Im a Chinese nationalist that is more or less wishywashy about the topic about taiwanese independence and I was wondering how taiwanese independence people feel about the father of the taiwanese independence movement(lee tung hui) being a j@p c@ck sucking sympathyizer, same with his protege chen shui bian. I dont have much against TI people but:
1) What do you think about DPP members like chen shui bian and annette lu visiting that japanese war memorial, isnt it an insult to both ROC war veterans and taiwanese civilians that suffered from them.

2) Would taiwanese independence supporters be willing to distance them selves from pro japanese elements of the independence movement like lee teng hui?

imo, i think that just for visiting that war shrine, those DPP members should be either hung from a tree or be exiled from taiwan forever

well i have a question for you, chinese nationalist. lol

do you support taiwan independent if the majority want it?

or

do you support eventual unification under multiple party, democratic system?



if you can answer the question, you know why people want independent from dictatorship government.

I, like many chinese would prefer he latter, but in the worse case scenario of taiwan independence occurs, I would support a independent taiwanese party that was friendly to china and be less inclinded to support an attack on taiwan headed by such a government because I dont believe in attacking other han chinese.
However, most of taiwan's current proponents of independence are also strongly projapanese(lee tung hui) and makes me support an attack on taiwan if DPP is headed by such a government because it could be used as a base for the japanese to attack china.

Of course.

"Taiwan independence" means independence from Japan, the USA, China, or any other nation. It means independence.

I have very bad news for a wannabe Taiwan nationalist like yourself. I just came back from Mainland China two weeks ago. I visited Shenzhen, Guangzhou, and Xiamen. During my visit in China, I purposely told all the Mainland Chinese all around me, that I was from Taiwan and I favored DPP. Mainland Chinese totally don't care, and continued to be very nice to me. They treated me as if I am a visiting Canada. Furthermore, most Mainlanders don't even know what DPP or KMT is in Taiwan. I had a very pleasant stay in China and will visit China again.
Without the current support of the Mainland Chinese, the KMT's quest for unification is dead. The current Mainland Chinese are not interested in have a pet lap dog KMT following them, they don't even know what KMT is and don't care either. Travel to China and see for yourself.

To answer Type52's question. What do you think about the KMT so desperately trying to sell off Taiwan's soveregty, computer secrets, military secrets , and economy to China all so that KMT can continue to stay in power? Don't you think these acts are such a dirty tricks? A DPP reps said it best " Mr. Ma, no matter how many times you try to be little yourself in front of Beijing, they will still not respect you, nor call you president."

I fully support the Lee Deng Fei and Chen's visits to Japan's war memorial. Anything they can do that will make you angry. I fully support it. I hope they pernamently set up camp and build a house in Japan if that will make you happy.

Furthermore, if you look at this site, every time a new post is posted only 35 people sees it, then the 2nd day it reaches 70 people. Planet earth has 6 billion , only 70 people reads your posts. A Chinese nationalist like yourself is a very small minority.

although the independent movement headed by lee teng hui, but he was a born KMT. so what does this mean?

and there is no reason to talk about independent nor unification at this point in time when both parties have a lot of thingss to sort out. ex. economy being first, social gap being 2nd, civil right being 3rd, etc..

Lee teng Fei? Are you sure you are from Taiwan and not Hong Kong? Are you Emily Lau by chance

That's irrelevant, actually.

It's China's government policy, and thus military policy, to have Taiwan brought back into the Chinese flock. It doesn't matter if the people know it or not. In fact, it might even be better if the people didn't know it, because many Chinese might actually sympathize with Taiwanese independence, LOL.

But don't worry. I think the age of outright military annexation might be dead. The best way to annex land is through economic means, with military as a backup. At the present rate it's going, I think President Ma is doing a very good job for China.

China keeps increasing the number of missiles pointed at Taiwan, continues to invest in aircraft carriers, and continues to invest in submarines, while the Taiwanese continue to become closer to China and build economic and travel ties. Already in his first year, Ma has laid out 101 sectors that Chinese investors can put their money in to ease investment dollars. Ma still has a few more years left in his Presidency, so hopefully he'll open Taiwan up rapidly for the Chinese to invest in, especially critical sectors crucial to Taiwanese sovereignty (e.g. banking and other financial institutions, military corporations, and ...hahaha....politicians' pockets ).

