http://www.getrealphilippines.com/agr-disagr/4-chinese.html
We don't have to look too far to find cultural success stories. Right under our noses, the Filipino-Chinese community had gone from Third Class Citizenry to Captains of Industry. Although this phenomenon is by no means unique to the Philippines, we like other Third World cultures, have been on the front row to a self-development show that we have slept through for centuries. And during our waking hours, we as a people focused our efforts on mediocre and corrupt politicking and self-pity activism.
So how does one explain an ethnic underclass that succeeds in hurdling prejudice, poverty, and cultural isolation to turn their ghettoes into today's prime real estate while the indigenous people bred chaos, mutual oppression, and decay? In this light, any kind of excuse is invalidated. Bad governance and lack of education are the top scapegoats, for example. They simply beg the question: the Chinese community was with us through countless corrupt and inept administrations, they had to register their businesses in the same public offices, and they paid taxes to the same government. Furthermore, they landed on our shores, speaking not a word of English or Tagalog. Now, their volunteer fire brigade is far more reliable (and honest) than the government-run force.
Enough books and studies have been made on Chinese culture to help anyone figure out why things are this way. This does not mean, that we have to undertake a massive effort to analyse Philippine culture to figure out how we move forward from here. The bottom line is that the Chinese community in the Philippines is a shining example of the precept that we, as a people, have not worked hard enough at overcoming obstacles to development.
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QUOTE (orient @ May 20 2009, 11:30 AM) 
http://www.getrealphilippines.com/agr-disagr/4-chinese.html
We don't have to look too far to find cultural success stories. Right under our noses, the Filipino-Chinese community had gone from Third Class Citizenry to Captains of Industry. Although this phenomenon is by no means unique to the Philippines, we like other Third World cultures, have been on the front row to a self-development show that we have slept through for centuries. And during our waking hours, we as a people focused our efforts on mediocre and corrupt politicking and self-pity activism.
So how does one explain an ethnic underclass that succeeds in hurdling prejudice, poverty, and cultural isolation to turn their ghettoes into today's prime real estate while the indigenous people bred chaos, mutual oppression, and decay? In this light, any kind of excuse is invalidated. Bad governance and lack of education are the top scapegoats, for example. They simply beg the question: the Chinese community was with us through countless corrupt and inept administrations, they had to register their businesses in the same public offices, and they paid taxes to the same government. Furthermore, they landed on our shores, speaking not a word of English or Tagalog. Now, their volunteer fire brigade is far more reliable (and honest) than the government-run force.
Enough books and studies have been made on Chinese culture to help anyone figure out why things are this way. This does not mean, that we have to undertake a massive effort to analyse Philippine culture to figure out how we move forward from here. The bottom line is that the Chinese community in the Philippines is a shining example of the precept that we, as a people, have not worked hard enough at overcoming obstacles to development.
We don't have to look too far to find cultural success stories. Right under our noses, the Filipino-Chinese community had gone from Third Class Citizenry to Captains of Industry. Although this phenomenon is by no means unique to the Philippines, we like other Third World cultures, have been on the front row to a self-development show that we have slept through for centuries. And during our waking hours, we as a people focused our efforts on mediocre and corrupt politicking and self-pity activism.
So how does one explain an ethnic underclass that succeeds in hurdling prejudice, poverty, and cultural isolation to turn their ghettoes into today's prime real estate while the indigenous people bred chaos, mutual oppression, and decay? In this light, any kind of excuse is invalidated. Bad governance and lack of education are the top scapegoats, for example. They simply beg the question: the Chinese community was with us through countless corrupt and inept administrations, they had to register their businesses in the same public offices, and they paid taxes to the same government. Furthermore, they landed on our shores, speaking not a word of English or Tagalog. Now, their volunteer fire brigade is far more reliable (and honest) than the government-run force.
Enough books and studies have been made on Chinese culture to help anyone figure out why things are this way. This does not mean, that we have to undertake a massive effort to analyse Philippine culture to figure out how we move forward from here. The bottom line is that the Chinese community in the Philippines is a shining example of the precept that we, as a people, have not worked hard enough at overcoming obstacles to development.
Most chinese in the philippines are marunong makisama but the elite chinese are different they are racist and matapobre..
QUOTE (Suzuka00 @ May 20 2009, 09:07 PM)
Most chinese in the philippines are marunong makisama but the elite chinese are different they are racist and matapobre..
The full blooded rich Filipinos have the same attitude.
QUOTE (orient @ May 20 2009, 12:30 PM)
http://www.getrealphilippines.com/agr-disagr/4-chinese.html
We don't have to look too far to find cultural success stories. Right under our noses, the Filipino-Chinese community had gone from Third Class Citizenry to Captains of Industry. Although this phenomenon is by no means unique to the Philippines, we like other Third World cultures, have been on the front row to a self-development show that we have slept through for centuries. And during our waking hours, we as a people focused our efforts on mediocre and corrupt politicking and self-pity activism.
So how does one explain an ethnic underclass that succeeds in hurdling prejudice, poverty, and cultural isolation to turn their ghettoes into today's prime real estate while the indigenous people bred chaos, mutual oppression, and decay? In this light, any kind of excuse is invalidated. Bad governance and lack of education are the top scapegoats, for example. They simply beg the question: the Chinese community was with us through countless corrupt and inept administrations, they had to register their businesses in the same public offices, and they paid taxes to the same government. Furthermore, they landed on our shores, speaking not a word of English or Tagalog. Now, their volunteer fire brigade is far more reliable (and honest) than the government-run force.
Enough books and studies have been made on Chinese culture to help anyone figure out why things are this way. This does not mean, that we have to undertake a massive effort to analyse Philippine culture to figure out how we move forward from here. The bottom line is that the Chinese community in the Philippines is a shining example of the precept that we, as a people, have not worked hard enough at overcoming obstacles to development.
We don't have to look too far to find cultural success stories. Right under our noses, the Filipino-Chinese community had gone from Third Class Citizenry to Captains of Industry. Although this phenomenon is by no means unique to the Philippines, we like other Third World cultures, have been on the front row to a self-development show that we have slept through for centuries. And during our waking hours, we as a people focused our efforts on mediocre and corrupt politicking and self-pity activism.
So how does one explain an ethnic underclass that succeeds in hurdling prejudice, poverty, and cultural isolation to turn their ghettoes into today's prime real estate while the indigenous people bred chaos, mutual oppression, and decay? In this light, any kind of excuse is invalidated. Bad governance and lack of education are the top scapegoats, for example. They simply beg the question: the Chinese community was with us through countless corrupt and inept administrations, they had to register their businesses in the same public offices, and they paid taxes to the same government. Furthermore, they landed on our shores, speaking not a word of English or Tagalog. Now, their volunteer fire brigade is far more reliable (and honest) than the government-run force.
Enough books and studies have been made on Chinese culture to help anyone figure out why things are this way. This does not mean, that we have to undertake a massive effort to analyse Philippine culture to figure out how we move forward from here. The bottom line is that the Chinese community in the Philippines is a shining example of the precept that we, as a people, have not worked hard enough at overcoming obstacles to development.
I see this as true, because I can find no actual evidence to dispute the proliferation of successful Chinese entrepreneurs all throughout the world. In the United States, despite having been barred from immigrating until the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, Asian immigrants (including a large percentage of Chinese) have nearly doubled the yearly per capita income of other ethnic groups including Blacks, Latinos and American Indians. This, while the African American population stagnates and continues to compete for low-income labor. The African American citizens of the United States, despite the civil rights movement, numerous race riots, protests and affirmative action continue to be marginalized and societally isolated in pockets of poverty through out the country.
What is the cause? I relate the struggle of African Americans in the United States to that of indigenous Filipinos because they share the same befuddling history of stunted economic and social advancement. Why?
QUOTE (MisUnderstoodGenius @ May 20 2009, 10:09 PM)
I see this as true, because I can find no actual evidence to dispute the proliferation of successful Chinese entrepreneurs all throughout the world. In the United States, despite having been barred from immigrating until the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, Asian immigrants (including a large percentage of Chinese) have nearly doubled the yearly per capita income of other ethnic groups including Blacks, Latinos and American Indians. This, while the African American population stagnates and continues to compete for low-income labor. The African American citizens of the United States, despite the civil rights movement, numerous race riots, protests and affirmative action continue to be marginalized and societally isolated in pockets of poverty through out the country.
What is the cause? I relate the struggle of African Americans in the United States to that of indigenous Filipinos because they share the same befuddling history of stunted economic and social advancement. Why?
What is the cause? I relate the struggle of African Americans in the United States to that of indigenous Filipinos because they share the same befuddling history of stunted economic and social advancement. Why?
I think the main reason why Chinese can be so successful wherever they go is that where ever they go, they do not adapt and created their own communities. A lot of people tend to forget that Chinatown itself is a ghetto. There are many project and stuff in Chinatown, the only difference is that they create shops, store, etc and make it a Chinatown. Chinese people in general always support each other, that is why you will see old chinese lady catch the bus all the way to Chinatown to buy groceries rather than just go to Safeway around the corner. When they do this, it attract the non-chinese because people want to experience something out of the ordinary which in effect bring in tourist.. That is why in a lot of city there is always a Chinatown, and sometimes Koreantown and Japantown. Other type of Asian like Filipino, Cambodian, Laos, etc tend to adapt to their surrounding. That is why is kind of rare to find a Filipino town or Cambodian town. As far as African American not advancing economically and etc. If you live in America and in the ghetto before, you will know why. Just my 2 cent.
