was talking to a friend about dating and how if i bought home a white girl they wouldn;t be too happy since i come from a very old school and traditional family.

i told this to 2 friends one girl and one guy. both are chinese, and they both said ah why not. and i told them my reason. they said white girls or people are generally more open minded. i didn;t ask them what they meant by that reason. but what do they mean by more open minded or what do you think that means.
are white canadian ppl generally more open minded than asian ppl. and if so how so and in what ways.

open minded doesnt have to mean no values.
Im white and treasure the old school old fashioned values. Alot of them do.
Open minded could mean opened to learn from different people such as from different cultures, or could mean opened to try new things and those things does not have to mean perversion things, but could mean open to try sports, hobbies, different friends, open to try to understand people and there beliefs of philosophie and open to respect others, but could also have values , boundaries , lines drawn at some point of things of when to stop and draw the line in things.

White people are all different, different walks of life, different beliefs,in USA

Also we have traditions too, especially christians, our traditions are Holidays like Christmas and we have traditional weddings, baptisms,family reunions and we even have family harelooms, such as things we hold on to that our grandma made, what we came home from the hospital in when we were born and stuff.

We also value our ansestors, our familys.

Some of us like to hold on to old fashioned ways of being a woman, like being home with the kids, taking care of the family, baking good pies, woman in this culture also still croshet and sew.

jobo?

ya just now figured this out?

lolol

hmm...open minded? this is on yahoo!'s front page today:

Dating 101: Dealing With the Race Factor.

The article's title is a little misleading. It appears that it's about interracial dating in general; however, it's more slanted towards why white women do NOT want asian men. sorry.

good post.


there are articles out there for race against interracial dating.
I do think white women are more open to interracial dating than black women, but not sure about asian women.

maybe more open minded to pedophilia and other perverted $hit

Black chicks are the most open to interracial dating but unfortunately a lot of guys don't like them. White women are the most prone to dating inside their race (as you can see with statistics).

I think alot of it has to do with how one was raised plus elements of cultural influences, social class differences and finally generation differences (it seems its mainly older folks who find it more difficult to accept cross racial and or cross ethnic relationships).

I found this article too.


Multiracial people become fastest-growing US group
By HOPE YEN,


– Multiracial Americans have become the fastest growing demographic group, wielding an impact on minority growth that challenges traditional notions of race.
The number of multiracial people rose 3.4 percent last year to about 5.2 million, according to the latest census estimates. First given the option in 2000, Americans who check more than one box for race on census surveys have jumped by 33 percent and now make up 5 percent of the minority population — with millions more believed to be uncounted.
Demographers attributed the recent population growth to more social acceptance and slowing immigration. They cited in particular the high public profiles of Tiger Woods and President Barack Obama, a self-described "mutt," who are having an effect on those who might self-identify as multiracial.
Population figures as of July 2008 show that California, Texas, New York and Florida had the most multiracial people, due partly to higher numbers of second- and later-generation immigrants who are more likely to "marry out." Measured by percentages, Hawaii ranked first with nearly 1 in 5 residents who were multiracial, followed by Alaska and Oklahoma, both at roughly 4 percent.
Utah had the highest growth rate of multiracial people in 2008 compared to the previous year, a reflection of increasing social openness in a mostly white state.
"Multiracial unions have been happening for a very long time, but we are only now really coming to terms with saying it's OK," said Carolyn Liebler, a sociology professor at the University of Minnesota who specializes in family, race and ethnicity.
"I don't think we've nearly tapped the potential. Millions are yet to come out," she said.
In Middletown, N.J., Kayci Baldwin, 17, said she remembers how her black father and white mother often worried whether she would fit in with the other kids. While she at first struggled with her identity, Baldwin now actively embraces it, sponsoring support groups and a nationwide multiracial teen club of 1,000 that includes both Democrats and Republicans.
"I went to my high school prom last week with my date who is Ecuadoran-Nigerian, a friend who is Chinese-white and another friend who is part Dominican," she said. "While we are a group that was previously ignored in many ways, we now have an opportunity to fully identify and express ourselves."
The latest demographic change comes amid a debate on the role of race in America, complicating conventional notions of minority rights.
Under new federal rules, many K-12 schools next year will allow students for the first time to indicate if they are "two or more races." The move is expected to cause shifts in how test scores are categorized, potentially altering race disparities and funding for education programs.
Five justices of the Supreme Court have signaled they would like to end racial preferences in voting rights and employment cases — a majority that may not change even if Sonia Sotomayor is confirmed as the first Hispanic justice. Blacks and Hispanics, meanwhile, are touting a growing minority population and past discrimination in pushing for continued legal protections.
Left out of the discussion are multiracial people, who are counted as minorities but can be hard to define politically and socioeconomically. Demographers say that while some multiracial Americans may feel burdened or isolated by their identity, others quickly learn to navigate it and can flourish from their access to more racial networks.
"The significance of race as we know it in today's legal and government categories will be obsolete in less than 20 years," said William H. Frey, a demographer at Brookings Institution.
"The rise of mixed-race voters will dilute the racial identity politics that have become prevalent in past elections," he said.
Liebler noted a potential dilemma where a white student who is one-eighth Cherokee applies to college and seeks an admissions preference based on race and disadvantaged status. Should the college give the multiracial student the boost, if one-eighth of his family suffered a past racial harm but seven-eighths of his family were the perpetrators?
"It's a huge question for our legal system and our policies," she said. "Tomorrow we could have a legal case that challenges whether a multiracial person is a minority."
Census data also show:
_More than half of the multiracial population was younger than 20 years old, a reflection of declining social stigma as interracial marriages became less taboo.
_Interracial marriages increased threefold to 4.3 million since 2000, when Alabama became the last state to lift its unenforceable ban on interracial marriages. (The Supreme Court barred race-based restrictions on marriage in 1967.) About 1 in 13 marriages are mixed race, with the most prevalent being white-Hispanic, white-American Indian and white-Asian.
_Due to declining immigration because of legal restrictions and the lackluster economy, the growth rates of the Hispanic and Asian populations slowed last year to 3.2 percent and 2.5 percent, respectively, compared to multiracial people's 3.4 percent. The black population rose at a rate of about 1 percent; the white population only marginally increased.
Currently, census forms allow U.S. residents to check more than one box for their race. But there is no multiracial category, and survey responses can vary widely depending on whether a person considers Hispanic a race or ethnicity.
"It's all about awareness," said Susan Graham, founder and executive director of California-based Project Race, which advocates for a multiracial classification on government forms. "We want a part of the pie chart."
The 2008 census estimates used local records of births and deaths and tax records of people moving within the U.S. The figures for "white" refer to those whites who are not of Hispanic ethnicity. For purposes of defining interracial marriages, Hispanic is counted as a race.
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On the Net:
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Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090528/ap_on_...acial_americans

