....come on....

differs slightly from the Seagraves story:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopol..._part%203.2.htm

lol ex Fr. Tagle ( i think thats "ex-" , since he has a family, but you never know in the Philippines... ) even is on facebook.

@azaz:
I have to agree that 650,000 metric tons is an outlandish estimation. Seems to be a manipulation by the you know who to plunder our wealth. Just like various stories are being concocted just like the Yama$hita Hoax, and the Templar treasures getting into Mu. More on this later...

A long time ago, a clairvoyant treasure hunter turned healer disclosed as a sidenote on how he and his wife got their healing powers that Marcos got hold only a small miniscule fraction of the gold of our ancestors where the rest are still guarded by the spiritual hierarchy intended for the Filipinos and the people of the world but the Marcos gold is big enough to possibly cause a Financial Gog and Magog in the wrong hands.


Do you happen to know the whereabouts of ex Fr. Tagle?

Give my regards to Taolander, Renascimento, Taybenco, etc.

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I am not sure if somebody already posted this... http://www.france24.com/en/node/4912544 or http://www.chinamining.org/News/2009-10-29...8494d30386.html and http://thegovmonitor.com/world_news/asia/c...ines-10567.html

i just googled the name and that facebook account came up first, so anybody could just write a pm to him and ask "hey dude (sounds very disrespectful), where's the 600+ kilotons of gold ?"

thanks for the greetings, trismegistos.

that reminds me, are you referring to Judge Floro as the "healer" ?

the gog and magog were imprisoned by Skander Mudah and unleashed in the 13th century, destroying Baghdad. some might say the Turks & Russians would be closest to them now. In english & french legends, GogMagog was also the name of the giant that Brutus, the first British king, wrestled with & defeated in order to found the first Celtic kingdom.

Interesting.
Those medieval romances, the search for the Holy Grail, Eldorado, the Fountain of youth, the Knights of Round Table, Merlin the Magician, Avalon, Tarshish, Ophir, etc are the kind of stuff that fires my imagination.

The healers are a couple. I wish I know their present whereabouts as there are many questions that I would like to ask like why the walls of their house are full of images of Comte St. Germaine, where is the cave or where did they throw their talismans (anting-anting) .

I also wish that Ex Priest Marcelino Tagle come out again. He proposed, below, a seven point solution on this matter:

Seven-point solution (of ex-Priest Marcelino Tagle)

Tagle said among the first things government should do to recover the wealth is to abolish the Presidential
Commission on Good Government which has spent ''millions of dollars'' but has ''failed to produce the
desirable results in bringing back the gold assets for the benefit of the Filipino people.''

Tagle proposed a ''seven-point solution'' to the problem of recovering the Marcos wealth: Create a Global
Trust Fund to ''secure, recover and distribute the assets of Marcos in an out-of-court settlement.'' Have
''banking groups lend money to the Trust using the gold certificates and physical assets deposited in the
lending banks, for a period of 15-20 years.''

The proceeds should be used to ''pay the Philippine debt'' and to fund ''education, social services, medical
needs, and generate jobs by building new plants, roads, transport facilities, communication, irrigation, energy
development, etc.'' Probate courts ''should assist in determining the rightful heirs and beneficiaries (of the
wealth) and effect compromise agreements with primary and secondary beneficiaries.''

Government and all beneficiaries should ''agree on their respective'' shares.

''Adequate compensation should be given to human rights victims.'' ''Put a major portion of the funds into the
development of Mindanao and other depressed areas of the Philippines by creating new centers of industrial
development and free trading zones.''

''Establish an Asia-Pacific gold trading house in Subic backed up by a gold refinery, jointly operated by the
Central Bank and private gold hallmark companies.'' ''Call a general and sectoral conference on the Marcos
gold. World banking officials and lawyers involved in recovering the wealth must be invited.''
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Going for the Gold

A new permanent exhibit offers tantalizing hints to the Philippines' precolonial history.




The Philippines has long been regarded as an interesting sideshow in Southeast Asia. A former colony of Spain, then the United States, it seems to have more in common with Latin America than with its Asian neighbors. There are few existing written records of its precolonial history and culture. It has no temples like Indonesia's Borobodur or Cambodia's Angkor Wat to indicate what civilizations existed on the 7,107 islands before their Western conquest. Artifacts on display at the National Museum and at the Central Bank Museum in Manila offer clues as to the islands' original inhabitants, but the available scholarship leaves too many questions unanswered. More than a century after the Philippines became an independent republic, the debate over the Filipino identity continues.

A new permanent exhibition at the privately owned Ayala Museum in the financial capital, Makati City, only heightens the mystery. "Gold of Ancestors" features 1,059 precious objects that are believed to date back as far as the 10th century. Most were acquired by a private collector, and have never been seen in public. Among the pieces on display are cutwork diadems, funerary masks, ornaments and ritual containers. Their quality and scope suggest that ancient Filipinos had closer links to their Southeast Asian neighbors than is currently supposed. There is a gold vessel in the shape of a creature that is half-bird, half-woman: the "kimnari" of Hindu mythology. A plaque depicts a female figure in an elaborate headdress with a tree-of-life motif, her hands raised as if in worship. The centerpiece of the exhibition is an intricately crafted gold halter, weighing almost four kilograms, that is believed to be the Upavita, or Sacred Thread, of the sort worn by the elite Brahmin class in traditional Hindu society.

Hindu influences can be seen all over Southeast Asia, but the exhibit raises the burning question: who made these objects? Were they created by the inhabitants of the islands now known as the Philippines, or were they brought in by foreign traders? "The answer is, 'We don't know'," says Florina H. Capistrano-Baker, curator in charge of the exhibition. "One of the reasons the collection is so important is that it provides a large body of works for comparative study with similar objects from Southeast Asia, such as those found in Oc-Eo in Vietnam and the Wonoboyo hoard in Indonesia. We assume that they are locally made until proven otherwise."

To be sure, gold is abundant in the Philippines. When Spanish conquistadors first arrived in the islands, they noted that the natives were bedecked in gold ornaments from head to foot. According to colonial accounts, the Filipinos were so knowledgeable about gold that even children could accurately determine the purity of gold alloys. There was also a sophisticated vocabulary for gold and indigenous goldsmithing techniques, as recorded in the 16th-century Tagalog-language dictionary collated by Pedro de San Buenaventura. Another argument for local manufacture centers on a pair of gold "lingling-o," omega-shaped ornaments, featured in the exhibit. These ornaments, found in many Southeast Asian cultures, were long believed to have been manufactured in Vietnam. But the recent discovery by the archeologist Peter Bellwood of a lingling-o workshop with tools and fragments in the northern Philippine province of Batanes indicates that such ornaments were manufactured there some 2,500 years ago.

Still, the artifacts on display reveal plenty of other influences. Capistrano-Baker surmises that whoever made them was exposed to Hindu beliefs. Furthermore, "We can assume that there was social stratification, with sufficient food supply and surplus resources to support craft specialization," she says. "The patrons appear to have enjoyed great power and access to resources."

Where have the objects been hiding all these years? They were collected by the family of the late National Artist and architect Leandro Locsin, which for decades has funded archeological expeditions and research into the islands' past. Reluctant to flaunt gold in a country where most of the population lives in poverty, the Locsins have been sitting on the collection for 25 years, waiting for the right conditions to publicly exhibit it. They finally got the chance when the Zobel de Ayala family inaugurated the new Ayala Museum in 2004, providing an appropriate facility to house the collection. "This exhibition is not about present-day personalities and egos," says a representative of the Locsin family. "It's about our national patrimony and what it can tell us about who we are as Filipinos. The primary concern is its enlightened stewardship: ensuring that this knowledge develops in our people's consciousness in a manner that is sustainable, secure and relatively free from possible manipulation."

