and the malayan/lemurian/maharlikan numerological meaning of the sun's rays - is quite a grand coat of arms icon_wink.gif

No, the KKK and the Propagandistas were not Jesuits. ha ha
Calling Shambalista. She's an expert on freemasonry and La Filipinas.

The common denominator between the Jesuits inner circle and the freemasons, founding fathers of the republic just like the founding fathers of other nations(like thomas jefferson and george washington of u.s), they are all steeped in symbolisms, rituals, esoteric secrets, etc. Many theosophists claim that freemasonry and other secret societies has its roots in the Orient, the Cradle of Wisdom. Western sages like from Ancient Greece point to Ancient Egypt as the source. While Ancient Egyptians point to more Far East location of its wisdom. Just follow the Gaze of the Great Sphynx.
alexandra
you do realize to the ancient Egyptians-- the Orient for them will mean-- INDIA & CHINA..?? don't you?? as their civilizations had synchronicity in it's own development.

as for the europeans.. don't forget the DRUIDS.. & STONEHENGE.
Suzuka00
QUOTE (trismegistos @ Jun 19 2009, 11:47 PM) *
No, the KKK and the Propagandistas were not Jesuits. ha ha
Calling Shambalista. She's an expert on freemasonry and La Filipinas.

The common denominator between the Jesuits inner circle and the freemasons, founding fathers of the republic just like the founding fathers of other nations(like thomas jefferson and george washington of u.s), they are all steeped in symbolisms, rituals, esoteric secrets, etc. Many theosophists claim that freemasonry and other secret societies has its roots in the Orient, the Cradle of Wisdom. Western sages like from Ancient Greece point to Ancient Egypt as the source. While Ancient Egyptians point to more Far East location of its wisdom. Just follow the Gaze of the Great Sphynx.

Freemasons raped our land when it was on "warring states/fuedal era",spain's monarchy,actually european monarchy is a member of freemasons.
trismegistos
QUOTE (taybenco @ Jun 19 2009, 12:21 PM) *
yes the elites are fighting each other, & some having caused the financial crisis willfully & some others willing to gamble in the great political & military arena as well ( see NoKor vs USA ). the claimants and the philippines are caught in the middle. worst case in my opinion is not that there will be a war (terrible enough) but not world war or apocalypse, but afterwards there will be followed by one or 2 more.

tris, to clear up some misunderstanding regarding the iging.

Thanks, taybenco for clearing things up.
Namaste!
azaz
The foremost institution that should clear this controversy is the Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas, formerly the Central Bank of the Philippines. But action seems to had never been taken and this evasive reply added more mystery to this matter:


BANGKO SENTRAL NG PILIPINAS
CASH DEPARTMENT
Investigation Staff


19 December 2005


Mr. Cenon C. Marcos
President
Don Esteban B. Tallano and
Don Gregorio Madrigal Acop Foundation
6751 Ayala Avenue, Makati City

Subject:
Notice of Termination of Lease of Tagean-Tallano Gold

Dear Mr. Marcos:

This is to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated 05 December 2005
addressed to the Governor, Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas (BSP), relative to the above-
captioned subject. The said letter was forwarded to the Cash Department (CD), this Bank
for appropriate action.

We have noted/filed your letter for records purposes. We wish to clarify
that this reply is not an acknowledgment of the validity/authenticity of the contents of
your letter
.


Very truly yours,


(Sgd) RUFINO C. ATIENZA, JR.
Manager
I

Cc: The Governor
The Deputy Governor, MSS
The Acting Managing Director, CD & CIRO
Suzuka00
QUOTE (alexandra @ Jun 20 2009, 12:17 AM) *
you do realize to the ancient Egyptians-- the Orient for them will mean-- INDIA & CHINA..?? don't you?? as their civilizations had synchronicity in it's own development.

as for the europeans.. don't forget the DRUIDS.. & STONEHENGE.

The Filipinos have their own version of Druids.

QUOTE
i'll take up astrology some time in the future


According to my visions

I predicted the downfall of Erap when he is just running for president,I know that something bad will happen if he wins,I did not see FPJ winning too,I already know that Rudy Fernandez will die or had died even before I read anything on the internet or in the news about him....

The destiny of the Philippines is distorted it will be back to balance in a violent way back to the path it was before the spanish colonized the philippines,Islamization is one of them but wars happen when the destiny corrects itself.
alexandra
druids?? where??? speaK up.. now, is the time to do that posting..
alexandra
QUOTE (Suzuka00 @ Jun 22 2009, 12:39 AM) *
The Filipinos have their own version of Druids.