QUOTE (aznboy510 @ May 21 2009, 01:40 AM)
I think the main reason why Chinese can be so successful wherever they go is that where ever they go, they do not adapt and created their own communities. A lot of people tend to forget that Chinatown itself is a ghetto. There are many project and stuff in Chinatown, the only difference is that they create shops, store, etc and make it a Chinatown. Chinese people in general always support each other, that is why you will see old chinese lady catch the bus all the way to Chinatown to buy groceries rather than just go to Safeway around the corner. When they do this, it attract the non-chinese because people want to experience something out of the ordinary which in effect bring in tourist.. That is why in a lot of city there is always a Chinatown, and sometimes Koreantown and Japantown. Other type of Asian like Filipino, Cambodian, Laos, etc tend to adapt to their surrounding. That is why is kind of rare to find a Filipino town or Cambodian town. As far as African American not advancing economically and etc. If you live in America and in the ghetto before, you will know why. Just my 2 cent.
that's probably part of the answer.
the Chinese were also never colonized by a European power. That may account for the fact that they adhere more to their own cultural standards, as opposed to those of other ethnicities.
QUOTE (MisUnderstoodGenius @ May 21 2009, 02:09 PM)
that's probably part of the answer.
the Chinese were also never colonized by a European power. That may account for the fact that they adhere more to their own cultural standards, as opposed to those of other ethnicities.
the Chinese were also never colonized by a European power. That may account for the fact that they adhere more to their own cultural standards, as opposed to those of other ethnicities.
You are partially right. Parts of China was colinize by Europeon. Hong Kong was colonize by the British and Macau was colonize by Portugal. But China as a whole was never colonized. I think it might also be the fact that East Asian hates Western culture due to the past. China and Japan was a great and powerful nation before the European came. China was equilivent to America in its prime age until the British came and messed up the whole nation and forcing them to smoke opium which destroy all the pride and dignity it once had.
Kahit sino. Pag meron kang entrepreneur mind, yayaman ka. Maraming matatalinong pinoy pero walang hilig sa negosyo. Aasa lang sa suweldo.
Maraming marami sa mga Pinoy-- purong pinoy na marunong lang ng konting arithmetic, pero tatalunin pa ang mga may doctorate pag ang pinag-usapan eh paramihan ng pera.
Maraming marami sa mga Pinoy-- purong pinoy na marunong lang ng konting arithmetic, pero tatalunin pa ang mga may doctorate pag ang pinag-usapan eh paramihan ng pera.
QUOTE (MisUnderstoodGenius @ May 21 2009, 04:09 AM)
What is the cause? I relate the struggle of African Americans in the United States to that of indigenous Filipinos because they share the same befuddling history of stunted economic and social advancement. Why?
I believe on the side of the filipinos this is a huge and sad error!
I have investigated, and observed countless discussions, eg. among the intellectual table rounds of the rappers.
(plus you may know the words of krs one)
the black culture was never homogenous and has been destroyed totally by the conditions of slavery and violence..
this is a tragic and heavy load of the past that depresses many of them. any attempt of black culture is very young and still immature, and created from scratch, compared e.g. to chinese and filipino cultures.
"learn math because the whole universe and its function is based on math" - a principle of the "zulu nation", founders of hip-hop! but today their ideas are almost forgotten.
it does help to support the emergence of new black culture, and to help these people to get feet on an even playground, AND to support education so they can make use of the opportunity.
it does NOT help asians to mix up their own identity and fate with that of blacks! not good to both sides.
there can be advantage and progress with synergy and even kapwa on grassroots level, but in the end each have to find their own genuine ways.
I want to stress this because I have seen negative traits and views enhance each other, in contact between asians and blacks in the west! the outcome is crime rate and failure. there are structural limiting conditions and strategies based on this outcome, to the advantage of an eliticist class.
let us focus on the filipino culture. please see me as an observer, who is sensitive about particular points and structures, in the comparison between cultures and their resources.
http://www.crvp.org/book/Series03/IIID-4/chapter-9.htm
http://www.crvp.org/book/Series03/III-8/chapter_iii.htm
http://www.crvp.org/book/Series03/IIID-4/chapter-4.htm
http://www.crvp.org/pubs.htm
I have posted this before. it is only a minor starting point.
the basic message it this:
the cultures who have success and influence in the global world, are having a) global spreading, b) organized diaspora, c) organized cultural education with their own genuine literature and other means of education.
take a look at the jews. their diaspora is best known. they have very strong traditions, and they teach their children how to read hebrew literature, or at least english translation of the torah and talmud, which is a resource of a very coherent and versatile way of thinking and - DISCUSSION!
educational discussion that is very bold and open, on a good package of writings, has the best effect on making the next generation strong again.
same with the chinese. they will never abandon their graphic complex 'alphabeth' because it keeps their whole country and culture together, in spite of different spoken languages. this way of writing goes together with "geometric reasoning" and metaphoric transmission of ideas and concepts. to understand the writing, a student must learn the biggest part of the culture and resource of historic metaphors and anecdotes as well. this includes the big streams of world views like confucious, lao-tze (dao), and even buddha. ok not to forget maoism and more recent teachings of the modernized leading party
all this has been sorted into a greater "geometric" context that consists of an environment, and basic principles of life and action. it allows vast diversity and versatility, though the government does not put much focus on that in the open.
these cultures understand that their traditions together with wisely reacting to progress and reality, make the ground of their whole survival.
while the blacks are still in the process of writing their new cultural code and resource,
the filipinos already have very rich writings and knowledge, and even everyday behaviour does reflect rich traditions and cultural knowledge. just there is less consciousness about resources, than among jews and chinese.
IMHO the creation of "flip-towns" would not be of any help.
I would suggest that education must be enhanced with compilations of traditional cultural values as portrayed in the above crvp examples, and it should include a modern discussion also of the writings of dr. rizal, whom I see as a brilliant artist whose sarcastic and critical view about the society of his time appears very modern still today. his humor is a bit hidden, like always when artists create work under a totalitarian or feudal regime.
what must be sought is the method of "schooling", to accomplish this. like sunday school of some christian religions, and family book reading plus religios festive gatherings of jewish communities. it could start with st.cruzan, which is an opportunity to meet and teach cultural values. and never forget that the spanish regime and their clerus of the past wanted to root out older cultural values, much more than christendom itself would ever suggest.
the biggest strength to filipinos is their huge global experience, when 10 percent are living in other countries, and have intense contact to their extended families in the home country and elsewhere.
therefore, openness and compatibility, and human skills (e.g. maintaining harmony as an important principle) in interaction are part of this strength.
conscious teaching of their own ways of reasoning and obeying "values", and open critical discussion of all that too, would help to develop individuals and communities so they will also have better economic success and stability.
for instance, chinese, jewish, and turkish (in europe) communities most time know how to keep balance between internal economy (mutual business within the culture) and business with the outside world, so there is justice and success for all, without creating jealousy and hatred. it is not perfect, but compare with other communities and you will understand..
QUOTE (MisUnderstoodGenius @ May 21 2009, 07:09 PM)
the Chinese were also never colonized by a European power. That may account for the fact that they adhere more to their own cultural standards, as opposed to those of other ethnicities.
No, not quite. Even outside Hong Kong and Macau the European/foreign influence was relatively strong in the treaty ports. My grandparents grew up in pre-war Shanghai, which was a semi-colonial environment as the city was carved up into British, French and American concessions. My grandmother vividly recounts seeing a sign outside a park that read "No dogs, no Chinese".
fil chinese should be very grateful to marcos. they are now reaping the fruits and abundance of capital and loans from banks now owned by marcos cronies. one is a multibillionaire, the one they called capitan is one time one of the biggest tax evaders.
http://unladtau.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/o...shed-lucio-tan/
http://unladtau.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/o...shed-lucio-tan/
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Tuesday, May 22, 2007
CALIFORNIA DREAMING
By Carmen C. Hernandez
Lucio Tan Day in San Francisco
SAN FRANCISCO: The City of San Francisco and Mayor Gavin Newsom honored billionaire Lucio Tan by declaring May 11 “Lucio Tan Day,” and each May 11 in perpetuity. Tan personally received Newsom’s proclamation at ceremonies in City Hall. The tribute, a first for a nonresident civilian, cited Tan for his numerous contributions in fostering social, cultural and economic ties between Manila and San Francisco.
Where did the years go? Many Filipino Americans are surprised and saddened that Con-Gen Weng Sanchez’s tour of duty in the Bay Area is almost over. The gentle, unassuming consul-general was a driving force and a welcome presence in many, many Filipino events. Weng initiated many projects and innovations at the Philippine consulate. She is much loved and appreciated by the community and will be truly missed. Now, let the next Con-Gen top (if he can) her!
