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sugarloaf
“The korean alphabet is currently taught in countries without own alphabet system by the UN becuase it is considered to be the more cientific and efficient alphabet system in the world.“

I often hear this claim from many Koreans. I wonder which “countries”. I searched in vain. Which are these countries? confused.gif


Taln
QUOTE (sugarloaf @ May 10 2009, 05:47 PM) *
“The korean alphabet is currently taught in countries without own alphabet system by the UN becuase it is considered to be the more cientific and efficient alphabet system in the world.“

I often hear this claim from many Koreans. I wonder which “countries”. I searched in vain. Which are these countries? confused.gif


I could understand doing this, but I haven't been able to find out what countries either.
When I help Korean friends with their English, writing the english word in Hangul it really helps their pronunciation.
CheolSu
Holy $hit! 그렇게 하면 바름이 이상하네!
kaylashi
QUOTE (Taln @ May 12 2009, 12:40 PM) *
I could understand doing this, but I haven't been able to find out what countries either.
When I help Korean friends with their English, writing the english word in Hangul it really helps their pronunciation.

yeah, I think hangul is really easy to learn (the alphabet anyways), it looks really pretty, but I dont know what the point of that would be. mostly only koreans use it, so unless those people plan on living in korea, doing bussiness with korea, or share similar cultures with korea, I dout the UN has did anything about that. I think its wonderful for people to learn as many languages as possible, but why use the korean alphabet instead of a more common one (chinese if these countries are in east asia, arabic or roman leters if in oceana or eastern europe/western asia) or make a new one for them. I've heard koreans (my family too) say korean alphabet and pronounciation is the most advanced and perfect to express all feeling and w/e (most time in a joking manner or in old text books), but I've never hard this.
CheolSu
The Korean alphabet is great for expressing the sounds of Korean. Maybe Japanese too. Not, I think, Chinese, and not any European language. There are too many sounds it just can't represent.
joolee
QUOTE (Taln @ May 12 2009, 12:40 PM) *
I could understand doing this, but I haven't been able to find out what countries either.
When I help Korean friends with their English, writing the english word in Hangul it really helps their pronunciation.


There might be some African countries where Korean missionaries are active teaching the writing, but I've never heard of such claim. It's a troll thread.
Taln
While there may be some sounds from the English language missing in Hangul, there aren't many. I can't think of one at the moment.

I think its better than the arabic-based alphabet I am currently typing in because the character/letter is almost always pronounced the same way. There are subtle differences that are definable, such as when to say G or K. But when is the last time you tried to explain why "alphabet" sounds like there is an F in it, or spell words like ophthalmology (why isn't the 'ph" an F sound there?!) , and then there is the ultimate mess: there, their, and they're. Even native English speakers have problems with spelling because of our screwy use of letters.

As for Chinese, there are just too many things to memorize.

Hangul is the next best thing I have found to the Phonetic Alphabet, but almost no one uses it except those of us who teach speech.
Excelencia
Interesting discussion.
I heard about this claim as well so I searched about the people being taught in korean alphabet but have found nothing so far.
The closest think I found was that the UN was discussing about teaching korean alphabet to people without own alphabet system, but some English speaking countries opposed to such move because they wanted to use English alphabet instead.
Scientist supported korean alphabet because of its scientific advantages (easier to learn and could pronounce a wide range of sounds) but the English supporters argued that since English is the international language they should learn English.
So the conclusion is: yes they are considering teaching korean to people without alphabet system but it seems like they have not come to a final conclusion about it.
As a Korean I would love to see more people using korean around the world.
( for more information search in UNESCO site)
kaylashi
QUOTE (Excelencia @ May 13 2009, 01:48 PM) *
Interesting discussion.
I heard about this claim as well so I searched about the people being taught in korean alphabet but have found nothing so far.
The closest think I found was that the UN was discussing about teaching korean alphabet to people without own alphabet system, but some English speaking countries opposed to such move because they wanted to use English alphabet instead.
Scientist supported korean alphabet because of its scientific advantages (easier to learn and could pronounce a wide range of sounds) but the English supporters argued that since English is the international language they should learn English.
So the conclusion is: yes they are considering teaching korean to people without alphabet system but it seems like they have not come to a final conclusion about it.
As a Korean I would love to see more people using korean around the world.
( for more information search in UNESCO site)

I really like the way it looks, its easier on the eyes than chinese or japanese (in my opinion), so if these countries are asians countries, I'm all for it. I do think roman letters or arabic should be used in africa though, becuase it would make trade for them easier.
it would be really nice if american schools started teaching korean, I can hardly find a university that offers it, much less a high school. I'm plaining on majoring in biology (with concentrations in eviromental science, genetics, and biochemistry), but I would love to learn and teach korean in high school, if only more students were interested in it, that would be the main problem. most non-korean students would rather learn japanese or chinese even if it's writing is more difficult.
Excelencia
Information about hangul being taught in minorities without own alphabet system:

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/speci.../178_32754.html

http://www.sejongstudies.org/3_com/index.html
Mahkol
If there was ever to be a unified East- Asian language.

