I read the first couple pages of this thread. Typical elitistism from chinese.

It's really funny actually.

SEAs Deviated from the Chinese/han Population only 5000 to 6000 years ago. Their isolation on the island of Taiwan and on the southern tip of the South East Asia caused them to have different "look" in a short amount of time because vastly different climate.

Northern Asians and Southern Asians (Chinese/SEA) seperated from each other almost 70,000 years ago from what i understand. Many people speculate that North Asians only look similar to southern Asians because of similar Adaptions to the cold environments in the Asian steppes (SEA's lost many of these Adaptions as they enter tropical Asia).

I wouldn't mind chinese if they weren't so rude.

But i have to admit, that the Vast majority of Asians Especially in SEA only hate chinese because of their success. It's just like the Jews in Germany.

If you look at history, It was the SEAs that committed the vast genocides agianst the Chinese. The Chinese never really retaliated or try to exterminate any SEAs. Who tried to conquer SEA and kill SEAs? Japan. They along with Mongols are the true Aggressor nations of the Eastern world.

Ah, the old "Chinese are the victims" arguement, as always. Tired of debating against that (as those who claim that are always ignorant.) so it's not worth it.

I have a question, we all know that a lot of Mongols are somewhat "ambitious" of restoring the lost territory known as Inner Mongolia from China. But do they in general, have any plan to reclaim the lost territories around the vincinity of Lake Bailkal and the so called Tuva/Buryat republic from their overlord kremlin AKA the Russians?

The Japanese, since the rise of ultra-nationalism, have almost always held themselves to be superior to other Asians. This is something that permeates their society, though for the sake of politeness most Japanese would not mention it if you're not Japanese.

By contrast, Chinese arrogance is limited to a portion of the elite. The vast majority of Chinese hold few illusions about being superior, since they can barely support themselves. Even the sort of talk that gets thrown around is different. When's the last time a Japanese politician said that his country was a poor, developing country that needs more time to modernize? Chinese politicians say it all the time.

Ah, but Chinese are victims - it's just that we're also victimizers. Of course, anyone with half a brain could figure out that the two (Chinese victims and Chinese victimizers) are seldom the same group of people, but that's never stopped people from painting others with a broad brush!

Yes and we've been both as well, so don't hold us on a different platform than yourself. I know what my ancestors did but I know that isn't me, I haven't harmed, nor do I wish to harm a chinese but it seems chinese wish to have harm done to me.

Trust me this once: I don't.



History is a tragedy played for fools; we all cry, but no one ever learns.

Your time frames are totally mixed up.

Ancient times to early 1900:
Japan looked up to China, Culture, writing, Agriculture, Ideology come from China and Korea. China gets much recognition, but Korea unfortunately doesn't.

1800 - End WW2:
Japan loses respect for China because China allowed England to Humiliate her. Butt F_ck her to be precise.

After WW2 - Bubble Burst:
after war Japan hears a lot of b!tching by other Asian Nations on how evil Japan was. They forgot before the war they were slaves to white people. At this time Japan really does look down on most Asians. b!tching at Japan but never having the guts to b!tch at the powerful white man. All the while, not doing a thing to raise their respective Nations out of the gutter.

After Bubble - now:
Japan no longer looks down on anyone anymore. Conceit is a dangerous lie. She spends all her time looking up to America. The Japanese are trying to emulate Americans. They are all Blond haired in Japan now.

Japan has always respected Mongolia. Don't use us in your arguments with the Mongolians.

I would think that as a self-proclaimed Japanese, you would know more about your own country, but sadly, that does not seem to be the case.

Japanese arrogance in the moderan era is well-documented. You must understand that I do not make this judgment lightly, but I am too well-versed with your culture, your politics, and your history to pretend otherwise. Since the late 19th century, and really even before that, Japan has never truly believed that other Asian nations are its equal. But you are free to prove me wrong, if you desire, with evidence. I have plenty - documents from your leaders, intellectuals, writers. Anecdotes from your common citizens. Behaviors from your nationalists. Ideas from your popular media. All of which emphasize the superiority of Japanese people.

The only reason you respected Mongolians is because of what they represented to you - a dominant, conquering people; the master race of Asia. Your wartime leaders thought of themselves as such..

But don't get me wrong - you are not the most arrogant people in the world. That honor goes to Americans, ultimately.

Yeah, but I get tired of having the 1200's shoved down my throat as if I had a choice in anything.

To bear a part of the glory, you must also bear a part of the shame. Genghis Khan is a national hero, correct? So is Mao.

In my eyes, all men are born innocent. But some choose to inherit their ancestors' burdens. I will never shove the 1200s down a Mongolian's throat who does not want to possess it, but if people are going to worship Genghis Khan, then they must be ready to take up the association.

Speaking of Mao, I wonder if somehow in the future of which Communism in China collapse. Will Mao Zedong continue to be seen as a national hero? Or will he be view by posterity as an "Adolf Stalin"?