Eighty-five is a wonderful age if one has the genes and good health of Mama Doring (Adoracion) Sanchez, who celebrated another happy milestone last Sunday at Alido’s Restaurant surrounded by her six children, relatives and town mates from Pavia, Iloilo. Still spry and youthful-looking, Mrs. Sanchez enjoyed her meal and her guests while her children Anita Sanchez, Evelyn Callorina, Boni and Bernardo, Toni and Christina Sanchez-Padua took care of welcoming and seating people and seeing to it that the buffet table and drinks were adequately replenished.
Greg Macabenta and his “working” family are gearing up for their second Filipinas Magazine Achievement Awards celebration—the magazine’s 10th anniversary—on June 3 at the South San Francisco Convention Center.
Last year, the magazine changed hands from Mona Lisa Yuchengco to the Macabenta family and the latter immediately took charge of the 9th Achievement Awards production, which was a huge success. This year’s achievers include Antonio Meleto, executive director of Gawad Kalinga (International Achievement); Dr. Eleanor (Connie) Mariano, Rear Admiral, US Navy (Health Care); Jess Santamaria, Florida County Commissioner/Entrepreneur (Public Affairs); Dr. Sam Bernal (Science and Research); Steven Raga (Youth Leadership); Dante Basco, actor (Entertainment); Corazon Sanchez, vice president, Genentech (Corporate Leadership); Lloyd La Cuesta, South Bay Bureau Chief-KTVU Fox 2 (Communications); Milagros Yee and Clarita Go, founder, Goldilocks (Business Trailblazers); and Randy Gener, playwright/art critic (Arts & Culture).
The Assumptionistas’ afternoon event celebrating the canonization of Mother Marie Eugenie Milleret, founder of the Assumption schools, coincides with the Filipinas Magazine event. At last count, more than 100 alumnae will be attending the Mass/reception to be held at 3 p.m. on June 3 at Saint Veronica’s parish social hall. It was announced that any “old girl” who comes wearing the Assumption red plaid uniform will be given a special prize. Traditionally, every “Old Girls Day” (alumnae homecoming day) graduates return to join the celebrations at the Assumption wearing their old school uniforms. Even GMA goes back each October wearing her old uniform!
CALIFORNIA DREAMING
By Carmen C. Hernandez
Lucio Tan Day in San Francisco
SAN FRANCISCO: The City of San Francisco and Mayor Gavin Newsom honored billionaire Lucio Tan by declaring May 11 “Lucio Tan Day,” and each May 11 in perpetuity. Tan personally received Newsom’s proclamation at ceremonies in City Hall. The tribute, a first for a nonresident civilian, cited Tan for his numerous contributions in fostering social, cultural and economic ties between Manila and San Francisco.
Where did the years go? Many Filipino Americans are surprised and saddened that Con-Gen Weng Sanchez’s tour of duty in the Bay Area is almost over. The gentle, unassuming consul-general was a driving force and a welcome presence in many, many Filipino events. Weng initiated many projects and innovations at the Philippine consulate. She is much loved and appreciated by the community and will be truly missed. Now, let the next Con-Gen top (if he can) her!
Eighty-five is a wonderful age if one has the genes and good health of Mama Doring (Adoracion) Sanchez, who celebrated another happy milestone last Sunday at Alido’s Restaurant surrounded by her six children, relatives and town mates from Pavia, Iloilo. Still spry and youthful-looking, Mrs. Sanchez enjoyed her meal and her guests while her children Anita Sanchez, Evelyn Callorina, Boni and Bernardo, Toni and Christina Sanchez-Padua took care of welcoming and seating people and seeing to it that the buffet table and drinks were adequately replenished.
Greg Macabenta and his “working” family are gearing up for their second Filipinas Magazine Achievement Awards celebration—the magazine’s 10th anniversary—on June 3 at the South San Francisco Convention Center.
Last year, the magazine changed hands from Mona Lisa Yuchengco to the Macabenta family and the latter immediately took charge of the 9th Achievement Awards production, which was a huge success. This year’s achievers include Antonio Meleto, executive director of Gawad Kalinga (International Achievement); Dr. Eleanor (Connie) Mariano, Rear Admiral, US Navy (Health Care); Jess Santamaria, Florida County Commissioner/Entrepreneur (Public Affairs); Dr. Sam Bernal (Science and Research); Steven Raga (Youth Leadership); Dante Basco, actor (Entertainment); Corazon Sanchez, vice president, Genentech (Corporate Leadership); Lloyd La Cuesta, South Bay Bureau Chief-KTVU Fox 2 (Communications); Milagros Yee and Clarita Go, founder, Goldilocks (Business Trailblazers); and Randy Gener, playwright/art critic (Arts & Culture).
The Assumptionistas’ afternoon event celebrating the canonization of Mother Marie Eugenie Milleret, founder of the Assumption schools, coincides with the Filipinas Magazine event. At last count, more than 100 alumnae will be attending the Mass/reception to be held at 3 p.m. on June 3 at Saint Veronica’s parish social hall. It was announced that any “old girl” who comes wearing the Assumption red plaid uniform will be given a special prize. Traditionally, every “Old Girls Day” (alumnae homecoming day) graduates return to join the celebrations at the Assumption wearing their old school uniforms. Even GMA goes back each October wearing her old uniform!
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/m...070522lif7.html
QUOTE (trismegistos @ May 22 2009, 07:38 AM)
fil chinese should be very grateful to marcos. they are now reaping the fruits and abundance of capital and loans from banks now owned by marcos cronies. one is a multibillionaire, the one they called capitan is one time one of the biggest tax evaders.
http://unladtau.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/o...shed-lucio-tan/
http://unladtau.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/o...shed-lucio-tan/
Sourgraping makes good whine.
Gov’t loses P25-B tax evasion case vs Lucio Tan
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadl...se_vs_Lucio_Tan
“This court doubts whether any person, be rich or poor, can be criminally convicted on an extrapolation based on pure assumptions or an individual’s imagination, for otherwise, the presumption of innocence which is at the core of our criminal justice system would lose its sense of value and sensible attribute,” the court said.
Lucio Tan Scores Victory Before Supreme Court
http://www.pinoypress.net/2007/12/08/lucio...-supreme-court/
"In a 19-page decision penned by Justice Angelina Sandoval-Gutierrez, the High Court’s First Division found no prima facie evidence sufficient to warrant the sequestration of the shares of stock of Tan, et al. for allegedly being ill-gotten wealth. It noted that under Section 26, Article XVIII of the Constitution, an order of sequestration may only issue upon a showing “of a prima facie case” that the properties are ill-gotten wealth under Executive Orders Nos. 1 and 2."
QUOTE (orient @ May 22 2009, 10:11 AM)
Sourgraping makes good whine.
Gov’t loses P25-B tax evasion case vs Lucio Tan
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadl...se_vs_Lucio_Tan
“This court doubts whether any person, be rich or poor, can be criminally convicted on an extrapolation based on pure assumptions or an individual’s imagination, for otherwise, the presumption of innocence which is at the core of our criminal justice system would lose its sense of value and sensible attribute,” the court said.
Lucio Tan Scores Victory Before Supreme Court
http://www.pinoypress.net/2007/12/08/lucio...-supreme-court/
"In a 19-page decision penned by Justice Angelina Sandoval-Gutierrez, the High Court’s First Division found no prima facie evidence sufficient to warrant the sequestration of the shares of stock of Tan, et al. for allegedly being ill-gotten wealth. It noted that under Section 26, Article XVIII of the Constitution, an order of sequestration may only issue upon a showing “of a prima facie case” that the properties are ill-gotten wealth under Executive Orders Nos. 1 and 2."
Gov’t loses P25-B tax evasion case vs Lucio Tan
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadl...se_vs_Lucio_Tan
“This court doubts whether any person, be rich or poor, can be criminally convicted on an extrapolation based on pure assumptions or an individual’s imagination, for otherwise, the presumption of innocence which is at the core of our criminal justice system would lose its sense of value and sensible attribute,” the court said.
Lucio Tan Scores Victory Before Supreme Court
http://www.pinoypress.net/2007/12/08/lucio...-supreme-court/
"In a 19-page decision penned by Justice Angelina Sandoval-Gutierrez, the High Court’s First Division found no prima facie evidence sufficient to warrant the sequestration of the shares of stock of Tan, et al. for allegedly being ill-gotten wealth. It noted that under Section 26, Article XVIII of the Constitution, an order of sequestration may only issue upon a showing “of a prima facie case” that the properties are ill-gotten wealth under Executive Orders Nos. 1 and 2."
Tan helped allot of Fil-Ams..
If you have money you can buy the Justice System even if a Chinese-Filipino evades the tax he could still get away with it because he will just buy the judges and lawyers with his millions.
