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Full Version: Vietnam buys 6 submarines
nice ship
x6=$1.8 billion wow..
it will be most powerful submarine fleet in SEA
x6=$1.8 billion wow..
it will be most powerful submarine fleet in SEA
They will go to surface just to say hello to china.
just don't run to the coasts to abduct any women, okay?
QUOTE(ugrowup @ Apr 27 2009, 03:56 AM) [snapback]4210233[/snapback]
nice ship
x6=$1.8 billion wow..
it will be most powerful submarine fleet in SEA
x6=$1.8 billion wow..
it will be most powerful submarine fleet in SEA
How many submarines do Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, etc currently have?
Fantastic news! Smart deal Vietnam! 
good news, finally vietnam can have something against the PLAN.
I am really tired of reading the constant complains of PLAN against unarmed viet fishmen/sea pirates or viet navy /w outdated equipments. If it's against viet sub fleet then it would viewed totally different.
PLAN bought this type of boat in the 90s and knows it inside/out.. It's a good boat to have for starters.
I am really tired of reading the constant complains of PLAN against unarmed viet fishmen/sea pirates or viet navy /w outdated equipments. If it's against viet sub fleet then it would viewed totally different.
PLAN bought this type of boat in the 90s and knows it inside/out.. It's a good boat to have for starters.
Kilo 636 Type
Dolphin Class - Type 800 coastal submarines
INS Dolphin (1999)
INS Livyathan (Whale, 1999)
INS Tekumah (Revival, 2000)
On August 25, 2006, Israel signed a deal with Germany to purchase two additional submarines, a deal valued at $1.3 billion, with Germany financing one-third of the total cost.[1]
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/dolphin/
SSK Dolphin Class Attack Submarine, Israel
Israel's three Dolphin Class submarines were designed by Ingenieurkontor Lubeck Prof Gabler Nachf GmbH (IKL), a subsidiary of Howaldtswerke-Deutche Werft AG (HDW) based in Lubeck, Germany. A schedule had originally been planned for the construction of the three submarines by an industrial team consisting of HDW and Thyssen Nordseewerke, lead by Litton Ingalls Shipbuilding, but the project was cancelled in 1990.
INS Dolphin (1999)
INS Livyathan (Whale, 1999)
INS Tekumah (Revival, 2000)
On August 25, 2006, Israel signed a deal with Germany to purchase two additional submarines, a deal valued at $1.3 billion, with Germany financing one-third of the total cost.[1]
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/dolphin/
SSK Dolphin Class Attack Submarine, Israel
Israel's three Dolphin Class submarines were designed by Ingenieurkontor Lubeck Prof Gabler Nachf GmbH (IKL), a subsidiary of Howaldtswerke-Deutche Werft AG (HDW) based in Lubeck, Germany. A schedule had originally been planned for the construction of the three submarines by an industrial team consisting of HDW and Thyssen Nordseewerke, lead by Litton Ingalls Shipbuilding, but the project was cancelled in 1990.
Germany Submarines
4 U212A class (multi-purpose submarine), 2 more under construction, replace some U206A class
6 U206A class (coastal submarine)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_212_submarine
The German Type 212 is a highly advanced design of non-nuclear submarine (U-Boat) developed by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft AG (HDW) for the German Navy. It features diesel propulsion and an additional air-independent propulsion (AIP) system using Siemens proton exchange membrane (PEM) hydrogen fuel cells. The submarine can operate at high speed on diesel power or switch to the AIP system for silent slow cruising, staying submerged for up to three weeks without surfacing and with no exhaust heat. The system is also said to be vibration-free, extremely quiet and virtually undetectable.
Type 212 is the first of the only two fuel cell propulsion system equipped submarines ready for series production by 2007, the other being the Project 677 Lada class submarine designed by Russian Rubin Design Bureau.
4 U212A class (multi-purpose submarine), 2 more under construction, replace some U206A class
6 U206A class (coastal submarine)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_212_submarine
The German Type 212 is a highly advanced design of non-nuclear submarine (U-Boat) developed by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft AG (HDW) for the German Navy. It features diesel propulsion and an additional air-independent propulsion (AIP) system using Siemens proton exchange membrane (PEM) hydrogen fuel cells. The submarine can operate at high speed on diesel power or switch to the AIP system for silent slow cruising, staying submerged for up to three weeks without surfacing and with no exhaust heat. The system is also said to be vibration-free, extremely quiet and virtually undetectable.