Scholars have long considered Filipino culture marginal in comparison with the better-known Funan, Angkor, Srivijaya and Madjapahit cultures of Southeast Asia. The "Gold of Ancestors" exhibit suggests that the islands may have played a larger role in regional affairs than previously thought. John Miksic of the National University of Singapore, an authority on Southeast Asian prehistory, has said that this collection represents the single most valuable tangible heritage of the Philippines. It may shine a light on the continuing discussion of Philippine cultural identity. To paraphrase that famous fictitious archeologist Indiana Jones, it belongs in a museum.

How the Philippines Can Save the World!


Disappointed and discouraged are the only ways to describe my reaction to those Filipinos who continue to bash the Philippines.

The release of the nation’s 2008 economic numbers (ahead of the time I thought they would be) could have been a moment of just a little amount of Filipino pride. When you look at countries like Spain, Singapore, Japan and others that saw their economies shrink in 2008, the Philippines did not do badly, all things considered. Instead, we got comments like this: “The supposed growth in the economy in recent years should be taken with a grain of salt.”

The millions of Filipino individuals and Filipino-owned businesses who made that 4.6-percent gross domestic product (GDP) growth happen clearly showed that, not only “The Filipino Can” but “The Filipino Did.” To every Filipino worker and every Filipino business owner who worked harder and never gave up—unlike that man in Los Angeles who recently killed himself, his wife and his four children after losing his job—stand tall and be proud.

We survived and even prospered a little through times of P50-a-kilo rice and P60-a-liter gasoline. Perhaps having the words “Economist” and “UP” on your resume means that you make so much money, anything less than a new Mercedes every year means the country is in a recession.


As another example of how clueless economists can be about the Philippines, Simon Wong, an economist at Standard Chartered Bank said, “I think most of the growth came from government spending.” While another “expert” Nicholas Bibby, an economist at Barclays Capital was quoted, “My suspicion is the upside surprise probably came from private consumption [spending].”
Keep doing your analysis gentlemen. Even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day.

I can remember when the foreign press used to describe the Philippines as “a basket case,” and “the sick man of Asia,” not with comments like “Overall, the Philippines will be better insulated from the collapse of external demand compared with other Asian economies.”

Why is there so little pride in the positive economic developments and accomplishments that the Philippines has made since the Edsa revolution? I believe it is the result of the pervasive “colonial mentality” after Edsa. The nation had come out of a black and stagnant economic prison. The Philippines sat at the feet of Western experts, like children looking for answers.


We embraced with enthusiasm most of their advice. We were told to “globalize” and we did. And then we saw our export products barred entry to other “free” markets. Our agricultural products were deemed unfit for Australia and Japan. Yet Mexico shipped their mangoes to the US, stealing Filipino heritage by calling them “Manila Mangoes” because no one would buy “Mexican Mangoes.”

Treated like the black sheep of the world economy, the Philippines was told and even warned that the only road to prosperity was to rely on exports for economic growth. Yet today, large and small economies that believed that theory are suffering the most during this global economic contraction.

Overseas Filipinos were scorned and insulted for being just domestic helpers. Now the world’s shipping industry would stop and the West’s hospitals would close if not for Filipino workers. Not too long ago, a Filipina in Japan was obviously a prostitute. Now Japan begs for our nurses and caregivers, needing 500,000 by 2016.

Seven years ago, most Western companies laughed at the idea of outsourcing to the Philippines. Now, the Philippines and India, with a population 10 times as large, controls 50 percent of the world’s outsourcing business. And our growth rate is double that of India’s.

The Philippines always hits high on the list of “corrupt countries” and the local press seems to delight in that fact, never saying that perhaps that sort of evaluation might be exaggerated in this sense: name a single major Filipino company, public or private, that ever put a nonexistent billion dollars on its balance sheet as India’s Satyam Computer was recently discovered doing. Where is the example of a Filipino Enron, Lehman Brothers or AIG?

Filipino banks were once heavily criticized for being much too small and undercapitalized. Again, where are the Philippine bank failures, except for a few, possibly crooked, rural banks that probably should have been closed years ago. Further, by the most important gauge of a bank’s financial strength, Filipino banks are twice as strong as most of those in the West. A bank’s capital adequacy ratio (CAR) measures the amount of total assets against risky assets, such as bad loans. The Filipino banks’ CAR usually runs twice as high as what is required by international standards. Thus, there are no Washington Mutual or IndyMac Bank type failures in the Philippines.

At the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, President Arroyo, as she does from time to time, gave a brilliant speech to an international audience. I saw her do it once at an Asian Development Bank forum, impressing global business and political leaders.

In Davos, she politely reminded the West that for the last 10 years, they pursued polices that drove their economies into a black hole. Countries like the Philippines used that time to build themselves up. The President called for the West to included countries like the Philippines in all further global economic discussions so the West might learn some “helpful new ideas.”
I agree and using our strong points, of which you should be proud, might just help save the global economy.



http://desertaquaforce.blogspot.com/2009/0...save-world.html

The Elitista and the colonizers, created lies on our history and encouraged tribalism(I sometimes call tribalism as REDUCCIONES Mentality) not just that they continued the lies that the spanish told us the original name of the people or region we now as tagalog is the KUMINTANG of batangas.

Philippine Languages/Idioms or the languages/Idiom in the Philippine language group have a continuum to each other that is the truth we should stop trying to distance them from each other, We should allow them to evolve at their natural phase, what the spanish colonial reducciones, encouraged migration did was to destroy the continuum, languages in a continuum do merge when population increase and create a leveling resulting to fewer languages this happened in chinese(especially in mandarin area) and japanese, that could have happened in the philippines if the spanish did not conquer us and that will possibly create a new linguafranca like Mandarin that might possibly spread through out the country, that is the truth.

http://business.inquirer.net/money/topstor...of-Surigao-mine

PHILEX Mining Corp., the country's largest mining firm, recently unveiled the initial mineral resource estimates for its Bayugo project, showing good prospects for its gold and copper mining site in Surigao del Norte.

In a disclosure to the Philippine Stock Exchange, the company said that external consultants and in-house geologists have made an initial estimate of 85.7 million dry metric tons (dmt) of indicated resource with 0.88 percent copper per ton and 0.73 grams of gold per ton.

The experts also estimated 32.7 million dmt of inferred resource with 0.75 percent copper per ton and 0.63 grams of gold per ton.

Boyongan and Bayugo are within the Silangan property in Tubod, Surigao del Norte. Philex has a 50 percent interest in the property, which it acquired from mining firm, Anglo American.

The other 50 percent is held by Philex Gold Inc. (PGI), a Canadian-listed company that is in turn 81-percent owned by the Philex parent firm.

Philex and PGI are conducting more drillings in the Bayugo area to further define the resource and complete the pre-feasibility study, Philex president Jose Ernesto C. Villaluna Jr. said in a disclosure to the Philippine Stock Exchange.

The Bayugo deposit is now comparable to the Boyongan deposit, which was previously announced at 104 million dmt of measured resource (with 0.80 copper grade and 0.99 grams gold per dmt) and 19.8 million dmt (0.79 copper grade and 0.70 grams gold per dmt) of inferred resource.

The exploration program at the Bayugo project is ongoing, and at the time of this mineral resource estimate, a number of “excellent” drill results have been received, which are not yet included in the estimate above, said PGI president Rogelio G. Laraya in a separate statement.

“Once the exploration program has been completed, the complete drill hole database will be used to make an estimate for an updated resource model,” Laraya said.

The positive development on Philex’s new prospect is expected to further improve the performance of its shares on the local bourse.

Philex’s share price has skyrocketed in recent weeks on the back of persistent rumors of a bidding war for control of the mining firm between the groups of businessman Manuel Pangilinan who runs Hongkong-based First Pacific Co. Ltd. and San miguel Corp. president and COO Ramon Ang.