No, as a matter of fact, the reunification movement is dead if Taiwanese people stop voting for the KMT, as the KMT represents an eventual reunification with China. The fact that the Taiwanese voted in the KMT last year with a strong majority shows what Taiwanese really see as the truth.

The people had a taste of what the DPP was about for 8 years, almost all of that time during an worldwide economic boom. That was biggest gift to the DPP and they squandered the fact that the world was experiencing an economic boom. Not only did they squander it, but they lined their own pockets with money, all the while accusing the former KMT government of corruption. I'm not surprised the people rejected the DPP for the KMT.

Trust me, man. Taiwanese politics is messed up, both KMT and DPP. Both have their idiots, although the KMT seem to be more adept at governing than the DPP are, for now.




The same can be said of your post or even editorials in the Taipei Times (english edition). Those editorials are aimed at english speaking people to educate them on Taiwanese independence points of view. Yet if you look at the number of views for each editorial, it numbers in the low 100s or even less on average. You'd have to assume that most of the editorial views are also repeat/regular readers. In fact, I read them all too, so it's not as if every reader is a new reader to the Taipei Times.

In fact, nothing anyone says on message boards and editorials will be taken seriously.

True influence comes from being in politics and making the right connections. None of us, not you, not me, nor the poster you replied to will make a difference with our message board posts on Asia Finest. We're just trying to be arm-chair politicians.

What crap is Chinese people who sympathize with Taiwan independence, or allow it, this makes me sad.

To want Taiwan to reunite with Mainland is because I love Taiwan, not any other reasons.

If necessary PRC leadership should all resign and invite Taiwan leaders from whatever party to be the leaders.

(This has been offered during Jiang Zemin time to have Taiwan person to be number 2)

But if this is considered insufficient, then even number 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, up to 10, all can be taken up by Taiwanese people. Even there can be a surrender ceremony and CCP is disbanded and design a new country flag, or just adopt Taiwan flag, anything. As long as Taiwanese people dont keep thinking about "losing their independence" but think of it as an enlargement or a merge.

(I am not from PRC or ROC but have relatives living in both)

I think any arrangement is fine. As a matter of fact, PRC should give Taiwan way more leeway than HK arrangement, but eventually there should be one political unity, the form and modality doesnt matter. And I say this not because of any reasons, democratic or not democratic, it's because I see a political split as an important split. Political power must be unified.

If there is a difference in political philosophy, an arrangement can be made, like what is happening in HK now, no problem for people in HK to demonstrate, and no problem for HK newspapers to write anything they like. But it is important that Chinese people must be unified under one political power and under one nation.

Per your second question, if one day due to some events, the majority of Taiwan people want to declare formal independence, then I support all actions to stop this path.
But I have a better suggestion than this. I suggest PRC government to "surrender" first, so that it doesnt create the impression Taiwan is swallowed up or being "conquered". I support acts that can make Taiwan conquer PRC instead. Things like changing the flag, disbanding CCP or renaming it, appointing Taiwan leaders from 1 to 10, anything. And dont think only me is thinking like this, during Jiang Zemin time they offered number 2 position to a Taiwanese. I suppose it wasnt enough, in the future actually all gestures must be made, everything should be given.

The opinions of the Mainland Chinese and the USA is only revelevant opinions that exists in the Taiwan strait. Please do yourself a big favor and visit Mainland China. Two weeks ago, I saw and visit the wonderful cities of Xiamen, Guangzhou, and saw with my very own eyes, that the Mainland Chinese are becoming citizens with mentality of Hong Kongers, Tokyo, New Yorkers. They are only interested in making money, buying nice houses, nice cars, trendy new clothing, and new pop culture in Asia. Mainland Chinese are very nice to Taiwan visitor like myself, even though I purposely openly spoke that I favor DPP, just to see what their reaction was. They continue to be really nice to me, I was shocked. In fact, 75 percent of the didn't even know the political parties that make up Taiwan. Simply because it is just not important to them.

