the difference in southeast asia and east asia lies in our mindset. east asians tend to analyze people and knit pick behavior. this is a behavior and not something that is inherit. basically, one can learn. a sense of realness is what i'm saying. koreans are the most knit picking of all east asians or even southeast asians. this is why east asia chose to put up a fight against western powers because they were able to knit pick western powers and realize they wanted domination. southeast asia, doesnt knit pick because they are genuinely happy people who likes to stay happy. this means when they are poor, they are still happy, when they are at the top, still happy. always, trying to smile is the way of the southeast asian. viets are someone of a hybrid of this personality trait.

what do i mean about that. i mean when viets are at the bottom, they are haters. but when they are at the top, they are some of the most giving people. in the end, viets are southeast asian, totally in culture. thus, get rich vietnam, it will only make u better people is what i say. and to all of east asia. look at japan and see how giving they are now. japan, does so much good in international funding and developing third world country that i must applaud them. yet, when they were at the bottom, they were hustlin hard. the design of human beings was to bring balance to this world. balance is what is needed to keep life sustainable.

bold part. wise words. u understand the cosmic plan.

I bring strong objection.

Viets are by no means or measure SEA.

Who told you that theory?

Viets are very much entrenched in EA camp.

Just from this point alone, you make a big mistake. I am not able to follow you on other points as well.

East Asia has more money.

u obviously dont know the make up or just unaware of the issues in vietnam. either way, believe what u want, cause i know i will do the same until someone proves me wrong. here's a hint on culture, fish sauce. who eats fish sauce . next.

Man....are you sure you want to have a cultural duel with me?

I will shoot you before you pull out your gun.

Vietnam is everything EA.

Language, clothes, music, architecture, food, religion, history, even looks everything is EA.

Vietnam is not a SEA nation.

Just from location only, made you confused.

Vietnam is as SEA as Singapore is SEA.

Do you consider Singapore as SEA nation?

The history is they were more more north, then they conquered the central part from the Cham, then the southern part from Khmer.

I consider Cham and Khmer as SEA, but not Viet.

Viet Nam the name means Southern Yue.
(Yue Nan)
Yue originates from China area.

You is confused.

generally speaking yes. individually speaking no. singapore and malaysia are good economies in the southeast. thailand is developed. take out, japan, taiwan, and hong kong and east asia still has poverty issue especially in mainland china. but, they have organization so china will be okay and so will southeast asia cause we will all grow together.

fuk u

dichlor u crack me up. but the fact remains, southern vietnamese have khmer genes or southeast asian genes. the northerners have that chinese look more. i'm khmer chinese so i can see what chinese are suppose to look like and what a khmer suppose to look like. i've been to westminister, u ever notice viets dont necessarily look like east asians. they definitely are a hybrid especially the south. but, yes, they are the closest thing to east asian from the southeast region.

u dont need to tell me, i know viet language isnt the sexiest of the bunch, but hey, its their language that propells them to whatever they set to do. see how fast they talk .

It is not only in the past.

In present they are also EA.

If you dont believe me, listen to the opinion of Dichlor above, he is a Khmer.

But anyway, lets not make a protracted duel on this.

You is saying about SEA-EA differences.....well actually, this is very difficult to ascertain.

In the past EA has 4 seasons and scarce food, meanwhile SEA enjoy tropical climate and lots of food.

So EA people have to work hard, while SEA people can relax and enjoy.

Up to today, EA people are more hardworking while SEA people are more relaxed and easy going.

BUT,

What I say is very very stereotypical, and not much better than what you posted earlier.
I am not sure if they are true.

Other than these kinds of stereotypical paintings, I find it rather difficult to pinpoint the difference between EA culture and SEA culture.

In terms of religion, philosophy, social values, family values, actually there is a lot of overlap, so it is rather confusing for me as well.

The only "philosophy" that is not the same I would say is Confucianism. But even this is superficial because there are many Confucian values which are basically the same with SEA cultural norms, like respecting elders, etc.

So I give up.

I'd like to make friends with some sea ppl (esp Thais) in my university, but it's really hard. They all seem to be very shy. I haven't communicate with any sea person yet. However, it's easier for me to make contact with the Chinese, and even Korean. I think it's because we have sth more in common that attracts each other in our groups more if u know what I mean.

