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taybenco
QUOTE (alexandra @ Jun 22 2009, 05:33 PM) *
and why continuing from the other thread-- the Chinese explorer ZHENG HE never paid respects & sailed to any of those so-called kingdoms in those islands.. and TRUE.. the sultan of Jolo was invited to court in Nanking.. he's the only one recognised.


as it turned out zheng He was a Muslim.. & he was even helping in the migration of chinese Muslims to Taiwan etc.. no mention of any of those kingdoms in Phil..

in reading history-- you have to cross-check data.


Alex, just ask the people in the Chinese forum - they educated me too icon_wink.gif

Zheng He was a Hui (Muslim), but he also worshipped Buddha and the Daoist Sea-Goddess as well - "typical chinese" as some say.

Hm, i am actually pretty critical of that "chinese muslim migration" to Taiwan... better cross check the data that they weren't following some secret "annex the ROC" agenda there... biggrin.gif

to Trismegistos: a small parody

Some people know how to treat their Gold, some people will never learn biggrin.gif

to Suzuka00, my predictions change as the environment changes. It is always good to stay aware of the changes in Nature and Humanity.





alexandra
yeah.. agree.. tay..

I find this Zheng He quite fascinating.. he was found as a boy in Central Asia(hence why he' was Muslim) & made as a eunuch(ouch) then taken as playmate to the royal prince who later became emperor.. & he went from here & went through theranks until he became A GRAND ROYAL EUNUCH.. & ADMIRAL OF THE FLEET..

I have chinese films about becoming a eunuch- brutal!! & such rituals.. yikes!~ painful.. but they held such power though..so a lot of young men tried hard to become one or their families sold them.. as it brought royal favours.


as for Zheng He being a Muslim?? but if those kingdoms Susu tries to perpetuate was remotely true.. ??? Zheng He wouldn't have thought twice to invade Luzon or any of those islands once it was decreed by his emperor.. by autocratic rule.. HE MUST OBEY-- THE EMPEROR RULES ABSOLUTE.. so forget the Spaniards.. China would have annex those islands.. the Mings would never have entertained any threat after the Mongolians in the North..
alexandra


afterthought: what's more not just Taiwan but other countries like Thailand even.. Zheng He helped the migration of chinese Muslims.. but NEVER any islands what later became known as Phil.. not even Jolo.. this alone should tell one something.. he kept diplomatic relations but didn't t ake those seriously.. no chinese Muslims there,right??

in other words.. those kingdoms weren't much to be reckoned with..
azaz
QUOTE (alexandra @ Jun 22 2009, 03:10 AM) *
what's more--even laos can prove ancient remnants of their forebears.. know that?? yeah.. in their countryside, ancient huge urns dating back Bc.. close to the same type of stone used in stonehenge.. dots this region.. even present Laostians don't know where,how & who these people were..

watch it bourdain's No reservation.. & see it for yourself.

why I am so amaze nothing of this sort have ever been found at this late date in Phil..


I am not an expert on these matters as you guys (You're amazing!) but I just want to input something. It is true that we don't have ancient remnants like those of other countries maybe because we don't see them yet. The remnants may not be above ground but below it. Just for example here in Cavite, it is common knowledge to old folks here ( like Bishop Tagle, Ex Rep. Gilbert Remulla, Gov. Maliksi, the late National Scientist in Nuclear Medicine and founder of the Cavite Historical Society also Nobel Prize Nominee, Dr. Paulo C. Campos, etc.) that there are tunnels, running tens of kilometers, underneath this province. Some say they are Spanish times irrigation systems but we don't have any record in history of any massive mobilization of labor force to construct these tunnels (And why an elaborate underground irrigation when Cavite is rich in rivers and streams to do the job?). Couple of years ago, a DENR-CENRO person described one of the tunnels he saw as being walled with bricks with a stream of water flowing on its floor. Old people says that during World War II, Caviteños used these tunnels to evade the Japanese. Those who explore the tunnels find it difficult to go deeper as oxygen is lost. Most of the entrances are already covered because of subdivisions and other infrastructures. I have repeatedly asked concerned people/institutions to explore the tunnels of Cavite but still no results. The tunnels might give historical finds and reveal more of our ancient past. It may also become a tourist attraction like ancient tunnels in other countries. Just to think, if our ancestors were tunnel dwellers, could it be possible that the Philippines was once mostly covered with ice?
alexandra


shoot!! even I'm so surprise nothing thus far.. has been found.. but from the looks of it & there's quite a lot of proof of this.. those native inhabitants of those islands weren't really into irrigation.. or engineering.. bet those tunnels were built during the spanish era..

what's more no ancient temples.. nor ruins of it.. in stone.. Indonesia has quite a lot of this..

I keep saying this-- those islands were too isolated from it's neighbours to have active intercourse of ideas.. & to be easily reached & it lumbered it's progress.. what's more.. let's face it/... pretty easy going & not too resourceful..it needed outside stimulus..
azaz
For new readers, especially those studying or reinvestigating Philippine history, welcome. Sift out the truth.
Suzuka00
QUOTE (taybenco @ Jun 22 2009, 01:34 PM) *
to Suzuka00, my predictions change as the environment changes. It is always good to stay aware of the changes in Nature and Humanity.

Destiny cannot be changed it can be only be distorted but it will be back on it's course later....


QUOTE
as for Zheng He being a Muslim?? but if those kingdoms Susu tries to perpetuate was remotely true.. ??? Zheng He wouldn't have thought twice to invade Luzon or any of those islands once it was decreed by his emperor.. by autocratic rule.. HE MUST OBEY-- THE EMPEROR RULES ABSOLUTE.. so forget the Spaniards.. China would have annex those islands.. the Mings would never have entertained any threat after the Mongolians in the North..

That is the reason why people like thais people do not trust chinese,you sinophile.....

Actually ancient "Filipinos" don't mind chinese either.
alexandra


SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT.. SUKA????






chelemasty
QUOTE (azaz @ Jun 23 2009, 09:44 PM) *
I am not an expert on these matters as you guys but I just want to input something. It is true that we don't have ancient remnants like those of other countries maybe because we don't see them yet.