Philex’s share price hit a high of P20 in recent weeks due to this rumor.

On the PSE Friday, Philex shares closed lower at P18 pershare, declining by 6.5 percent along with the broad decline in stock prices, with a total of P267 million changing hands. Riza T. Olchondra

"70 billion @ todays gold price" LOL written 2007 / 2008, so now it's maybe 140 ???

Ah, but one had always expected those sheiks to be conservative & prudent investors. more prudent then the people around them or giving them loans

As qouted above, Marcos issued ABL or Ang Bagong Lipunan which is backup by gold.

Now that we are having a floating type currency? where did the gold go ( the gold that backup our ABL currency)?? It is the same gold that comprises our reserved? How much MTs of gold did the ABL or Ang bagong Lipunan equivalent to? ^^

The Dubai miracle was said to be powered by our ancestor's gold masked as Yama$hita treasure or Marcos gold. I believe it will be returned in the very near future to the rightful owners.

But Dubai has already debt problem as posted above.


repeat ko lang question ko....

I have created a thread about the Gold of Ancestors in here...
http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...217224&st=0

An interesting ramification presented below if one will reflect the status of the owner of the Sacred Thread...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYtBVHrCK5w

... is the owner a Sovereign of such a High Status, which will intimidate various rulers of other kingdoms in Southeast Asia if they would be standing side by side by each other. A ruler wearing a golden Sash would intimade or humiliate any Majapahit and Srivijayan royalties from neighboring kingdoms. Imagine a Golden Rajah with his Gold warriours would surely outclass any royals and warriors. Is the owner of that Golden Sacred thread a Srivijayan?

The maritime thalossocracy or alliance of rajanates called by the early Chinese as Sanfotsi and by the early Arabs as Zabag which Coedes collectively called Srivijayas stemming from a Kedukan bukit inscription found near Palembang was said to have a powerful competitor in the south called Wakwak by the early Arabs or Toupo by the early chinese. Is the Butuan-Toubok(Cotobato)area fits the bill for the powerful competitior of Sanfotsi-Zabag? The Tausugs of the Sulu Sultanate were said to be originally Bisayan migrants from Butuan.

Accdg to Knight Arcane...

From above it is said that the bulk of the 600,000 metric tons of gold belonged to the Sultanate of Sulu. How come a small land area could have produced an astronical amount of gold? It has become a mystery to me either there was an intention of twisting of the facts until it was revealed to me from some legend or historical accounts that the Tausugs of Sulu were originally Bisayan migrants from the GOLD rich area of Butuan where the Surigao treasures where found. see the link

Logic says that western colonizers came here for GOLD, AND NOT TO BURY THEIR GOLD HERE which is the wrong assumption of various concocted stories like the Knights of Templars burried their treasures in Mu or the Philippines or the plundered treasures from european royals by the Nazis blindly entrusted them to the Japanese for safekeeping and then to be burried in the Philippines as well as the story above of the Vatican treasury getting its way into the underground tunnels of Intramuros seems preposterous. The Spaniard came here not to bury their gold but to plunder. The missions of King Solomon of Israel to Ophir is not to burry their gold in Ophir but to trade for gold. Ophir was speculated as the Philippines even in the journals of Pigaffeta, Magellan was said to navigate to a course going to Ophir or cattigara which leads him to the Philippines.

It seems that the Gold story is corrupted and many version are coming out.

But as we know, we are now living in the Age of Revelation that many hidden or secrets are slowly revealed and as it happens we uncover the whole truth about our past history. We are expecting that more evidences/relics will be uncovered in the coming years as a clue of our past.

Gold sparkles in 'perfect storm' for precious metal

One person who can still shed light on this matter is the Former First Lady Imelda Romualdez Marcos. A text message sent to me by a well known personality whom I think Trismegistos also know says:

"Imelda Marcos told me personally about that gold and how huge is it. Even showed me documents. Even Swedish psychic Olof Jonsson told me same thing personally"

So, Madame First Lady Imelda Marcos, please tell us more.
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I want to take this opportunity mention that my father, Nicholas A. Achas, passed away last Nov. 27, 2009. I remember an episode in our life, he was in government service and had the power to release trucks of rice from Central Luzon during the rice crisis in early seventies, people were bringing paper bags of money for his approval but only met rejection though we were financially down as my mother was sick (and died in 1978). He died unremembered by most friends, without recognitions, but he will always wear the medals of respect and love from me.

He was a noble person just like you. We offer our sincere condolence.

My condolences, azaz.

hm, those astronomical 600,000 could also be referring to the unrefined ore, right

btw last night a show german tv was making a kind of advertisment (!) for Dubai, specifically for the Sheik / prime ministers book of poetry LOL i don't expect him to recoup the losses by selling it, because the vultures have swept (abu Dhabi & London banks) in to reap in their share.

a look to our neighbour:

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/worl...-time-high.html



China, the world’s largest gold producer, may have record demand and output this year as jewelry consumption soars and miners expand production after prices reached all-time highs, according to the China Gold Association.

The country’s gold demand may be more than 450 metric tons this year, up from 395.6 tons in 2008, and output may climb to 310 tons, compared with 282 tons a year earlier, Zhang Yongtao, deputy secretary-general of the association, said at a conference in Kunming. Annualized growth in China’s gold production was 9.5 percent in the past eight years, he said.

China overtook South Africa to become the world’s largest producer in 2007 and the World Gold Council said in July that the nation may pass India as the biggest consumer. Bullion touched a record of $1,195.13 an ounce November 26 as a weaker dollar drove demand for precious metals as an alternative asset.

“The inflation concern this year has boosted the Chinese consumer demand for things like property, autos and gold,” Zhou Shijian, professor at Tsinghua University, said today from Kunming, capital of the southern Yunnan province.

Bullion, up 34 percent this year, is set for a ninth annual gain as central banks, pension funds and individual buyers seek to protect their assets from potential currency debasement and inflation. Gold may climb to $1,500 an ounce as the dollar falls amid low interest rates, Kenneth Tropin, chairman of Graham Capital Management, told Barron’s in its November 30 issue.

Jewelry sales in China will climb at a “double-digit’’ pace this year as record household savings fuel demand for investment products and wedding gifts, Hong Kong Resources Holdings Ltd. Chairman Kennedy Wong said on October 23. Middle-class buyers in China, who have only just started to buy gold as an investment product, drove a 16 percent gain in gold and silver jewelry sales in the first nine months, said Wong, whose company has 219 jewelry stores in mainland China.

Gold for immediate delivery declined 0.9 percent to $1,177.63 an ounce on November 27 as commodities slumped the most this month after Dubai sought to defer some debt payments, rattling investors and spurring a dollar rally. Bullion found support from International Monetary Fund (IMF) sales to central banks.

Sri Lanka bought 10 metric tons from the IMF for about $375 million, the IMF said, following India and Mauritius. China is “quite a likely” buyer in coming weeks, Ben Westmore, an analyst with National Australia Bank, has said.

“Record prices boosted profitability of Chinese miners, giving them incentive to expand production,” the gold association’s Zhang said in a speech. Shares of Chinese miners have jumped this year with Zijin Mining Group Co., the nation’s largest gold producer, more than doubling, outpacing a 70-percent gain in the benchmark Shanghai Composite Index. Bloomberg

sir condolence. your father deserves a respect for his integrity for he didn't betray the peoples trust.

It seems that 2010 is the last date for claiming the Marcos Gold... Any update on this?

Will wait for Azaz for any update.

Thank you Higaynon, Matigasngulo, others, Trismegistos, as you are, and others here, I believe that nobility is indigenous to many Filipinos. I have been a witness to their silent suffering. Those who want to have a better country. But it needs the Divine to hold on. Again, thank you.