Yes, to answer your question regarding Beijing's military modernization. All countries modernize their military. Even the tiny country of England and France have aircraft carriers. China does the same , so what?! what is your point?
The south China sea is very rich in oil, natural gas and there is alot of shipping lanes there, major power like China , japan and usa all have large military stations there. I think China is just using decades old proprganda of Taiwan to justify military build up in the South China seas. Hey, how else do you think communist dictators are going to continue to stay in power if they don't repeat decades old proprganda?!!
The word unification is a thing of the past. It is very 1980's of you. Again, you CCL1 seems to be obcessed with Taiwan, I can tell you right now, Taiwan is just a small island, no one cares much about it, certainly not the mainland chinese . You wonder why Taiwan voted kmt last time, I think Taiwan is going to vote DPP in two years, since Kmt flat out lied and can't do nothing about the economy. The Taiwan residents is going to vote DPP, and the way Chen is jailed it reminded Taiwanese the repressions of the kmt in 1960's. Chen will be the poster boy as a myater. Since kmt took billions of political contributions, and only chen of DPP was jailed and not the kmt. The slogan of Taiwan for Taiwanese will be used in the next election. And the DPP will quickly win.
Mainland China is going to become as modern and beautiful as HK, and Japan, and NY. They have already ignored and forgotten KMT. How will the kmt win future elections?? What other lies and dirty tricks will the kmt pull? Kmt is a shameless little worm. kmt would steal from an old lady and lie on his mother's grave just to win elections in Tawian. one sad political party.

by the way, have you read the recent news on North Korea today? the US military is ready for any military Action in Asia. This goes to show you the US and allies is ready for military threats from even a nuclear powered country in Asia.

You are a strange girl. I just came back from China, I went to Xiamen. And 20 percent of the business in Xiamen is owned and invested by Taiwanese in China. And probably 50 percent of businesses in Shenzhen and Guangzhou is owned by HK. Taiwan and China already have good relationships. Taiwanese in China are already very good friends with Mainlanders.
Government officials on both sides are not going to mix, like what you said number 1,2, 3,4, because, government officials want to hang on to their money and power. They will not let foreigners of Taiwan enter their country. Do you understand this concept? For example, when Beijing gives out 500 billions dollars to build buildings and bridges in china, many of the local smaller governmental officials will keep the money for themselves and not share with the any foreign country like Taiwan. Therefore, the government officials of these two countries will not mix. and will not come together as one. They will only use each other's names and ideals to win elections or to keep control of the power that they already have.

As I said before, I don't care what the Chinese people feel. I don't care if they support reunification, support Taiwanese independence, or don't have an opinion.

The only thing that matters is what the Chinese government feels.

Frankly, I don't care if you went to Xiamen, Guangzhou, Chongqing, Timbuktu, Constantinople, and Sodom and Gomorra. The fact that 75% of the people you talked to didn't even know about Taiwan's political parties are in the CPC's interests. They don't want the people knowing too much about Taiwan.



My point is that the Chinese navy will soon be outflankin Taiwan. Taiwan will be surrounded. Even now, China's best attack is a frontal one, with Taiwan's east coast being spared of attack. That won't be the case in a decade.




I'm sorry...what military stations do Japan and America have in the South China Sea?

And China isn't your typical communist country. If you think so, you're the one that's greatly uninformed about the situation. You mentioned yourself that the people care only about shopping and the latest trends. That isn't usual in your typical communist country.



I don't care if unification is a word of the past. I love using it.

You greatly underestimate the value of Taiwan. It's not just a small island. If you really think so, speak to your typical Taiwanese citizen, and they'll tell you how wrong you are.

Also I don't wonder why the KMT won. I know why they won. And the KMT can do wonders for the economy. Taiwan became one of the Asian tigers under the KMT government in the 60s to 80s. Had it not been for the global economic meltdown that no one could have avoided, the KMT would be doing well now, or at least maintain the growth that the DPP government had.

Chen won't be a martyr. He stole billions from the Taiwanese people, as did his wife.

If the DPP wins, then they win. That's how it goes. But Ma still has another few years to go. With the global recession ending later this year or early to mid next year, Ma will have lots of time to make the Taiwanese economy grow again and people might forget about the recession.

Then he can enact laws to make it easier for the Chinese to invest in Taiwan. I love it!!!