I'm sure you can quote a lot of Nationalistic nuts. There's currently a popular book in Japan that says Jews come from Aliens, are you ganna quote him too? The book is popular because the people want to read what the FREAK has to say - no one but right wing nuts takes him seriously.

You don't know us beyond what you have read. actually modern Japanese like all Asians including Chinese and Koreans.

Yes, we do respect Mongolians for their fighting courage. What you don't understand is that its not the vast conquest of Mongolia that impresses us, its that they keep bravely fighting no matter what - to the end. We Japanese fight to the death also, We see and understand. We respect.

I don't have to quote "nationalistic nuts." I can quote Tokyo's mayor. I can quote your prime minister. I can quote your professors, writers, and artists. The real question is - who can't I quote?

You can sugarcoat it however you want, but the fact of the matter is, Japanese are arrogant. Hell, you are arrogant - you just don't think you are because what you say seem, to you, self-evident truths. Let me quote you:

"after war Japan hears a lot of b!tching by other Asian Nations on how evil Japan was. They forgot before the war they were slaves to white people. At this time Japan really does look down on most Asians. b!tching at Japan but never having the guts to b!tch at the powerful white man. All the while, not doing a thing to raise their respective Nations out of the gutter."

Translation: Japanese, unlike other Asians, are not slaves to white people, and it's stupid for them to call Japan evil when Japan, by colonizing them, might have contributed to their liberation. Japanese raised their nation out of the gutter, all the while other Asians did nothing but b!tch, but don't have the courage (like Japanese) to b!tch at white people.

"Yes, we do respect Mongolians for their fighting courage. What you don't understand is that its not the vast conquest of Mongolia that impresses us, its that they keep bravely fighting no matter what - to the end. We Japanese fight to the death also, We see and understand. We respect."

Translation: We Japanese are courageous warriors who always fight to the death. This is despite the fact that we surrendered to the same white people we accuse other Asians of not daring to b!tch at, and let them take over our country, write our constitution, and whitewash our culture.

Look, I don't want to belittle Japanese, but who are you trying to kid? This is the sort of Japanese arrogance I'm talking about - it's implied more than it is stated, but it's there, and people who are not blinded by Japanese politeness can easily see it.

I was talking about the DIFFERENT ERAs and THEIR ATTITUDES. I personally have no gripes with Chinese or Koreans - only trolls. If I say the vast majority of Japanese citizens don't hate the Chinese. And you want to quote a Mayer or Professor to counter me than go ahead.

when President Bush stood up and said some of the lame things he did, do you think he reflected the thoughts of the vast majority of Americans?


Anyway this is M chat, stand on your own two feet and leave us out of it. If you can't argue on your own merits then you shouldn't even be here.

I would say both of you are right to some degree in different situations and among the multitude cases of different people.

Neighbours always tend to dislike each other. That's quite usual I quess. For example, Polish and Russians dislike each other in spite of the fact that Soviet had liberated Poland during the WWII. Whereas, Germans and Russians today have few grudges against each other despite the fact that they fought numerous wars against each other since 18th century with tens of millions killed on each side.
The same is true for Japanese and Mongolians. Japanese invaded Mongolia in 1939 and fought fiercely. but few in Mongolia and Japan perceive each other as a former or future enemy.

That's not always the case. America and Canada is like best friend forever. Britain and Ireland have reconciled their differences and are now at longlasting peace. The German and French used to hate each other (pretty much like Japan and Korea) but now they are friend and have obviously move on from the bitter past. Portugal and Spain are closely good brother. Japan and Taiwan have this little love connection. Singapore and Malaysia's bilateral exchange is on good term, better than most relationships of Southeast Asian nations. Singapore has a high commission in Kuala Lumpur, and Malaysia has a high commission in Singapore. The People's Republic of China's influence is "warming" in Burma and North Korea. Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and Finland is one big family. Switzerland is like Ned Flanders from the Simpsons who love his neighbors very dearly. And who could forget, Russia and Mongolia is basically one country. =p

I think the real source of hatred have to do something with political reason and not geography.

Hatred and arrogance are two different things. I never said Japanese are hateful. I said Japanese are arrogant.



As you please.

In response to China’s first successful launch of a man in space: “The Chinese are ignorant, so they are overjoyed. That spacecraft was an outdated one. If Japan wanted to do it, we could do it in one year.” - Shintaro Ishihara, Mayor of Tokyo

"[Japan has] one nation, one civilization, one language, one culture, and one race, the like of which there is no other on this earth." - Taro Aso, Japanese Prime Minister



Bush was democratically elected, twice, so in some sense, yes. But we don't need to look at your politicians, alone:

http://pewglobal.org/reports/display.php?ReportID=255

"Both the Japanese and Chinese are extremely proud of their distinctive cultures. Large and growing majorities in both countries agree with the statement "Our people are not perfect, but our culture is superior to others." In Japan, 83% agree with this sentiment, up from 73% in 2002. Three-in-four Chinese (75%) say they agree, up from 66% four years ago."

