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Jiaqiu
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8027397.stm

"The protesters gathered in a park in the shadow of corporate headquarter skyscrapers, a short walk from Ginza, Tokyo's most upscale shopping district.

Hundreds strong, they included workers already laid off as the global downturn battered Japan's economy, and those who feared they might be next.

The demonstrators set off on a march towards Japan's Diet building - or parliament - carrying red flags.

"I support the Communist Party because it's the one that thinks about workers first," said one man.

"We're demonstrating to get better rights for the temporary workers," said another.

"The Communist Party is the only party that gets really serious about problems like this."



questionnaire
Well, the Japanese and Japanese Americans lean more democratic after all! Wait...also, well I think the Koreans and the older generation Vietnamese and Filipino Americans are the only Asian Republicans left...
asean.asia
Yeah. Capitalist USA is asking Communist China for money. Shouldn't it be the opposite around. kiss.gif
manko
I don't know what is exactly going on in Japan but I'll say that many countries around the including Japan and the USA are acting more and more socialist as the year goes on. It's getting really scary to me.
Chillin
I think it's cute that some of them discovered it on the Internet.
Jiaqiu
QUOTE(manko @ May 5 2009, 07:43 AM) [snapback]4220398[/snapback]
I don't know what is exactly going on in Japan but I'll say that many countries around the including Japan and the USA are acting more and more socialist as the year goes on. It's getting really scary to me.



What's wrong with socialism?
manko
QUOTE(Jiaqiu @ May 5 2009, 09:59 AM) [snapback]4220477[/snapback]
What's wrong with socialism?


Everything. I don't need any Government that infringes on my individual sovereignty.
Chillin
I think Japan is the only place where Communism could work.

manko
QUOTE(Chillin @ May 5 2009, 05:11 PM) [snapback]4220778[/snapback]
I think Japan is the only place where Communism could work.


Well, there's not much difference between fascism and communism and these socialist elements remained a part of the Government long after WW2.
manko
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20090505zg.html

Loosely defined law for police control of the streets? Can be nothing but trouble.
meitoufu
Americans will do everything in their power to prevent JCP from winning, because JCP wants to nullify the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security pact between the United States and Japan.
manko
QUOTE(meitoufu @ May 5 2009, 07:45 PM) [snapback]4221016[/snapback]
Americans will do everything in their power to prevent JCP from winning, because JCP wants to nullify the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security pact between the United States and Japan.


They point at the JCP as the communists and the evil doer's when the real communists are already in office working in many different ways.
Henry123
I wondr if the JCP is associated to the pre WW2 Japanese communist party?
chiuchimu
Communism won't work in Japan.

We have a 'gang' mentality. We like to join groups and draw strength from the group. We do not want to be a slave to a powerful group. There will be rivers of blood before Japan becomes a communist Nation.
Manleow
there nothing wrong with Communism, its a boggy man for some ppl for a reason.

Japan as a society would be a great communist state. The ppl as a whole are conservative, there is a good sense of national pride, and it is a wealthy country.
meitoufu
QUOTE(Henry123 @ May 5 2009, 08:56 PM) [snapback]4221179[/snapback]
I wondr if the JCP is associated to the pre WW2 Japanese communist party?


same one.
meitoufu
QUOTE(chiuchimu @ May 5 2009, 09:23 PM) [snapback]4221237[/snapback]
Communism won't work in Japan.

We have a 'gang' mentality. We like to join groups and draw strength from the group. We do not want to be a slave to a powerful group. There will be rivers of blood before Japan becomes a communist Nation.



As long as Japan's economy keeps shrinking, JCP membership will keep increasing.
manko
QUOTE(chiuchimu @ May 5 2009, 09:23 PM) [snapback]4221237[/snapback]
Communism won't work in Japan.

We have a 'gang' mentality. We like to join groups and draw strength from the group. We do not want to be a slave to a powerful group. There will be rivers of blood before Japan becomes a communist Nation.


You do realize Communism is barely any different to it's past of "Samurai - Slave" hierarchy or Imperial Japan.
ham_let
How would socialism NOT work in Japan?

The only reason why it doesn't work in other countries is because people are too individualistic, whereas Japan is just a clusterfu-k of worker drones...

I think everyone has something to gain if Japan were to become socialist.
asean.asia
Japan can be a role model for all socialist states. kiss.gif
Chillin
QUOTE(manko @ May 5 2009, 09:51 PM) [snapback]4221370[/snapback]
You do realize Communism is barely any different to it's past of "Samurai - Slave" hierarchy or Imperial Japan.