Yeah, I agree with you. Both the KMT and DPP are idiots. Both are sad political parties. China should just take over Taiwan and get rid of those two dumb parties.

i doubt that offer.

however if the population want independent, that's none of everyone business.

taiwan doens't belong to ccp.

also, there is no reason to be independent now when taiwan is already independent. lol


also why can't Taiwan and China be like US and British?

both US and British are independent country but they are close ally like brother-brother.

ccl1, making statements like "i don't care what the mainland chinese feel." is just childish and ignorant of you. Without the mainland chinese, your "unification" is dead, no matter how hard kmt tries to push for it. I know you have not been to china recently. That is why you are making uneducated statments.
Chinese government is afraid of the mainland chinese, because, when mainland chinese riots, the government can do nothing, and it will all be caught on youtube. That is why the chinese government now listens to their people.
When I was in the hotel room, the TV programs in China, has programs in on Global warming, international news , which includes some HK and Taiwan politics. Mainlanders do see news from everywhere, they are simply more interested in their own country of mainland china. They don't have any ill intentions toward others ,like you toward others. Mainlanders are not hateful of any foreigners or political parties. They don't have a wicked tongue. Unlike ccl1, you try to twists the truth every chance you get. You throw alot of punches and very few lands, because of this.
Chinese navy is not going to outflank anyone. 3 major navys in the south china sea, us, japan, china, no one has the guts to do anything. And they all participate in military exercises together. China is not north korea. I don't see any war coming any times soon. Especially ,when they are all send ships to somilia to fight the pirates. Do turn on the TV sometime, you might learn something new.
And yes, mainlanders are only interested in shopping and dining in fancy restaurants, I saw it with my very own eyes. Obviously you have not.
Taiwan is irrevelant to china, mainlanders knows this, and their government is repeating decades old proprganda just for the sake of repeating them. And normal folks in china ignores government proprganda. If you can't handle this , that's your problem. The world will go on without you.
And yes, I do underestimate Taiwan's value to any country. All Taiwan residents knows that Taiwan is just a small country. However, DPP and kmT has been fighting for a long time and it won't end. It is your kmt's disadvantage, since you are the one who got kicked out of china in the first place, you have no place to go. China won't take you back, and dpp's won't stop assaulting you. Tough luck for you. For the past 5 decades, KMT has demonstrated poor leadership skills, they use threats , and fear tactics to rule, that is why it gave way for the DPP to come into existence. You have done it to yourself.
kmt's slogan is based on a lie, that they can change the economy. That is a joke! The world wide recession won't end for 10 years. Oh yeah, one little island of Taiwan , size of Hawaii is going to change the world wide recession?? You are one funny guy. Your posts are even better than what hollywood can make up. I think kmt is going to pay dearly for it in the next election.
Do you think Mainland chinese is going to invest in Taiwan?? That is very questionable. Last I heard ,there are some mainland chinese flying to USA and buying houses in the US for investment. I don't think Taiwan is on the top of their list.
When you get chance, do travel to China sometimes. You will enjoy youself in all the nice places to visit and all the cool people you meet. And you won't be making silly 1980's political statements here in this site.

That can happen, if Taiwan wasn't so close with America. I don't think that China could have the same trust level with Taiwan as US and Britain because there is a thorn called the USA in the way. Get rid of the US, improve trade relations and hopefully military co-operation, and if things go well then re-unification could be discussed in the future. China won't attack Taiwan unless Taiwan shows hostility first.

It's been a few hundred years since the civil war between the US and UK so what every bad blood they had is gone, but the Chinese civil war is still pretty fresh. With enough time things would probably normalize. PRC or ROC in the end we are still Chinese, it's stupid to fight over politics. The only people that will gain anything from this fight are the people watching on the sidelines.