Very true. Also, aren't ancient artifacts, which the Philippines has a lot of it, can also be remnants of the past? Why these people only wants Ancient buildings or structures to be the basis of a remnant of the past? Let's bare in mind that our ancestors are not really into building big temples or pyraminds. They live in caves, houses made from wood or straws, and so on. even the Datus of Sulu long time ago only have a wooden house. But you can never tell though, maybe there's more that has yet to be discovered. Also watch this video, aren't this gold jewelries remnants of the past?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIwuvg_VnU
trismegistos
QUOTE (azaz @ Jun 23 2009, 08:44 PM) *
I am not an expert on these matters as you guys (You're amazing!) but I just want to input something. It is true that we don't have ancient remnants like those of other countries maybe because we don't see them yet. The remnants may not be above ground but below it. Just for example here in Cavite, it is common knowledge to old folks here ( like Bishop Tagle, Ex Rep. Gilbert Remulla, Gov. Maliksi, the late National Scientist in Nuclear Medicine and founder of the Cavite Historical Society also Nobel Prize Nominee, Dr. Paulo C. Campos, etc.) that there are tunnels, running tens of kilometers, underneath this province. Some say they are Spanish times irrigation systems but we don't any record in history of any massive mobilization of labor force to construct these tunnels (And why an elaborate underground irrigation when Cavite is rich in rivers and streams to do the job?). Couple of years ago, a DENR-CENRO person described one of the tunnels he saw as being walled with bricks with a stream of water flowing on its floor. Old people says that during World War II, Caviteños used these tunnels to evade the Japanese. Those who explore the tunnels find it difficult to go deeper as oxygen is lost. Most of the entrances are already covered because of subdivisions and other infrastructures. I have repeatedly asked concerned people/institutions to explore the tunnels of Cavite but still no results. The tunnels might give historical finds and reveal more of our ancient past. It may also become a tourist attraction like ancient tunnels in other countries. Just to think, if our ancestors were tunnel dwellers, could it be possible that the Philippines was once mostly covered with ice?

A few weeks back, I chanced upon a forum visited by visionaries alike. A famouns American visionary whose idol was Edgar Cayce had a few remarks about the Philippines being part of Lemuria. He said in the coming Ice age, much of the land coming from the sea will resurfaced and more artifacts and subterranean structures or tunnels will give a glimpse of this Advanced Civilization of long foregone past of the Philippine Isles.
Suzuka00
QUOTE (chelemasty @ Jun 26 2009, 08:19 PM) *
Very true. Also, aren't ancient artifacts, which the Philippines has a lot of it, can also be remnants of the past? Why these people only wants Ancient buildings or structures to be the basis of a remnant of the past? Let's bare in mind that our ancestors are not really into building big temples or pyraminds. They live in caves, houses made from wood or straws, and so on. even the Datus of Sulu long time ago only have a wooden house. But you can never tell though, maybe there's more that has yet to be discovered. Also watch this video, aren't this gold jewelries remnants of the past?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIwuvg_VnU

that is my point as well.
azaz
Historians say that the ancient Sumerian language (Sumerians were ancient founders of civilization in Mesopotamia) has no similarities with ancient and modern languages. But it is fascinating that they called their Goddess of Fertility and Queen of Heaven, INANA or NANA. These are very close to (if not really same with) INA, NANAY, NANA which we call our mothers. Do we have Sumerian roots? Does it somehow explain why most Filipinos have strong affinity to the Blessed Mother Mary?
trismegistos
QUOTE (azaz @ Jun 29 2009, 12:12 AM) *
Historians say that the ancient Sumerian language (Sumerians were ancient founders of civilization in Mesopotamia) has no similarities with ancient and modern languages. But it is fascinating that they called their Goddess of Fertility and Queen of Heaven, INANA or NANA. These are very close to (if not really same with) INA, NANAY, NANA which we call our mothers. Do we have Sumerian roots? Does it somehow explain why most Filipinos have strong affinity to the Blessed Mother Mary?

the proper question is: did they have lemurian roots or austric roots?

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9845/sumer.htm

My observation:
The Sumerian King of the Gods named An is similar in etymology with the English indefinite article, "An" and similar sounding to the Filipino article, "Ang". While the latin root word, "Theo", which means God, is similar to the English article, "The".
The Jewish root word of God which is "El" is etymologically similar to the Spanish article"El" or "la" which is similar sounding to Islam God, "Allah". The latin rootword for God, "Theo" is etymologically similar to Deus or Zeus(Greek God) or Dyaus(Hindu God) or with our Filipino,"Dios or Diyos". And with Dyaus Pitar(father), you have Jupiter, Roman equivalent.

Roman Goddess of Beauty, "Venus, is equivalent to the Greek Goddess, "Aphrodite", is equivalent to the Sumerian Goddess,"Innana" is equivalent to the Akkadian Goddess, "Ishtar". Ishtar is similar sounding for the astronomical entity:Star. While, the Tibetan or Tantric Goddess is named Tara is also the Austronesian Goddess, tara, patron goddess of seamen. Tara is similar sounding to our local goddess Tala which is also our word for Star.







OT: you may find interesting this links too, regarding Prehispanic Philippine history...
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...t&p=4272522
and http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=207212
azaz
QUOTE (chelemasty @ Jun 26 2009, 08:19 PM) *
Very true. Also, aren't ancient artifacts, which the Philippines has a lot of it, can also be remnants of the past? Why these people only wants Ancient buildings or structures to be the basis of a remnant of the past? Let's bare in mind that our ancestors are not really into building big temples or pyraminds. They live in caves, houses made from wood or straws, and so on. even the Datus of Sulu long time ago only have a wooden house. But you can never tell though, maybe there's more that has yet to be discovered. Also watch this video, aren't this gold jewelries remnants of the past?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DIwuvg_VnU

This video is very informative. Everyone should watch this video. I am also looking for the video of Joma Sison talking backdropped with stacks of gold bars. I have seen it before on TV. I hope somebody also post that video here.
Suzuka00
QUOTE (azaz @ Jun 29 2009, 09:02 PM) *
This video is very informative. Everyone should watch this video. I am also looking for the video of Joma Sison talking backdropped with stacks of gold bars. I have seen it before on TV. I hope somebody also post that video here.

I pointed out the truth that the Gorontalos of sulawesi speak a philippine language/dialect therefore they are one of us....