Type 212 is the first of the only two fuel cell propulsion system equipped submarines ready for series production by 2007, the other being the Project 677 Lada class submarine designed by Russian Rubin Design Bureau.
Japan
Submarines (SS)
Sōryū class submarines (1 in service; 1 launched; 1 under construction; 1 more planned)
Oyashio class submarines (11 in service)
Harushio class submarines (6 in service)
Submarines (SS)
Sōryū class submarines (1 in service; 1 launched; 1 under construction; 1 more planned)
Oyashio class submarines (11 in service)
Harushio class submarines (6 in service)
boy, those germans sure like to make sneaky weapons.
Spending such a large amount of money for six submarines is a great move for Vietnam but unless the country's tiny defence budget could cover crew training and maintenance, the Kilo submarines will be absolutely useless. I hope Vietnam have the resources to maintain those complicated technologies.
Vietnam still flies the Mig21 so you can be assured how good Vietnam can maintaince the equipment
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Spending such a large amount of money for six submarines is a great move for Vietnam but unless the country's tiny defence budget could cover crew training and maintenance, the Kilo submarines will be absolutely useless. I hope Vietnam have the resources to maintain those complicated technologies.
By 2020, Vietnam will have enough money.
QUOTE(SoCal @ May 4 2009, 04:46 AM) [snapback]4219134[/snapback]
By 2020, Vietnam will have enough money.
by 2020, con gai cua socal lon va dep day cho con cua goku choi
QUOTE(xxxGoKuxxx @ May 4 2009, 08:01 AM) [snapback]4219145[/snapback]
by 2020, con gai cua socal lon va dep day cho con cua goku choi
cu ti,
khong hieu, lam on de dau khi viet
QUOTE (Happy Asian @ May 4 2009, 06:02 AM) 
Spending such a large amount of money for six submarines is a great move for Vietnam but unless the country's tiny defence budget could cover crew training and maintenance, the Kilo submarines will be absolutely useless. I hope Vietnam have the resources to maintain those complicated technologies.
they didnt impulsively buy thóe 6 subs.
Here's a cutaway of an Project 636 Kilo-class sub :
QUOTE (asean.asia @ Apr 27 2009, 05:58 PM)
They will go to surface just to say hello to china.
Those subs can effectively block China's trade route through the East Sea and Mallaca Strait and cripple China's economy within a few months. China's oil & gas pipe lines to Indian Ocean wont be completed till at least 2020.
QUOTE (papabearvn @ Jun 23 2009, 05:10 AM)
Those subs can effectively block China's trade route through the East Sea and Mallaca Strait and cripple China's economy within a few months. China's oil & gas pipe lines to Indian Ocean wont be completed till at least 2020.
Except that China's trade is big part of world economy with many upstream and down stream players. you blocking China ' trade, many other folks will also calling for your head.
On China's part, it can officially declare a war on you and unlikely 1979, now it can easily march to HCM instead of just hanoi.
Vietnam 26 flags
Philippines 10 flags
China 9 flags
Malaysia 7 flags
Taiwan 2 flags
Philippines 10 flags
China 9 flags
Malaysia 7 flags
Taiwan 2 flags
QUOTE (EazyMoney @ Jun 23 2009, 09:16 AM)
Except that China's trade is big part of world economy with many upstream and down stream players. you blocking China ' trade, many other folks will also calling for your head.
I guess you failed to realized this isn't the last great oil deposits surrounding the Spratly's Island perimeter. China has only a hand full of Spratly's Island under its territory. Remember who really owns the others half? Yeah, i guess you forgot to mention about that part too. Besides, if China makes a break for war--- lots and lots of countries would love to see China suck mud bottom. Nobody and i do mean NOBODY likes China.
QUOTE (EazyMoney @ Jun 23 2009, 09:16 AM)
On China's part, it can officially declare a war on you and unlikely 1979, now it can easily march to HCM instead of just hanoi.
According to who? According to another one of yours Sinodefence talks? Laughable!
QUOTE (formula1 @ Jun 23 2009, 11:11 AM)
I guess you failed to realized this isn't the last great oil deposits surrounding the Spratly's Island perimeter. China has only a hand full of Spratly's Island under its territory. Remember who really owns the others half? Yeah, i guess you forgot to mention about that part too. Besides, if China makes a break for war--- lots and lots of countries would love to see China suck mud bottom. Nobody and i do mean NOBODY likes China.