CCL1, you have NEVER been to China before. I was just re-reading your posts more carefully. You are only repeating what I said, and rebutting based on my posts. You completely have no idea what the Mainland Chinese stands on the Taiwan issue, or should I say, Lack of interests on the part of the Mainland Chinese.
You have never been to China before, In real life, Do you even know any Mainland Chinese?? Have you ever spoken to one before?? Do you even plan to visit China? I seriously doubt you ever will in your life time. Then, why the heck should anyone believe your posts of Taiwan unfication??
Your posts are VOID. Since you have never been to China, don't have any plans to EVER visit. Then you are in no position to ask any foreign country of Taiwan to join China.
And all this time you are holling unification, you are as phony as a 3 dollar bill.
Kmt supporters are the biggest phonys when they post Taiwan issue. Just look at Newties21. She is still repeating the Jaing Jie Mins, offer of Tawian leader being 2 spot. Hell that offer was made 20 years ago. And look at poster who started this topic, type52, he is ranting about WWII, and japanese war cementery. He , you ccl1, and the rest of you kmt are stuck in the twilight zone, of the 1980's political scene. You are lost in your little imaginery world.
You are embarassing yourselves. You look like a shameless whore trying to join the CCP just to win elections in Taiwan.

Hey hanren,
I don't see Mainlanders and Taiwan citizens fighting at all. Actually , in real life they get along pretty well, both in China and Taiwan and elsewhere.
As for the DPP and KMT supporters that is a different story. There are huge rallys in Taiwan every few month, with each party trying to fight the other. DPP and KMT supporters are always on the verge of physically fighting and blood shed. If the Taiwan government is ever removed or fell, I can totally see DPP and kmt supporters killing each other in the streets. Go visit Taiwan sometime, you will see, riot police set up barb wires and riot gear every time there is a political portests. or anything regarding any political unrests. Taiwan's political parties are very explosive.

Ok man, Ok....

But I want to ask you something,

Why do you have funny spelling, "Lee Deng Fei" and "Jiang Jie Mins"

I never seen their names spelled that way.

(no matter what method)

Btw Im not from Taiwan or Mainland, just observer only.

newties21 is a girl?

wow

Mainland Chinese are not interested in unification? I smell bull$hit.....

Oh, and they were just nice to you because they wanted your money. Secretly, they hate your guts and think you are an @$$hole for bringing up politics in a sad, petty attempt to get a reaction.

Whenever I visit Japan and throw a lot of money around, people are always really nice to me and laugh at all my jokes. They also tell me how much they like China. Man, I must be one charismatic guy! ... or maybe they just want my money.



Too bad the DPP has proven themselves to be totally corrupt and inept. Oh, and by the way, you're a fu-king d!ck. I don't care if I get modded for it; anybody that supports visits to the Japanese war memorial just to piss off other Chinese is an @$$hole.



Huh? I don't get your logic. Are you saying that this site is the ONLY outlet for 'nationalists' and that there are no other media sources that share the same opinion? That's pretty faulty logic there.

Oh, and by the way, in case you missed it the first time, you're a fu-king @$$hole.

JohnnyReb,
yes, another kmt supporters who has NEVER traveled to China. You have just proved my point again and again. That kmt supporters NEVER travel to china, and has no plans to. It all makes me wonder WHY are you promoting unification when you have NO intentions of even Traveling to China for even one day?!! Your post is VOID.
And Yes, I totally smells bullsh*t, every time kmt supporters mentions unification and don't even have plans to travel to China yourself.
I will take the time to try answer why mainland Chinese are not interested in the word unification with Taiwan. When I was in China last month. I saw large cities, tall buildings, fantastic modern chinese pop culture. There are businesses expos (many countries foreigners go to china to buy products). 30 expos in just one city of Guangzhou. China is a large country and their people is very into themselves. There are many things all going on in china all at the same time.
Mainland chinese have lives. Obviously , your kmt supporters don't. The phrase "go get a life" really applies to kmt supporters.
A rich and prosperous Mainland China is not going to want a useless sidekick (kmt) buzzzing around like a fly. Just like the rich and powerful USA is not going to be interested in the Political organizations of small countries like columbia.
When I was in China, the mainland chinese often told me which provience they are from and some of the interesting sites to see in their home cities. They will often try to say which kind of language they speak at their provience. Some mainland chinese even complain to me about their government too. Another mainland chinese said, he was happy that chinese food is very popular in America.
Do yourself a favor johnny reb, travel around, or else , you are just embarassing yourself.