According to what I read from the Ming forum, deadline is January 2010 for claiming anything related to the Diaz Last Will under the control of the DNP Enterprises. I hope Leyte will make it. I have suggested that Mr. Todd Alphine be the paymaster for Leyte and the Trustees have the moral obligation to conduct the project studies for Leyte. They have a claimant, that is, Ms. Olympia Jolls with a Mayor & Barangay official from Leyte. But everything will depend on the Trustees' decision. I do not know who they are. As for the bulk of Santa Romana/Marcos wealth, I don't think everything is under the control of DNP Enterprises. Some sources say that most are still here buried in the Philippines. If that is so, then that is one other reason I think why Sir Todd cannot leave Ming's forum. Everyone who has influence over those bunkers should consolidate their interest soonest possible. Events, natural or designed, might overrun it in the very near future. Continue to share your mind. This is one of the very few channels in the world where you, your mind as a Filipino, can be read on this matter.

Gold broke through US$1,200 per ounce last week on rumors that the People's Bank of China might increase the percentage of gold in its reserves. The dollar, the euro, sterling and the yen all have good reasons to weaken, yet in our current global fiat money system, they have nothing to weaken against.

Global foreign exchange reserves are at record highs, but there is nothing solid for central banks to buy. This all raises the interesting question: are we seeing the beginning of the end of the fiat money floating exchange rate system that has prevailed since 1973? And could something closer to a gold standard replace it?

At the extreme, it is very unlikely that in the near future we will go back to a full gold standard. We're unlikely in five years time to be




wandering round with gold sovereigns or double eagles clanking in our pockets. Pity. However, it's quite possible for us to move some considerable distance towards a gold standard without actually getting to the final destination, and there are increasing signs that the world is heading in that direction.

The explosion in global liquidity in the past decade has had an effect on global central bank reserves, which increased 414% between 1998 and the second quarter of 2009 to $6.8 trillion, an annual rate of increase of 14.5%. This is more than three times the rate of increase of nominal gross world product (GWP) of 4.6%. Put another way, central bank reserves increased from 4.2% of GWP to 11.1% during the 10 years 1998-2008.

The world therefore has been flooded with liquidity; former Federal Reserve Alan Greenspan, his successor, Ben Bernanke, and to a lesser extent their counterparts in the European Central Bank, the Bank of England, the Bank of Japan and the People's Bank of China, have a lot to answer for. Effectively, they have by their own actions flooded the globe with paper money and made ordinary currency and short-term securities increasingly undesirable assets. It is thus not surprising that private-sector investors and even central banks themselves are looking for something better. India's purchase in October of 200 tonnes of International Monetary Fund (IMF) gold, at a then value of $6.7 billion, was not a fluke.

The central bank search for an alternative to paper money holdings naturally leads them in the direction of gold. Gold has very few uses, so theoretically could lose its value almost completely if the world's markets decided that holding gold was no more sensible than collecting old tram tickets. However, in practice, even in the disinflationary and economically ebullient 1980s and 1990s, the gold price dropped only to around $250 an ounce, a price equivalent to its extraction cost from the most efficient gold mining operations. (That cost is now around $400 per ounce.) After all, if investors had decided the stuff was of no interest, there's 50 years supply of it just lying around, so there would have been no need to produce any more, and no floor from mining costs on the gold price. In that case, gold would probably have dropped to around the $50 per ounce at which it becomes a plausible substitute for other metals in industrial uses.

So the world has bench-tested the Keynesian theory that gold is a barbarous relic and found it wanting. Even in the 1990s, a time of peace and apparent disinflationary prosperity, investors - including central banks - wanted to keep a certain portion of their reserves in gold. Ideologically driven decisions, such as then UK Chancellor of the Exchequer Gordon Brown's sale of half Britain's gold reserves in 1999-2002, quickly came back to haunt the fanatic, as inflation-free prosperity dissolved and the normal world of economic toil and monetary sloppiness returned.

There are three ways in which the world could move towards a gold standard without actually getting there. First, the world's central banks, particularly the ones like China and Japan with the biggest reserve pools, could increase the percentage of their reserves kept in gold. According to IMF data, that percentage declined from 13.9% to 9.8% during the great increase in central bank reserves from 1998 to 2008 even though the gold price more than trebled during that period.

A return to even the modest 1998 percentage of gold reserves would result in gold purchases of $324 billion, surely enough to shift the gold market a fair whack. A return to a still modest ratio of gold holdings of 20% of reserves, which prevailed as recently as 1994, would result in central bank gold purchases of $867 billion, about eight years' mine supply at current prices, and more than 15% of all the gold now in existence.

Second, the world's monetary authorities could start targeting the gold price as part of their monetary management, aiming to keep it within a certain range, thereby preventing excessive monetary expansion and dampening excessive exchange rate fluctuations. A "hard money" Federal Reserve chairman, for example, worried about the value of the dollar, could seek to keep the gold price between $900 and $1,000. He would sell gold from Fort Knox when, as now, the price was above that range, but would maintain a stated commitment to buying gold if and when the dollar had strengthened sufficiently that the price fell below $900.

Such a policy would have the advantage that it would not result directly in manipulating the value of other currencies through central bank purchases or sales, thus minimizing the chances of protectionist retaliation. That's an especially valuable advantage when, as at present, the world is in a difficult and lengthy recession. Of course, as the United States sold gold from Fort Knox, the dollar might still decline against other currencies even as it rose against gold.

Finally, the world's politicians could decide that unlimited money creation was a thoroughly bad thing, and impose restrictions upon their monetary authorities, attempting to move monetary creation to the kind of automatic, limited mechanism that a gold standard naturally imposes. As the United States moves into its 16th year of Greenspan/Bernanke sloppiness since the monetary relaxation began in February 1995, we hard-money types have come to think nostalgically, not of the gold standard period, which almost nobody now remembers, but of the period of monetary stringency, sound economy and inflation reduction under Fed chairman Paul Volcker and president Ronald Reagan, in the early 1980s.

Since even Volcker (now aged 82) will not live forever, it is necessary to Volckerize the Fed by some artificial statutory means, so whatever expansionary Princeton economics professor a deluded president may appoint to chair the institution, it is forced to follow a sound monetary policy. The best form of such a restriction would be to mandate that the Fed must keep the two-year average of the rates of growth of the M2, MZM and M3 monetary aggregates between 2% and 4% annually.

The average of several aggregates would be used to minimize the distortions from one aggregate or another wandering off in a funny direction through technological change. (For example MZM - the total amount of money available in an economy - increased exceptionally slowly compared to other aggregates during the 1970sm and M2, the narrower aggregate Greenspan occasionally glanced at, rose exceptionally slowly compared to other broad aggregates in 1995-2006.) That would prevent inflation from taking hold, while being sufficiently flexible to allow for technology-driven fluctuations in price levels and sufficiently expansionary to permit normal economic growth without deflation.

Such a program would mimic the gold standard, in which the increase in money supply depended on the rate of discovery of new gold, which fluctuated only slowly except with major gold discoveries such as California in 1849 and the Yukon in 1896-97. However, since the world's gold supply increases by less than 2% annually, an official gold standard may be thought somewhat deflationary - as well as giving apoplexy to the unfortunately numerous Keynesian economists who infest academia, officialdom and the media. A "Volcker Standard", if sufficiently constitutionally embedded that short-termist politicians could not override it, would give the same advantages as a gold standard, without the dangers of deflation or Keynesian heart failure.

In three ways therefore, official gold purchases, gold price currency targeting, and a quasi-gold Volcker Standard, we are likely to approach a gold standard ever closer in the years to come. Inflationists and official opinion will sneer at the possibility. However the markets are already making it inevitable, fueled as they are by the excessive global money creation of the last 15 years, and the money supply explosion since September 2008.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/KL09Dj01.html

They are speculating that China will lead the gold backup currency.