good article henry, thankx.

Your welcome kay!

Basically yes because historically europeans are much less inclined to superstition, long legacy of rational scientific debate etc etc

In the Netherlands international students will learn about Trompenaar's analysis, a culture model. They will also learn the culture model of Hofstede, both dutch consultants. The models are used internationaly.

Trompenaar uses different dimensions to describe the cultures and analysed all countries by studying 15000 managers from all over the world. Here is an article about emotional countries:

World’s Most Emotional Countries
Communication Styles also Differ by Culture

© Daniel Workman
Feb 16, 2008
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Trompenaar's cultural dimensions model helps to identify cultures in which emotions are expressed openly as well as nations in which emotions are held in check.

Alfons Trompenaar based his studies on a questionnaire that the Center for International Business Studies (CIBS) in Amstelveen, The Netherlands administered to 15,000 managers from around the world. Managers were attending a series of over 500 seminars from 1986 to 1993 conducted by CIBS and affiliates.

Knowing whether a culture is emotional or neutral helps international trade consultants prepare for negotiations in different business regions around the world.
Most Emotional Cultures

Trompenaar’s analysis identified cultures in which emotions are expressed openly and naturally. People from the countries listed below can be observed smiling a great deal, talking loudly when excited, and greeting each other enthusiastically. As the list shows, Mexicans tend to be the most emotional people.

* Mexico
* Netherlands
* Switzerland
* China
* Brazil
* Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS*)
* Italy, Venezuela
* Spain.

*CIS = Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Ukraine.
Communication Styles in Emotional Countries

While not all emotional cultures share the same communication styles, there are some patterns.


The more emotional countries including Mexico, China, Brazil and Venezuela are known for an affective style of communication.

The affective style requires the listener to carefully note what is being said and to observe how the sender is presenting the message.

In the affective communication style:

* Meaning is perceived through non-verbal signals.
* The message receiver must use his intuition to be able to decode what is being communicated.

Most Neutral Countries

Trompenaar’s study also found that people from the following cultures tended to hold their emotions in check. Neutral cultures tend to not show their feelings in public, with Japan leading the list.

* Japan
* United Kingdom
* Singapore
* Australia
* Indonesia
* Hong Kong
* Belgium, Germany
* Sweden, Argentina, United States.