According to who? According to another one of yours Sinodefence talks? Laughable!
According to who? According to another one of yours Sinodefence talks? Laughable!
Using submarine to attack unarmed commercial ship is serious offense. This time, It's won't be just naval skirmish and battles on the island. It's justifiable to declare a formal war by any international standard. UN would first condemn vietnam's action. After the condemnation, China would then have the excuse to finish it once and for all.
It's not just a simple matter of being like or not like as you mentioned.
don't play with dangerous fire or risk of burning your whole house down.
There are about 60 occupied islands/reefs at Spratly Islands.
Vietnam occupy almost half of them and the other halves are occupied by Philippines, China, Malaysia, and Taiwan.
Vietnam occupy almost half of them and the other halves are occupied by Philippines, China, Malaysia, and Taiwan.
QUOTE (SoCal @ Jun 23 2009, 07:49 AM)
Vietnam 26 flags
Philippines 10 flags
China 9 flags
Malaysia 7 flags
Taiwan 2 flags
Philippines 10 flags
China 9 flags
Malaysia 7 flags
Taiwan 2 flags
QUOTE (papabearvn @ Jun 23 2009, 04:10 AM)
Those subs can effectively block China's trade route through the East Sea and Mallaca Strait and cripple China's economy within a few months. China's oil & gas pipe lines to Indian Ocean wont be completed till at least 2020.
The Chinese access to oil and gas resources is vital to economic growth and stalled economic growth could cause instability and ultimately the collapse of their nation of 1.3 billion people.
South China Sea: Chinese activities in the region are less about territorial claims than "protecting or denying the transit of tankers through the South China Sea".
It is building up its military forces in the region to be able to "project air and sea power" from the mainland and Hainan Island
We already placed orders for Kilo submarines, Gepard corvette, so I think our next buy would be something like the Udaloy destroyer I or II
http://en.rian.ru/world/20090619/155293639.html
VLADIVOSTOK, June 19 (RIA Novosti) - A naval task force from Russia's Pacific Fleet docked in Vietnam on Friday on an official visit, a spokesman for the fleet said.
The task force, led by the Admiral Panteleyev destroyer, is heading back to base in Vladivostok after an anti-piracy mission in the Gulf of Aden. The Udaloy-class destroyer, accompanied by a salvage tugboat and two tankers, joined the international anti-piracy operations on April 27.
Udaloy-class destroyer
VLADIVOSTOK, June 19 (RIA Novosti) - A naval task force from Russia's Pacific Fleet docked in Vietnam on Friday on an official visit, a spokesman for the fleet said.
The task force, led by the Admiral Panteleyev destroyer, is heading back to base in Vladivostok after an anti-piracy mission in the Gulf of Aden. The Udaloy-class destroyer, accompanied by a salvage tugboat and two tankers, joined the international anti-piracy operations on April 27.
Udaloy-class destroyer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartarstan/Gepard_class_frigate
Tartarstan/Gepard class frigate
The Vietnamese People's Navy has ordered two Gepard class frigates. They will be built in Russia at Tartarstan's Gorky Shipbuilding Plant. Vietnam is currently examining a purchase of two more with the possibility that they will be built in Vietnam under license. Source
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Tartarstan/Gepard class frigate
The Vietnamese People's Navy has ordered two Gepard class frigates. They will be built in Russia at Tartarstan's Gorky Shipbuilding Plant. Vietnam is currently examining a purchase of two more with the possibility that they will be built in Vietnam under license. Source
I heard Vietnam will order the Su-35BM sometimes this year
QUOTE (EazyMoney @ Jun 23 2009, 08:31 AM)
Using submarine to attack unarmed commercial ship is serious offense. This time, It's won't be just naval skirmish and battles on the island. It's justifiable to declare a formal war by any international standard. UN would first condemn vietnam's action. After the condemnation, China would then have the excuse to finish it once and for all.
It's not just a simple matter of being like or not like as you mentioned.
don't play with dangerous fire or risk of burning your whole house down.