Well our ABL is still existing? Can we used that same gold again?

Or that gold that used to back up our ABL or " Ang Bagong Lipunan" currency is already gone?

DNP Enterprises or the Diaz umbrella has blocked the redemption of all ABLs around the globe. Only Diaz or SGSR (Severino Garcia Santa Romana) certificates are honored, not exactly for redemption of its full value but for the recovery of those lost certificates. The Diaz umbrella is offering some finders fee for the SGSRs like what Mr. Allan Diggle of Vancouver BC seemed to have achieved. He got the SGSR CD (certificate of deposit) in China which was sold to a Chinese by an unnamed colonel close to Ex-Pres. Marcos.

Below was a message from Mr. Todd Alphine two years ago:

You were discouraged before when none of your media did anything about the tales of Santa Romana or yama$hita gold but what you have failed to realize is that your media is tight controlled to DISCOURAGE any more news about such gold. Your mediamen fail to understand that their own Boss cannot get very much published as such news articles are OFF LIMITS in all of your media in the Philippines. Anyhow, if you been following the MING on-going exposure of that so-called GAIA, you should realize that while it may be TRUE and LEGAL in that old PERU BOND being a debt collected against the U.S. Treasury, the whole story as to how the EKEKRs ended up with it stinks to me. Also I am now checking into RICK MARTIN as He was the man that said that Mr. Herman made his one page, NOT notarized transfer of the asset to RICK MARTIN ( which is actually not his real name ) and this RICK MARTIN just happened to become a VIP in all of this and He travels to many foreign countries selling the GAIA issued deed concept to anyone who would listen, then He and EKKER divorced each other and EKKER made a deal to pay him off, and since EKKER failed to keep the payment promises, then now RICJ MARTIN is maybe going to spill some of his knowledge to the SAMCO agents who are making their investigations in USA etc. Anyhow it would be nice IF YOU or any MADEUP NAME could log on and perhaps give some encouragement to say RONALD KIRZINGER and CENON C. MARCOS and that Professor Jaime Ramirez for them to do the correct and moral thing, that if they find that Prince Julian MORDEN Tallano (who is hiding from Ekkers people) then they could accept the old peace proposal that was acceptable as a quit-claim by the current Sultan Fuad Kiram of Sulu Sultanate, who finally convinced SAMCO that the Sulu Royal families would accept just 220,000 tons out of the 400,000 with the understanding that 90,000 of the remaining 180,000 was to be placed into a special TRUST like escrow for the Filipinos and future generations where the gold should be preserved and not sold off. That Sultan Fuad Kiram was even willing to allow those bad people( that is what I call those Trustees at that Don Julian Benitez Tallano and Don Gregorio Madrigal Acop Foundaion in the Philippines, to manage the other 90,000 for the tagean-Tallano estate. I have to admit it was a decent intelligent decision but SAMCO people did not like it, they wanted to go into the WORLD COURT and even the International Criminal Court and file claims that the 380,000 Mt must be returned immediately back to the Sulu Sultanate and allowed only for 20,000 tons be allowed to be sold by those Trustees, to pay off the real estate land taxes that Tagean-Tallano owned throughout the Philippines. I was the one that LEAKED OUT that agreement and that is why SAMCOGROUP became so upset against me, for posting that proposal and details at MING forum. Anyhow I told SAMCO to go to Hell and shove a golden two by four up their @$$. SAMCOthenstarted to make trouble for me working on contract at VICTORIA, so hat upset me even more, so I resigned. I took over as Managing Director for the ASIA NGO FOUNDATION and now at least SAMCO people have agreed to make up for their own cover-up and try to repair the damages, so they agreed to make endowments or award some large donations of money to the NGO Foundation. Anyhow I am now seeking away to try to get the Prince Tallano to come back and stand up in his own feet, as part of that old peace proposal was that SAMCO was asked by the Sultan Kiram, to sell 20 to 30,000 tons of the gold and lend the money to the tagean-Tallano Estate mainly to allow that estate to pay their damn taxes on the land they claim to have owned all over the Philippines. Anyhow it would have really stimulated your country as the INPUT of so much money would help to climate the poverty for millions of families. Anyhow, it seems the the DEVIL is supportive of the EKKER Group and that is why the Prince went into hiding. Do any of your media know how to contact that prince Julian MORDEN Tallano,as maybe with your help and the help of Ron Kirzinger, we can save at least 90,000 tons of gold for the Philippine people as the longer we do nothing, they will continue to shop out the gold from the BACK DOOR and it will be LOST FOREVER. The good news maybe is that SAMCO just is finishing up making final negotiations for release of s\gold deposits at two large banks in the name of Sultan Fuad Kiram grandfather and his Father other gold account. This however is good news for SAMCO and the Sulu Sultanate, but that is old gold that will be kepted by the Sulu Sultanate and will not be filtered down to the Philippines, as would the separate other deal for 50% of that 180,000 left after 220,000 of that 400,000 had been returned back to Sulu Sultanate, at least 50% of that 180,000 would be the 90,000 for your people and done in such a manner that the Philippine Government cannot steal that asset from the people ever again.

This is true without American influence

trismegistos & Suzuka00, in a round-about way the Sundaland theory has received greater scientific scrutiny and credibility

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=219387

btw if Dubai happens to have had an ABL, who does it go to when they get into serious trouble ?

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DNP Enterprises/Diaz umbrella is firming its hold to all Santa Romana assets or assets that originated from Santa Romana around the globe. If Dubai did have ABLs then they are now without value. Maybe ABLs' hope is someday a compromise between the Diaz and Marcos umbrella would come up. But who/what will make this happen?

So, there are discussions going on in the background ?
that's bad for people like Dubai who suddenly discover that they only have held wealth on paper. btw gold is going down in price and there are rumor of it only being tungsten LOL but i think Mr. Diaz would have been smart enough to know good assayers etc.

Sundaland theory of Oppenheimer and Solheim is actually more scientific and credible, I find it strange that orthodox academicians continue to patronize obsolete science.

This is another blow to the North to South migration theory.

I respect the ardous task of the linguists to classify and to create a family tree of various languages and dialects. Such an ardous task especially if one will specialized a very challenging field of Austronesian languages.

I have only one or two reservation/s in the "Out of Taiwan Theory" of the linguist Bellwood and that is how did he made an arbitrary origin of Taiwan which is almost like a dead branch. The rest of the divergence I agreed. Another is the timeline. Mitochondrial studies and other genetic studies are proving that much of the migrations happened going into or towards to Taiwan and not out of and these migrations happen earlier than the supposed 3-4,000 years ago initial branching.

So much a better Origin would have to be the next in line in the branch which is the Philippine isles. And what better impetus to fast track maritime technologies for possible migrations than the slowly rising sea levels, volcanic eruptions, tsunami etc afforded by the various inlands swallowed by large bodies of water creating the many islets, islands that we know called the Philippine isles. And this happened during the last rising of sea levels during the melting of the ice caps during the end of the last Ice Age about so 7,000 years ago perhaps.

It is interesting to point that various legends of the Taiwanese aborigenes pointed out that they came from the Nanyang, which means Southern seas. We can say myths are myths but we have to remember they carry some embryonic truths in them embellished in a symbolical metaphorical manner.

From there I have much in agreement with the Linguist theory: Out of Taiwan theory except that it should be Out of Philippines/Indonesia or rather Sundaland theory.