Continue,
for Johnny Reb,
You said you have traveled to Japan? I know you are lying right now.
When I traveled to Japan, they are the most un friendly and racist people I have ever met. At the airport, they don't want to exchange, Taiwan, vietnam, mainland chinese money, thailand. They don't consider these currency as worthy currency to exchange.
Foreigners in japan has to live in special areas, called Gaigen houses. When any foreigners try to rent an apartment, the japanese real estate agents will ignorne them and give them an arrogant looks. I know, because I have tried many many times to rent houses in japan.
And in japan, the japanese don't generally socialize with foriegners. And I am asian, when I walk around in Tokyo I blend in well, but the second I open my mouth to say something, all the japanese will pull back and treat me more cold, and more distant than they would treat each other.
I would say 10 percent of the restaurants in japan today have signs that say. Foreigners not allowed unless accompany by a japanese person.
Don't say you have been to japan. I know you have NOT.
I don't think you have even left your house in the past 10 years.

LOL



Well you have to take into account that the Japanese treated the Taiwanese much better than they did the Koreans (Oppression/Colonization) and Mainland Chinese (MDK). Many Taiwanese just went along with Japanese rule, and the Japanese were cool with it because

A) Occupation was early and so the Japanese had better morale/energy

B) A lack of resistance means that less push, and thus less shove from the Japanese.

There was initial opposition to Japan, but let's face it, it wasn't anything to brag to your grandkids about. Eventually the Taiwanese just rolled with it. Remember, there was a Nanjing Massacre, but not a Taipei Massacre.

You're an idiot. You call me a KMT supporter? Do you have any idea how stupid you sound when you can't even do simple reading comprehension? Learn to read. You might also want to read somebody's other posts before making stupid assumptions.

You claim that I've never been to Japan? Well, here is a post I made while hanging out in a Japanese internet cafe back in April:

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/index.php?...p;#entry4203747

Please ask the webmaster to verify the IP address. He will tell you that it originated from Tokyo.

Regarding your claims about Japan, what in the hell is a "Gaigen house"? I have never even heard of that. I couldn't even find anything for it on Google. I have also dined at many Japanese restaurants and have never once seen a single sign that excludes non-Japanese. You are completely full of $hit. Japanese worship white people, it is true and they can be rude to other Asians. However, once you start flashing money around, things change. It doesn't mean they like you. The same goes in Mainland China. That was my original point: that just because Japanese people can be nice to you, it doesn't mean they like you; same with Mainlanders.

Finally, your statement "A prosperous China doesn't want Taiwan" is stupid. There are military and strategic reasons why China wants Taiwan.

Oh, and by the way, in case you forgot: You're an @$$hole.

Lee Tenghui has the biggest Chinese inferiority complex in the whole world. He declared during his presidency that the Diaoyutai Islands belong to Japan. Numerous times he and Chen said Taiwan might be better off as a state or Japan or USA. Taiwanese independence is just another saying for Japanese/American-wannabe.

Liar!
Lee never did. During his administration he send protesters to Diaoyutai.
The same goes for Chen. During his administration. He send several ships of protesters to protest Japan, when Japan build a light house on the Diaoyutai islands. I still remember the news. 40 protesters fell in the water and drowned.

Ma is the biggest whore for Beijing. Even when mainland chinese ignore him and Beijing refuses to meet with him. Ma still wags his tail at Beijing at every chance he gets. He is the biggest whore for Beijing. KMT is the shameless whore for the CCP.

Cut your fucking bullshit.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0WD...30/ai_93437865/

Deep Green, pro TI Taipei Times

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/archives/2...0/21/0000176513

Japan Times

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20020927b4.html

is Lee learning Chinese simplified yet?

Same to you.
It was your kmt dictator Chiang kai Sheck who GAVE japan the Diayutai islands in the first place. He was so weak and fearful of the japanese , he publically gave away the island.
and posting news of lee and chen who conflicted on their opinions of the Diayutai island only makes your argument weaker too.

I got news for you. When you walk around in mainland China, no one knows or care about the Diayutai island. You don't have the support of the Mainlanders. They are more interested in becoming more modern themselves. They have forgotten about you and the kmt whores. You can go do your whoring somewhere else.

irrevelant, no one cares about characters writing in Asia. They only care about money.
I bet you are another kmt who has never actually visited China.