Ppl in here define East Asia and South East Asia only by look. South Vietnamese might have Cham/ Khmer genes but sometimes I think they are more Chinese than us Northern Vietnamese in many terms.

I agree. There are more people living in poverty in East Asia than in Southeast Asia. That's fact. Even bigger when you consider Vietnam East Asian but I think they are Southeast Asian. Definately!

Those terms just describe geographical areas and Vietnam is in Southeast Asia. Even if Vietnam wouldn't be in Southeast Asia a single Southeast Asian culture never existed. That's why I don't like people say that the Vietnamese culure is not a Southeast Asian one. Southeast Asia was always diverse. Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Malay, Tibeto-Burmese, Mon-Khmer, Tais, Kinh, Sarong, Ao Dai, palms, cherry trees, mountains, islands, rivers, spoon, fork, chopsticks etc. represent the rich diversity in Southeast Asia.

Southeast Asia is going to be one of the wealthiest regions in future for sure with Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand as the leaders but I don't see East Asia as an economic enemy. I view them as a twin of Southeast Asia.

I don't agree. I mean I do have friends from many different cultures and we get along very well. What attracts me are actually the differences. I have friends from Mongolia, Pakistan, France, Greece, Germany etc. and had friends from Sri Lanka and even South Africa and guess what? I am Thai or Southeast Asian. No. Actually Thai European. lol

hmmm....I questioned myself if they tried to avoid me or sth like that because I'm Vietnamese. I wasn't even that sure if they were Thais, Cambodians or Malays.

viets, chinese, and koreans do share the light skin for sure. although, viets have rounder eyes and double eyelids for the most part. it wierd. i'm khmer mixed, but i tend to be attracted to either a more "pure looking east asian" or a more "pure looking khmer girl". although, i do feel the mixed of the two is the most built overall in refinement, kind of like me , jk.

"Vietnam is not a SEA nation."

Vietnam should be the northern asian stock.


"Vietnam is as SEA as Singapore is SEA."
Singaporian are the people of the original malay and the Indian type look. Chinese came later.

Places like Cambodia have a more serious issue with poverty than China. Poverty in China has "declined from 65 percent in 1981 to 4 percent in 2007".
http://worldfocus.org/blog/2009/04/10/chin...es-remain/4922/

thats because china has organization. china might have 10 billion dollars if u consider gdp in ppp which is the most accurate for standard of living, but there is like over a billion people living there. although, china have lifted over four hundred million people out of poverty, but what about the others.

but yes, china has infrastructure throughout the country and they have a much better system in place because of technology and organization. because of better infrastructure, even the common people have a better standard of living then those in cambodia, i agree. since cambodians living in the countryside dont have access to electricity and tap water. also, cambodia has corruption issues that they need to clear up. although, if they clear up corruption issues, the people there will have a better standard of living then in china and a higher gdp once they fully develope in my opinion since the population is only fifteen million people. u have to remember cambodia has only open to the world within the past fifteen years and a lot has change so far. some for the good, some not so good. but in the long run, at least the people will have access to the riches that we in the develope world take for granted.

if u base poverty on how much a person makes compared to the western world then china has more people living in poverty. but, if u base it on standard of living which is having access to running water, electricity, people have jobs or government help, then yes, cambodia is in a worse predicament. hopefully, the goverment shapes up and starts to develope plans that invest in the people and not just to line their pockets.

hey hey, why do people care so much about whether Viets are EA or SEA? We are just Vietnamese.

I notice that all the topics about Vietnamese being EA or SEA are started by non-Viet people. Vietnamese are usually careless about this EA/SEA classification.

That's a big if & I don't see them changing any time soon. Cambodia also has a huge problem with land mines & are dependent on foreign aid.

there should be no classification of sea or ea. there should only be chinese, viets, cambodians, etc. since everyone is different. this classification seems more of a east asian thing, so they can differentiate themselves apart from us calling us the "classless" of asians and we are different phenotypically. i used to try to keep us as one, but since they want it so bad. they can have it, so i say fuk them too. and to them, u viets are a bunch of niggas, so they want to classified with us. the only thing is, the khmers want u to be known as them northerners. i guess both are ashame of u guys. but, i see the good in viets, so i like u guys. although, u guys can be too "viet proud" sometimes and too overconfident, but i guess thats what makes viet, a viet.