According to my visions

I predicted the downfall of Erap when he is just running for president,I know that something bad will happen if he wins,I did not see FPJ winning too,I already know that Rudy Fernandez will die or had died even before I read anything on the internet or in the news about him....

The destiny of the Philippines is distorted it will be back to balance in a violent way back to the path it was before the spanish colonized the philippines,Islamization is one of them but wars happen when the destiny corrects itself.



wow.. that's one prediction.. now, you're a psychic too??? I will tell you right now-- Catholicism is too imbedded in that country & it's concioiusness for it to be ever be islamic.. and it will be better off to be Buddhist. than Islamic.

as for it's destiny before the spaniards.. pray ,tell.. what's that?? still don't get it--do you?? without the colonization of spain-- Phil would have become the least developed islands in those parts.


my point.. I return to same deal.. no ruins, no temples, no books, no recording, mostly it's culture derived from indonesia..no centralised goverment, warring faxctions, no infrastructures, on & on..

do you still want me to go on?

love them or hate them.. the fact remains.. SPAIN GAVE THOSE ISLANDS A NAME.. & PLACED IT ON THE WORLD MAP!
alexandra
what's more--even laos can prove ancient remnants of their forebears.. know that?? yeah.. in their countryside, ancient huge urns dating back Bc.. close to the same type of stone used in stonehenge.. dots this region.. even present Laostians don't know where,how & who these people were..

watch it bourdain's No reservation.. & see it for yourself.

why I am so amaze nothing of this sort have ever been found at this late date in Phil..
Suzuka00
QUOTE (alexandra @ Jun 22 2009, 02:58 AM) *
wow.. that's one prediction.. now, you're a psychic too??? I will tell you right now-- Catholicism is too imbedded in that country & it's concioiusness for it to be ever be islamic.. and it will be better off to be Buddhist. than Islamic.

as for it's destiny before the spaniards.. pray ,tell.. what's that?? still don't get it--do you?? without the colonization of spain-- Phil would have become the least developed islands in those parts.


my point.. I return to same deal.. no ruins, no temples, no books, no recording, mostly it's culture derived from indonesia..no centralised goverment, warring faxctions, no infrastructures, on & on..

do you still want me to go on?

love them or hate them.. the fact remains.. SPAIN GAVE THOSE ISLANDS A NAME.. & PLACED IT ON THE WORLD MAP!

It will by hook or by crook destiny cannot be changed.

Maguindanao Sultanate and Luzon Empire are already powerful during pre-hispanic times,those two don't have wars if they ally with each other the philippine archipelago will be untouchable to the spaniards.
alexandra
QUOTE (Suzuka00 @ Jun 22 2009, 07:10 AM) *
It will by hook or by crook destiny cannot be changed.

Maguindanao Sultanate and Luzon Empire are already powerful during pre-hispanic times,those two don't have wars if they ally with each other the philippine archipelago will be untouchable to the spaniards.



honey pot.. here you go again.. THERE WAS NO LUZON EMPIRE.. by definition of empire.. get it???? NONE! not with all those warring factions... now, you're the one NEEDS TO BE 'KICKED BUM'.. icon_wink.gif as you kept quaintly alluded to me..

NOW, if there was anything to rival ANGKOR WAT in those shores- I'll say.. yeah.. you have a point.. BUT YOU DON'T & there's NO proof..

RUINS, MY DEAR.. NEVER LIE.. icon_wink.gif icon_redface.gif embarassedlaugh.gif
and don't say-- it's bec of tropical jungle.. AS aNGKOR WAT WAS BUILT IN the middle of a tropical jungle-- in 12 century-- & was already starting to be reclaimed by the jungle by the 18th century-- when a French explorer stumbled into it.. & wrote about it upon his return to France. Same way-- at Cambodian forum-- there's a Japanese who wrote about it in the 16th..even made a map of it.

Phil has NO DRUIDS. why they believe in legends like 'aswang'..
alexandra


and why continuing from the other thread-- the Chinese explorer ZHENG HE never paid respects & sailed to any of those so-called kingdoms in those islands.. and TRUE.. the sultan of Jolo was invited to court in Nanking.. he's the only one recognised.


as it turned out zheng He was a Muslim.. & he was even helping in the migration of chinese Muslims to Taiwan etc.. no mention of any of those kingdoms in Phil..

in reading history-- you have to cross-check data.
alexandra
PS: what's more-- if those 'kigdoms' were formidable as you think & believe.. duh2.gif ??? hell, don't have to wait for the spaniards-- the chinese would have invaded them & kicked them to smithereens.. as the chinese Mings would have never allowed any forces threatening them close to the borders.. & the so china seas.. in the 15th century..

now, that's just politics..
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