Frailty, thy name is Taiwan.

The ROC has always depended on others for its own security. Singapore, at least, stands as a beacon of success, a testament to Chinese intelligence and order. I am proud to let Singapore be independent, because the Singaporeans obviously know how to take care of themselves and to earn face for the Chinese race. Taiwan? Taiwan is a failed nation, a lapdog of America, where fools like Chen Shui-bian and Lee Deng-hui can double talk and condescend upon their fellow Chinese while looking up to the great Americans and Japanese. What a bunch of fu-king losers.

Taiwan does not deserve its independence. As long as it exists, people can point and say, "look - China can't even take back a small island. China is a toothless tiger"; all the while, they laugh at Taiwan for the mess that it calls politics and for its inferiority complex vis-a-vis Japan and the West.

As for what the mainland Chinese thinks, the general rule is apathy - it's not that we don't care about Chinese unity, it's that Taiwanese really don't even deserve to be called Chinese by the way they act. Still, we'll take you back, if only for the loyalists.

lol. the ignorance.

what a joke. Chiang never did give up Diaoyutai. that's why today KMT still claiming it as its territory.

after all the scandals of corruption, mismanagement of economy, money laundering, rape, male rape, of the DPP politicians. there are still idiots like you that support it.

Haha... good one, SkyLegenD!

your the joke. Chiang gave up all foreign policies. He was weak and too afraid to deal with foreigners. He gave away to right to even mention Diayutai islands. I know, because when I was in the 1 st grade elementery school Chiang passed away. I saw his funeral on TV. This was all before the internet evolution. I am aware of how weak and useless of a dictator he was. Furthermore, kmt's foreign policy did change, during Chiang's time, he want to fight China. And now the KMT wants to be CCP's llittle whore. A complete 180 degree change in policy.
I am laughing very hard, if Chiang could see his kmt today. The little wannabe whore for the CCP. I am very happy the kmt is so weak today.
The kmt has more corruptions ,scandals than all other political parties combined on earth. In fact, kmt is very famous for having sex with farm animals, water buffalos, pigs, goats...anything that swim, crawl and fly. Once a whore, always a whore.

Sour grapes?!! That is what I thought! ha ha ha! . Beijing couldn't Taiwan if it wanted to. Too afraid of the white man USA. Too bad for you. Mainland Chinese don't care period...without any conditions. I know, because I just came back from China a month ago. They are smarter than you. They don't waste their time on Nonsense.
Singapore is joke, just like you. They are sourrounded by Muslim mayalsians who hate chinese and murder chinese men and rape chinese women. Singapore can't even get independence from the mayalsian muslims who live with you. What a joke!
The USA is the biggest baddest gun of the west. We can wipe you out in 2 seconds. And have enough nukes to wipe out 25 earths. There is nothing you can do, but to sit down and shut up, or else I will have to slap you again.

you do realize you only need enough nukes to destroy the earth once over right. You are right the USA is the baddest gun in the west and they've been shooting too many people, and they better hope to god the have enough bullets.

ll

Regardless of whether the US is "the biggest baddest gun of the west," Taiwan is still a disgrace that depends on the white man to survive.

You are a disgrace, you are trying to sell out Taiwan to the communists. You kmt whores are the biggest losers , you are a whore's whore.
I do also enjoy see you singaporian getting treated like trash by the malaysians. You will always be a 2nd class sub human to the malaysians, who dominate Singapore. ha ha ha!

I'm not KMT, and frankly I don't like them because they were partly responsible for Taiwan's separation from China these past fifty years. But today, at least, they're for Chinese unification whereas the DPP is not, so I have to give them some props for that. As for selling Taiwan to the communists - better than selling it to the Americans or the Japanese.

I don't care what you are. Do you enjoy bending over for the CCP? Do you enjoy spreading your legs open for the CCP?
yes, you do, I know a good whore when I see one.
Even , the mainland chinese won't do that! hell, mainlanders will critize CCP when necessary.
You are just a whore for the CCP, Who can respect a whore??