It's not just a simple matter of being like or not like as you mentioned.
don't play with dangerous fire or risk of burning your whole house down.
ch1nk chong wong fong
QUOTE (papabearvn @ Jun 23 2009, 05:10 AM)
Those subs can effectively block China's trade route through the East Sea and Mallaca Strait and cripple China's economy within a few months. China's oil & gas pipe lines to Indian Ocean wont be completed till at least 2020.
Sure 6 disel subs can make mircales happening in vietnam
Money fu-king wise spent ... So the commie leaders will have some where to hide now incase a war breakout.
QUOTE (Bach @ Jun 25 2009, 05:46 PM)
Money fu-king wise spent ... So the commie leaders will have some where to hide now incase a war breakout.
Hide and run to :
Taiwan
^
well this came from Taiwan's China post. I wonder what that article really said. but if it's one sided as China Post suggests, it was a dumb thing to do I agree.
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The two sides created the Web site in 2006 amid great fanfare in order to promote bilateral trade. But it became embroiled in their dispute over the Paracel islands in the South China Sea, over which both countries claim sovereignty. The dispute over the Web site began when China posted an article blasting Vietnam's claim to the Paracels. The article was posted by the Chinese Ministry of Trade, which ran the site with Vietnam's trade ministry.
well this came from Taiwan's China post. I wonder what that article really said. but if it's one sided as China Post suggests, it was a dumb thing to do I agree.
QUOTE (BlueCloud @ Jun 23 2009, 11:54 PM)
We already placed orders for Kilo submarines, Gepard corvette, so I think our next buy would be something like the Udaloy destroyer I or II
What's wrong with your order?
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Rosoboronexport says no deal reached yet for sale of Kilo class submarines to Vietnam
ST. PETERSBURG June 26
Rosoboronexport is not yet engaged in talks with Vietnam and Egypt regarding the possible delivery of Project 636 diesel-electric submarines to these countries, but it is ready to start such negotiations as soon as its foreign partners display their interest in them, Oleg Azizov, head of the Russian arms trader’s naval department, told journalists in St. Petersburg on Friday.
“If Vietnamese partners make their choice in favor of Project 636, we will begin detailed negotiations with them,” Azizov said.
Egypt has “not yet made its decision regarding this issue, either,” he added.
ST. PETERSBURG June 26
Rosoboronexport is not yet engaged in talks with Vietnam and Egypt regarding the possible delivery of Project 636 diesel-electric submarines to these countries, but it is ready to start such negotiations as soon as its foreign partners display their interest in them, Oleg Azizov, head of the Russian arms trader’s naval department, told journalists in St. Petersburg on Friday.
“If Vietnamese partners make their choice in favor of Project 636, we will begin detailed negotiations with them,” Azizov said.
Egypt has “not yet made its decision regarding this issue, either,” he added.
most likely they're haggling over price. Russians are saying, make to decision to buy FIRST, then we'll talk terms.
typical kind of bullying from the bear. -
typical kind of bullying from the bear. -
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Rosoboronexport says no deal reached yet for sale of Kilo class submarines to Vietnam
ST. PETERSBURG June 26
Rosoboronexport is not yet engaged in talks with Vietnam and Egypt regarding the possible delivery of Project 636 diesel-electric submarines to these countries, but it is ready to start such negotiations as soon as its foreign partners display their interest in them, Oleg Azizov, head of the Russian arms trader’s naval department, told journalists in St. Petersburg on Friday.
“If Vietnamese partners make their choice in favor of Project 636, we will begin detailed negotiations with them,” Azizov said.
Egypt has “not yet made its decision regarding this issue, either,” he added.
ST. PETERSBURG June 26
Rosoboronexport is not yet engaged in talks with Vietnam and Egypt regarding the possible delivery of Project 636 diesel-electric submarines to these countries, but it is ready to start such negotiations as soon as its foreign partners display their interest in them, Oleg Azizov, head of the Russian arms trader’s naval department, told journalists in St. Petersburg on Friday.
“If Vietnamese partners make their choice in favor of Project 636, we will begin detailed negotiations with them,” Azizov said.
Egypt has “not yet made its decision regarding this issue, either,” he added.
WTH?! So no subs for the VPN?
QUOTE (DrGieL3 @ Jul 1 2009, 08:55 AM)
What's wrong with your order?
You're pulling an article out from a blog, a blog can not even give a link to its source.
Go to hoangsa.org to find out, Kilo class submarines for Vietnam is on the way home now
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