It is interesting to note that the Okinawans have also the word "Mayumi" in their vocabulary which has similar meaning to the local version.

the way i understood it this the genetic studies clarify the migration of people around 10 000 BC right after the ice age, when a greater land mass a.k.a Sundaland can be assumed for SEA, while northern Asia was still covered with glaciers. so it's not impossible that some people moved back south again later in 3000-1000 BC (when ironically sea-levels were even much higher than now), causing the linguistic distribution as it is. but it doesn't exclude the possibility that when the migration into Polynesia started that again a northward movement took place, starting from the Philippines.

But genetic studies from here... http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/paul-rod...d-spread-taiwan - have showed:


In the Age of Exploration and Colonization, the reverse direction is true.

As I have said I have much in agreement with the linguist theory except that Taiwan is not the homeland of the Malayo-Polynesians as Bellwood arbitrarily puts it as the various genetic studies confirm. From there the branching of the family tree of various languages and dialects is somewhat scientific.

Various legends of the Chinese and Japanese people puts a souther origin of their homelands...
source: http://sambali.blogspot.com/2006/12/japane...ds-article.html

As I have said, myths and legends carry some kernels of truth in a metaphorical manner.

i wonder if Professor Rodgers is connected to the human genome study...

since you are looking into the connection with the Ryu Kyu Islands and Japan, maybe you have noticed the similarites between the legend of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momotarō

and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biag_ni_Lam-ang fighting against Demons with animal allies LOL

Ok. I'll take a look. he he


From the link you have posted... http://www.genomeweb.com/arrays/hugo-pan-a...+%C3%9Cberfeed)


Accdg to the Chinese, did they put their homeland in Nanyang, Kunlun, Fusang, Penglai?

No, not that i know of. Kunlun / Shambhala in the West though was the home of Huang Di. Fusang was associated with the far East, so maybe Ryukyus.

Ancient Chinese and Hawaians share a similar Myth of restraining the Sun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houyi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Māui_(Hawaiian_mythology)

It's very interesting both legends have dog, pheasant or rooster motiffs which are very common in China, and Southeast Asia. http://sambali.blogspot.com/2006/10/articl...-southeast.html and http://sambali.blogspot.com/2005_01_24_archive.html
connected with Tala or Batala or Bathala or Venus, the saviour of the last deluvial period, the bringer of rice agriculture, deity of maritime austronesians accdg to that links.

The homeland of the Hawaiians is termed as Hawaiiki or Javaiki. Java could mean Java Major which is Borneo or could mean Southeast Asia as a whole just like Suvarnadvipa is.


Kunlun people were said to be dark short people or pygmies as in our local Aetas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunlun_Nu or http://sambali.blogspot.com/2007/02/kunlun-glossary.html .



Fusang accdg to some researcher is California or Mexico accdg to the distance mentioned.
But PKM seemed to indicate Nusantao location.

Fusang tree looks like an entwined Balete fig tree or other similar species.

the word for inom is closed to the Japanese word for drink too, okinawa is close taiwan maybe there is some contact or trading or maybe they used to be austronesians too

Oppenheimer book is not really that recent genetics as you said since it was published more than a DECADE AGO
The problem stems ultimately from the fact that Oppenheimer is a geneticist, not a linguist, an historian or an archaeologist; he is therefore bound to make errors when trying to interpret linguistic, historical or archaeological evidence. Whilst it is always important to analyse and consider as many different types of evidence as possible when trying to understand an historical or pre-historical period or event, it is also important to recognise that each piece of evidence must be considered on its own terms, and that such different types of evidence which require such different methods of interpretation can very rarely be shoe-horned together in an accurate way
He mixes things from mythical writings like Atlantis or Eden, many myths contradicts with genetics like N.American myths when most research points to the west

looks like Oppemheimer focuses more on polynesians, who are obviously partly originated in E. indonesia

Tho i do believe the aeta & similar groups came from Sundaland before the last ice age

i know NanYang usually refers to SEAsia
does NanYang have two meanings?(Simplified Chinese: (南阳), Traditional Chinese: (南陽); pinyin: Nányáng) 南 Nán-South,阳 yáng-sun (the south side of a mountain, or the north side of a river, which in Chinese is called Yang meaning "sunny").
anyways NanYang is not even an austronesian word, does the taiwan aborigines have their legend in an austronesian language?

Taiwanese Aborigines said they came from the north, myths from aborigine groups is inconsistent with each other
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amis_people#I..._classification



Genetic Evidence of out of taiwan/china(north)theory
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/01/outoftaiwan/
http://www.pnclink.org/pnc2009/english/Pre...pt-MarieLin.pdf (2009 STUDY)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P...pdf/9837834.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P...?tool=pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?c...l=pubmed_DocSum
http://www.pnas.org/content/104/12/4834.full
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5913/527
http://hpgl.stanford.edu/publications/AJHG_2001_v68_p432.pdf
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/8/146
http://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297%2807%2961626-7
http://www.rogerblench.info/Genetics/Genev...aper%202004.pdf
http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:do...al.pbio.0030281
http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:do...al.pbio.0030247
http://www.genetics.org/cgi/content/full/160/1/289
http://www.shiba-dog.de/dingo-en.htm (dog lolz)


Almost all Austronesian groups are agricultural, rice growers (except some pacific is. where theres really no rice fields available)
archeological evidence shows the first cultivation of rice were around 7-5000BC
Rice came from the north, Wild rice originated from the footsteps of the Himalayas
Some groups in taiwan are not really rice farmers
Terracing techniques in the philippines, indonesia, taiwan & madagascar are the same as those in China, outside SEA & s.China is diffirent
SW.China



Filipinos are Mongoloids, ALL mongoloids came from the north, mongoloids developed their asian characteristics & features because of the ice age/blowing cold weather & some these features changes as they move south, this is also true with the Native american mongoloids

Because groups of people who have didnt come from the north & have always stayed around the equator/tropics will have retain features that they have when they left africa like the Australians, Aetas, Andanamese & Papuans did.


i dont think theres a super-clear answer yet


but it would be nice to see if more evidences comes out proving that sunken parts of the area surrounding the Philippines is the Lost City of ATLANTIS as Oppenheimer said & it is the garden of Eden.
And how he said Civilizations of China, India, Mesopotamia, Egypt and the eastern Mediterranean originated from an area around the Philippines

You are a linguist right?

Yes there are legends among Taiwanese aborigenes saying they came from Nanyang. How did you think I came up with the word Nanyang If I never read about their legend, that they came from Nanyang. Nanyang of course a chinese word. I read the legend in a chinese website translated in English obviously it is already translated. I would like to read the legend in their original austronesian language.
Regarding the Ami tribe, that is just one tribe among many. Reading from the links you have given:
The latter is just one supposition out of the many. Is that from their legend or just a supposition? Can you give me the actual legend? And perhaps the ancestors of their ancestors did came from south then went north then went south. Who knows? But one thing for sure overwhelming genetic evidence is pointing for their origin in the south. link... http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/paul-rod...d-spread-taiwan and http://www.genomeweb.com/arrays/hugo-pan-a...+%C3%9Cberfeed)

There was recent discovery of underwater ancient city believed to be of advanced civilization(Lemurian), in Japan!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs2Ghk1iWbw...feature=related
It was featured in Discovery Channel. Could be a piece of the puzzle.

Ok lets be scientific, and remove The Atlantis or Lemuria crap(since you are not into metaphysics and hidden knowledge stuff, which various freemasons, yogi-mystics, intuitives and theosophists are capable of penetrating)...

Oppenheimer is a medical doctor turned archeologist or paleontologists.

Have you done a DNA test? Isn't that a very objective test compared to the arbitrary classifying of languages and dialects. DNA test is such a very objective test it is the final arbiter in some legal cases.

Genetics is more an exact science compared to linguistics which I consider as an arbitrary science. Linguistics is prone to error and much more prone to bias or is very subjective.
Interpretation of genetic studies is more scientific and can be validated and is less prone to inter observer biases.