Just to note, the hierarchy-slave thing was mainly theory on part of the Confucian-Buddhist scholarship Ieyasu had as his counselors. In Tokugawa Japan, it was something that was set up as default, but the general population always found ways out of it. That being said, if Communism was set up in Japan, maybe they would find a way out of it too...but Japanese people have a way of taking something and making it better...ha...haha.
chiuchimu
QUOTE(meitoufu @ May 5 2009, 10:25 PM) [snapback]4221332[/snapback]
As long as Japan's economy keeps shrinking, JCP membership will keep increasing.


The people will go back to Imperialism rather than become communist.



QUOTE(manko @ May 5 2009, 10:51 PM) [snapback]4221370[/snapback]
You do realize Communism is barely any different to it's past of "Samurai - Slave" hierarchy or Imperial Japan.


Imperialism IS a 'gang' like in any gang there is a picking order but a gang is not communist. Think 'Street Gang' if it helps. People join gangs and submit to the gangs for there own personal gains.




QUOTE(ham_let @ May 5 2009, 10:52 PM) [snapback]4221373[/snapback]
The only reason why it doesn't work in other countries is because people are too individualistic, whereas Japan is just a clusterfu-k of worker drones...


I can see you have a lot of Japans friends. But really, if you did you would know that Japanese people are very individualistic - but they are afraid and trapped in a very conformist culture. They want to break free, but they don't know how. But squeezing the collar a bit tighter? No. They would rather die.


meitoufu
QUOTE(chiuchimu @ May 5 2009, 11:51 PM) [snapback]4221464[/snapback]
The people will go back to Imperialism rather than become communist.


Japan is surrounded by nuclear powers like China, North Korea and United States, United States controls the South China Sea, by which food, oil and resources are shipped to Japan. who is Japan going to imperialize against?
wonda51
QUOTE(meitoufu @ May 5 2009, 11:09 PM) [snapback]4221488[/snapback]
Japan is surrounded by nuclear powers like China, North Korea and United States, United States controls the South China Sea, by which food, oil and resources are shipped to Japan. who is Japan going to imperialize against?


at first, japan can make nuclear powers for a Year easily
food; it is not a problem at all
Japan’s "Urban Mines" are Comparable to the World’s Leading Resource Nations
http://www.nims.go.jp/news/press/2008/01/v...00000019ws.html
oil; who refuse to sell and attack Ship for commerce today?
chiuchimu
QUOTE(meitoufu @ May 6 2009, 12:09 AM) [snapback]4221488[/snapback]
who is Japan going to imperialize against?


What? Are you trying to say 'attack'? The answer is nobody.

There is currently three forms of government: Monarchical, Democratic, Socialistic

If Democracy fails, Japan would rather give the Emperor power than try socialism.
higher
I agree with chiuchimu, the "communist" thing is just venting by workers. restoring some of the emperor's powers is a more rational response for japan.
ryuji_yamamoto
You're fudging up definitions.

Socialism is NOT the same as Communism.

Communism is stateless and classless. Kind of like ant colonies without a queen or ancient tribe societies where everyone contributed to the wellbeing of the tribe as a whole and no one could rip off the other.

I would say such a society is not attainable at this point in time. Workers would have to revolt and then take back production then society as a whole would have to learn to live without the things we accept as normal such as money, banking, the military, police and government.

I can't imagine such a society in our modern existence.


higher
you're right that's the real definition of communism. I think people are simply associating the pursuit of socialism with the Japanese Communist Party, since there is no one else.
Hafiz
QUOTE(Chillin @ May 5 2009, 05:11 PM) [snapback]4220778[/snapback]
I think Japan is the only place where Communism could work.


India and Nepal also.
Chillin
Maybe Nepal if it was implemented fully, but Prachandra just gave up his post as PM of the country after power struggle. How in the world do you start a People's War and have the guts to take the lives of 13,000 people, take the country, but then resign over a silly power struggle...eeee...what a waste
meitoufu
QUOTE(chiuchimu @ May 5 2009, 11:51 PM) [snapback]4221464[/snapback]
I can see you have a lot of Japans friends. But really, if you did you would know that Japanese people are very individualistic - but they are afraid and trapped in a very conformist culture. They want to break free, but they don't know how. But squeezing the collar a bit tighter? No. They would rather die.


Japanese simply struggling to reconcile the individualistic culture they learned from western countries and the conformist culture based on confucianist traditions.
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