I believe that the inhabitants of the philippines need to recognize and respect their royal houses again....
azaz
I used to read before from the Ming Santa Romana site (now deleted) that the Central Bank of the Philippines does not belong to the Filipino people, Alphine kept saying. I found that ridiculous. But after Daniel Dingle's story about the Central Bank's rejection of his water powered car project because it would compete with industrial products of other countries and its seeming lost of 617,500 metric tons of gold without any accountability to the owners, to the Filipino people, and even to the Philippine Government, it makes me think that Todd Alphine was right all along.
trismegistos
QUOTE (azaz @ Jun 30 2009, 08:16 PM) *
I used to read before from the Ming Santa Romana site (now deleted) that the Central Bank of the Philippines does not belong to the Filipino people, Alphine kept saying. I found that ridiculous. But after Daniel Dingle's story about the Central Bank's rejection of his water powered car project because it would compete with industrial products of other countries and its seeming lost of 617,500 metric tons of gold without any accountability to the owners, to the Filipino people, and even to the Philippine Government, it makes me think that Todd Alphine was right all along.

He's absolutely right. All central banks of the world are now privatized owned by a few "good men", the Global elites headed by the Rotschild family(Pindar) as well as the Rockefeller, Krupps, other elites, mostly members of the Black Illuminati, Black Freemasonry, and other black secret societies(There are black, and there are also opposing White Noble Brotherhoods connected to the Divine). They headed the trilateral commision, Council of foreign relations. They own the Japanese banks, Federal Reserve, Asian Development Bank, IMF-
World bank etc.

13 bloodlines of the Black Illuminati:

Rothschild (Bauer or Bower) - Pindar

Bruce

Cavendish (Kennedy)

De Medici

Hanover

Hapsburg

Krupp

Plantagenet

Rockefeller

Romanov

Sinclair (St. Clair)

Warburg (del Banco)

Windsor (Saxe-Coburg-Gothe)

Their henchmen, including George Soros, the main man who speculate with the Illuminati funds to bring down currencies such as the Asian crises of '97, instigated war like the Georgia-Russian scuffle etc. Kissinger is one of them, Schultz is one of them with their henchman locally, FVR, bringing down the dictatorship of Marcos.

Do you think they would like to see Maharlika or Pilipinas joining the ranks of the First world? No way, cause they would not want to end their reign, as the "New Jerusalem". Their "new Jerusalem" days are almost over. And the Philippines and Southeast Asia is destined to be the next. The White Holy Grail is in Southeast Asia. While their templar knights and what they are guarding, their holy grail(those bloodlines), have both already turned black. Now, their days are bleak and dim.

Now, why are they afraid of the Phoenix-like rise of the Philippines?
taybenco
Am i right in assuming that the gold will be invested elsewhere? bawling.gif

The control of the dark powers will not be broken so easily...propping up that what is fated to fall is volunteering to be a bagholder eek.gif
azaz
If Alphine is indeed correct, then we have a central bank that inhibits the progress of the Philippines and at the same time rob the Filipinos of wealth and honor.

As for the 1997 Asian financial crisis, I remember proposing in January 1998 to the Office of the President of the Philippines two solutions to free the region from too much dependence on the US dollar: the creation of a unified Asian currency and the purchased-by-local-currency scheme in inter Asean trade. I received an acknowledgment from OP mid of January and almost same time Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir made a one on one meeting with Pres. Ramos. When Mahathir left, he echoed exactly same proposal that I made to Pres. Ramos. I do not know if it was just coincidental or Pres. Ramos also got same idea as mine but !'m sure the idea was Philippine made and not Malaysian. The only question was why Mahathir became the regional voice of that idea and not Pres. Ramos.
ShambhalistaMwaha
QUOTE (trismegistos @ Jun 30 2009, 09:11 PM) *
He's absolutely right. All central banks of the world are now privatized owned by a few "good men", the Global elites headed by the Rotschild family(Pindar) as well as the Rockefeller, Krupps, other elites, mostly members of the Black Illuminati, Black Freemasonry, and other black secret societies(There are black, and there are also opposing White Noble Brotherhoods connected to the Divine). They headed the trilateral commision, Council of foreign relations. They own the Japanese banks, Federal Reserve, Asian Development Bank, IMF-
World bank etc.

13 bloodlines of the Black Illuminati:

Rothschild (Bauer or Bower) - Pindar

Bruce

Cavendish (Kennedy)

De Medici

Hanover

Hapsburg

Krupp

Plantagenet

Rockefeller

Romanov

Sinclair (St. Clair)

Warburg (del Banco)

Windsor (Saxe-Coburg-Gothe)

Their henchmen, including George Soros, the main man who speculate with the Illuminati funds to bring down currencies such as the Asian crises of '97, instigated war like the Georgia-Russian scuffle etc. Kissinger is one of them, Schultz is one of them with their henchman locally, FVR, bringing down the dictatorship of Marcos.

Do you think they would like to see Maharlika or Pilipinas joining the ranks of the First world? No way, cause they would not want to end their reign, as the "New Jerusalem". Their "new Jerusalem" days are almost over. And the Philippines and Southeast Asia is destined to be the next. The White Holy Grail is in Southeast Asia. While their templar knights and what they are guarding, their holy grail(those bloodlines), have both already turned black. Now, their days are bleak and dim.

Now, why are they afraid of the Phoenix-like rise of the Philippines?


Theyre afraid because, the destiny of Pax-Filipinas "It's rising like a phoenix" will destroy their monopoly of power and totally revolutionize this world.

Brothers and sisters we have to stand strong. In order to liberate the world from the Black Freemasons we must 1st cleanse the chosen land of all of history "Filipinas" of it's slimy tentacles and we should start by spreading the truth about it.

The Truth about how it is the root and fruit of the former and resurected Atlantis/Lemuria myths.

http://www.atlan.org/book/

And the true empire of Sri Visaya (Shining Victory)

http://rciasia.tripod.com/pangpang.html

And if you follow the historical circumstance which judged the destiny of nations, the chain of events have proven that power is always turned over to those who were subjugated by their oppressors. Pax Romana gave way to Pax Britania (Britain was a former colony of Rome) and Pax Britania gave way to Pax Americana (America was the former colony of Britain) and using this historical syllogism, the next age would be Pax Filipinas (Since we are the only secessionists from America)

The current corrupt powers are trying their best to suppress us but the time is ripe for our revenge. We have waited for a thousand years but now divine providence have favored us and I am fervently convicted that the true God is with us and not even the murderous God of the Jews (And the Black Elite) nor the Godless societies of the false can stand up against the true and immortal God of Atlantis. Which in his divine wisdom created and guided the Philippines and destined him to be the most handsome nation on this planet...