If you read the links of the various genetic studies they are recent.

I'll repeat I agree with the linguists in terms of linguistic branching, I only oppose the Taiwan as homeland or origin concept which is kinda arbitrary. In terms of diversity or richness the Taiwanese branch is almost a dead branch compared to the richness of the Philippine branching.

Do you know how to interpret the methodology of the various studies of the links you have presented? They are using animal or bacterial genomes and connect the dots with the linguistic theory of Bellwood. Why not go directly with human genetics. The genetic study on animals and bacteria and correlating it with the linguistic study makes the genetic study on animals more prone to arbitrary and biased judgement favoring a Taiwan homeland. I have notice various genetic studies in proving Out of Taiwan theory have few sampling sizes compared to the genetic studies proving a South to North migration.

And much of the genetic studies used on animals and bacteria including dingoes lol is not clear on how they obtain a taiwan origin. It is not well-delineated or blurry in short very subjective. The methodologies are flawed and sampling sizes small. As I have said why not go directly with Human genetics, to give a final say.
Take a look at this sample genetic study "kuno"... http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/pmc/article...1684865/?page=6
The above study is not even a true blue genetic study or genomic study or genetic haplotype study or a full mitochondrial genome study. It is not even a study of genetic fragments but an enzyme study on carbonic anhydrase variance. A full mitochondrial genomic "Human" genetic study is far superior to the enzyme study well referenced by Robert Lindsay claiming Filipinos are descended from the Ami tribe. The ami Tribe didn't even have the genetic biodiversity or have a very divergent haplotype-rich mother gene pool to be considered as the ancestors of Filipinos.

Do you understand how to interpret this...
http://www.genomeweb.com/arrays/hugo-pan-a...+%C3%9Cberfeed)

quote:
In general, haplotype diversity was highest in southern Asia and dwindled in samples taken further north.

Most East Asian haplotypes — some 90 percent — turned up in Southeast or Central-South Asia. But more of these haplotypes were unique to Southeast Asia: about half of East Asian haplotypes were present only in Southeast Asia, the researchers reported, compared with the five percent of East Asian haplotypes that were found in Central-South Asia alone.

Such patterns indicate that migration from Southeast Asia into East and North Asia, the team explained. They proposed a model whereby ancestors of modern day Asian populations settled in India before migrating to Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, and the Philippines. From there, it appears one or more groups traveled north, mixing with other populations already living in these regions.---

If we came from up north since we are Mongolians este Mongoloids right, why do the haplotypes in the North is not varied and lack the richness and tend to be homogenous? Think of this way, the origin must have the richness but when it radiates, the richness disappear and becomes homogenous at the periphery. So very imposible to point a northern origin or Garden of Eden especially during the time of the last Ice age. People from east Africa, came during the last Ice age, the Glaciers put a barrier for a migration up north, only when the ice has melted would the people from the South able to migrate up. With the cold terrain up north, they adapted with chinesey eye or slit-like eyelids, stout body reminiscing of the body types of Eskimos to conserve heat. Seems logical right. If we are mongoloid coming from up north in Siberia, why only a few percentage of our population have slanted or slit-like eye lids? Let's go back to linguistics. If we follow the linguistic arguments, we are completely different from the Han Chinese. The Austronesian language lacks the monosylabbic and language or grammatical structures of the Sino-tibetan languages. So what does that tell us. We are genetically different from the Mongoloids in the mainland?(of course not as genetic studies has proven Filipino genetic make up is similar to Southern Chinese) Why is the Japanese language completely different from the Chinese language? If the Japanese came from the mainland completely. Another pitfall of linuistic study to determine the root ancestry.

In terms of origin of rice agriculture, unfortunately, more earlier physical evidence is in the ocean floors already, the great Plains of Sundaland. In the tropics, preservation of grains or seeds is very futile. In terms of richness of gene pool including of wild rice, the northern areas in the Himalayas will never surpass the tropical paradisial biodiversity. The mother gene pool should have the variety of haplotypes.

I like to emphasize why linguistic study has problems compared to genetic study to quote a geneticist:
What evidence we have falls into three categories: physical remains, such as stone tools and cave paintings, can reveal the movement of technology and culture, but sometimes these spread not just as groups move, but between peoples. Linguistic studies, comparing modern languages to find their common roots, have the same problem. But genetics, looking at how minor mutations have spread through the world’s population, does not.

I reiterate the more I look at your links the more the concept of radiating from the Philippines is getting clearer. Philippines to Malay archipelago(North to south Migration) to Polynesia(eastward) to China, Korea, Japan(northward)

Since you are leaning linguistics perhaps you can study in your spare time the various links:
http://www.reocities.com/pinatubo.geo/austric.htm
http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/sumer.htm
http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/austro.htm
Relations of Austrics with Austronesians, relations of Austrics with Sumerian language, Austric influence in India(Indo-Aryans or Indo-Europeans). Austrics relations between Austroasiatics

Edit: another interesting link presented as reference by Robert Lindsay which he used in substantiating his claim of Ami tribe of Taiwan being the ancestors of the Filipinos is actually proving the contrary: East Asians were descended from Southeast Asians... http://www.pnas.org/content/95/20/11763.abstract

If the EDEN is located INDonesia and some parts around the Philippines..

Then When Adam and Eve was put in the "Garden of Eden",..could the Philippines be the "Garden of Eden"?

It is said that in that "Garden of Eden" there is a "Tree of Life"? If you draw a triangle from top of Philippies going Down like a christmas tree with center from Bohol...Could be it look like a tree? And that triangle is considered the Biodiversity of Life? by the way the center of Biodiversity is Bohol.

Some mind boggling...

The narrow strait between Batangas and Mindoro is the center of world marine biodiversity. It seems the Philippines is home to many biological centers. And the geographical structure of the Philippines also seems unique. It is like as if it wants to tell us something. And, as I mentioned before, there are many subterranean structures under the province of Cavite still unexplored. Todd Alphine said that Manila alone has 35 miles of tunnels but I don't know how he measured them.

Hmm

The Philippines' political division did not exist in the past, hence there is no distinction of your so-called "Christmas" tree. Also, if we take into account the Christmas tree, then that defeats the whole point of why God made the world. If something is sure to exist in the future, then everything preceding follows the path leading to that. In other words, free will is disregarded, thereby rendering your theory wrong.

Also, there are a lot of other places in the world where we can form a triangle, like the Bermuda triangle?

Personally, I don't take the story literally.

Sunday, January 21, 2007
The Garden of Eden (Glossary)
The Garden of Eden and its location have served as a source of intrigue and curiosity since ancient times. Eden in the Bible is the terrestrial paradise, the earthly model of Heaven. In the Eden paradise, we find the source of the earthly rivers and the source of life itself or at least that of humanity.

The fall of Adam and Eve and their expulsion from the Garden of Eden serves as the backdrop of humanity's loss of immortality.

Where was the Garden of Eden?

The biblical Garden of Eden appears derived from the older Sumerian stories of the lush island of Dilmun far to the East. Many themes in the biblical book of Genesis are very similar to Sumerian myths including the lists of the antediluvian patriarchs, the great flood and the far-off eastern paradise.

Apocryphal texts like the Book of Enoch and Book of Jubilees place Edem beyond "India" and the Erythraean Sea (Indian Ocean) . In Enoch, the "Garden of Righteousness" and the Tree of Knowledge are associated with the eastern regions where cinnamon and aloeswood are found.

In medieval times, the location of the Garden of Eden continued to be mostly associated, in Christian and Jewish thought at least, with the far East. Medieval maps generally placed the East at the top of the chart with the Garden at the highest position. Although the garden was usually on the mainland, sometimes it was instead an island in the sea. Most often Eden was centered on the equator although the geography here tended to be pushed southward from the true positions.