And when Did America or Japan ever requested Taiwan to join them??? Are you making up imaginery news??
There are many countries all over the world who wants to join america by themselves. Everyone wants to go to America. Are you jealous?? Sour grapes?? You are quite pathetic! You loser!

I don't care about the CCP. Unifying and strengthening the Chinese nation is what matters. The DPP stands as an obstacle to that, and therefore I oppose them. As for the CCP, they are doing a passable job, at the present, so I will tolerate them. I would prefer a better government, but not one that sells China and Chinese out to foreign powers, which is what the DPP does.



The real loser is the parasite that attaches itself to the successful nations of the world because it is unable to support itself.

After reading your sorry pathetic post. It is obvious you have never traveled to China before! You're a stupid guy.
Mainland Chinese don't even call themselves Chinese. They refer to themselves as the middle kingdom residents. 2nd, when you talk to people in China. They will usually say they are from a certain city or provience, and they disregard other mainland who come from the villages. Which means the city folks look down upon the country folks. And finally, they don't give a sh*t about unifying with anyone. They are only interested in making money, and are proud that their cities are turning into rich metorpolitican areas. A rich china are not interested in having side kick like kmt following them around like dog. Get your realities straight!
It is also obvious , you know nothing about the DPP. The DPP exists to fight the KMT. That is their main purpose.
And since you don't live in the FOREIGN country of Taiwan. It is no concern of yours. And as a DPP supporter. I would say to you. What part of the word "No" don't your understand?? Go look up in the dictionary if you don't understand the meaning of the word. You have a mind of a serial stalker. Do you try to follow women around too? I am sure the police will soon catch you.
Are you addicted to the word "Taiwan"? Is Taiwan a drug for you? like opium?? Go check into a mental hospital if you are addicted to the word Taiwan! Get a life! you loser!

Eidolon is obcessed with the word "unifying". Hey, since you like to unify so much, you can come to San Francisco. There are many gay men with HIV who would LOVE to unify with you 24/7.
Don't ever mention the word 'unify' to DPP like me. We are straight men. We are not perverted like you.

I have never traveled to China? That's a laugh. Please, be wrong some more; it shows how ridiculously deluded you are.

As for the average Chinese person - the average Chinese person, like the average person in any country, does not care about politics. But politics care about them, as shown again and again throughout history. The average Chinese person might pretend that politics don't affect them, but when the enemies come scaling over the walls, they'll be the ones who suffer. Consequently, just because the average Chinese person does not care about an issue does not mean that issue is not important. In the end, it is always the leaders of a country that make its rules - the masses can simply be led.





You are a sniveling, pathetic little traitor who supports a party that exists to weaken the Chinese nation, and which has proven itself to be corrupt, inept, and foreign-aligned. It is people like you who encourage non-Taiwanese like me to support the KMT - because the alternative is just oh-so-much-worse. I would say more, but the truth is, you can't even formulate a rational argument if you tried. Like the party that you belong to, you're just a drama queen who pretends that insults, fisticuffs, and slogans are substitutes for real politics. You know nothing, and therefore deserve no more of my time.

Really?! Then why hasn't Hu met Ma in person yet? It has been a long since the kmt won the election? Why hasn't the two leaders met?? Are they waiting for the sky to fall on their heads?? I will tell you why, it is because Chinese government don't care about Ma, kmt , Taiwan. Period! Ma is irrevelant and his ideals of "unifying" is simply nonsense. Chinese government and Chinese in China don't care about it. They got better things to do. Since China don't care about unifying, and DPP don't either. Then why should you?? The masses can be led?? I don't think so. If the CCP don't promote a growing economy. The mainlanders will rise up and remove CCP.

Eidolon, the little weasel trying to stir up fights between different groups of Asian. Shame on you, you are parasite of Asia. Trying to sell out Taiwan sovergty will start fights in Taiwan. Trying to remind the Mainlanders of how kmt left china will make them feel uncomfortable. Trying to take advantages of others so that kmt will continue to exist. That is very sneaky of you. That is very japanese of you. And don't try to pretend you are not kmt. You are the 2nd generation kmt who moved out of Asia, with the stolen money your parents stole from both Taiwan and China. You don't deserve anyone's time. And neither does the kmt , that is why Beijing never bother to meet Ma.
Ma is a troll.