LOL!!!!

This is they year of 111th Birthday of our Republic. A year were we shall shake the very foundations of the geopolitical order.

Seriously, spread the good news, young and old favored or skeptic. The best offense against the powers of darkness is the light of truth and by the grace of the true God and the various masters which has taught us, we shall prevail.
taybenco
Welcome back! Did you complete your novel yet ? biggrin.gif

Better be careful with our "victorian" censors icon_redface.gif LOL
azaz
Welcome Shambhalista! I think you surprised researchers of Philippine studies with that map. eek.gif
Anyway, I hope people also see this video about Manila in 1938. You can also see other Asian cities through The Travel Film Archive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvpbsyNcI3I

By the way, do you get warned too? I am 67% warned.
taybenco
Castilian Memoirs

This was linked there too, but the narrator sounds a bit dummer... "The only place under the stars n' stripes where the Prohibition is prohibited!" LOL

Complete with dancing prisoners LOL !!!! Nothing has changed since the 1930s biggrin.gif

I've posted this before, but i still like it best, even if it is silent.

Old Family Footage

Japanese Footage used in American Propaganda

Japan Invades The Philippines

The Destruction of Old Manila 1945

Battle of Manila
azaz
Those are good videos too, Taybenco. Although the American narrator in the Castillian Memoirs insults Filipinos and even the humble carabao. I think you also noticed the two beautiful ladies, one meztiza, other more Filipina. They seem to be more sophisticated than other Asian women during that time. And the people were really hardworking ( noticed the factory) unlike what the narrator says.

Anyway, prior to the unified Asian currency and the purchase-by-local currency scheme I put forward was the proposal for the Philippines to initiate an international forum on third world debt which was also acknowledged by OP and seen as a positive step in the solution of third world debt. I was hoping that creditor, debtor countries, and international concerned organizations could sit down and work toward a partial or total cancellation of third world debt in which the Philippines is bracketed. There were calculations before that most, if not all, principal of third world debt could already be seen paid or more than paid if the total payment for its interest is considered. Third world debtor countries, even if they are already too poor to pay, continue to honor creditor banking formulas for debt payment which can be changed or totally disregarded since they are not unchangeable physical laws but economic laws based in the hearts of men--- and hearts can change! There were signs during those times that some creditor countries, like France, were open to debt cancellation and I thought it was ripe for the Philippines to lead the third world to negotiate with its creditors. I was also hoping that it will make our politicians focus their eyes in solving international problems and drive their attention away from local politicking which really drags our country backward.
trismegistos
I share your sentiments.
Larouchephil shares also your sentiments.
The problem is if sovereign nations will not stand up against ,what Larouche term as, the Anglo-Dutch Financial Oligarchy instead of internal local politicking, it will be an upstream battle.

You can listen right now even as we "speak" to Larouche philippines http://www.larouchephil.com/ at AM radio DZXL 558khz from 8:00-9:00pm manila time(show is aired every sunday evening) http://www.rmn.ph/amstations/dzxl

BTW, Ramos at that time would not go against his masters and instead he followed their marching orders of Globalization aka New World Order with the help of GMA, De Venecia et al.

And also, the global elites encourage separatism, balkanizations, class and ethnic hatreds, local strifes or local politickings, destabilizations, in order to weaken nation states ,in effect, nation states will be their hostages and will do their every bidding.

e.g IMF-World Bank pressurings of third world countries
azaz
Trismegistos: "And also, the global elites encourage separatism, balkanizations, class and ethnic hatreds, local strifes or local politickings, destabilizations, in order to weaken nation states, in effect, nation states will be their hostages and will do their every bidding."

I think this what Alphine sees too, a design, in which most Filipinos psychologically exist. If only every Filipino rises beyond and above these disorders and work together rather than fight each other, then we have a chance to be a better nation and citizen of this world. I think the Filipino can if the Filipino wants too.
Sandaro
People know Philippines rich and intelligent. But you always fight.
Suzuka00
QUOTE (azaz @ Jul 7 2009, 10:42 PM) *
Trismegistos: "And also, the global elites encourage separatism, balkanizations, class and ethnic hatreds, local strifes or local politickings, destabilizations, in order to weaken nation states, in effect, nation states will be their hostages and will do their every bidding."

I think this what Alphine sees too, a design, in which most Filipinos psychologically exist. If only every Filipino rises beyond and above these disorders and work together rather than fight each other, then we have a chance to be a better nation and citizen of this world. I think the Filipino can if the Filipino wants too.


that is why i support slavic unity,unification of china(china and taiwan),unification of tibet(tibet,Arunachal Pradesh,bhutan,amdo and sikkim).

before that we should get back our territories given by spain to indonesia and taiwan which is north sulawesi(inc. miangas) and orchid island obviously ang ilan sa native languages doon ay dialect natin(gorontalo group and yami of orchid island) not spratly but sabah is worth getting because of the filipino community and change the name of our state.
azaz
QUOTE (Suzuka00 @ Jul 12 2009, 10:34 PM) *
that is why i support slavic unity,unification of china(china and taiwan),unification of tibet(tibet,Arunachal Pradesh,bhutan,amdo and sikkim).

before that we should get back our territories given by spain to indonesia and taiwan which is north sulawesi(inc. miangas) and orchid island obviously ang ilan sa native languages doon ay dialect natin(gorontalo group and yami of orchid island) not spratly but sabah is worth getting because of the filipino community and change the name of our state.