QUOTE (trismegistos @ May 22 2009, 09:38 AM)
fil chinese should be very grateful to marcos. they are now reaping the fruits and abundance of capital and loans from banks now owned by marcos cronies. one is a multibillionaire, the one they called capitan is one time one of the biggest tax evaders.
http://unladtau.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/o...shed-lucio-tan/
http://unladtau.wordpress.com/2008/05/17/o...shed-lucio-tan/
ha.. Marcos was just making his forebears rich.. see what I mean.. getting rid of the old spanish obligarchs & just replacing them with his own???? another thing-- I used to reaD THIS kind of commentary in Brit newspapers-- in their cAse they were talking about the Jews who migrated there in droves during the 1930's onwards.. to escape the Nazi's.. by the 1960's-- they were pillars of society leaving b ehind owning the local newsagent shops/local grocery stores.. then replaced by the Indians & Pakistanis..
My point is-- this is also the way the Chinese are-- they are self-enterprising, they work hard 24 hrs a day if need be .. they open restaurants.. the local takeaways (in London they got into owning fish & chip shops & doing it better than most Brits) & they do become part of the community.. yet not forgetting their own..
One thing I found about them-- as I met ones in London who just arrived from Beijing.. & this was the 80's-- they are sharp.. not a word of English & within mos.. they can speak it rather well..
I gave this quite a lot of thought-- why the
Chinese survives/ed all these thousands of years whilst their ancient contemporaries(except for India) have bit the dust centuries ago(if not eons)-- & here, one will find it in the
Basic chinese make-up -- their intrinsic character.. they are disciplined.. stoic,pragmatic & most of all resiliant.. they know when to bend & know when to be firm.. like the bamboo.. as they are proving it right now.. why they are once again rising to be a major global presence..
like Peter weller stated in this chinese doc as a prelude & prologue.. they were here since the beginning of time.. & they are still here..
the true history of china is only now becoming known to the outside world-- why historians are going nuts being there investigating it.. just from the terrocotta warriors they are finding so much what ancient china was able to accomplished .. some are at the library in the forbidden City-- so odd to find westerners disciphering ancient Chinese characters.. & yes they can read it.. amazing stuff being found now in cooperation with the goverment & their own historians & archeologists..
China was always pretty closed off to the West.. as it's so vast N & far(not anaccident only 2 ever invaded them successfully & from their northern fronteir.. the Mongolians & the Japanese).. even those Europeans & russians who were there in the 19th century never got to see all of China.. only certain cities & provinces.. most of all-- the chinese always well-protected what they call the Inner Kingdom-- BEIJING.. the Forbidden City.
China was always pretty closed off to the West.. as it's so vast N & far(not anaccident only 2 ever invaded them successfully & from their northern fronteir.. the Mongolians & the Japanese).. even those Europeans & russians who were there in the 19th century never got to see all of China.. only certain cities & provinces.. most of all-- the chinese always well-protected what they call the Inner Kingdom-- BEIJING.. the Forbidden City.
I hope that Philippines makes OPM in Hokkien other than the native lingos to compete with cantopop....
QUOTE (Suzuka00 @ May 24 2009, 10:33 AM)
I hope that Philippines makes OPM in Hokkien other than the native lingos to compete with cantopop....
Found this Chinese song, nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZiuXFzEyZQ
QUOTE (orient @ May 24 2009, 11:00 PM)
i really love chinese songs now-- though I wouldn't say this before just hearing their traditonal high pitch singing(Peking Opera--an acquired taste).. boy, some of them have such great voices & such great performers.. Faye wong, I Like Andy lau.. & most of all.. love this homage to Moulin Rouge.. this film called PERHAPS LOVE.. Jacky cheung has this wonderful baritone voice.. & Takeshi Kaneshiro doing his own singing too., considered one of the most beautiful men.. chinese/Japanese.. another wirth checking out.. the Chinese have this great traditon in dance.. also there's a musical number purely a take-off from Michael Jackson & it works too.
I find the music so haunting.. & just wonderful, directed by Peter Chan.. & won the top film awards that year.
another I like is Stephanie Sun..
QUOTE (Suzuka00 @ May 25 2009, 01:33 AM)
I hope that Philippines makes OPM in Hokkien other than the native lingos to compete with cantopop....
Even if made by a Filipino, OPM still has to be in Filipino or other Philippine languages / English.
OPM has to be in Filipino, but the idea of exporting Filipino culture to mainland China should be explored further, like franchising Filipino shows or translating books, and in this case songs.
QUOTE (taybenco @ May 25 2009, 12:36 PM)
OPM has to be in Filipino, but the idea of exporting Filipino culture to mainland China should be explored further, like franchising Filipino shows or translating books, and in this case songs.
you know some filipino musicians & singers are quite active working with HK artists.. like Andy Lau-- several of his musicians are Filipinos.. they perform wih him on record & in concerts.. but of course, doing his kind of chinese songs as Andy now composes.
as for films.. the director Johnny To.. one of HK's best directors uses Filipino bands in his movies.. usually in night club scenes.. like Election 2.. ( & others )..no mistaking it as they were even singing some Tagalog songs..
I love Johnny To films.. all his films are worth watching.
for To films.. check out.. the Mission.. his masterpiece..
as for China itself.. as I get CCTV9.. that's a harder market to break into.. but t heir artists a re now performing in the Opera Houses in Europe.. as the West discover Peking Opera. They have so many great singers.. & I find they have a great tradtion in dance.. hot dAMN- they ARE GREAT.. & the cheography so imaginative.
QUOTE (alexandra @ May 25 2009, 09:07 PM)
you know some filipino musicians & singers are quite active working with HK artists.. like Andy Lau-- several of his musicians are Filipinos.. they perform wih him on record & in concerts.. but of course, doing his kind of chinese songs as Andy now composes.
as for films.. the director Johnny To.. one of HK's best directors uses Filipino bands in his movies.. usually in night club scenes.. like Election 2.. ( & others )..no mistaking it as they were even singing some Tagalog songs..
I love Johnny To films.. all his films are worth watching.
for To films.. check out.. the Mission.. his masterpiece..
as for China itself.. as I get CCTV9.. that's a harder market to break into.. but t heir artists a re now performing in the Opera Houses in Europe.. as the West discover Peking Opera. They have so many great singers.. & I find they have a great tradtion in dance.. hot dAMN- they ARE GREAT.. & the cheography so imaginative.
as for films.. the director Johnny To.. one of HK's best directors uses Filipino bands in his movies.. usually in night club scenes.. like Election 2.. ( & others )..no mistaking it as they were even singing some Tagalog songs..
I love Johnny To films.. all his films are worth watching.
for To films.. check out.. the Mission.. his masterpiece..
as for China itself.. as I get CCTV9.. that's a harder market to break into.. but t heir artists a re now performing in the Opera Houses in Europe.. as the West discover Peking Opera. They have so many great singers.. & I find they have a great tradtion in dance.. hot dAMN- they ARE GREAT.. & the cheography so imaginative.
A competition with Cantopop is good....
QUOTE (Suzuka00 @ May 25 2009, 10:17 PM)
A competition with Cantopop is good....
no these filipino bands w eren't going cantopop style songs at all--if anything they were doing 1960's style singing.. my only point to mention is.. pinoy being featured & getting attention.. or at least a little in Hk films..
as for Andy?/ well, they have to adapt to Andy.. the key is Lau thinks they are good enough musicians for him to use & hire them. I've seen them playing in Andy's behind the scenes clips.. as I get andy's dvd's..
come to hink of it.. Hk films have used Manila a few times in their films..
like Andy .. in the ADVENTURERS doubling for Vietnam though some scenes taken at Manila Hotel.
THE SUSPECT with Louis Koo & simon Yam.. all major locales in Metro Manila.. all over the place.. Pasig River, Makati.. Camp Crame
then there's Fatal Vacation.. with Eric Tsang.. gosh I think it's Taal.. they went to.. not sure..
then
Wong Kar Wei's DAys of Being Wild. the last scenes.
now, I noticed.. they don't use it anymore..
like Andy .. in the ADVENTURERS doubling for Vietnam though some scenes taken at Manila Hotel.
THE SUSPECT with Louis Koo & simon Yam.. all major locales in Metro Manila.. all over the place.. Pasig River, Makati.. Camp Crame
then there's Fatal Vacation.. with Eric Tsang.. gosh I think it's Taal.. they went to.. not sure..
then
Wong Kar Wei's DAys of Being Wild. the last scenes.
now, I noticed.. they don't use it anymore..
QUOTE (alexandra @ May 26 2009, 02:41 AM)
no these filipino bands w eren't going cantopop style songs at all--if anything they were doing 1960's style singing.. my only point to mention is.. pinoy being featured & getting attention.. or at least a little in Hk films..
as for Andy?/ well, they have to adapt to Andy.. the key is Lau thinks they are good enough musicians for him to use & hire them. I've seen them playing in Andy's behind the scenes clips.. as I get andy's dvd's..
as for Andy?/ well, they have to adapt to Andy.. the key is Lau thinks they are good enough musicians for him to use & hire them. I've seen them playing in Andy's behind the scenes clips.. as I get andy's dvd's..
I meant it is better if our bands start to use hokkien as well in singing because hk already has cantopop....
hokkien is an interesting lingo...