So, while Chinese are admittedly pretty arrogant, you guys take the cake.



Learn to read context. The accusation was that Chinese are too arrogant, whereas S. Koreans and Japanese are not. I found that laughable, and the best way to argue against it is to bring up just how arrogant the others are.

Of course there are exceptions. But it's definitely true in our part of the world - North and East Asia, and Central Asia - neighbours dislike each other for many reasons.

Context was different.

Hasn't always been the case.

Japan wasn't on anyone's radar except Korea's (due to the Imjin War) until it invaded all of East Asia - that's when dislike of Japan began.

Joseon Korea (nearly the last 700 hundred years of Korean history) was a close ally of China's. Relations were friendly until the Qing conquest of China, and was tolerable even after that.

There are only two rivalries that have lasted throughout history: that between Mongolia and China, due to fundamental lifestyle differences, and that between China and Vietnam, due to Chinese imperialism.

All the other dislikes have been relatively recent.

I think the implication was clear.

So I derive that basic argument is true. As relations began to intensify between neighbors conflicts arise frequently thus making ground for future rivalries.
Therefore, I make a conclusion that relations bw China and Korean peninsula eventually will go worth for some reasons.

No. Don't forget that originallly topic was about Sino-Mongol relations. In the eyes of Mongolians Chinese and Japanese-Koreans look different, and mutual realations are different. You may see that from the other topics.

Anyway, I would like to say that I am not from Mongolia but from Russia, with Buryat-Mongol ethnic background. My personal view Chinese people are as ordinary as any other people on this earth. I don't have any bad feelings or presumptions against China and its people. I think we can cooperate and do business together as well.

Right, but in your original post, you made a specific point about Chinese arrogance being the problem, and part of the reason for why Chinese culture hasn't made as much inroad as Japan & S. Korea. My response is that only in Mongolia are Chinese considered more arrogant than Japanese. Thehorsemen responded by saying that no, it's the entire world that thinks so, implying that Chinese are, in fact, more arrogant than Japanese. That's how the debate started.

Speaking of arrogancy... During the Imjin War, supreme warlord Toyotomi Hideyoshi led the newly unified Japan into the first invasion (1592-1593) with the professed goal of conquering Korea, the Jurchens, Ming Dynasty China, India, and maybe even possibly the Ryukyus, Luzon, Taiwan. 0.0;

It is said that Hideyoshi planned for an invasion of China to fulfill the dreams of his late leader Oda Nobunaga. While there are rumors that Hideyoshi could have been a Chinese who fled to Japan from the law, and therefore sought revenge against China.

off topic

Japan is friend of Mongolia today,

Good view Anda, it's a pity so many Chinese trolls online are giving their people a bad name. Something my daughter, who will be 1/4 Chinese, will have to cope with.

You're empty head.You will never get fully understanding of real Mongolia.

Coping with the fact that she is 1/4 Chinese? Why? What is wrong? 0.0;

Go to the india thread.

The girl will say I'm a Mongolian to Chinese.Chinese will say there is no Mongolia.
The girl will say I'm Chinese to the Mongolians,but Mongols would say never heard of such thing.
The problem is Chinese and Mongolians never mixes their blood.

Quick question, why do you have the North Korean flag in your signature if you are a Mongol Nationalist?

Thats what I was thinking.

My grandfather was Korean.He's came from North Korea.Why not ? Don't you like it ?

You're not mongolian then.

ROFL! Let's all give him his own f--king medicine!

This is an awkward moment.

^ It will be for many I'm afraid, I don't think many will understand.

But yes, I aim to bridge differences between Mongols and Chinese, to bring friendship and understanding. I have a baby girl due soon, and anyone who judges her BEFORE SHE IS BORN - is not a human being to me.

I don't need a Chinese aspirin.


Koreans are different story in Mongolia.NK and Mongolia had good relation during the communist time,and we still have it.


Mongolians never eat baby.How about Chinese ? I'm not sure about it.

That's an insensitive racial slur. I wonder where the western world received the idea that "Chinese people eat babies"?

No, North Koreans are friends of China, china wishes to wipe us out, you're not mongolian.

It was the real facts shown by normal Chinese people who eats babies,omg. I saw those ugly photos.

That's what I was think as well. XD

And abut the pictures, could you show them to me? I've always been curious about this topic/

I understand it's your second account Subo. Don't worry my dear.

Feeling too lazy.I forgot it ,but i saw it somewhere.
NK has no friends,you stupid moron.

lol I'm big monkey, soontobedaddy is subo, wow you really are misinformed, Kim Jong Il.

Yet YOU, LyingPig, hate my daughter before she is even born.

You are the same as them. YOU, both Mongol and Chinese hate. Your behaviour is inhuman.