Communication Styles in Neutral Countries

The Japanese use an indirect style of verbal communication. That is, Japanese communicators tend to have both close personal relationships and large information networks. And since the Japanese don’t have to rely on language alone to communicate, their messages are implicit and indirect. Voice intonation, timing and facial expressions all play important roles in Japanese communication.

Other neutral countries like England and Germany apply an exacting style, where the focus is on precision and just the right amount of words to convey the message. Communicating with too many words is considered an exaggeration. Using too few words is perceived as ambiguous.

In the United States and Canada, people use the direct style of verbal communication. Communicators meet only to accomplish objectives, and often the parties at a meeting don’t know each other very well. Speakers are typically direct and focused.

That’s not to say that communicators from the U.S. and Canada are unfriendly. These countries as well as Australia also are known for the personal style of verbal communication which focuses on the speaker and reducing barriers with the audience. In the personal style, people use first names and address each other informally and directly on an equal basis.

That’s why administrative employees at a large North American insurance company call a senior executive by his first name - say, Bob. Rarely would this happen in Asia, where communication is more contextual with the focus on the speaker and the hierarchical roles of those in the conversation.
References

This article presents independent insights based on case study questions from International Management, Culture, Strategy and Behavior (6th edition, Hodgetts-Luthans-DOH).

Read more: http://regional-business-profiles.suite101...0IK4d19WI&C

Almost everyone is open to THEMSELVES and people of their gender dating out racially. i.e. Most guys are fine with dating someone who isn't their race. They're fine with other guys of their race dating out. But I would say about 90% of guys (most aren't vocal about it, and only 20% of the 90% would be the Nationalist, hateful nutjobs) aren't comfortable with girls of their race dating out, because they feel like it's a slight to them (i.e. fosters the "What's wrong with me/____ people?" sort of mentality). I've noticed that the same is the case with MOST girls, actually. Though they're even less vocal about it than guys. And they oppose it for the same reason guys tend to (feelings of rejection).

People usually argue that the family dynamics in terms of dating out are different among the races, but I would argue that they're not all that different. I can't speak for white people outside of the U.S., but most white parents in the U.S. would prefer their kids don't date black (more open to their son dating a black girl than their daughter dating a black guy), and they don't mind that much if their kids date another minority, but they would always prefer that their kid date white. Most black parents would prefer their kids don't date white, and don't mind that much if their kids date another minority, but tend to always prefer their kid date black. Most Asian parents I've known prefer their kid date another Asian (usually of their ethnicity), but are fine with general Asians, often ok with white, kind of neutral to not ok with Hispanics, and generally prefer they don't date black. Hispanics tend to prefer other Hispanics, but are ok with other races. There are some exceptions to those rules, but ordinarily that's how it works.

So I'd argue that there aren't that many differences. I've just noticed among Asian and black friends that their parents were more vocal about who they'd prefer them to date than white parents tend to be. White parents often face a sort of subconscious philosophical conflict between "I don't want them to date ____" and "they're an individual and they should be able to date who they want," and as a result of which they say nothing.

Thats just wrong look at Japan!

No I dont think white people are more or less open minded. It's all about upbringing and culture and how we are raised and what we learn in school and different governments we have etc.

People are people no matter where we are from, just different upbringings.

+1

Being open minded has little to do with race and everything to do with your education. To me, if you're not open minded, you're already lacking a very important fundamental understanding of thought itself.

What a silly thread.

Yes.

lol, yeah right. the anomaly of western civilization is that they produce certain people that improve life for everyone but the general populace is not indicative of those exceptional people. lol

it's easy and fraudulent to connect the two but it's like night and day. everyday people no matter what race seem to have the same level of ignorance or propensity toward it. period.

I'd agree along with the lines of thinking in Henry's post #9.

What "white" person are we talking about? Does he or she live in London or an impoverished and parochial area in Appalachia? What generation, socio-economic background, and "exposure" does the person come from.

White-America is huge and there is a lot more diversity of subcultures to be found among them then in say Black-America or Asian-America. But even with that said, the very elite in the United States are 99% white, and tend to marry within their socio-economic class if not among each other.

Take for example this excerpt below from Thomas Lippman's book Arabian Knight: Colonel Bill Eddy USMC and the Rise of American Power in the Middle East, copyright 2008, pages 33-34.