QUOTE (Suzuka00 @ May 26 2009, 01:58 AM)
I meant it is better if our bands start to use hokkien as well in singing because hk already has cantopop....
hokkien is an interesting lingo...
hokkien is an interesting lingo...
why are you sooooo hung up with this Hokkien business??( this is what you accuse of my ancestor?? when you knew nothing about me!)
shoot, I don't think-- Hokkien is even that popular anymore-- this is all turn of the 2oth century stuff.. the Hokkien/fugian chinese who migrated to Malaysia, singapore Hk.. even Taiwan have all moved forward & adopted their own country by now.. Taiwan is Mandarin.. Hk- Cantonese.. very few Chinese really speak their own regional dialects..maybe the old timers.. like everyone else..
I don't hear of anyone doing Hokkien when I've been listening to Canto & Mando for several years now..
it's like saying people should speak Palawan dialect when everyone is speaking tagalog.. the way you're going..
now, do you even listen to canto pop?? & Mando?? I do.. there was a time I listened to it non-stop.. I have all of
Andy's music & his concert dvd's .. what the hell.. I like his singing- & he's a great showman.. even watched his concert in Vegas 3 yrs ago..
I find the Chinese can compose some very haunting music.. like the guy who did the music for crouching tiger.. he's the conductor for the HK Philharmonic.. & the cellist Yo_YO Ma..
I notice.. they colaborate with Japanese musicians/composers a lot.. like for Zhang Yimou films..
one thing I have noticed & it stands to reason-- the Japanese & Chinese easily lends itself to classical music--as their own traditional instruments are mostly strings.. same thing with the Indians. with that sitar.. it doesn't take much to focus the same energy learning to play western string instruments.. like cello, violin etc.. & why they keep producing classical child proteges..
listen to t he music for Perphaps Love.. it's totally wonderful.. often nI just run the movie to listen to the music..& I believe the conductor & composer of this is that conductor of Hk Phil.. i forget his name..I should check.
QUOTE (alexandra @ May 26 2009, 11:41 AM)
why are you sooooo hung up with this Hokkien business??( this is what you accuse of my ancestor?? when you knew nothing about me!)
shoot, I don't think-- Hokkien is even that popular anymore-- this is all turn of the 2oth century stuff.. the Hokkien/fugian chinese who migrated to Malaysia, singapore Hk.. even Taiwan have all moved forward & adopted their own country by now.. Taiwan is Mandarin.. Hk- Cantonese.. very few Chinese really speak their own regional dialects..maybe the old timers.. like everyone else..
I don't hear of anyone doing Hokkien when I've been listening to Canto & Mando for several years now..
it's like saying people should speak Palawan dialect when everyone is speaking tagalog.. the way you're going..
now, do you even listen to canto pop?? & Mando?? I do.. there was a time I listened to it non-stop.. I have all of
Andy's music & his concert dvd's .. what the hell.. I like his singing- & he's a great showman.. even watched his concert in Vegas 3 yrs ago..
I find the Chinese can compose some very haunting music.. like the guy who did the music for crouching tiger.. he's the conductor for the HK Philharmonic.. & the cellist Yo_YO Ma..
I notice.. they colaborate with Japanese musicians/composers a lot.. like for Zhang Yimou films..
one thing I have noticed & it stands to reason-- the Japanese & Chinese easily lends itself to classical music--as their own traditional instruments are mostly strings.. same thing with the Indians. with that sitar.. it doesn't take much to focus the same energy learning to play western string instruments.. like cello, violin etc.. & why they keep producing classical child proteges..
listen to t he music for Perphaps Love.. it's totally wonderful.. often nI just run the movie to listen to the music..& I believe the conductor & composer of this is that conductor of Hk Phil.. i forget his name..I should check.
shoot, I don't think-- Hokkien is even that popular anymore-- this is all turn of the 2oth century stuff.. the Hokkien/fugian chinese who migrated to Malaysia, singapore Hk.. even Taiwan have all moved forward & adopted their own country by now.. Taiwan is Mandarin.. Hk- Cantonese.. very few Chinese really speak their own regional dialects..maybe the old timers.. like everyone else..
I don't hear of anyone doing Hokkien when I've been listening to Canto & Mando for several years now..
it's like saying people should speak Palawan dialect when everyone is speaking tagalog.. the way you're going..
now, do you even listen to canto pop?? & Mando?? I do.. there was a time I listened to it non-stop.. I have all of
Andy's music & his concert dvd's .. what the hell.. I like his singing- & he's a great showman.. even watched his concert in Vegas 3 yrs ago..
I find the Chinese can compose some very haunting music.. like the guy who did the music for crouching tiger.. he's the conductor for the HK Philharmonic.. & the cellist Yo_YO Ma..
I notice.. they colaborate with Japanese musicians/composers a lot.. like for Zhang Yimou films..
one thing I have noticed & it stands to reason-- the Japanese & Chinese easily lends itself to classical music--as their own traditional instruments are mostly strings.. same thing with the Indians. with that sitar.. it doesn't take much to focus the same energy learning to play western string instruments.. like cello, violin etc.. & why they keep producing classical child proteges..
listen to t he music for Perphaps Love.. it's totally wonderful.. often nI just run the movie to listen to the music..& I believe the conductor & composer of this is that conductor of Hk Phil.. i forget his name..I should check.
Yup it's mandarin and cantonese that is popular...
I'm running Perphaps Love right now-- talk about a great, well executed film-- until this film I never knew the chinese were capable of western style musical film.. this is it!!!
as it turned out-- they have a great tradition in Dance.. such wonderful dancers.. Zhang Ziyi was trained in dance before she got into acting..
same with Michelle Yeoh who was trained in ballet at the London Ballet School.
the only Filipino singer the chinese really respect is Regine.. they take her seriously, I know Jacky Cheung was saying eulogies about her when they did an album a few yrs ago.
as it turned out-- they have a great tradition in Dance.. such wonderful dancers.. Zhang Ziyi was trained in dance before she got into acting..
same with Michelle Yeoh who was trained in ballet at the London Ballet School.
the only Filipino singer the chinese really respect is Regine.. they take her seriously, I know Jacky Cheung was saying eulogies about her when they did an album a few yrs ago.
QUOTE (alexandra @ May 26 2009, 11:58 AM)
I'm running Perphaps Love right now-- talk about a great, well executed film-- until this film I never knew the chinese were capable of western style musical film.. this is it!!!
as it turned out-- they have a great tradition in Dance.. such wonderful dancers.. Zhang Ziyi was trained in dance before she got into acting..
same with Michelle Yeoh who was trained in ballet at the London Ballet School.
the only Filipino singer the chinese really respect is Regine.. they take her seriously, I know Jacky Cheung was saying eulogies about her when they did an album a few yrs ago.
as it turned out-- they have a great tradition in Dance.. such wonderful dancers.. Zhang Ziyi was trained in dance before she got into acting..
same with Michelle Yeoh who was trained in ballet at the London Ballet School.
the only Filipino singer the chinese really respect is Regine.. they take her seriously, I know Jacky Cheung was saying eulogies about her when they did an album a few yrs ago.
This is the music video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DwxIkC4L6c
Regine and Jacky in NHK...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AmebtL3Ogs
I've seen it ages ago.
Jacky is soooo good in this film.. at first it was hard for me to take him seriously as a singer.. that he had this very serious side of him as I first saw him doing these silly roles in movies.. he did a lot with Andy.. like as TEARS GO BY for Wong Kar wei.. he looks more distinguised now he's gotten older.
I've s een this movie over 20 times-- & I can't believe how good it is.. perfect.. not one frame out of place..
Jacky is soooo good in this film.. at first it was hard for me to take him seriously as a singer.. that he had this very serious side of him as I first saw him doing these silly roles in movies.. he did a lot with Andy.. like as TEARS GO BY for Wong Kar wei.. he looks more distinguised now he's gotten older.
I've s een this movie over 20 times-- & I can't believe how good it is.. perfect.. not one frame out of place..
QUOTE (Suzuka00 @ May 26 2009, 02:03 PM)
This is the music video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DwxIkC4L6c
Regine and Jacky in NHK...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AmebtL3Ogs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DwxIkC4L6c
Regine and Jacky in NHK...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AmebtL3Ogs
i havent heard that song in forever lol. very good!
QUOTE (aznboy510 @ May 21 2009, 05:31 PM)
You are partially right. Parts of China was colinize by Europeon. Hong Kong was colonize by the British and Macau was colonize by Portugal. But China as a whole was never colonized. I think it might also be the fact that East Asian hates Western culture due to the past. China and Japan was a great and powerful nation before the European came. China was equilivent to America in its prime age until the British came and messed up the whole nation and forcing them to smoke opium which destroy all the pride and dignity it once had.
yes, you are correct. the boxer rebellion and what not.
lol the Europeans couldn't really invade China as it was/is so vast-- so they did it the devious way-- by trade. The British brought them opium(bloody devios bastards.. the Brits.. & the chinese took to it like duck to water).. & the others in the guise of so many other things.( Christianity for one). hence th Opium Wars & the Boxer Rebellion.. but unfortunately for china by then their naval forces was so antiquated ( many thanks for the frivolous lifestyle of the Last Qing
Empress.. the Chinese Marie Antoinette even worst as she ruled absolute-- Marie didn't) & the Europeans had the best.. China Lost.. why they had to give up certain sections of shanghai.. becoming Brit territory, French, russian even.. & on & On.. plus, giving up Hk,Vietnam..
the interesting thing about the chinese instead of destroying these Western monuments after they got hold of their city-- they didn't destroy it.. in fact.. today in shanghai.. they are so proud of what the Europeans left behind.. it's glorious architecture along the Bund.. & now, it's once again the hob of shanghai.. & proud that chinese now live in some of these European villas.. and God know the Europeans built the best of their architecture in Shanghai.. they really did.
interesting,too-- HK chinese preserved all these wonderful villas up in Victoria's Peak in HK.. instead of being pi**ed ff becoming a territory of Britain.. they are preserving all the Brits gave them.. from their road building (geez, reminds me of Oxford St) their Police ,hospitals, schools.. the only thing they took out is the UK emblem & pictures of the Queen..
as for music. as I'm still running Perhaps Love-- as a language-- chinese is realy quite expressive.. & can be succinct.. unlike say Tagalog.. all these syllables to say a word.. can be long winded..