Something phonemic would have to be implemented, due to its ease of use that utilizes the syllables of each East- Asian language.

We shall call it, "Sinoreanese".
Captain Corea
QUOTE (Taln @ May 13 2009, 11:56 AM) *
While there may be some sounds from the English language missing in Hangul, there aren't many. I can't think of one at the moment.



F

th

V

Z

Not to mention forming ending sounds like 'x' by having to go through two syllables.

Hangul is fine for Korean, but I would be very cautious when applying it to English.
Ty-Rex
QUOTE (Captain Corea @ May 14 2009, 06:17 AM) *
F

th

V

Z

Not to mention forming ending sounds like 'x' by having to go through two syllables.

Hangul is fine for Korean, but I would be very cautious when applying it to English.

Nobody's applyying it to English. Did it also occur to you that Korean has some sounds that English lacks? For the benefit of the non-Korean readers I'll Romanize them as they are typically done in Korea: kk, bb, dd, jj. Ever hear a typical American or Canadian trying to order jjambbong? Sounds like they want a waterpipe filled with strawberry preserves (jambong). Or how about ddukbokki. Sounds like they want a duck covered in boogers (duckbogie).
No alphabet is perfect but for many languages without their own alphabet, Korean is a very good fit. Why can't you just admit that? Always have to throw in some negativity when it comes to Korea, don't you?
Captain Corea
QUOTE (Ty-Rex @ May 13 2009, 07:02 PM) *
Nobody's applyying it to English.


You're starting to be the biggest @$$ on this forum of late.

LOOK AT WHO I QUOTED.

Do you see who I quoted?

Do you also see their previous post stating:

QUOTE (Taln @ May 12 2009, 11:40 AM) *
When I help Korean friends with their English, writing the english word in Hangul it really helps their pronunciation.


Can you now understand why I questioned writing English words in Hangul?

Heck, if you've ever lived in Korea, you'd understand that there are NUMEROUS times where English words are written in Hangul - and therefore mispronounced.


So, are you done being an @$$ now?



QUOTE (Captain Corea @ May 13 2009, 04:17 PM) *
Hangul is fine for Korean, but I would be very cautious when applying it to English.

kaylashi
QUOTE (Captain Corea @ May 13 2009, 08:41 PM) *
You're starting to be the biggest @$$ on this forum of late.

LOOK AT WHO I QUOTED.

Do you see who I quoted?

Do you also see their previous post stating:



Can you now understand why I questioned writing English words in Hangul?

Heck, if you've ever lived in Korea, you'd understand that there are NUMEROUS times where English words are written in Hangul - and therefore mispronounced.


So, are you done being an @$$ now?


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biggest laugh I had today beerchug.gif
but which area's are they considering teaching korean alphabet to? minority ethnic groups in asia?
would they be using the hangul letters and pronounciation?
Ty-Rex
QUOTE (Captain Corea @ May 14 2009, 09:41 AM) *
You're starting to be the biggest @$$ on this forum of late.

LOOK AT WHO I QUOTED.

Do you see who I quoted?

Do you also see their previous post stating:



Can you now understand why I questioned writing English words in Hangul?

Heck, if you've ever lived in Korea, you'd understand that there are NUMEROUS times where English words are written in Hangul - and therefore mispronounced.


So, are you done being an @$$ now?
What an honor, the single longest reigning @$$ on AF conferring me with his title.
Cha
Hehe...Here we go again.
Captain Corea
QUOTE (Ty-Rex @ May 13 2009, 11:04 PM) *
What an honor, the single longest reigning @$$ on AF conferring me with his title.


Yet no reply to your obvious inability to read?

You stated : "Nobody's applyying it to English.", and I prove you wrong by quoting another poster who does exactly that.