Oprah Winfrey is a billionaire - or if not close to it - but keep in mind she is essentially an entertainer and a product of new wealth (she lived in abject poverty in the U.S. South in a home with no electricity or running water, as children they "fetched" water from wells, and used outhouses to relieve themselves). It might be possible the CIA has or will tap her, but, she does not come from the invisible American aristocracy (that few Americans know exists) that has long history in intelligence (OSS/CIA et cetera) like the Bush family. The American aristocracy is not as likely to date someone of the "opposite race" as a middle-class, white woman in Minneapolis.







Very few Europeans or Americans have ever been college educated in scientific subjects or in philosophy of logic courses. Many White-Americans in the 1930's had no more then an 8th grade education. In fact, Darwin's book in the 1800's stirred so much controversy because the literacy rate was so much better then it had ever been before in Protestant nations (Catholic nations of course also, but it sparked less panic because Catholics did not take the Bible as literal as Protestants, nor was the Bible their sole authority).

Scientific and rational discourse has traditionally been the domain of the elite in the West. It remains so today actually. Most Americans have little to no education in the sciences, but many parrot scientific "truths" from popular magazine articles and newspapers.

The only problem with that article is that it's written to present a specific impression.

5.2 million American would equal roughly 1.7% of the U.S. population. However, that would be unimpressive, so, printing "5 percent of the minority population" creates a more impressive image.

it depends on the person and how they were raised but i find that in general white people are
much more narrow minded because their way of life and thought pattern is mainstream and dominant in america so they
tend to be less willing and less able to think outside of the box whereas other groups already have to
balance multicultural lives and are therefore easily able to see the picture from a different angle

i am at awe at so dumbfounded most afers are on here with. to that guy that said, ofcourse white people are more open minded then other people cause they believe less in superstition and have a longer history of scientific reason. thats bologna. i think he forgot when china was the most advance and already had reason even while westerners were going through the dark ages in the first half of the previous millenium. those were times of major superstition. i'm sorry, but didnt u forget about the plague. also, this whole concept of white people creating science and mathematics. nope, it came from the ancient worlds. everyone has had a hand on history and what it has become. gee, let me guess, when the mongols conquered europe and brought all the riches from china to europe while europe was in the dark ages. passing on ideas about modern military strategy and a modern way of running an economy cause paper money did come from china. i think the west had a blessing in disguise in terms of a humanity standpoint. western europe was constantly bombarded by southern (romans), southeast eastern (persians and arabics), and eastern (mongols) superiority that actually having access to china gave them a new light on how to strategize to win. european exploration started right after the end of mongol expansion throughout the old world because they have the compass now and gunpowder to dismantle rival tribes with bows and arrows. then in seventeenth century came the renaissance when after all this traveling, they were able to see the world which china had explored centuries before. the only difference is china decided to close its borders off, probably because they felt like they had more to offer to the world then the world could offer back. where as the west felt like it was their turn to shine and became very hungry for wealth which blinded them to see what they were doing to humanity. the west needed resources to quietly build their empire in europe. mathematics, research, developement, resources, all equates to money. that is the source of capitalism. technology, research, and investment. the most advance societies will usually be the wealthiest. thats why china or any other ancient empire became powerful because they were first world in terms of standard of living at that time. u think we have it good, imagine two hundred years from now, people then will look back at us and possibly could see us as primitive.

i hope u guys get my point. i think western europe had everything they needed for them to create that drive to excel. its like when u are sitting on the sideline, u can see how everyone is playing so when its your turn, u can create a strategy to defeat them because u know their weakness because they've already shown themselves when their culture spreaded to u. western europe was influenced by romans who gave them the scientific foundation and idea of proper governence. mongols not attacking western europe gave them the second chance to rally up and try to overcome this new power from the far east which brought these gadgets (primitive in today's standpoint but revolutionary at their time) and packaged goods to europe, opening their eyes to a new way of living. those wars with the more advance at the time middle east did nothing but bring western europe closer together to when all the chess players were in place, they made their move.

this quote tells it all, napoleon, once of france's great generals said after his vist to china "that is a sleeping dragon, let them sleep, cause if they wake, the world will shake ."

i have nothing against anyone. just want to give people an idea how i see history.

the mother of modern western society is the english.

^ Yeah, but don't forget the Dark Ages were a step back, before that it was Greece and Rome. And even during the Dark Ages, the East Roman Empire and the Church kept culture alive.

I think when they say white people are more open-minded all it means is their parents are more likely to accept them dating other races. Also, American culture is supposed to value open-mindedness toward other cultures - but it's hard to do that when you don't know anything about other cultures!

Despite leading the world in electronics and IT, culturally Indians are very backward. I would suggest avoiding Indian girls for this reason, or at the very least f*ck and forget.

However, cross dating when the other party is an Indian male, no probs.