Empress.. the Chinese Marie Antoinette even worst as she ruled absolute-- Marie didn't) & the Europeans had the best.. China Lost.. why they had to give up certain sections of shanghai.. becoming Brit territory, French, russian even.. & on & On.. plus, giving up Hk,Vietnam..
the interesting thing about the chinese instead of destroying these Western monuments after they got hold of their city-- they didn't destroy it.. in fact.. today in shanghai.. they are so proud of what the Europeans left behind.. it's glorious architecture along the Bund.. & now, it's once again the hob of shanghai.. & proud that chinese now live in some of these European villas.. and God know the Europeans built the best of their architecture in Shanghai.. they really did.
interesting,too-- HK chinese preserved all these wonderful villas up in Victoria's Peak in HK.. instead of being pi**ed ff becoming a territory of Britain.. they are preserving all the Brits gave them.. from their road building (geez, reminds me of Oxford St) their Police ,hospitals, schools.. the only thing they took out is the UK emblem & pictures of the Queen..
as for music. as I'm still running Perhaps Love-- as a language-- chinese is realy quite expressive.. & can be succinct.. unlike say Tagalog.. all these syllables to say a word.. can be long winded..
lol the Europeans couldn't really invade China as it was/is so vast-- so they did it the devious way-- by trade. The British brought them opium(bloody devios bastards.. the Brits.. & the chinese took to it like duck to water).. & the others in the guise of so many other things.( Christianity for one). hence th Opium Wars & the Boxer Rebellion.. but unfortunately for china by then their naval forces was so antiquated ( many thanks for the frivolous lifestyle of the Last Qing
Empress.. the Chinese Marie Antoinette even worst as she ruled absolute-- Marie didn't) & the Europeans had the best.. China Lost.. why they had to give up certain sections of shanghai.. becoming Brit territory, French, russian even.. & on & On.. plus, giving up Hk,Vietnam..
the interesting thing about the chinese instead of destroying these Western monuments after they got hold of their city-- they didn't destroy it.. in fact.. today in shanghai.. they are so proud of what the Europeans left behind.. it's glorious architecture along the Bund.. & now, it's once again the hob of shanghai.. & proud that chinese now live in some of these European villas.. and God know the Europeans built the best of their architecture in Shanghai.. they really did.
interesting,too-- HK chinese preserved all these wonderful villas up in Victoria's Peak in HK.. instead of being pi**ed ff becoming a territory of Britain.. they are preserving all the Brits gave them.. from their road building (geez, reminds me of Oxford St) their Police ,hospitals, schools.. the only thing they took out is the UK emblem & pictures of the Queen..
as for music. as I'm still running Perhaps Love-- as a language-- chinese is realy quite expressive.. & can be succinct.. unlike say Tagalog.. all these syllables to say a word.. can be long winded..
Empress.. the Chinese Marie Antoinette even worst as she ruled absolute-- Marie didn't) & the Europeans had the best.. China Lost.. why they had to give up certain sections of shanghai.. becoming Brit territory, French, russian even.. & on & On.. plus, giving up Hk,Vietnam..
the interesting thing about the chinese instead of destroying these Western monuments after they got hold of their city-- they didn't destroy it.. in fact.. today in shanghai.. they are so proud of what the Europeans left behind.. it's glorious architecture along the Bund.. & now, it's once again the hob of shanghai.. & proud that chinese now live in some of these European villas.. and God know the Europeans built the best of their architecture in Shanghai.. they really did.
interesting,too-- HK chinese preserved all these wonderful villas up in Victoria's Peak in HK.. instead of being pi**ed ff becoming a territory of Britain.. they are preserving all the Brits gave them.. from their road building (geez, reminds me of Oxford St) their Police ,hospitals, schools.. the only thing they took out is the UK emblem & pictures of the Queen..
as for music. as I'm still running Perhaps Love-- as a language-- chinese is realy quite expressive.. & can be succinct.. unlike say Tagalog.. all these syllables to say a word.. can be long winded..
lol the Europeans couldn't really invade China as it was/is so vast-- so they did it the devious way-- by trade. The British brought them opium(bloody devios bastards.. the Brits.. & the chinese took to it like duck to water).. & the others in the guise of so many other things.( Christianity for one). hence th Opium Wars & the Boxer Rebellion.. but unfortunately for china by then their naval forces was so antiquated ( many thanks for the frivolous lifestyle of the Last Qing
Empress.. the Chinese Marie Antoinette even worst as she ruled absolute-- Marie didn't) & the Europeans had the best.. China Lost.. why they had to give up certain sections of shanghai.. becoming Brit territory, French, russian even.. & on & On.. plus, giving up Hk,Vietnam..
the interesting thing about the chinese instead of destroying these Western monuments after they got hold of their city-- they didn't destroy it.. in fact.. today in shanghai.. they are so proud of what the Europeans left behind.. it's glorious architecture along the Bund.. & now, it's once again the hob of shanghai.. & proud that chinese now live in some of these European villas.. and God know the Europeans built the best of their architecture in Shanghai.. they really did.
interesting,too-- HK chinese preserved all these wonderful villas up in Victoria's Peak in HK.. instead of being pi**ed ff becoming a territory of Britain.. they are preserving all the Brits gave them.. from their road building (geez, reminds me of Oxford St) their Police ,hospitals, schools.. the only thing they took out is the UK emblem & pictures of the Queen..
as for music. as I'm still running Perhaps Love-- as a language-- chinese is realy quite expressive.. & can be succinct.. unlike say Tagalog.. all these syllables to say a word.. can be long winded..
Empress.. the Chinese Marie Antoinette even worst as she ruled absolute-- Marie didn't) & the Europeans had the best.. China Lost.. why they had to give up certain sections of shanghai.. becoming Brit territory, French, russian even.. & on & On.. plus, giving up Hk,Vietnam..
the interesting thing about the chinese instead of destroying these Western monuments after they got hold of their city-- they didn't destroy it.. in fact.. today in shanghai.. they are so proud of what the Europeans left behind.. it's glorious architecture along the Bund.. & now, it's once again the hob of shanghai.. & proud that chinese now live in some of these European villas.. and God know the Europeans built the best of their architecture in Shanghai.. they really did.
interesting,too-- HK chinese preserved all these wonderful villas up in Victoria's Peak in HK.. instead of being pi**ed ff becoming a territory of Britain.. they are preserving all the Brits gave them.. from their road building (geez, reminds me of Oxford St) their Police ,hospitals, schools.. the only thing they took out is the UK emblem & pictures of the Queen..
as for music. as I'm still running Perhaps Love-- as a language-- chinese is realy quite expressive.. & can be succinct.. unlike say Tagalog.. all these syllables to say a word.. can be long winded..
QUOTE (alexandra @ May 26 2009, 05:36 PM)
lol the Europeans couldn't really invade China as it was/is so vast-- so they did it the devious way-- by trade. The British brought them opium(bloody devios bastards.. the Brits.. & the chinese took to it like duck to water).. & the others in the guise of so many other things.( Christianity for one). hence th Opium Wars & the Boxer Rebellion.. but unfortunately for china by then their naval forces was so antiquated ( many thanks for the frivolous lifestyle of the Last Qing
Empress.. the Chinese Marie Antoinette even worst as she ruled absolute-- Marie didn't) & the Europeans had the best.. China Lost.. why they had to give up certain sections of shanghai.. becoming Brit territory, French, russian even.. & on & On.. plus, giving up Hk,Vietnam..
the interesting thing about the chinese instead of destroying these Western monuments after they got hold of their city-- they didn't destroy it.. in fact.. today in shanghai.. they are so proud of what the Europeans left behind.. it's glorious architecture along the Bund.. & now, it's once again the hob of shanghai.. & proud that chinese now live in some of these European villas.. and God know the Europeans built the best of their architecture in Shanghai.. they really did.
interesting,too-- HK chinese preserved all these wonderful villas up in Victoria's Peak in HK.. instead of being pi**ed ff becoming a territory of Britain.. they are preserving all the Brits gave them.. from their road building (geez, reminds me of Oxford St) their Police ,hospitals, schools.. the only thing they took out is the UK emblem & pictures of the Queen..
as for music. as I'm still running Perhaps Love-- as a language-- chinese is realy quite expressive.. & can be succinct.. unlike say Tagalog.. all these syllables to say a word.. can be long winded..