Uh, actually, SEAs are just as guilty. Filipinos use this term a lot because they hate being associated with the Chinese, Japanese & Koreans.

I hate to repeat this but... Vietnam is part of the Sinosphere. Vietnamese people are ethnically distinct and geographically Southeast Asians but culturally are very similar to East Asia and definitely unlike Laos, Kampuchia, and Thailand. =p In fact, the hallmark of East Asian cultures, the Chinese Characters have been used by the Vietnamese before Korea and Japan did. Cultures are not limited by geography. This is why America, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United Kingdom all belongs to the Anglosphere despite their separate continents because they are a part of an English language based society with a shared Brtitish and colonial heritage.

Besides, Vietnamese generally consider Southeast Asians to be inferior than they are. Cambodians and the Champa's people whose lands they conquered were deemed as barbaric races by Đại Việt . Thus when the Vietnamese Empire annexed Cham and Khmer's territories, these barbarians were forced to accept Vietnamese culture, clothes, and language with the kingdom of Champa mostly destroyed and the Cham people exiled or suppressed. Conversely and very unlike the Vietnamese, the Lao and Thai people who shared a similar culture, history and literature to the Cambodians. They did not destroy nor disrespect Cambodia's culture when they started their expansion onto Khmer's territory (they actually absorbed some of it). In fact, the Khmer Empire's complete eclipse and final days can be attributed to Vietnamese's destructions and plunders in the heartland of Kampuchia rather than their actual imperialistic encroachment.

To this very day in modern time, tensions still often run high in Khmer-Viet bilateral relations that can be rather violent. Anecdotes suggest that some Khmer people (somewhat derogatory refers to as Mien) are still bitter that they lost a very strategic and rich piece of land (especially the fabulous port known as Prey Nokor) will sometimes with nationalistic zeal turns man-eater and murderous. There have reports of Vietnamese being beheaded, poisoned, and kidnapped to be held in bondage servitude across the border. There is also the infamous being cannibalized as food products and human meat to be sold at the Mien bazaar or local market. Vietnamese people especially the urbanites tend to stereotyped the Khmers as being less intelligent, incurably lazy, deeply impoverished, alchoholic addicts, and have a tendecy to be unruly street beggars who won't leave you alone if you refuse to give them money.

Empire rise and fall. That just the way it is. China conquered VietNam , exploited our resources, and forced their costume and way of life on us. And they kill any opposition.That is just the way life is. Take a look at the British's 13 colonies in the U.S, within a span of no more than 100 years they conquered almost all of North America and wiped out almost all of the natives who were against them. War was brutal, both sides committed atrocities and indiscriminate killing. To be fair, the Khmer also killing Viets indiscriminately, evident from civilian massacre. No one is innocent, here.

I just hope people can put the past behind us and move forward. Just like how Vietnamese forgive Chinese and move forward. Never in Vietnam was there any anti Chinese ethnic movement. Vietnamese people don't run around looking for Chinese minority to kill. That won't get our lost territories back.




Where can I read about that?

That is so damn funny, does these vietnamese know that their country is a hybrid culture. Cambodia build empires and thousands of temples, and even share our culture ideas with neighbouring country as well. I do not think that lazy and unintelligent people can create all this. These people should look at themselves first before making a not so smart remark because the laughter may be the laught at. Well in this case, the laughter is laugh at over and over again for having ignorrant intelligents.

i dont know but i still consider vietnamese ch!nky/dorky looking geeks that everyone laughs at

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thats exactly what i'm saying though. its not fair to bunch us all up because we are all different in our own way. whether by the way we look and culturally. for instance, thais and cambodians might share similiar cultures, but they are the lovers and we are the fighters. laos are similiar to cambodians too, but genetically laos are more closer to sinos then cambodians. u can't tell now since we all live within the same region and have had marriage between groups. filipinos are unsure because a lot of them have become westernize. i mean they have spanish names so in some ways they gave up their "asian" roots for european whether it was by force or not. some filipinos call themselves asian, some call themselves islanders, and some just call themselves filipinos. but to say a filipino and a viet is the same would be totally unfair since culturally we are all different. our values are different. it wouldn't be fair to call a japanese a korean or chinese since culturally and even genetically, u guys have your differences.