The Philippine government should help the Sultanate of Sulu bring and support the case of Sabah in the International Court. The Malaysian government still pays a lease of only around Php 60,000 every month to the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu as they haul the timber and drill for the oil. A Philippine move (of course will naturally raise the ire of Malaysia) would earn international respect as well as the respect of Filipinos from the South. The Philippine government needs not only rescue Sabah from Malaysia but also the thousands of Filipinos being maltreated in Sabah (especially Filipinas caught in white slavery). Sabah indeed still belongs to the Sultanate of Sulu and it needs the Philippine government to act.
Suzuka00
QUOTE (azaz @ Jul 12 2009, 10:59 PM) *
The Philippine government should help the Sultanate of Sulu bring and support the case of Sabah in the International Court. The Malaysian government still pays a lease of only around Php 60,000 every month to the heirs of the Sultanate of Sulu as they haul the timber and drill for the oil. A Philippine move (of course will naturally raise the ire of Malaysia) would earn international respect as well as the respect of Filipinos from the South. The Philippine government needs not only rescue Sabah from Malaysia but also the thousands of Filipinos being maltreated in Sabah (especially Filipinas caught in white slavery). Sabah indeed still belongs to the Sultanate of Sulu and it needs the Philippine government to act.

the same thing happens to orchid island in taiwan our people there are also maltreated because the taiwanese dump nuclear waste there,i don't know about north sulawesi....
azaz
Below are recent posts at Ming's Santa Romana (w/c I think was resurrected). It seems that deadline is approaching for claimants. Otherwise, the benefits would be distributed around the world and also maybe to international financial institutions that the Philippines would again ask for loan.
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19 Jun 2009 @ 04:16 by unknown angel with pure heart @121.54.92.151 : Sta. Romana
I guess you could not find the real heirs of that. I just knew the link of that way back 8o's. Sta. Romana died in hospital and I won't tell the hospital of Pasay in the Phils. He made his last will before he died and kept it by someone else in the safekeeping in bank. Almost everyone of them died. But I know who is the right link of the last will and testament. Who ever holds the passport and death certificate and Birth certificate and the last will of Sto.Romana is the successor of that.

19 Jun 2009 @ 06:13 by To: Unknown Angel with Pure Heart @220.57.164.61 : Mr. S.G. Santa Romana and J.A. Diaz
Yes, it is true that some one left a holographic Last Will but it was not signed as S.G. Sta Romana as the above poster has indciated, it was signed by Jose A. Diaz. Hell, I know about 8 or 9 organizations that have copies of Mr. S.G. Sta Romana birth certificate and his death certificate. I know some Recovery team that has 16 different passports of different names, but all issued to the man known as Mr. S.G. Sta Romana. NO, I do not have a copy of any damn so-called last Will signed by Mr. S.G. Sta Romana, as the man who was in that hospital was there as Jose A. Diaz and as Mr. S.G. Sta Romana, as they are considered to be one and the same. Heirs, what heirs are you talking about?. There were persons named in the Last Will to obtain a specific amount of money, but those persons cannot be called Heirs. Mr. S.G. Sta Romana did not get along with the rest of his so-called family and they turned against him, because they assumed he was dealing the some strange business that their family members were against. There are few or no Heirs, as his assets did not belong to him as you think of someone when they become deceased. DIAZ was the legal name that the assets were coded to as the control, it is DIAZ that controls almost all of the accounts of the person known as Mr. S.G. Sta Romana. There is a escrow for $600,000,000.00 for the holograph Last Will from the man who signed it as Jose A. Diaz so you better PRAY HARDER if you know someone who should collect from that Last Will as the deadline is January 2010. The Roman Catholic Priest that took his confession, said that the man that was to die, was Rev, Fr. Jose A. Diaz, now why the hell would a Priest lie about something like that? Yes, it is true that many of the persons that were named in that holographic Last Will are deceased, but that does not prevent their immediately families from being able to file and prove with their official documents, who they are and what their blood connection was and I am certain that the Trustees would perhaps issue out at least 50% of what was to have been paid to their relative. The Trustees are the Victoria Trading Investment Corporation and also another one I have forgotten and the third one if that Foundation Santa Romana Chruch. If you have a valid claim, I strongly suggest you speed up filing the claims, before that dead line. As after January of next year, the money will be distributed out to charties and such, as the settlement was completed as part of the DIAZ legacy requirements. Regards Todd Alphine
juramentado
lol i've hated those who claim more wealth than they actually have. But then, who will do something for the PHILIPPINES confused.gif

CORNELIO
QUOTE (juramentado @ Jul 13 2009, 09:03 PM) *
lol i've hated those who claim more wealth than they actually have. But then, who will do something for the PHILIPPINES confused.gif

MERON! Madami magtutulungan para MAGNAKAW sa Pilipinas!
Suzuka00
QUOTE (CORNELIO @ Jul 14 2009, 09:37 PM) *
MERON! Madami magtutulungan para MAGNAKAW sa Pilipinas!

That is because we were once divided and weak we were made playthings of sri vijaya and china before spanish and americans came...
trismegistos
Our maharlika nobles may be the ruling family of the Srivisayan empire. And Palembang of Sumatra may be just a dependency of Sanfotsi or Zabag or Srivisaya according to earlier chinese chronicles. And we have trade relationships masked as tributary system with China.
In short, we were not made "playthings" by China and Srivijayan..
Internal conflicts made us fall prior to the Spanish advent. Like the squabbles between the three kings of luzon:lakandula, raja muda o soliman and raja matanda or laya or ache
azaz
Taybenco, regarding your query about the recent incident in Italy involving 2 Japanese if they have links to this matter. It seems, sadly, it has. See posting below:

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18 Jul 2009 @ 04:02 by Ref: Mr. Joseph ES Daraman, Jr. @220.57.164.61 : Printing of Japanese passports/ Mafia
Thanks for posting this article Knight Arcane and it perhaps explains why these Filipinos and their male Dancers are able to go to the USA or Hawaii and then live in Japan as Daraman and his fellow gay partener in crime did do a few months back. I am not yet able to connect Daraman with using a fake Japanese Passport with his picture on it, but eventually we can secure a copy from the Italian side, after they get deeper into their investigation. When Daraman offers his fake gold offers as FCO, to people in other countries like the United States, and He received money in some scam, then this can come to the attention of the FBI. Eventually if they can find any American citizen that was a victim and the persons will issue his written complaint, then the FBI can start their investigation about the Filipino con men. The fact that these guys can obtain what seems to be multi-entry visa to the United States, makes me think that someone is not very concerned about protecting American as they claim. I means this Joseph ES Daraman and some of his people are well known con men, so it is just a matter of time before they can drop a net on Daraman and his people. I am uncertain if Daraman posed as one of those two so-called japanese men that had the $134 billion plus in US treasury bonds or bearer bonds in their suitcase? It seems that the Japanese Government also has to investigate this Joseph Daraman as why does Japan issue visa for this person to enter into Japan? Yes, I know he claims he owna dance team and that some of the dances they perform are what, representing the Philippine Culture but that is a cover they use, to be able to exist out of the Philippines and travel overseas to do their illegal activities. Hong Kong must also put this Joseph Daraman Jr. on their WATCH LIST and JAPAN should also do the same and if the United States ever wakes up, and realizes they issued a 10-year visa to these Filipino conmen, then what was issued, can be terminated, end of that problem, right? I do not think that Daraman was one of the alleged two Japanese with the Bonds at the Italian boarder. However that does not mean that daraman has not purchase one of those fake Japanese passports. I think it was the woman Ninita that told some other woman, that Daraman had a whole lot of BONDs that he was working with a few years back, so maybe Daraman unloaded the Bonds to the Japanese, and or maybe the Japanese unloaded the binds to Daraman Jr.? This is a mushroom, that is kepted the dark and then fed some fertilizer and water and it growns into a mushroom. Hve not heard from the Canadian guy in a really long time, hope some damn Bear di not bite off his fingers to preventing him from using the keyboard?
trismegistos
QUOTE (azaz @ Jul 13 2009, 08:54 PM) *
... It seems that deadline is approaching for claimants. Otherwise, the benefits would be distributed around the world and also maybe to international financial institutions that the Philippines would again ask for loan...

When is the deadline?
azaz
QUOTE (trismegistos @ Jul 18 2009, 11:51 PM) *
When is the deadline?

Deadline is January 2010 to collect based on Santa Romana's (aka Fr. Jose Antonio Diaz) Last Will and Testament. With regards to Daraman, Todd Alphine and Knight Arcane has been trying to pin this person in the last five years. He claims to be a son of ex Pres. Marcos but I think the Marcos family denies this. However, at the same time, SAMCO seems to have wanted a 50-50 deal with Daraman but he refused SAMCO's deal last year, if I remember right. It shows that somehow, Daraman might be holding some legitimate documents or else no one would bother so much to get him. And I think Daraman is also running out of time considering the deadline. In another incident 2005, an American agent in Switzerland exposed more than $900 Billion account linking to Marcos. It made international and local news but silently faded and disregarded.

All of these are happening with indifference and most of the times ridicule from the Philippine government. It is not that it is worth ridiculing, but it is because people in government, and perhaps the Filipino people themselves, know that we, as a nation, are impotent in giving further investigation or assisting claimants, legitimate or partially legitimate, to face international financial institutions, groups like SAMCO and Victoria Trading, and Swiss banks to finally give light and settle this issue. Just last week, the United States, to enhance tax collection, asked the Union Bank of Switzerland to check American accounts. I think the Philippines can also ask UBS to verify gold bullions that points to the Philippines as origin. But, at the moment, the Philippines cannot even confirm from its own Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas the full or partial existence of the 617,500 metric tons of gold that supposedly backed the creation of Central Bank of the Philippines in 1949. So now what we have are bits and pieces of controversial news popping around the world pointing to the Philippines as source. Thus Filipinos are ridiculed as a country of conmen, which might explain why the country is submerged in corruption. But there might still be chance. Forget the deadline but the Philippines should start facing this matter, seek and lay out the truth, and redeem itself.
trismegistos
QUOTE (azaz @ Jul 18 2009, 11:58 PM) *
Deadline is January 2010 to collect based on Santa Romana's (aka Fr. Jose Antonio Diaz) Last Will and Testament. With regards to Daraman, Todd Alphine and Knight Arcane has been trying to pin this person in the last five years. He claims to be a son of ex Pres. Marcos but I think the Marcos family denies this. However, at the same time, SAMCO seems to have wanted a 50-50 deal with Daraman but he refused SAMCO's deal last year, if I remember right. It shows that somehow, Daraman might be holding some legitimate documents or else no one would bother so much to get him. And I think Daraman is also running out of time considering the deadline. In another incident 2005, an American agent in Switzerland exposed more than $900 Billion account linking to Marcos. It made international and local news but silently faded and disregarded.

All of these are happening with indifference and most of the times ridicule from the Philippine government. It is not that it is worth ridiculing, but it is because people in government, and perhaps the Filipino people themselves, know that we, as a nation, are impotent in giving further investigation or assisting claimants, legitimate or partially legitimate, to face international financial institutions, groups like SAMCO and Victoria Trading, and Swiss banks to finally give light and settle this issue. Just last week, the United States, to enhance tax collection, asked the Union Bank of Switzerland to check American accounts. I think the Philippines can also ask UBS to verify gold bullions that points to the Philippines as origin. But, at the moment, the Philippines cannot even confirm from its own Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas the full or partial existence of the 617,500 metric tons of gold that supposedly backed the creation of Central Bank of the Philippines in 1949. So now what we have are bits and pieces of controversial news popping around the world pointing to the Philippines as source. Thus Filipinos are ridiculed as a country of conmen, which might explain why the country is submerged in corruption. But there might still be chance. Forget the deadline but the Philippines should start facing this matter, seek and lay out the truth, and redeem itself.

Inferring from your statement, so it seems Joseph Darraman is the real deal or holds the key. But both Todd Alpine and Knight Arcane are one in demonizing the character of this guy and have praises for Tarciana Rodriguez of the D&P enterprise who have intentions of investing heavily in China instead of the Philippines.
azaz
QUOTE (trismegistos @ Jul 19 2009, 01:19 AM) *
Inferring from your statement, so it seems Joseph Darraman is the real deal or holds the key. But both Todd Alpine and Knight Arcane are one in demonizing the character of this guy and have praises for Tarciana Rodriguez of the D&P enterprise who have intentions of investing heavily in China instead of the Philippines.