Face it man, you got schooled.
Ty-Rex
QUOTE (Captain Corea @ May 14 2009, 01:33 PM) *
Yet no reply to your obvious inability to read?

You stated : "Nobody's applyying it to English.", and I prove you wrong by quoting another poster who does exactly that.

Face it man, you got schooled.

No dummy, the other poster simply pointed out that Hangul lacks some sounds that English has. fu-kface, you're the one who likes to lord over the rest of AF as some knowitall on Korea, one of those Asiaphile idiots who thinks he's here to save the natives from themselves. "Schooled." So fu-king juvenile.
Captain Corea
QUOTE (Ty-Rex @ May 14 2009, 01:03 AM) *
No dummy, the other poster simply pointed out that Hangul lacks some sounds that English has. fu-kface, you're the one who likes to lord over the rest of AF as some knowitall on Korea, one of those Asiaphile idiots who thinks he's here to save the natives from themselves. "Schooled." So fu-king juvenile.


NO, the poster pointed out that they used it to express English words and show pronunciation.

QUOTE (Taln @ May 12 2009, 12:40 PM) *
When I help Korean friends with their English, writing the english word in Hangul it really helps their pronunciation.



QUOTE (Ty-Rex @ May 13 2009, 08:02 PM) *
Nobody's applyying it to English.


You said that no one is applying it to English... and

1. You are wrong because the person I was responding to in the thread said they do exactly that.
2. Anyone who has ever lived in Korea knows that Hangul is applied to English words all the time here.


Oh, and BTW, the personal insults just got 'cha a /report.

How about you stick to the fact that you're post is both incorrect and ignorant.

CheolSu
오케이 캄 다운 에브리바디. 돈트 게트 스트레스드!
SantaKlaws
What we need to learn is that if Hangul is to be globalized, well, Hangul needs to be globalized. Standard Hangul is optimized for use for Koreans. But there are significant difficulties for represneting phenemes of different languages, an obvious case being English. Lets considere this. 프랑스. Is it France? No. In Hangul, it's Prance. What about 휠라. Is it Hilla? Or Fila?

Yeah, I bet any people familiar with Hangul should get my meaning now. My only question is, why can't we adopt? Is it bureaucracy? Don't know. I'd appreciate it if anyone posts link to any actual reserach paper in the suitability of Hangul to these foreign languages. Because if such research paper lacks any discussion over the phonetic limitations of standard Hangul(if destandardized, Hangul has infinite potential), I will consider those "researchers" as charlatans who got their job positions despite their minimal critical thinking skills or the lack of advanced degrees.
Captain Corea
QUOTE (CheolSu @ May 14 2009, 06:29 AM) *
오케이 캄 다운 에브리바디. 돈트 게트 스트레스드!


하 하 하 I dig your Konglish

QUOTE (SantaKlaws @ May 14 2009, 06:59 AM) *
What we need to learn is that if Hangul is to be globalized, well, Hangul needs to be globalized. Standard Hangul is optimized for use for Koreans. But there are significant difficulties for represneting phenemes of different languages, an obvious case being English. Lets considere this. 프랑스. Is it France? No. In Hangul, it's Prance. What about 휠라. Is it Hilla? Or Fila?

Yeah, I bet any people familiar with Hangul should get my meaning now. My only question is, why can't we adopt? Is it bureaucracy? Don't know. I'd appreciate it if anyone posts link to any actual reserach paper in the suitability of Hangul to these foreign languages. Because if such research paper lacks any discussion over the phonetic limitations of standard Hangul(if destandardized, Hangul has infinite potential), I will consider those "researchers" as charlatans who got their job positions despite their minimal critical thinking skills or the lack of advanced degrees.


Agreed. I think Hangeul would have to change to truly have a global chance.
SantaKlaws
QUOTE (Captain Corea @ May 14 2009, 08:14 PM) *
Agreed. I think Hangeul would have to change to truly have a global chance.


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Some sellout morons would consider this to be heresy.

But I honor Sejong's true spirit - spread the word to all humanity. Literacy should be granted to all, not privileged for the few.
Taln
QUOTE (SantaKlaws @ May 14 2009, 07:13 AM) *
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Some sellout morons would consider this to be heresy.

But I honor Sejong's true spirit - spread the word to all humanity. Literacy should be granted to all, not privileged for the few.



I would imagine the resistance would be high, but I agree that it is in the spirit of why it was developed. A few more characters for those phonemes could solve a lot of issues with it being globalized.
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