yeah, but every powerful country in this world before they became powerful at some point depended on someone else to help them build their system. even the english, the most powerful empire in today's world, their foundation was once built by romans. it just comes down to the people at the top. u know why singapore is a first world nation and why mexico who has as much money as south korea is a poor country. because singapore's government cared about its people and gave power to the people. mexico and any corrupt government in this world such as cambodia monopolises their riches, thus money is not allocated and development becomes stagnant. yes, i see changes in our government that gives hope, but still i worry if they really care about the people. japanese, koreans, chinese, vietnamese, thais, singapores, malaysians, indians, taiwanese, etc, these people are unified. i think you're perception of cambodia is a lttle ten years old. cambodia is growing fast now. basically the growth rate is very similiar to vietnam and china.

the best viets are the viets that grow up around khmers. they are well balanced in mindset. but thats my opinion though, but i have experiences to back it up. just ask me.

OK and of course naturally everyone knows about that piece of information because the Vietnamese always remind the world that they had been colonized for OVER a thousand years by the Chinese. Thus, according to the evolution principles, the Viets were the products of the evolutionary changes.



Wow...you like saying that, don't you. What are you again?? A Chinese or a Viet??? The reason I need to know your ethnicity so that I can deal with you fairly and squarely. Actually the Viets should know better about who were the REAL BARBARIANS. What legacies of the Viets that you CAN find that prove that they were more civilized than the Khmer or the Cham people? Khmer civilization has always been world renown that in the past even the CHINESE acknowledged. Go check out the carved images of Chinese immigrants (sailors) and mercenaries carved images on the stone walls of the ancient Khmer cities. From Buddhism to music, the Chinese acknowledged the Khmer contributions. In addition, it is INACCURATE to give too much credit to the Viets for the downfall of the Khmer Empire. Don't be a fool if you don't know your facts. The Khmer Empire was long gone since the 15th century. The Khmer remaining territories were practically the protectorate of Siam. The Viets only entered the Khmer Mekong Delta Region in the late 17th century, and they did not ever invade at all. The Viets started out in the Khmer territory as mere refugees/settlers with the permission of the Khmer King. Later on the Khmer King allowed the Ming Chinese soldiers and their families to settle in the Khmer Mekong Delta region. The HEARTLAND of Khmer Empire was not the Khmer Mekong Delta, but Angkor areas. In fact, the Khmer Mekong Delta Region enabled the Javanese enemies to subjugate the Khmer people for decades long, causing the Khmer to establish their cities inland.



Wow you said all of these things just to prove your point that the Viets are a part of the Sinosphere. Thanks to you for the rerun of the Vietnamese hatred against the Khmer people. Actually, the Vietnamese term "Mien" is a shortened version of "Cao Mien" for the word "KHMER". Even in the present-day Vietnam, they call the Khmer as "Kho-Mer". Similarly, the Laotians and the Thais call the "KHMER" as Khamen. Hahah. Actually, the Vietnamese also have a "derogatory" term for the Chinese, and you should know it. In addition, your last statement in your paragraph above demonstrates that the Vietnamese systematic discrimination and suppression of the Khmer Krom people in the Khmer Mekong Delta region IS REAL. This explains why the KHMER KROM PEOPLE want nothing to do with the Vietnamese or the YOUNs if you can get my drift. However, if you would like to know more in reverse on how the Viets are viewed in Cambodia, then you should be aware that the Vietnamese images there are not good at all which is unlike that of the well-integrated Chinese images that established themselves centuries before the Viets ever got to contact with the Khmer. Actually, the French imported the Viets to Cambodia in the 19th century. According to the Chinese imperial records, there were evidence of Chinese communities in the Khmer Empire since the 13th century. However, the Chinese contacted the Khmer people since the 2nd or 3rd century.

Anyway, if you are here to hate the Khmer people and to talk down to them, then you will have me to keep you in check. What are you again? A Chinese or a Viet? Anyway, if I have to pull anything meaningful out of your statement here is that you are the direct evidence to show the world that THE REALITY of the Vietnamese sytematic discrimination, brutality, and suppression of the Khmer Krom people in the Khmer Mekong Delta Region. Khmer Krom Independence NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If the Viets do not ever want anything to do with the Khmer Krom people then it is only right that the Khmer Mekong Delta Region be granted INDEPENCE. Vietnamese are of the Chinese sphere and the Khmer Krom/Khmer people are of the Khmer sphere.