Based on the Holographic Last Will, Tarciana Rodriguez is an heir to receive $50 Million and in charge of distribution to other heirs. But it did not mention the name Joseph Daraman as one of the heirs.
Suzuka00
QUOTE (trismegistos @ Jul 16 2009, 12:19 AM) *
Our maharlika nobles may be the ruling family of the Srivisayan empire. And Palembang of Sumatra may be just a dependency of Sanfotsi or Zabag or Srivisaya according to earlier chinese chronicles. And we have trade relationships masked as tributary system with China.
In short, we were not made "playthings" by China and Srivijayan..
Internal conflicts made us fall prior to the Spanish advent. Like the squabbles between the three kings of luzon:lakandula, raja muda o soliman and raja matanda or laya or ache

That maybe possible,I kind of like this attitude of filipinos,tibetans(inc.Bhutanese) and koreans they like to be optimistic as much as possible.
taybenco
QUOTE
Taybenco, regarding your query about the recent incident in Italy involving 2 Japanese if they have links to this matter. It seems, sadly, it has. See posting below:


i couldn't answer here because i had a small mishap commenting on Chinese-Turkish relations and pointing out the unsavory similarities in ultra-nationalisms... embarassedlaugh.gif

back then when the story broke i immediately posted a link to the story implicating J. Daraman and somebody else, but i deleted it thinking it was too conspirational.

azaz
I do not know Mr. Allan Diggle (nor Laurent Issner) below but it seems he (by himself) had gained a headway (and may be benefited) in helping into the recovery of 7000 MT.:

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22 Jul 2009 @ 00:03 by Laurent Issner @193.200.150.125 : 7000MT Certificate
1KG of gold = $30,000
1000KG = $30 Million
7000MT = $210 Billion

So even if Mr Diggle recieves 1% of that total he recieves $2.1 billion. And at 5% $10.5 billion.

Not bad at all. There must be a lot of greedy people out there thinking that they have a $210 billion dollar certificate and expect to recieve a large piece of that amount. Considering the gold/money wasn't theirs to begin with they should be happy with whatever they can get.

If the cut off for collecting a finders fee on these certificates from VICTORIA GROUP is this month there must be a lot of people trying to get their affairs in order as not to left behind with nothing in their pockets.

Knight. What will happen to those certificates not produced to VICTORIA GROUP as legalized after this month? Will VICTORIA take legal action against those people holding those certificates after this month? Can VICTORIA work with the banks to claim the money without providing certificates given the banks are aware of the situation?

I thought Mr Todd would like the dollar values and percentages as he can never find his calculator on his desk. Much like his dog.

Laurent

22 Jul 2009 @ 00:40 by allanb diggle @96.48.107.32 : Allan Diggle
I see I am popular this week. Thanks guys for the words you spoke i appreciate that, i don't want anybody i am trying to sell gold Cd I have done the opposite. The finders is fee is net fee not a on the gross amount but either way it is still good. The recovery team are good people and I have had the pleasure of dealing with them. Thanks again guys

22 Jul 2009 @ 01:47 by Laurent Issner @193.200.150.82 : Mr Allan Diggle

Congratulations Allan.

You are obvioulsly a very wise man.

Unfortunately there is still a lot of greedy people out there.

Live long and prosper Mr Allan.

Laurent
renascimento
so, is there something else still left to recover, with the deadline approaching ? icon_wink.gif

as a reward, i'd be happy to receive a fake or replica bond LOL

PS: i am Mr. T. The mods killed me again embarassedlaugh.gif
trismegistos
QUOTE (renascimento @ Jul 22 2009, 01:28 AM) *
so, is there something else still left to recover, with the deadline approaching ? icon_wink.gif

as a reward, i'd be happy to receive a fake or replica bond LOL

PS: i am Mr. T. The mods killed me again embarassedlaugh.gif

Welcome back, Mr T. ahe he

I'll let azaz answer your question.

But if you want some piece of the action, you can try contact Samco recovery group, D and P E, Ekker, etc. he he.

Namaste
Suzuka00
QUOTE (trismegistos @ Jul 22 2009, 06:56 AM) *
Welcome back, Mr T. ahe he

I'll let azaz answer your question.

But if you want some piece of the action, you can try contact Samco recovery group, D and P E, Ekker, etc. he he.

Namaste

I hope that we get back our lost wealth....
azaz
Fr. Marcelono Tagle estimated this wealth running loose around the world (and I hope also in the Philippines) at $50 Trillion. I think that figure is somewhat acceptable coming from a priest who headed Caritas Manila, adviser of ex Pres. Marcos, a TOYM awardee and devoted so much time about this matter. What Allan Diggle helped recover maybe is connected to ABL (Ang Bagong Lipunan) packages of 3,500 MT each back in the 80's. From the Phoenix joural excerpt below, it seems there were many of those packages. And they are right to say that one package is enough to pay Philippine debt. As to where the other packages are, I hope even just one Filipino find one package and cash it for the Philippines, pay the Philippine debt and make him/her a national hero.

By the way, based on Issner's computation, a 3500 MT package may now be worth $105 Billion. That is more than enough to pay our national debt.
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Well, we “happen” to know that President Ronald
Reagan was working directly with President Ferdinand
Marcos of the Philippines on a program to establish a
worldwide, value-based currency. It was known as the
Ang Bagong Lipunan (ABL) program and involved
using the gold of the Philippines as its backing. Many
ABL packages, consisting of the newly printed
currency, documentation and the physical gold
(average “lot” size of approximately 3,500 metric
tons). Each such package—and I repeat, there were
MANY—was worth close to $70 billion at today’s
gold price. There is some speculation that DUBAI,
which now has something like 25% of all the high-lift
(construction) cranes in the World working within its
borders, might have cashed in ONE such ABL
package; and even ONE such package would be
enough to pay off the entire national debt of the
Philippines—in gold, not paper.
renascimento
even if one were so lucky to find an ABL package, i think there would be extreme practical problems handling it.

One just doesn't walk into the UBS main branch, say Guten Tag, Herr Senn, i would like to have the ABL packet paid out. Certainly, he replies, Mr. T, how would you like you to have your bullion today? biggrin.gif

trismegistos
QUOTE (azaz @ Jul 24 2009, 02:15 AM) *
...And they are right to say that one package is enough to pay Philippine debt. As to where the other packages are, I hope even just one Filipino find one package and cash it for the Philippines, pay the Philippine debt and make him/her a national hero.

By the way, based on Issner's computation, a 3500 MT package may now be worth $105 Billion. That is more than enough to pay our national debt...There is some speculation that DUBAI,
which now has something like 25% of all the high-lift
(construction) cranes in the World working within its
borders, might have cashed in ONE such ABL
package; and even ONE such package would be
enough to pay off the entire national debt of the
Philippines—in gold, not paper.