Muslim geographers more commonly placed the Garden of Eden in Sri Lanka at a location also known as Sri Pada in Ratnapura district.

Font of all rivers

As the source of four great rivers that were said to supply water to all other rivers of the world, Eden was also the 'garden of life.' The four rivers branching out usually in the four cardinal directions were of course only symbolic. They are met with also in different mythologies of the world.

The four rivers are fed by one great world river that appears as either subterranean, as heavenly or as both subterranean and heavenly. We can understand the world river originally as an underground river that rises up the cosmic mountain to the heavens spouting out at the peak of the axis mundi. In India, this is the Ganga, which metaphorically branches out into the Sita to the East, the Alakananda to the South, the Caksus to the West and the Bhadra to the North i.e., it is the source of all fresh water. The four rivers watered by Eden in the Bible are the Pison of the golden land of Havilah, Gihon in Ethiopia, Hiddekel towards the east of Assyria, and the Euphrates.

Sumerian myth tells of two oceans -- an underground freshwater ocean known as the Abzu and a surface saltwater one called Tiamat. The former provides waters for the Earth's rivers after rising in Mount Mashu. Both oceans are seen as locations for the creation of life and the world. The Chinese Daoists saw the field of creation as the "Cinnabar Ocean" and the Hindus had the "Milky Sea."

Indeed, the idea of the oceans as the source of life is widespread in many cultures agreeing to some extent with modern evolutionary theories of life originating in an oceanic "biological soup." Indeed, marine ecosystems contain more phyla of lifeforms than the terrestrial ecosystems probably due to the fact that only a subset of creatures took to the land from the sea.

It is interesting with regard to the theme of this blog, that the region with by far the greatest marine diversity in the world is found in a triangle formed by the Philippines in the north, Indonesia to the southwest, and New Guinea to the southeast. Biodiversity in itself is the "tree of life" with all lifeforms ultimately connected in one origin and speciation resembling the branching of a tree.




Graphic giving theory for world's highest biodiversity in "Coral Triangle." Source: http://www.calacademy.org/research/izg/tropicaldiversity.htm

Heaven and Hell

Eden is portrayed in the Bible and related works both as a lush paradise and a fiery region protected by a revolving flaming sword. In this land was Mount Eden, a location described in similar terms to the smoking, fiery peak in Sinai where Moses received the divine commandments.

Mount Eden is itself the "garden of God," the location of the heavenly hosts from which the fallen angels were expelled according to Ezekiel.

The fiery upheavel in the Garden of Eden is related in this work to a volcanic conflagaration that sends waves of human migration in all directions.

When Adam and Eve partake of the fruit of the "tree of knowledge" they suddenly realize they are naked and seek to cover themselves. The theme suggests the loss of innocence connected by many with the rise of materialism symbolized by the fig leaves used to conceal their 'nakedness.'

From that point onward, abundance would cease and humanity would toil to survive off the cursed ground.

Regards,
Paul Kekai Manansala
Sacramento

I realized that...
The people from Luzon are mainly descended from Apo Puti and Apo Makatunaw of Ma-I while the VISMIN people are descendants of the other 9 Apos...

A revelation to Peace Crusader was given about the true date Jesus Christ was born. http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=420052

He mentioned something about the Three Kings that offer gifts to the baby King of Kings.


Saba is a common place name in Southeast Asia. Saba or Sabang or Sapa means estuary is sometime synonymous to Java. The Ancient Indians would call people living in Saba as Savaka sometimes spelled as Javaka. Saba or Sheba or Java could mean a bigger polity encompassing the whole Southeast Asia not just the small island of today known by that name. In medieval period, Java Major would mean Borneo or Sabah while Java minor, the present Java island. In our prehispanic past, there was then a Kingdom called Sapa.

The ancient Arabs during the medieval period called the empire located in Southeast Asia as Zabag similar sounding with Saba while the ancient Chinese called the same polity as Sanfotsi which a French historian termed as the Sri-Vijayan empire.

Where King Solomon sourced his gold, spices, etc is the same place called Sheba which is none other than Zabag or Saba which is in Southeast Asia, which could be the true place of Tarshish and Ophir.

So the King of Seba or Saba must probably be the one who offer gold to the baby Philosopher-Priest-King.

http://asiapacificuniverse.com/pkm/sanfotsizabag.htm

http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showpo...amp;postcount=4

Tarshish is most probably in the East, on the Erythrean sea or Indian ocean, seeing that "ships of Tarshish" sailed from Ezion-geber, on the Red Sea (1 Kings 9:26; 22:48; 2 Chr. 9:21).

From... http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showpo...amp;postcount=5


Psalm 72:10 The kings of Tarshish and of distant shores will bring tribute to him; the kings of Sheba and Seba will present him gifts.

Isaiah 60:6 And all from Sheba will come, bearing gold and incense and proclaiming the praise of the LORD

Isa 23:6 Pass ye over to Tarshish; howl, ye inhabitants of the isle

Isa 66:19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, [to] Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, [to] Tubal, and Javan, [to] the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles

Isa 23:1 The burden of Tyre. Howl, ye ships of Tarshish; for it is laid waste, so that there is no house, no entering in: from the land of Chittim it is revealed to them.

Eze 27:25 The ships of Tarshish did sing of thee in thy market: and thou wast replenished, and made very glorious in the midst of the seas.

2Ch 9:21 For the king's ships went to Tarshish with the servants of Huram: every three years once came the ships of Tarshish bringing gold, and silver, ivory, and apes, and peacocks.

Psa 48:7 Thou breakest the ships of Tarshish with an east wind.

Isa 2:16 And upon all the ships of Tarshish, and upon all pleasant pictures.

Isa 60:9 Surely the isles shall wait for me, and the ships of Tarshish first, to bring thy sons from far, their silver and their gold with them, unto the name of the LORD thy God, and to the Holy One of Israel, because he hath glorified thee.

Eze 27:25 The ships of Tarshish did sing of thee in thy market: and thou wast replenished, and made very glorious in the midst of the seas.

Eze 27:12 Tarshish [was] thy merchant by reason of the multitude of all [kind of] riches; with silver, iron, tin, and lead, they traded in thy fairs

Jer 10:9 Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple [is] their clothing: they [are] all the work of cunning [men].

Eze 27:12 Tarshish [was] thy merchant by reason of the multitude of all [kind of] riches; with silver, iron, tin, and lead, they traded in thy fairs.

Is PeaceCrusader an incarnation of Judge Floro

23rd of May - 23/5 - always struck me as a date the Illuminati would chose

i am fascinated by the mention of Javan, and once again of Hevilath. did you know that Mayon is the name of one of Vishnu incarnations in Tamil Hinduism ?

There are a lot of people, members of various esoteric circles and even cultic groups in the Philippines that could strike you as an incarnation of whoever.

May 23, 33 BC or is it AD? What does the chart says? One thing for sure it is not Dec. 25.
Numerology, etc is/are not the sole property/ies of the Black Illuminati.
The bible is full of Gematria.
Black and white share the same sciences, its the ends, the fruits, and the intention that will help one distinguish one from the other and whether the devil or the angels are the ones guiding them. The saints, gurus, bodhisattvas all use the same science to perform miracles.

Mayon. Interesting. Our ancestors was way back then practicing outwardly Hindu, buddhist, tantric and even nestorian christianity but inwardly animistic, shamanistic, mystical beliefs. Despite the various changes or shifts in the state religion like previously Hindu-buddhist then becoming Islam, the people's faith remained animistic or shamanistic.

Nor do the concept of tribalism...

the masses are united it is the elitista who are divided...


the religion we had is anitoism a form of animism it is just like the japanese have shinto and the chinese have their folk religion.