Empress.. the Chinese Marie Antoinette even worst as she ruled absolute-- Marie didn't) & the Europeans had the best.. China Lost.. why they had to give up certain sections of shanghai.. becoming Brit territory, French, russian even.. & on & On.. plus, giving up Hk,Vietnam..
the interesting thing about the chinese instead of destroying these Western monuments after they got hold of their city-- they didn't destroy it.. in fact.. today in shanghai.. they are so proud of what the Europeans left behind.. it's glorious architecture along the Bund.. & now, it's once again the hob of shanghai.. & proud that chinese now live in some of these European villas.. and God know the Europeans built the best of their architecture in Shanghai.. they really did.
interesting,too-- HK chinese preserved all these wonderful villas up in Victoria's Peak in HK.. instead of being pi**ed ff becoming a territory of Britain.. they are preserving all the Brits gave them.. from their road building (geez, reminds me of Oxford St) their Police ,hospitals, schools.. the only thing they took out is the UK emblem & pictures of the Queen..
as for music. as I'm still running Perhaps Love-- as a language-- chinese is realy quite expressive.. & can be succinct.. unlike say Tagalog.. all these syllables to say a word.. can be long winded..
can you stop double posting,meron rules against double posting,I know that you use dial up but you need to learn to wait and learn to edit your posts..
QUOTE (alexandra @ May 26 2009, 04:36 PM)
lol the Europeans couldn't really invade China as it was/is so vast-- so they did it the devious way-- by trade. The British brought them opium(bloody devios bastards.. the Brits.. & the chinese took to it like duck to water).. & the others in the guise of so many other things.( Christianity for one). hence th Opium Wars & the Boxer Rebellion.. but unfortunately for china by then their naval forces was so antiquated ( many thanks for the frivolous lifestyle of the Last Qing
Empress.. the Chinese Marie Antoinette even worst as she ruled absolute-- Marie didn't) & the Europeans had the best.. China Lost.. why they had to give up certain sections of shanghai.. becoming Brit territory, French, russian even.. & on & On.. plus, giving up Hk,Vietnam..
the interesting thing about the chinese instead of destroying these Western monuments after they got hold of their city-- they didn't destroy it.. in fact.. today in shanghai.. they are so proud of what the Europeans left behind.. it's glorious architecture along the Bund.. & now, it's once again the hob of shanghai.. & proud that chinese now live in some of these European villas.. and God know the Europeans built the best of their architecture in Shanghai.. they really did.
interesting,too-- HK chinese preserved all these wonderful villas up in Victoria's Peak in HK.. instead of being pi**ed ff becoming a territory of Britain.. they are preserving all the Brits gave them.. from their road building (geez, reminds me of Oxford St) their Police ,hospitals, schools.. the only thing they took out is the UK emblem & pictures of the Queen..
as for music. as I'm still running Perhaps Love-- as a language-- chinese is realy quite expressive.. & can be succinct.. unlike say Tagalog.. all these syllables to say a word.. can be long winded..
Empress.. the Chinese Marie Antoinette even worst as she ruled absolute-- Marie didn't) & the Europeans had the best.. China Lost.. why they had to give up certain sections of shanghai.. becoming Brit territory, French, russian even.. & on & On.. plus, giving up Hk,Vietnam..
the interesting thing about the chinese instead of destroying these Western monuments after they got hold of their city-- they didn't destroy it.. in fact.. today in shanghai.. they are so proud of what the Europeans left behind.. it's glorious architecture along the Bund.. & now, it's once again the hob of shanghai.. & proud that chinese now live in some of these European villas.. and God know the Europeans built the best of their architecture in Shanghai.. they really did.
interesting,too-- HK chinese preserved all these wonderful villas up in Victoria's Peak in HK.. instead of being pi**ed ff becoming a territory of Britain.. they are preserving all the Brits gave them.. from their road building (geez, reminds me of Oxford St) their Police ,hospitals, schools.. the only thing they took out is the UK emblem & pictures of the Queen..
as for music. as I'm still running Perhaps Love-- as a language-- chinese is realy quite expressive.. & can be succinct.. unlike say Tagalog.. all these syllables to say a word.. can be long winded..
Well the reason why the Chinese never destroy those villa, building, hospital,etc that the Europeon build is very simple. Is because what is the point. If you destroy it, you will need to build another one on top of it. If will cost you more money to destroy it and build another one that might not even be better. So they just kept it. Another reason is probably because the building is very nice.
A lot of things contributed to the fall of China. To the uprising, to the Europeon and you mixed that in with that damn Queen who spend all of the military money building her summer palace, etc. China in history had always been like that. They will rise to the top and fall. I guess it is true, what goes up must come down. The thing I really give China credit for is that they had been around for so long. China was considered one of the great ancient empire. I learn this in school. It was China, Mayans, Egypt, Rome and Persia. Where are they rest of them today. Rome and Mayan is gone. Persia became Iran, Egypt is still here . Both of these country is really poor and holds no power today what so ever. China is like the 2nd or 3rd most powerful country still.
As far as Filipino being in the Chinese media, there are some. The most famous one out of all of them is probably Alex To. Then there is this once actress that is pure Filipino but speak fluent Cantonese. Her name is Maria something, kind of fat. I am pretty sure there a few more.
Why are Chinese successful in the Philippines, easy, it is all about culture.
China is one of the world's great civilizations and the most ancient surviving nation today. Its people have a rich history and identity. We know who we are. Also, Chinese culture stresses entrepreneurialism, hard work, and perseverence. The ability to "Chi Ku" or "Eat Bitter" meaning to sacrifice and struggle in order to make a better tomorrow.
China today is rising once more, and you can bet that the world of Western domination is coming to an end.
The reason why Filipinos do not operate in the same way is because they were colonized by the Spanish, have a weak national identity (why are Filipinos always arguing if they are Asians or Pacific Islanders? Or they say they have Spanish or Chinese blood?). Filipinos have an inferiority complex to the West, and constantly measure themselves to Western standards. Of course, they will always fall short, so they feel inferior and have largely accepted this. The Spanish also left behind a backward, corrupt and superstitious society, just like the ones in Latin America. The Philippines operates the same way, this is why it's going to be difficult for it to move forward.
China is one of the world's great civilizations and the most ancient surviving nation today. Its people have a rich history and identity. We know who we are. Also, Chinese culture stresses entrepreneurialism, hard work, and perseverence. The ability to "Chi Ku" or "Eat Bitter" meaning to sacrifice and struggle in order to make a better tomorrow.
China today is rising once more, and you can bet that the world of Western domination is coming to an end.
The reason why Filipinos do not operate in the same way is because they were colonized by the Spanish, have a weak national identity (why are Filipinos always arguing if they are Asians or Pacific Islanders? Or they say they have Spanish or Chinese blood?). Filipinos have an inferiority complex to the West, and constantly measure themselves to Western standards. Of course, they will always fall short, so they feel inferior and have largely accepted this. The Spanish also left behind a backward, corrupt and superstitious society, just like the ones in Latin America. The Philippines operates the same way, this is why it's going to be difficult for it to move forward.
QUOTE (zhengchenggong @ May 27 2009, 04:47 PM)
Why are Chinese successful in the Philippines, easy, it is all about culture.
China is one of the world's great civilizations and the most ancient surviving nation today. Its people have a rich history and identity. We know who we are. Also, Chinese culture stresses entrepreneurialism, hard work, and perseverence. The ability to "Chi Ku" or "Eat Bitter" meaning to sacrifice and struggle in order to make a better tomorrow.
China today is rising once more, and you can bet that the world of Western domination is coming to an end.
The reason why Filipinos do not operate in the same way is because they were colonized by the Spanish, have a weak national identity (why are Filipinos always arguing if they are Asians or Pacific Islanders? Or they say they have Spanish or Chinese blood?). Filipinos have an inferiority complex to the West, and constantly measure themselves to Western standards. Of course, they will always fall short, so they feel inferior and have largely accepted this. The Spanish also left behind a backward, corrupt and superstitious society, just like the ones in Latin America. The Philippines operates the same way, this is why it's going to be difficult for it to move forward.
China is one of the world's great civilizations and the most ancient surviving nation today. Its people have a rich history and identity. We know who we are. Also, Chinese culture stresses entrepreneurialism, hard work, and perseverence. The ability to "Chi Ku" or "Eat Bitter" meaning to sacrifice and struggle in order to make a better tomorrow.
China today is rising once more, and you can bet that the world of Western domination is coming to an end.
The reason why Filipinos do not operate in the same way is because they were colonized by the Spanish, have a weak national identity (why are Filipinos always arguing if they are Asians or Pacific Islanders? Or they say they have Spanish or Chinese blood?). Filipinos have an inferiority complex to the West, and constantly measure themselves to Western standards. Of course, they will always fall short, so they feel inferior and have largely accepted this. The Spanish also left behind a backward, corrupt and superstitious society, just like the ones in Latin America. The Philippines operates the same way, this is why it's going to be difficult for it to move forward.