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2005...0-63_22_int.pdf

TABLE 1
The Philippines Has Paid Its Debts!
(Figures rounded off)
External Debt Debt $ Value of
Debt Service Exchange Service Debt Service
(Millions $) (Millions $) Rate (Pesos) at 1997 Rate
1997 26.4
1998 $46,146 $5,095 38.7 19,7176 $7,469
1999 50,997 6,627 40.3 26,7068 10,116
2000 51,206 6,072 50.0 30,3600 11,500
2001 51,900 6,564 51.4 33,7389 12,780
2002 53,645 7,445 53.1 39,5329 14,975
2003 57,395 7,967 55.6 44,2965 16,779
2004 54,846 7,221 56.4 40,7265 15,427
Totals $46,991 $89,046
Using the devalued peso values: $46 billion owed minus $47 billion paid = $55 billion still owed
Using the 1997 exchange rate value: $46 billion owed minus $89 billion paid = $55 billion still owed
Source: Central Bank of the Philippines.

The Debt Crisis
Table 1 shows how “Bankers’ Arithme-
tic” has looted the Philippines, especially
since the so-called “Asian currency crisis” of
1997-98, when global speculators under-
mined the currency values of nations across
Asia. Since that time, there have been essen-
tially zero Western fifinancial flflows into the
Philippines, except to refinance debt, at ever
higher interest rates. Thus, as shown, the Phil-
ippines owed $46 billion in 1998, paid almost
$49 billion in debt service between 1998 and
2004, and yet, despite no net real foreign in-
vestment, ended up owing nearly $55 billion.
That is, $46−$47=$55; that’s Bankers’ Arith-
metic!
On top of that, the debt itself has essen-
tially doubled, in terms of the national cur-
rency, because of the devaluation of the peso
bymore than half, from26.4 pesos to the dollar
in 1997, to 56.4 in 2004 (the peso was 4 to the
dollar in 1971!). In otherwords, the $46 billion
in external debt owed in 1998 cost twice as
much to repay today, in terms of the local
currency, the peso, because the currency
was reduced in value by half against the
dollar. The peso valuation of that debt ser-
vice is a more accurate measure of the ac-
tual labor power and national product
which must be expended by the Philippine
economy to meet that debt service.
Thus, if we take into consideration the
impact of this speculative, forced devalua-
tion of the peso, and calculate the peso
equivalent of each year’s debt service pay-
ments in dollars, and then translate that
peso value back into dollars at the 1997
exchange rate, we get a true measure of
how much was extracted from the Philip-
pine economy to pay the debt service. As
shown in Table 1, the actual worth of the
debt payments between 1998 and 2004 were about $89 billion, nearly twice the amount that the nation
was given credit for. This makes the Bankers’ Arithmetic
even more absurd: $46−$89=$55.
Despite various accounting schemes aimed at hiding the
fact, it is estimated by several sources that two-thirds ormore
of the nation’s national revenue is being eaten up by debt
service. A group opposing Arroyo led by three bishops, re-
ported in May that 88% of tax revenues in 2003 went to debt
service. With a sovereign credit rating at “junk” status, that
is, below investment grade, the government must borrow at
exorbitant rates on the international markets, further aggra-
vating the crisis. At least $4 billion in new borrowing is
planned for this year, all for debt service.
---end of quote---

Hope they will stop what Larouche termed as "genocidal policies" of IMF on third world countries like the Philippines and stop imposing slave economy blueprint for the Philippines. From 2nd only to Japan, RP has fallen and now ready to be flushed down the drain. Their policies created a diaspora of Filipinos, as many OFWS were raped, maltreated, unjustly paid etc. On the localfront, Filipinos need to work two or more jobs in order to survive and be paid "slave labor wages". Many are dying because of hunger and for not given free medical treatments in Public Hospitals(unlike during the time of Marcos) which are even in danger of being privatized or have already been privatized. Many MNC's continue to plunder our natural resources like in mining and in Natural Gas. Our territories have been diminished by the Baseline bill and diminished even more with their support of separatist movements in the south. Our flagship national industries like steel is/are dead after being privatized. Electricity prices and cost of medicine are spiralling.

quoting from... http://larouchepub.com/other/2007/3449lar_fdr_seasia.html :
The physical and social dissolution of the Philippines is palpable to any visitor. Nearly every young person has some personal horror story which has afflicted his or her life in the past few years. Graduates with degrees in economics or engineering at leading universities are forced to take jobs at colonial "call centers," servicing consumers in the United States on a midnight shift, as their talents are wasted, despite the desperate needs of the nation. Their fathers are being sent to the Mideast or elsewhere as "overseas workers" in order to earn foreign exchange with which to pay the (illegitimate) foreign debt, leaving broken families behind. One youth's father was misdiagnosed at the public hospital for over a year—only to discover too late that he had a brain tumor—because he could not afford to see one of the few doctors on call. Thousands of doctors and nurses have been sent out of the country by the Overseas Filipino Workers program, leaving the hospitals understaffed, or even forced to close. Barefoot children line every traffic stop, pleading for a peso for food, when they belong in school.

One week before the Billington trip, a story flashed across the national press about an 11-year-old who hung herself, leaving a diary explaining that her parents could no longer afford to feed her and her siblings, so she decided to help her siblings by committing suicide. Virtually the same day, Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo announced that the nation's economic ills have been largely solved, because the debt was being paid on time, through regressive taxes and the export of their people as virtual commodities.
---end of quote---
renascimento
somehow i'm starting to think that the debt is not meant to be repaid. the freaks at the WB / IMF just like reaping the interest...

and come to think of it the first historical document of the Philippines is about DEBT FORGIVENESS, written there on the Laguna Copperplate.

so, what to do with the ABLs ? Ask them to wire the gold / money to the debt holders and repay it ? or start buying up the Filipino bonds, invest in the local stockmarket? the money has to get to the Philippines in someway, and the Powers that Be will prevent it all cost.

Maybe one should go into the offensive. Reading Ekkers ideas, the best bet would be just creating your own currency system, an ASEAN currency system.

The "kati" and "suwarna" were the weight unit mentioned in the inscription, but coming back the ABL, maybe a "Gold Marcos" could also do. icon_wink.gif

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