That is my point the colonizers gave the inferiority complex and the divide and conquer scheme.
cant agrue with that, SEE OTHERS KNOW. WHY CONTINUE IN DENYING YOUR PROBLEMS BACK HOME, FOOLS.
QUOTE (Mid-Night_Sun @ May 26 2009, 01:55 PM)
i havent heard that song in forever lol. very good!
you like Regine now..Don't you..
QUOTE (zhengchenggong @ May 27 2009, 04:47 PM)
Why are Chinese successful in the Philippines, easy, it is all about culture.
China is one of the world's great civilizations and the most ancient surviving nation today. Its people have a rich history and identity. We know who we are. Also, Chinese culture stresses entrepreneurialism, hard work, and perseverence. The ability to "Chi Ku" or "Eat Bitter" meaning to sacrifice and struggle in order to make a better tomorrow.
China today is rising once more, and you can bet that the world of Western domination is coming to an end.
The reason why Filipinos do not operate in the same way is because they were colonized by the Spanish, have a weak national identity (why are Filipinos always arguing if they are Asians or Pacific Islanders? Or they say they have Spanish or Chinese blood?). Filipinos have an inferiority complex to the West, and constantly measure themselves to Western standards. Of course, they will always fall short, so they feel inferior and have largely accepted this. The Spanish also left behind a backward, corrupt and superstitious society, just like the ones in Latin America. The Philippines operates the same way, this is why it's going to be difficult for it to move forward.
China is one of the world's great civilizations and the most ancient surviving nation today. Its people have a rich history and identity. We know who we are. Also, Chinese culture stresses entrepreneurialism, hard work, and perseverence. The ability to "Chi Ku" or "Eat Bitter" meaning to sacrifice and struggle in order to make a better tomorrow.
China today is rising once more, and you can bet that the world of Western domination is coming to an end.
The reason why Filipinos do not operate in the same way is because they were colonized by the Spanish, have a weak national identity (why are Filipinos always arguing if they are Asians or Pacific Islanders? Or they say they have Spanish or Chinese blood?). Filipinos have an inferiority complex to the West, and constantly measure themselves to Western standards. Of course, they will always fall short, so they feel inferior and have largely accepted this. The Spanish also left behind a backward, corrupt and superstitious society, just like the ones in Latin America. The Philippines operates the same way, this is why it's going to be difficult for it to move forward.
Nationalism can never exist in the Philippines because there are to many Ethnicities and Races in the Philippines which is like Brazil and I think China can never solve the problem of the Philippines for it is Marcos who started the problem because before the Marcos era, the Philippines was the richest and most technological advanced country in South East Asia. It was also Marcos who replaced the Spanish oligachs with Chinese oligachs by transfering their properties to them creating a cronie driven Marcos regime. If Marcos would only return the billions of dollar gold reserves which really belong to the Philippines, then this would be a big help.
The Philippines learned its lesson from history and it would not be decieved again. Remember the billion dollar ZTE deal where China was trying to buy out the Philippines the Filipinos reacted and it did the materialize.
QUOTE (aznboy510 @ May 27 2009, 04:12 PM)
Well the reason why the Chinese never destroy those villa, building, hospital,etc that the Europeon build is very simple. Is because what is the point. If you destroy it, you will need to build another one on top of it. If will cost you more money to destroy it and build another one that might not even be better. So they just kept it. Another reason is probably because the building is very nice.
A lot of things contributed to the fall of China. To the uprising, to the Europeon and you mixed that in with that damn Queen who spend all of the military money building her summer palace, etc. China in history had always been like that. They will rise to the top and fall. I guess it is true, what goes up must come down. The thing I really give China credit for is that they had been around for so long. China was considered one of the great ancient empire. I learn this in school. It was China, Mayans, Egypt, Rome and Persia. Where are they rest of them today. Rome and Mayan is gone. Persia became Iran, Egypt is still here . Both of these country is really poor and holds no power today what so ever. China is like the 2nd or 3rd most powerful country still.
As far as Filipino being in the Chinese media, there are some. The most famous one out of all of them is probably Alex To. Then there is this once actress that is pure Filipino but speak fluent Cantonese. Her name is Maria something, kind of fat. I am pretty sure there a few more.
A lot of things contributed to the fall of China. To the uprising, to the Europeon and you mixed that in with that damn Queen who spend all of the military money building her summer palace, etc. China in history had always been like that. They will rise to the top and fall. I guess it is true, what goes up must come down. The thing I really give China credit for is that they had been around for so long. China was considered one of the great ancient empire. I learn this in school. It was China, Mayans, Egypt, Rome and Persia. Where are they rest of them today. Rome and Mayan is gone. Persia became Iran, Egypt is still here . Both of these country is really poor and holds no power today what so ever. China is like the 2nd or 3rd most powerful country still.
As far as Filipino being in the Chinese media, there are some. The most famous one out of all of them is probably Alex To. Then there is this once actress that is pure Filipino but speak fluent Cantonese. Her name is Maria something, kind of fat. I am pretty sure there a few more.
you got my post mixed up-- first Iwas talking about shanghai.. what's so amazing is even after China became Red china-- they didn't destroy those blgs.. meaning they have respect for their past.. by nature the chinese are traditionalist- though they left those blgs in decay for decades.. as the rest of shanghai was left to get seedy & grotty on the most part as Beijing became the center under Mao.
the same thing happened too with Saigon-- I'm totally amazed the Kymers didn't burn down those French colonial blgs.. thank god for that.. that t hey didn't..
as for Hong Kong.. well, the Brits my have left but the Hong kongers left things the way it was under the Brits.. their structure etc.. in fact they improved on it.. they are not destructive-- they keep what was good & got rid of what wasn't..
and this is whay they have survived all these centuries.
PS: what I cannot understand is-- 3 centuries under Spain & Phil doesn't have much to show for it.. the best Cathyolic Catherals are in Macau built by the Portuguese.. in fact.. that's another place.. Macau.. they cleaned it up & maintained all those lovely Portuguese architecture left behind..
QUOTE (martin_nuke @ May 27 2009, 04:27 PM)
Nationalism can never exist in the Philippines because there are to many Ethnicities and Races in the Philippines which is like Brazil and I think China can never solve the problem of the Philippines for it is Marcos who started the problem because before the Marcos era, the Philippines was the richest and most technological advanced country in South East Asia. It was also Marcos who replaced the Spanish oligachs with Chinese oligachs by transfering their properties to them creating a cronie driven Marcos regime. If Marcos would only return the billions of dollar gold reserves which really belong to the Philippines, then this would be a big help.
The Philippines learned its lesson from history and it would not be decieved again. Remember the billion dollar ZTE deal where China was trying to buy out the Philippines the Filipinos reacted and it did the materialize.
The Philippines learned its lesson from history and it would not be decieved again. Remember the billion dollar ZTE deal where China was trying to buy out the Philippines the Filipinos reacted and it did the materialize.
Too many ethnicities and races ? Where were you when the teacher is talking about demographics?
And you're saying that Chinese-Filipinos became rich because of Marcos.
QUOTE (martin_nuke @ May 27 2009, 06:27 PM)
Nationalism can never exist in the Philippines because there are to many Ethnicities and Races in the Philippines which is like Brazil and I think China can never solve the problem of the Philippines for it is Marcos who started the problem because before the Marcos era, the Philippines was the richest and most technological advanced country in South East Asia. It was also Marcos who replaced the Spanish oligachs with Chinese oligachs by transfering their properties to them creating a cronie driven Marcos regime. If Marcos would only return the billions of dollar gold reserves which really belong to the Philippines, then this would be a big help.
The Philippines learned its lesson from history and it would not be decieved again. Remember the billion dollar ZTE deal where China was trying to buy out the Philippines the Filipinos reacted and it did the materialize.
The Philippines learned its lesson from history and it would not be decieved again. Remember the billion dollar ZTE deal where China was trying to buy out the Philippines the Filipinos reacted and it did the materialize.
I suppose Marcos is also the reason why ethnic Chinese are economically dominant in the rest of SE Asia? Fact is, the Chinese are more hard working, smarter and adaptive than the Spanish Filipino elite, who are a bunch of dinosaurs. It's no wonder why the rest of SE Asia is dominated by Chinese businessmen.
Who said China is trying to solve the Philippines' problems? China's is concerned only about its own interests.
The Philippines was the richest country in Southeast Asia only because it was an American colony. Soon after that, it deeply stagnated and regressed. Now, the Philippines is one of the poorest nations in Southeast Asia. Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia have all surpassed it, soon, Vietnam will surpass it quickly too, and probably rise to the top in SE Asia.
When the Philippines became the richest in Southeast Asia it was already an independent nation from a US commonwealth nation. The Philippines became independent in 1946 and became the richest in Southeast Asia in 1965.
China had been corrupting Philippine politicians before for its own interest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Na...ork_controversy
http://www.newsbreak.com.ph/index.php?opti...temid=88889066/
China had been corrupting Philippine politicians before for its own interest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Na...ork_controversy
http://www.newsbreak.com.ph/index.php?opti...temid=88889066/
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